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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad?
"Are there more do you think? I don't interact too much with the blokes on here (except in the forums), so can't judge very well. Or have you just been unlucky recently?! I guess there is always going to be a tosser quota in society, and therefore on here. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad?
Are there more do you think? I don't interact too much with the blokes on here (except in the forums), so can't judge very well.
Or have you just been unlucky recently?!
I guess there is always going to be a tosser quota in society, and therefore on here."I'm only commenting on those posting on the forums really, that kind would never manage to get a pm reply out of me, I would delete on sight!! | |||
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"every time Fab's is mentioned in the media, there is an influx of males thinking it is instashag" I think that might be it. Also this manosphere or whatever it's called promoting a really unhealthy attitude. | |||
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"every time Fab's is mentioned in the media, there is an influx of males thinking it is instashag I think that might be it. Also this manosphere or whatever it's called promoting a really unhealthy attitude." It's also been quite a while since there has been a progressive "liberal" government. The backsliding has accelerated over the last couple of years. I think the reaction to that is coming. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "It’s men and there big egos sadly. Luckily I don’t have a big ego so I shouldn’t stand out like a twat. Happy for you to say if I look that way but sometimes people can’t see the wood through the trees | |||
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"every time Fab's is mentioned in the media, there is an influx of males thinking it is instashag I think that might be it. Also this manosphere or whatever it's called promoting a really unhealthy attitude. It's also been quite a while since there has been a progressive "liberal" government. The backsliding has accelerated over the last couple of years. I think the reaction to that is coming. " Absolutely! The right wing uprising is certainly simmering and about to get to boiling point in a number of areas of life | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "I've been here eight years and can honestly say I've been writing "entitled" "alarming" etc to describe the men on site. I only meet single men. I have nothing but admiration for the single men I've met over the years, but the attitudes of some men are quite scary...and I'm not easily intimidated. This is a site for like minded people to meet for sex. I struggle to understand why the sense of entitlement if someone doesn't want to fuck you. No one has to give a reason: their body so get over it. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "I have noticed this of late and when if you say "no thanks" u get why its just sex | |||
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" Are people simply less happy these days? " I think you may have a valid point there. | |||
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"Certaintly the 'war of the sexes' seems to be reaching boiling point of late, an awful lot that was hidden seems to be being brought to the surface lately. Maybe this is part of that 'zeitgeist', maybe it is better for things to be revealed, including personal attitudes." I really think it's no worse or better. It's almost like an ebb and flow that mimics the tide on here. Sometimes people take more note or else the ignorant folk aren't as vocal. Either way, it certainly isn't pleasant. I just seem to see unpleasantbess displayed across all genders at the moment. Certainly not on the whole, but where it happens I notice it more right now. | |||
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" Are people simply less happy these days? I think you may have a valid point there. " actually a good point | |||
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"Same as it ever was, if you're looking for something you'll find it..." You don't have to be looking for it to see it on these forums. | |||
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"Certaintly the 'war of the sexes' seems to be reaching boiling point of late, an awful lot that was hidden seems to be being brought to the surface lately. Maybe this is part of that 'zeitgeist', maybe it is better for things to be revealed, including personal attitudes." Not just sexism. Rise in racism too. I'm first generation Windrush and have experienced more racism over the last couple of years than during my childhood in the 60s. | |||
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"Same as it ever was, if you're looking for something you'll find it..." We're not talking confirmation bias here. Can you really not see it? | |||
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"Same as it ever was, if you're looking for something you'll find it... You don't have to be looking for it to see it on these forums. " Obviously some have a very blinkered view because it's obvious to me too. | |||
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"Same as it ever was, if you're looking for something you'll find it... You don't have to be looking for it to see it on these forums. Obviously some have a very blinkered view because it's obvious to me too." some assume coming on here will be easy pickings and get a meet without no effort and many times they fail In my opinion expect nothing anything else is a bonus | |||
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"I firmly believe that men are feeling threatened and intimated of late. With the fairer sex (no patronisation or condescension implied) taking more dominant roles in both their personal lives and careers as well as pedestalled in the media and through 'empowered' public roles, I firmly believe the 'attack is the best defence' role is being implemented sub wittingly by many guys. Their historic dominance is now jaded and they are on a slight back foot and I think they are desperately using any means necessary to try to regain superiority. Bit deep perhaps, not agreeable by many perhaps.. But it's an opinion and it's mine. " Heard this argument before, from my other half (white, straight, middle class). The playing field is being levelled and white, straight, middle class men have competition and can't handle it. Oh well diddums! | |||
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"I firmly believe that men are feeling threatened and intimated of late. With the fairer sex (no patronisation or condescension implied) taking more dominant roles in both their personal lives and careers as well as pedestalled in the media and through 'empowered' public roles, I firmly believe the 'attack is the best defence' role is being implemented sub wittingly by many guys. Their historic dominance is now jaded and they are on a slight back foot and I think they are desperately using any means necessary to try to regain superiority. Bit deep perhaps, not agreeable by many perhaps.. But it's an opinion and it's mine. " Yes, there are always deeper issues behind the flotsam on the surface, I can 'feel' it bubbling but it sometimes takes time or lengthy pondering to become clear. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "Because it is right....... Please note I didn't mean that, he made me say it honestly miss it was him it was.  | |||
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" Swinging is more than just sex. It's a lifestyle choice. " try explaining that to some people | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad?
Are there more do you think? I don't interact too much with the blokes on here (except in the forums), so can't judge very well.
Or have you just been unlucky recently?!
I guess there is always going to be a tosser quota in society, and therefore on here.
