FabSwingers.com forum: Offence

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Do we ge offended too easily these days?

Should we just learn to shrug things off or is it healthy to show offence to educate others as to what is or isn’t acceptable?

Do we get more offended these days than we used to, or are we just more empowered to be able to show it now rather than repress it like before?

Whatcha think Fabbers? I don’t know the answers myself but I’m sure between us we can get to the bottom of this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure we get offended more but there are more platforms to rant about how offended we are. The game of “Ain’t it awful”has been around since Methuselah was a lad, butt now we have social media threads and comments button so everyone can join in playing “Ain’t it awful”!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure we get offended more but there are more platforms to rant about how offended we are. The game of “Ain’t it awful”has been around since Methuselah was a lad, butt now we have social media threads and comments button so everyone can join in playing “Ain’t it awful”!"

minor annoyances can go global very quickly, and for some reason people thousands of miles away living completely different life's can be more offended than the original poster.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

that’s very true!

Do you think there’s also an element of virtue signalling in some people’s offence? ie ‘society expects me to be fair minded and tolerant of everyone and everything so I’d better publically demonstrate that if I see a view or comment that challenges those norms?’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The quest for equality and acceptance of all drive the PC brigade to tell us what is offensive and what isn't.

Words and phrases we used freely in our youth are no longer acceptable but maybe that's normal anyway? Language evolves over time anyway, it just seems to move quicker these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people have always gotten offended. Always. Let's not forget the lawsuits in the past (at least in America) about profanity on television or the outrage at a nip-slip at the superbowl.

In my opinion, people today who claim to be tired of people being offended really, in most cases, can't tell the difference between offense and objection, between someone being personally offended by something and them simply disagreeing with that same thing.

Offense isn't invalid just because someone rolls their eyes at it. And disagreement isn't offense just because someone doesn't have a good argument against it. And we shouldn't just forget the seemingly ridiculous offense of the past just because it's more expedient to ridicule the offense of today.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think people have always gotten offended. Always. Let's not forget the lawsuits in the past (at least in America) about profanity on television or the outrage at a nip-slip at the superbowl.

What they said.

Too often people accuse others of taking offence too easily because they don't want to let go of their offensive ways or views.

I've noticed the term "snowflake" bandied about a lot recently often by people who have neither the wit nor courage to argue their point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Man up lol

Universal answer

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By *rjimMan
over a year ago

nr bristol

Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suck it up buttercup

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )"

Lots of people from all political viewpoints - both left and right and all inbetween - purport to believe in free speech. Yet often, when they hear or see opposing viewpoints that don’t align with their own, they try to suppress or silence it. Strange that, innit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think there is a lot more moaners these days but then I don’t know if there is or it’s just easier to complain now.

Like twitter and newspapers for example a newspaper will