I'm only commenting on those posting on the forums really, that kind would never manage to get a pm reply out of me, I would delete on sight!!"There are certainly plenty who confuse the meanings of “time waster” and “somebody who doesn’t fancy me”. Also guys who think that you don’t need to fancy somebody because you only want sex. Yuck. I told a friend from outside this world we were on here and he said “so your wife WILL DO...” as though swinging is akin to prostitution. We had a difference of opinion which soured the atmosphere I can tell you. So you’re probably right. | |||
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"There's been a few recently, hopefully it's just a phase and they piss off as fast as they turn up. " Have to agree here theres always been one or two saddos but they do seem to get the message ....probably after everyone blocks them lol thankfully they will never out number all you lovely fabbers  | |||
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" Swinging is more than just sex. It's a lifestyle choice. try explaining that to some people " Do you find that some just “get it” immediately and other start sounding like an outraged nineteenth century preacher? | |||
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"There's been a few recently, hopefully it's just a phase and they piss off as fast as they turn up. Have to agree here theres always been one or two saddos but they do seem to get the message ....probably after everyone blocks them lol thankfully they will never out number all you lovely fabbers "But blocking people doesn't do anything. There is nothing stopping them from doing it all over again on a new account. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "It’s like having an extra filter without even having to turn it on... literally or otherwise. | |||
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" Swinging is more than just sex. It's a lifestyle choice. try explaining that to some people Do you find that some just “get it” immediately and other start sounding like an outraged nineteenth century preacher?" No as people who assume this is a sex site i dont bother with or trying to reason with them the same about a sex club and swing club (another conversation some people dont get) | |||
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" Swinging is more than just sex. It's a lifestyle choice. try explaining that to some people Do you find that some just “get it” immediately and other start sounding like an outraged nineteenth century preacher? No as people who assume this is a sex site i dont bother with or trying to reason with them the same about a sex club and swing club (another conversation some people dont get)" I think you’re right not to try reasoning with those who are against it. Good advice. | |||
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"Same as it ever was, if you're looking for something you'll find it... You don't have to be looking for it to see it on these forums. Obviously some have a very blinkered view because it's obvious to me too." Maybe they don't see it because they don't want to. Or, they might not be looking at the same threads as us. | |||
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"Unfortunately some people are just narrow minded and can’t see beyond themselves, I have been on here over a year, have met 1 person and had an enjoyable time, people rarely speak to me as I am a “single male” but I don’t get arsey about it or pushy, if people are interested they will let me know, it is just a shame I often get tarnished with the same brush as the narrow minded illiterate and uneducated that often swamp this site "If you're not illiterate, uneducated or narrow-minded you will stand out; if you present yourself well. | |||
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"Unfortunately some people are just narrow minded and can’t see beyond themselves, I have been on here over a year, have met 1 person and had an enjoyable time, people rarely speak to me as I am a “single male” but I don’t get arsey about it or pushy, if people are interested they will let me know, it is just a shame I often get tarnished with the same brush as the narrow minded illiterate and un-educated that often swamp this site "I was nodding in agreement right up until the tarnished with the same brush bit - in my experience if you're respectful, genuine, have your expectations set right and don't make a fuss then that all shines through and the actions of others has no impact in the slightest. The only people others spoil it for is themselves | |||
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"Same as it ever was, if you're looking for something you'll find it... We're not talking confirmation bias here. Can you really not see it?" For sure. I see what I have always seen, if anything less now. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "Totally agree with you! A guy on here asked if I was on the time of the month! No wonder I’m no longer meeting new people! | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of." Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about?? | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of. Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about??" I explain it quite clearly. It's not heavy reading. | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of." I do think there is something to this. I think there is a backlash in society about these sorts of things, as you describe. I don't think it's justified, but I think it's happening. I can see it in the way people talk casually these days. It worries me. | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of. Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about?? I explain it quite clearly. It's not heavy reading. " You don't explain where the before and after line was in regard to racial tension. You don't explain what media outlets rant about white men being evil. | |||
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"Unfortunately some people are just narrow minded and can’t see beyond themselves, I have been on here over a year, have met 1 person and had an enjoyable time, people rarely speak to me as I am a “single male” but I don’t get arsey about it or pushy, if people are interested they will let me know, it is just a shame I often get tarnished with the same brush as the narrow minded illiterate and un-educated that often swamp this site "agree, and i’ll say it again, sexual frustration plays a big part, a lot of people think the ste is a free pass to shag whatever they want and it will be served to them with no questions asked, the reality is, this is a swingers website, and unless you understand the swinging lifestyle, you’re always going to be frustrated. | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of. Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about?? I explain it quite clearly. It's not heavy reading. You don't explain where the before and after line was in regard to racial tension. You don't explain what media outlets rant about white men being evil. " If you haven't noticed a rise in racial tension and tension between the sexes occur in the last 5 years that has directly correlated with the media pushing an anti-white male agenda, then I have no idea where you have been, what papers you read or what news channels you watch, I therefore can't help you. | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of. Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about?? I explain it quite clearly. It's not heavy reading. You don't explain where the before and after line was in regard to racial tension. You don't explain what media outlets rant about white men being evil. If you haven't noticed a rise in racial tension and tension between the sexes occur in the last 5 years that has directly correlated with the media pushing an anti-white male agenda, then I have no idea where you have been, what papers you read or what news channels you watch, I therefore can't help you." I don't think that promoting racial and gender equality equals pushing an anti-white male agenda. I think it's being perceived that way because of how unrelenting the focus has been, but I don't think such an agenda exists. But I still think the perception of it is a problem in society. One we need to address fairly. | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of. Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about?? I explain it quite clearly. It's not heavy reading. You don't explain where the before and after line was in regard to racial tension. You don't explain what media outlets rant about white men being evil. If you haven't noticed a rise in racial tension and tension between the sexes occur in the last 5 years that has directly correlated with the media pushing an anti-white male agenda, then I have no idea where you have been, what papers you read or what news channels you watch, I therefore can't help you." I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? | |||
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" I don't think that promoting racial and gender equality equals pushing an anti-white male agenda. I think it's being perceived that way because of how unrelenting the focus has been, but I don't think such an agenda exists. But I still think the perception of it is a problem in society. One we need to address fairly." But huge amounts of progress were being made, if you asked any black person or homosexual in the late noughties, who were alive in the 70's/80's, I'm pretty sure they would have agreed things had gotten a lot better. The same goes for women with regards to male attitudes towards them, etc... Then at some point within the last few years, it became less about helping minorities and women and more about demonizing white, hetero men, resulting in those men feeling attacked and lashing out in response, hence Trump, Brexit, a huge rise in racial tensions in the US and both left and right being pushed further towards the extremes of their respective ideology. It has all become quite poisonous and nasty, since the media started aggressively race/gender baiting. | |||
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" Swinging is more than just sex. It's a lifestyle choice. try explaining that to some people Do you find that some just “get it” immediately and other start sounding like an outraged nineteenth century preacher? No as people who assume this is a sex site i dont bother with or trying to reason with them the same about a sex club and swing club (another conversation some people dont get) I think you’re right not to try reasoning with those who are against it. Good advice." i manage enough men at work i dont really want to start managing on here too LOL | |||
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on?" I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? I "Which one are we talking about exactly as there's a few around at the mo?!  | |||
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Definitely more of the twats about these days...just makes the good guys easier to spot tho.
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week." Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets? | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? I
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets?" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/pelosi-white-guys-daca-hamburger-stand-336541 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/technology/james-damore-google-lawsuit/index.html We'll leave it at £30 as I can't be bothered to keep copying links. I'll message you MY account details. | |||
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/pelosi-white-guys-daca-hamburger-stand-336541 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/technology/james-damore-google-lawsuit/index.html We'll leave it at £30 as I can't be bothered to keep copying links. I'll message you MY account details. " You obviously didn't read any of the articles as none of them rants 'about how white men were evil'. So, in fact, you owe me £30 but should say I strongly suspect you are a shyster on the balance of probability. | |||
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/pelosi-white-guys-daca-hamburger-stand-336541 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/technology/james-damore-google-lawsuit/index.html We'll leave it at £30 as I can't be bothered to keep copying links. I'll message you MY account details. You obviously didn't read any of the articles as none of them rants 'about how white men were evil'. So, in fact, you owe me £30 but should say I strongly suspect you are a shyster on the balance of probability." Oh right, you want the exact quote "White men are evil" - I would've thought it was obvious, even to someone with a single digit IQ that I was talking about general anti white male sentiment. | |||
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/pelosi-white-guys-daca-hamburger-stand-336541 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/technology/james-damore-google-lawsuit/index.html We'll leave it at £30 as I can't be bothered to keep copying links. I'll message you MY account details. You obviously didn't read any of the articles as none of them rants 'about how white men were evil'. So, in fact, you owe me £30 but should say I strongly suspect you are a shyster on the balance of probability. Oh right, you want the exact quote "White men are evil" - I would've thought it was obvious, even to someone with a single digit IQ that I was talking about general anti white male sentiment." Your extraordinary mind shames the rest of us. | |||
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"See, the problem is an age old one. Guys (not all), don't understand the concept of what swinging is.. Nor do a lot of women or couples as it happens. It's assumed that because people want to enjoy sexual activities with other people outside of their respective 'normal' or 'marital' beds, then everyone they meet is up for it and must open their legs, drop their boxers accordingly without so much as hello. Swinging is being sidelined for what seems tantamount to free prostitution as of late and there is little being done to help differentiate. " | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "No, haven't gone anywhere. Still here lol. Did you mean me?  | |||
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/pelosi-white-guys-daca-hamburger-stand-336541 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/technology/james-damore-google-lawsuit/index.html We'll leave it at £30 as I can't be bothered to keep copying links. I'll message you MY account details. " I read the articles and interesting as they were, they didn’t really have a strong anti white men message in any of them. | |||
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" I've been here. You said before 'every' media outlet. Are you unable to explain the points I sought clarification on? I can only assume you're feigning ignorance because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. If you genuinely have been completely oblivious to the news recently, rather than me posting thousands of links, I'll say type "White men" in to the news tab on Google or look at Twitter Moments/Trends any day of the week. Ok, I'll call you. Earlier in the thread you said 'every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were'. How's about I give you a tenner for every example of this you find across all of the media outlets available and you give me a tenner if you can't find an example across all of the media outlets? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/pelosi-white-guys-daca-hamburger-stand-336541 http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/technology/james-damore-google-lawsuit/index.html We'll leave it at £30 as I can't be bothered to keep copying links. I'll message you MY account details. I read the articles and interesting as they were, they didn’t really have a strong anti white men message in any of them." It will be an IQ issue Miss... | |||
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""You mean women demanding CEO roles without earning them, complaining about how men sit on chairs, ranting about how explaining things is "sexist" and marching the streets naked, screaming anti-male slogans with their tits hanging out, has a negative effect on men's attitudes towards women?? Don't be absurd!!" "Women shouldn't have to make these complaints or demands. I can't comment on the CEO roles as I know nothing of it. | |||
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"I haven't read all the posts so sorry if I repeat what's already been said. Many of them come here looking for a quick, easy shag, and then come over all butt hurt when they can't get one. "That is true, but the impression I get is that simply causes a lack of inhibition and then 'out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks...', in other words their underlying attitude simply becomes verbalised. | |||
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"I think a lot of men (me included) are becoming more "misogynistic" due to the 24/7 media bombardment of women slagging off men whilst simultaneously demanding favours/help from them. It's the same with racial tension - there was very little until every media outlet started ranting on about how evil white men were. It creates an attitude of "call me a dog and I'll start barking", which results in pushing middle of the roaders further towards the extremes, creating the very thing that they say they are afraid of. Going off-topic with the 'racial tension' point but what the hell are you talking about?? I explain it quite clearly. It's not heavy reading. You don't explain where the before and after line was in regard to racial tension. You don't explain what media outlets rant about white men being evil. If you haven't noticed a rise in racial tension and tension between the sexes occur in the last 5 years that has directly correlated with the media pushing an anti-white male agenda, then I have no idea where you have been, what papers you read or what news channels you watch, I therefore can't help you." To be fair, if he's got any sense, he won't read or watch the MSM.. It's controlled and manipulated media designed to instill fear, hatred, racial tension, sexism, inequality.. It's divide and conquer strategy which is exactly what our zionist government and the NWO is based on. But that's my opinion, off topic and irrelevant to this post so I'll just leave it there and move on.. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "Mordor | |||
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"So, men have been getting a taste of their own medicine and don't like it. " I haven't seen any 'white men are evil' propaganda. I do agree that in some ways the feminist movement went too far and started ridiculing and despising men, which I have always spoken out against - like for instance some television adverts portraying the men of the house as bumbling fools while the 'supermum' wife got everything sorted. I have always thought men need to be allowed to be men and have their strengths lauded the same as women should be admired for their innate qualities. Maybe it is indeed a reaction in part to the feminist movement. But I have to admit, with all the revelations of systemic, institutionalised sexual abuse of women that have come out lately I have never been closer to taking up that cause, I honestly didn't realise so much was being suppressed, in my industry I saw nothing but equality and respect. There's nothing wrong with authority or even power if that authority is respectful and benevolent. Those with power are supposed to protect those without it, whichever sex they happen to be. Maybe one day people can accept that society just isn't working right yet, and that we both love and need the opposite sex and need to find a way to work together. I hate all this adversorial shit. | |||
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"So, men have been getting a taste of their own medicine and don't like it. I haven't seen any 'white men are evil' propaganda. I do agree that in some ways the feminist movement went too far and started ridiculing and despising men, which I have always spoken out against - like for instance some television adverts portraying the men of the house as bumbling fools while the 'supermum' wife got everything sorted. I have always thought men need to be allowed to be men and have their strengths lauded the same as women should be admired for their innate qualities. Maybe it is indeed a reaction in part to the feminist movement. But I have to admit, with all the revelations of systemic, institutionalised sexual abuse of women that have come out lately I have never been closer to taking up that cause, I honestly didn't realise so much was being suppressed, in my industry I saw nothing but equality and respect. There's nothing wrong with authority or even power if that authority is respectful and benevolent. Those with power are supposed to protect those without it, whichever sex they happen to be. Maybe one day people can accept that society just isn't working right yet, and that we both love and need the opposite sex and need to find a way to work together. I hate all this adversorial shit.
"My industry (IT) is absolutely awful. I believe it starts from quite early, with "computing" having always being perceived as boys stuff. Even on the leisure side of the industry, girls playing video games is only just becoming more common. Uni then manages to push more women out. Until all That's left are socially inadequate blokes, that barely know how to communicate with anyone, let alone a female. There may be some generalisations and sweeping statements above! But as an example, in our EMEA sales engineering team. Out of 12 people, there is only one female (and to be honest she is better than most of us). | |||
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"My industry (IT) is absolutely awful. I believe it starts from quite early, with "computing" having always being perceived as boys stuff. Even on the leisure side of the industry, girls playing video games is only just becoming more common. Uni then manages to push more women out. Until all That's left are socially inadequate blokes, that barely know how to communicate with anyone, let alone a female. There may be some generalisations and sweeping statements above! But as an example, in our EMEA sales engineering team. Out of 12 people, there is only one female (and to be honest she is better than most of us). " Also, undiagnosed aspergers could answer for a big chunk of the type you have just described. | |||
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"Maybe they just troll different sites until they’re bored then move on. " Trolls will always be trolls wherever they do it. It's to electronic graffiti. And the press will fan flames to sell their papers. EVERYONE is equal. Sex, race, religion, disability... Unfortunately most men have a basic instinct to compete with other men, especially around women and when they dont feel the have the potentially required physical attributes they use whatever other tools they think they have to hand, like vile dialogue. I could go on. I can't be bothered though | |||
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" Also, undiagnosed aspergers could answer for a big chunk of the type you have just described. " Yep, we are all on the Autistic spectrum in IT. Again the sweeping statement and generalisation warning applies. | |||
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" EVERYONE is equal. Sex, race, religion, disability... " You got any biological or statistical data to back up that claim? I can provide you with plenty that is contrary to it... | |||
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" I don't think that promoting racial and gender equality equals pushing an anti-white male agenda. I think it's being perceived that way because of how unrelenting the focus has been, but I don't think such an agenda exists. But I still think the perception of it is a problem in society. One we need to address fairly. But huge amounts of progress were being made, if you asked any black person or homosexual in the late noughties, who were alive in the 70's/80's, I'm pretty sure they would have agreed things had gotten a lot better. The same goes for women with regards to male attitudes towards them, etc... Then at some point within the last few years, it became less about helping minorities and women and more about demonizing white, hetero men, resulting in those men feeling attacked and lashing out in response, hence Trump, Brexit, a huge rise in racial tensions in the US and both left and right being pushed further towards the extremes of their respective ideology. It has all become quite poisonous and nasty, since the media started aggressively race/gender baiting. " As I said, I do think there is a problem with society not listening to how men (particularly white men) are feeling about current attitudes. I agree that in some cases, it comes off as an attack. Where I disagree with you is that I don't see it as systematic. I don't think it is as anti white male as you claim. Pro "X" doesn't have to be anti "Y". I do think it is perceived that way, mainly because people in positions of power often feel attacked when that power is threatened. But I don't think it is justified. I think we, as a society, need to rethink how we go about addressing these issues because it doesn't do anyone any good to make anyone feel the way I think many white men feel at the moment. But there are some white men who engage in a level of victimization that they themselves would only ascribe to a crazy feminist or blm supporter. I don't think that level of victimization is helpful coming from anyone, especially not those decrying the alleged unfair victimization of other groups (like minorities and women). None of it leads to progress. That is all equally applicable on fab because I think we would all be better off if we saw this site (and clubs) from the point of view of eachother. For example, if women could see it from a man's perspective and if men could see it from a woman's perspective... | |||
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" EVERYONE is equal. Sex, race, religion, disability... You got any biological or statistical data to back up that claim? I can provide you with plenty that is contrary to it..." Your track record of providing data to back up a claim is pretty bankrupt tbh | |||
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Which one are we talking about exactly as there's a few around at the mo?! "No one in particular, though the one that attacked a regular forumite this morning was particularly venomous. | |||
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" I don't think that promoting racial and gender equality equals pushing an anti-white male agenda. I think it's being perceived that way because of how unrelenting the focus has been, but I don't think such an agenda exists. But I still think the perception of it is a problem in society. One we need to address fairly. But huge amounts of progress were being made, if you asked any black person or homosexual in the late noughties, who were alive in the 70's/80's, I'm pretty sure they would have agreed things had gotten a lot better. The same goes for women with regards to male attitudes towards them, etc... Then at some point within the last few years, it became less about helping minorities and women and more about demonizing white, hetero men, resulting in those men feeling attacked and lashing out in response, hence Trump, Brexit, a huge rise in racial tensions in the US and both left and right being pushed further towards the extremes of their respective ideology. It has all become quite poisonous and nasty, since the media started aggressively race/gender baiting. As I said, I do think there is a problem with society not listening to how men (particularly white men) are feeling about current attitudes. I agree that in some cases, it comes off as an attack. Where I disagree with you is that I don't see it as systematic. I don't think it is as anti white male as you claim. Pro "X" doesn't have to be anti "Y". I do think it is perceived that way, mainly because people in positions of power often feel attacked when that power is threatened. But I don't think it is justified. I think we, as a society, need to rethink how we go about addressing these issues because it doesn't do anyone any good to make anyone feel the way I think many white men feel at the moment. But there are some white men who engage in a level of victimization that they themselves would only ascribe to a crazy feminist or blm supporter. I don't think that level of victimization is helpful coming from anyone, especially not those decrying the alleged unfair victimization of other groups (like minorities and women). None of it leads to progress. That is all equally applicable on fab because I think we would all be better off if we saw this site (and clubs) from the point of view of eachother. For example, if women could see it from a man's perspective and if men could see it from a woman's perspective..." Yes, I think empathy is increasingly lacking. | |||
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" Yes, I think empathy is increasingly lacking." I think people should pair up - 1 man and 1 woman - and swap profiles for 24 hours and the discuss the findings. Maybe just open our profiles for a day to member of the opposite sex but not let them have any controls to mess with - viewing only. Kind of like take you child to work day. | |||
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" Yes, I think empathy is increasingly lacking. I think people should pair up - 1 man and 1 woman - and swap profiles for 24 hours and the discuss the findings. Maybe just open our profiles for a day to member of the opposite sex but not let them have any controls to mess with - viewing only. Kind of like take you child to work day." Some people have done that, set up a profile as the opposite sex to get an insight. I have every sympathy for the average decent guy on here who struggles to make headway, but there's plenty of good advice out there. | |||
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" I don't think that promoting racial and gender equality equals pushing an anti-white male agenda. I think it's being perceived that way because of how unrelenting the focus has been, but I don't think such an agenda exists. But I still think the perception of it is a problem in society. One we need to address fairly. But huge amounts of progress were being made, if you asked any black person or homosexual in the late noughties, who were alive in the 70's/80's, I'm pretty sure they would have agreed things had gotten a lot better. The same goes for women with regards to male attitudes towards them, etc... Then at some point within the last few years, it became less about helping minorities and women and more about demonizing white, hetero men, resulting in those men feeling attacked and lashing out in response, hence Trump, Brexit, a huge rise in racial tensions in the US and both left and right being pushed further towards the extremes of their respective ideology. It has all become quite poisonous and nasty, since the media started aggressively race/gender baiting. As I said, I do think there is a problem with society not listening to how men (particularly white men) are feeling about current attitudes. I agree that in some cases, it comes off as an attack. Where I disagree with you is that I don't see it as systematic. I don't think it is as anti white male as you claim. Pro "X" doesn't have to be anti "Y". I do think it is perceived that way, mainly because people in positions of power often feel attacked when that power is threatened. But I don't think it is justified. I think we, as a society, need to rethink how we go about addressing these issues because it doesn't do anyone any good to make anyone feel the way I think many white men feel at the moment. But there are some white men who engage in a level of victimization that they themselves would only ascribe to a crazy feminist or blm supporter. I don't think that level of victimization is helpful coming from anyone, especially not those decrying the alleged unfair victimization of other groups (like minorities and women). None of it leads to progress. That is all equally applicable on fab because I think we would all be better off if we saw this site (and clubs) from the point of view of eachother. For example, if women could see it from a man's perspective and if men could see it from a woman's perspective..." Fair enough. I don't disagree with all of that, only I would say that there *is* an element of hostility toward white men and that its not entirely imagined and also that a white male labourer on £10 p/h, struggling to pay rent and feed his kids is probably within his rights to feel angry about being labelled "privileged" and "in power" and that voting the way of nationalist populism is a fairly predictable counter-move. This is after all, exactly how Hitler got in to power, the story of what caused the Germans to vote him in is rarely told, but isn't entirely different to the scenario with working class American whites in 2016. | |||
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" I don't think that promoting racial and gender equality equals pushing an anti-white male agenda. I think it's being perceived that way because of how unrelenting the focus has been, but I don't think such an agenda exists. But I still think the perception of it is a problem in society. One we need to address fairly. But huge amounts of progress were being made, if you asked any black person or homosexual in the late noughties, who were alive in the 70's/80's, I'm pretty sure they would have agreed things had gotten a lot better. The same goes for women with regards to male attitudes towards them, etc... Then at some point within the last few years, it became less about helping minorities and women and more about demonizing white, hetero men, resulting in those men feeling attacked and lashing out in response, hence Trump, Brexit, a huge rise in racial tensions in the US and both left and right being pushed further towards the extremes of their respective ideology. It has all become quite poisonous and nasty, since the media started aggressively race/gender baiting. As I said, I do think there is a problem with society not listening to how men (particularly white men) are feeling about current attitudes. I agree that in some cases, it comes off as an attack. Where I disagree with you is that I don't see it as systematic. I don't think it is as anti white male as you claim. Pro "X" doesn't have to be anti "Y". I do think it is perceived that way, mainly because people in positions of power often feel attacked when that power is threatened. But I don't think it is justified. I think we, as a society, need to rethink how we go about addressing these issues because it doesn't do anyone any good to make anyone feel the way I think many white men feel at the moment. But there are some white men who engage in a level of victimization that they themselves would only ascribe to a crazy feminist or blm supporter. I don't think that level of victimization is helpful coming from anyone, especially not those decrying the alleged unfair victimization of other groups (like minorities and women). None of it leads to progress. That is all equally applicable on fab because I think we would all be better off if we saw this site (and clubs) from the point of view of eachother. For example, if women could see it from a man's perspective and if men could see it from a woman's perspective... Fair enough. I don't disagree with all of that, only I would say that there *is* an element of hostility toward white men and that its not entirely imagined and also that a white male labourer on £10 p/h, struggling to pay rent and feed his kids is probably within his rights to feel angry about being labelled "privileged" and "in power" and that voting the way of nationalist populism is a fairly predictable counter-move. This is after all, exactly how Hitler got in to power, the story of what caused the Germans to vote him in is rarely told, but isn't entirely different to the scenario with working class American whites in 2016." I don't think most of the claims of "privilege" and "power" are directed at men making $10 per hour. Its a straw man argument. But yes, some hostility does exist. Quite a bit, I would say. But its not systemic. I will say, however, that as an American from a working class family - comparing the average American, even men making $10 an hour, to the actual plight of average Germans after WWI is exactly the type of victimization I was talking about.They are nothing alike, even though many seem to perceive them as such. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "So agree with this xx | |||
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" Yes, I think empathy is increasingly lacking. I think people should pair up - 1 man and 1 woman - and swap profiles for 24 hours and the discuss the findings. Maybe just open our profiles for a day to member of the opposite sex but not let them have any controls to mess with - viewing only. Kind of like take you child to work day. Some people have done that, set up a profile as the opposite sex to get an insight. I have every sympathy for the average decent guy on here who struggles to make headway, but there's plenty of good advice out there." I've considered that, but no. I would be curious to see how women select a guy that sparks their interest. I've actually given up sending messages out to women since discovering the forums this week. I'm having thoughts for a new thread. Stay tuned. | |||
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" Fair enough. I don't disagree with all of that, only I would say that there *is* an element of hostility toward white men and that its not entirely imagined and also that a white male labourer on £10 p/h, struggling to pay rent and feed his kids is probably within his rights to feel angry about being labelled "privileged" and "in power" and that voting the way of nationalist populism is a fairly predictable counter-move. This is after all, exactly how Hitler got in to power, the story of what caused the Germans to vote him in is rarely told, but isn't entirely different to the scenario with working class American whites in 2016. " You say that about the 10 quid per hour guy. But even he is advantaged compared to the woman of similar background/education. For one I bet she would be unable to get that labourers job. Or feel as confident going into his local. At every level if society women have a disadvantage compared to their male counterparts. | |||
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" Fair enough. I don't disagree with all of that, only I would say that there *is* an element of hostility toward white men and that its not entirely imagined and also that a white male labourer on £10 p/h, struggling to pay rent and feed his kids is probably within his rights to feel angry about being labelled "privileged" and "in power" and that voting the way of nationalist populism is a fairly predictable counter-move. This is after all, exactly how Hitler got in to power, the story of what caused the Germans to vote him in is rarely told, but isn't entirely different to the scenario with working class American whites in 2016. You say that about the 10 quid per hour guy. But even he is advantaged compared to the woman of similar background/education. For one I bet she would be unable to get that labourers job. Or feel as confident going into his local. At every level if society women have a disadvantage compared to their male counterparts." Absolute nonsense (you know it is anyway, these are just the things you think you should say to appear like a "nice guy" to the women on here) A) Women, by and large, don't want to be labourers and mostly aren't physically capable. B) The socioeconomic equivalent for a woman would be a receptionist/retail worker, which pays the same, despite being far easier. C) I don't know what pubs you drink, but women are perfectly comfortable in my local, many even met their partners there. | |||
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" Fair enough. I don't disagree with all of that, only I would say that there *is* an element of hostility toward white men and that its not entirely imagined and also that a white male labourer on £10 p/h, struggling to pay rent and feed his kids is probably within his rights to feel angry about being labelled "privileged" and "in power" and that voting the way of nationalist populism is a fairly predictable counter-move. This is after all, exactly how Hitler got in to power, the story of what caused the Germans to vote him in is rarely told, but isn't entirely different to the scenario with working class American whites in 2016. You say that about the 10 quid per hour guy. But even he is advantaged compared to the woman of similar background/education. For one I bet she would be unable to get that labourers job. Or feel as confident going into his local. At every level if society women have a disadvantage compared to their male counterparts. Absolute nonsense (you know it is anyway, these are just the things you think you should say to appear like a "nice guy" to the women on here) A) Women, by and large, don't want to be labourers and mostly aren't physically capable. B) The socioeconomic equivalent for a woman would be a receptionist/retail worker, which pays the same, despite being far easier. C) I don't know what pubs you drink, but women are perfectly comfortable in my local, many even met their partners there. " No not at all. Women's potential for earning is always pegged below that of men. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Even whilst doing the same jobs, hence the current trouble at the BBC, and many other businesses up and down the country that are being taken to court over pay equality. Ok, "local" was a mistake. If they know the place and people maybe. But to walk into a strange pub on their own? Not many women would be comfortable doing that. And mostly for good reason. | |||
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" No not at all. Women's potential for earning is always pegged below that of men. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Even whilst doing the same jobs, hence the current trouble at the BBC, and many other businesses up and down the country that are being taken to court over pay equality. Ok, "local" was a mistake. If they know the place and people maybe. But to walk into a strange pub on their own? Not many women would be comfortable doing that. And mostly for good reason. " Okay, I'll go by things I (and all the women I know) experience, so we can tackle this with objective fact, as opposed to what's reported to you Twitter. I have worked in three different industries in my life - Marketing, PR and hospitality (restaurants and bars), in NO job I have ever had, have women earned less than men for doing the same job and I have had more female superiors than male. Singling out the BBC as an example out of the hundreds of thousands of companies in the country is clutching at straws. Unlike you, I won't start preaching about things I know little about, but as an educated GUESS, I would assume that at the BBC, presenters who host shows that attract more viewers probably earn more than those with less (hence a male presenter of MOTD probably earns more than a woman covering women's football highlights) - as I say, this isn't some anti-feminist rhetoric, all the women I know would also acknowledge you're talking rubbish. "Local" doesn't even matter, working in London, I have stopped off for a pint in more pubs than I can count and have seen women doing the same comfortably in all of them. Infact, I frequent pubs more than I ought to and never once have I seen a woman get "sexually harrassed in one" nor do I know of one that is scared to enter one alone. | |||
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" No not at all. Women's potential for earning is always pegged below that of men. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Even whilst doing the same jobs, hence the current trouble at the BBC, and many other businesses up and down the country that are being taken to court over pay equality. Ok, "local" was a mistake. If they know the place and people maybe. But to walk into a strange pub on their own? Not many women would be comfortable doing that. And mostly for good reason. Okay, I'll go by things I (and all the women I know) experience, so we can tackle this with objective fact, as opposed to what's reported to you Twitter. I have worked in three different industries in my life - Marketing, PR and hospitality (restaurants and bars), in NO job I have ever had, have women earned less than men for doing the same job and I have had more female superiors than male. Singling out the BBC as an example out of the hundreds of thousands of companies in the country is clutching at straws. Unlike you, I won't start preaching about things I know little about, but as an educated GUESS, I would assume that at the BBC, presenters who host shows that attract more viewers probably earn more than those with less (hence a male presenter of MOTD probably earns more than a woman covering women's football highlights) - as I say, this isn't some anti-feminist rhetoric, all the women I know would also acknowledge you're talking rubbish. "Local" doesn't even matter, working in London, I have stopped off for a pint in more pubs than I can count and have seen women doing the same comfortably in all of them. Infact, I frequent pubs more than I ought to and never once have I seen a woman get "sexually harrassed in one" nor do I know of one that is scared to enter one alone. " You’ve assumed wrong about the gender pay gap at the BBC and there is plenty of information on the internet about it. | |||
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" No not at all. Women's potential for earning is always pegged below that of men. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Even whilst doing the same jobs, hence the current trouble at the BBC, and many other businesses up and down the country that are being taken to court over pay equality. Ok, "local" was a mistake. If they know the place and people maybe. But to walk into a strange pub on their own? Not many women would be comfortable doing that. And mostly for good reason. Okay, I'll go by things I (and all the women I know) experience, so we can tackle this with objective fact, as opposed to what's reported to you Twitter. I have worked in three different industries in my life - Marketing, PR and hospitality (restaurants and bars), in NO job I have ever had, have women earned less than men for doing the same job and I have had more female superiors than male. Singling out the BBC as an example out of the hundreds of thousands of companies in the country is clutching at straws. Unlike you, I won't start preaching about things I know little about, but as an educated GUESS, I would assume that at the BBC, presenters who host shows that attract more viewers probably earn more than those with less (hence a male presenter of MOTD probably earns more than a woman covering women's football highlights) - as I say, this isn't some anti-feminist rhetoric, all the women I know would also acknowledge you're talking rubbish. "Local" doesn't even matter, working in London, I have stopped off for a pint in more pubs than I can count and have seen women doing the same comfortably in all of them. Infact, I frequent pubs more than I ought to and never once have I seen a woman get "sexually harrassed in one" nor do I know of one that is scared to enter one alone. You’ve assumed wrong about the gender pay gap at the BBC and there is plenty of information on the internet about it." And the women not being scared to go in pubs alone. I know loads who wouldn't. | |||
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" No not at all. Women's potential for earning is always pegged below that of men. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Even whilst doing the same jobs, hence the current trouble at the BBC, and many other businesses up and down the country that are being taken to court over pay equality. Ok, "local" was a mistake. If they know the place and people maybe. But to walk into a strange pub on their own? Not many women would be comfortable doing that. And mostly for good reason. Okay, I'll go by things I (and all the women I know) experience, so we can tackle this with objective fact, as opposed to what's reported to you Twitter. I have worked in three different industries in my life - Marketing, PR and hospitality (restaurants and bars), in NO job I have ever had, have women earned less than men for doing the same job and I have had more female superiors than male. Singling out the BBC as an example out of the hundreds of thousands of companies in the country is clutching at straws. Unlike you, I won't start preaching about things I know little about, but as an educated GUESS, I would assume that at the BBC, presenters who host shows that attract more viewers probably earn more than those with less (hence a male presenter of MOTD probably earns more than a woman covering women's football highlights) - as I say, this isn't some anti-feminist rhetoric, all the women I know would also acknowledge you're talking rubbish. "Local" doesn't even matter, working in London, I have stopped off for a pint in more pubs than I can count and have seen women doing the same comfortably in all of them. Infact, I frequent pubs more than I ought to and never once have I seen a woman get "sexually harrassed in one" nor do I know of one that is scared to enter one alone. You’ve assumed wrong about the gender pay gap at the BBC and there is plenty of information on the internet about it. And the women not being scared to go in pubs alone. I know loads who wouldn't. " I don’t think many shy and timid women would go into a pub on their own. | |||
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"Better start telling every woman I know that them going in to pubs alone isn't adhering to the Fabswinger's rhetoric. " I would go into a pub on my own, however, I would always make sure I had something to read with me, so that it doesn't look as if I want to get hit on. | |||
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"Well at least that one has disappeared. ....The number of angry, entitled, misogynistic men turning up on fabs is rapidly putting me off the whole thing, their attitude is repulsive. Where are they all coming from, and why is their attitide so bad? "Here's one potential answer: From Irish times 1999: As he recovered and studied psychology, he gradually realised that his life-pattern was set when he was abused and then abandoned by his alcoholic father, who died when he was 10, leaving Bradshaw to be reared by his emotionally repressed mother, who turned him into her little spouse, and by his four aunts. Four of these five women were victims of CSA. To them, "male" was a word so nasty that it made them gag. The young Bradshaw absorbed their repulsion, internalising the women's understandable feelings that men were "disgusting". It left him with what he calls "a sexualised rage". Even now, he spits out the words "male" and "disgusting" as if they were small, feral bats leaping from his throat. It was sexualised rage at being engulfed by his mother that turned Bradshaw into a sex addict, he believes. "Sex addiction comes from feeling inadequate as a man. It is a kind of disorder of desire," says Bradshaw. In order to love being a man and to behave responsibly towards women, Bradshaw has had to confront his own "mother rage", as he calls it. "Mother rage", in Bradshaw's view, explains a lot: including US President Bill Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Clinton's sexual behaviour with women is the classic behaviour of "a sex addict out of control", he believes. So is Clinton's psychological profile: like Bradshaw's father, Clinton's father was a no-good alcoholic, and Clinton took his father's place by becoming extremely close to his mother and protecting her. Bradshaw identifies with Clinton because he himself used to sit outside his mother's room while she cried for three hours at a time. "There's an anger you have about it but you cannot express it because you are a child," he says. "As you grow older, you develop an anger at being used. You start to use women in order to get back at your mother." In Bradshaw's view, Clinton married a cool, controlling mother-figure in Hillary Clinton, who he has deliberately desexualised. Every time he has an affair with another woman, Clinton is rebelling against and humiliating the mother-image in his head. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/healing-the-wounds-of-the-past-1.162960 That's why they are the way they are. Their Mothers have suffered CSA and it results in the Son being smothered, because the Mother is overbearing and overprotective towards her son. She is trying like mad to stop what happened to her from happening to her son. But the son's can't "Man up" so, without tons of therapy, they will remain "Mummies boys". I'll go with this answer till I know a different or better explanation. | |||
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"Better start telling every woman I know that them going in to pubs alone isn't adhering to the Fabswinger's rhetoric. I would go into a pub on my own, however, I would always make sure I had something to read with me, so that it doesn't look as if I want to get hit on." I do the same with my phone, so that it doesnt look like I want a middle aged man to strike up a conversation with me. Zero to do with gender. | |||
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I even got called a whore just this week in the context of 'well if your on here, expect to be treated like a whore'
So yes I would say the dynamics of the site has changed and MOST men do think they can just join and the women are just commodities they can order at will
Then you have the guys that agree to a social meet first and as soon as I agree, they keep trying their luck at 'just coming round to mine', forget about the social meet....Fuck That, they just missed out on any meet at all!
Now I could go on, but I'm sure you all get my drift about the shite we get sent | |||
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"As with OP, I will admit, as soon as Fab gets outed in some national paper, my heart drops! Now I have been here for 10 years, and at the beginning it was only respectful men that contacted me. Now all I constantly get is messages treating me like a free prostitute, 'In hotel now, wanna meet?' No profile, No pics and they really think I am going to answer yes?
I even got called a whore just this week in the context of 'well if your on here, expect to be treated like a whore'
So yes I would say the dynamics of the site has changed and MOST men do think they can just join and the women are just commodities they can order at will
Then you have the guys that agree to a social meet first and as soon as I agree, they keep trying their luck at 'just coming round to mine', forget about the social meet....Fuck That, they just missed out on any meet at all!
Now I could go on, but I'm sure you all get my drift about the shite we get sent "You should post some. Name and shame | |||
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" Okay, I'll go by things I (and all the women I know) experience, so we can tackle this with objective fact, as opposed to what's reported to you Twitter. I have worked in three different industries in my life - Marketing, PR and hospitality (restaurants and bars), in NO job I have ever had, have women earned less than men for doing the same job and I have had more female superiors than male. " You do know that your own personal experience is not objective fact don't you? Especially as you seem to have picked probably the three industries most penetrated by women. But even then, I would be willing to bet that the senior C level positions where overly occupied by men. Try looking at the figures for other industries and I think you will find you personal experience somewhat outside what the majority of women experience. Banking? IT? Construction? | |||
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"Better start telling every woman I know that them going in to pubs alone isn't adhering to the Fabswinger's rhetoric. I would go into a pub on my own, however, I would always make sure I had something to read with me, so that it doesn't look as if I want to get hit on. I do the same with my phone, so that it doesnt look like I want a middle aged man to strike up a conversation with me. Zero to do with gender. " Chatting to someone isn't the same as getting hit on. How often have middle aged men struck up a conversation with you? | |||
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" Try looking at the figures for other industries and I think you will find you personal experience somewhat outside what the majority of women experience. Banking? IT? Construction?" It's impossible to reason with you. Just read what you're saying. Construction and banking are male dominated industries for the same reason beauty, tourism and nursing are female dominated. More men are interested in pursuing the former, more women the latter. Similar to how more little girls play with barbies and boys, action men. Absolutely mind-blowing that I'm having to explain this most basic of obvious truths to a middle aged man. | |||
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" Okay, I'll go by things I (and all the women I know) experience, so we can tackle this with objective fact, as opposed to what's reported to you Twitter. I have worked in three different industries in my life - Marketing, PR and hospitality (restaurants and bars), in NO job I have ever had, have women earned less than men for doing the same job and I have had more female superiors than male. You do know that your own personal experience is not objective fact don't you? Especially as you seem to have picked probably the three industries most penetrated by women. But even then, I would be willing to bet that the senior C level positions where overly occupied by men. Try looking at the figures for other industries and I think you will find you personal experience somewhat outside what the majority of women experience. Banking? IT? Construction?" Exactly. Some of us because of our background, our education choices and the industries we worked in have entirely managed to avoid any direct experience of the kind of abuse and inequality that is apparently still widespread, though I would say there was still something of a patriarchy apparent at the top. | |||
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" Try looking at the figures for other industries and I think you will find you personal experience somewhat outside what the majority of women experience. Banking? IT? Construction? It's impossible to reason with you. Just read what you're saying. Construction and banking are male dominated industries for the same reason beauty, tourism and nursing are female dominated. More men are interested in pursuing the former, more women the latter. Similar to how more little girls play with barbies and boys, action men. Absolutely mind-blowing that I'm having to explain this most basic of obvious truths to a middle aged man." What is the reason? | |||
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" What is the reason? " This really complex, hard-to-understand theory of masculinity and femininity. Really academic stuff. | |||
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" What is the reason? This really complex, hard-to-understand theory of masculinity and femininity. Really academic stuff." Ok, let's couch it another way. What fucking reason? | |||
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" What is the reason? This really complex, hard-to-understand theory of masculinity and femininity. Really academic stuff. " I think I'll stop here. You are obviously part of the problem. You just about said that girls can't do maths because it hurts their pretty little heads... There are fewer women in banking (for example), because people like you. Their fathers, teachers etc. tell them they Don't want to do it. Then if they try the discrimination kicks in and convinces them. The few that fight it, have a tougher job getting on than their male counterparts. Then hit a glass ceiling... You are lucky that you may not have seen this in the industries you've worked in. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Take your comments here to work on Monday, see how many if your female colleagues actually agree with you. | |||
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" What is the reason? This really complex, hard-to-understand theory of masculinity and femininity. Really academic stuff. Ok, let's couch it another way. What fucking reason?" Have you had a lobotomy? | |||
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" What is the reason? This really complex, hard-to-understand theory of masculinity and femininity. Really academic stuff. I think I'll stop here. You are obviously part of the problem. You just about said that girls can't do maths because it hurts their pretty little heads... There are fewer women in banking (for example), because people like you. Their fathers, teachers etc. tell them they Don't want to do it. Then if they try the discrimination kicks in and convinces them. The few that fight it, have a tougher job getting on than their male counterparts. Then hit a glass ceiling... You are lucky that you may not have seen this in the industries you've worked in. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Take your comments here to work on Monday, see how many if your female colleagues actually agree with you." I was top in maths in the top band at Secondary school. I wondered why the boys didn't like me. | |||
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" I was top in maths in the top band at Secondary school. I wondered why the boys didn't like me." I was pretty good, but never loved it. You need a "special" brain to be really good at maths! | |||
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" What is the reason? This really complex, hard-to-understand theory of masculinity and femininity. Really academic stuff. Ok, let's couch it another way. What fucking reason? Have you had a lobotomy?" No, just interested what the reason is. | |||
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" Try looking at the figures for other industries and I think you will find you personal experience somewhat outside what the majority of women experience. Banking? IT? Construction? It's impossible to reason with you. Just read what you're saying. Construction and banking are male dominated industries for the same reason beauty, tourism and nursing are female dominated. More men are interested in pursuing the former, more women the latter. Similar to how more little girls play with barbies and boys, action men. Absolutely mind-blowing that I'm having to explain this most basic of obvious truths to a middle aged man." Perhaps you were brought up to protect little girls and not respect little girls? Not your fault hunny | |||
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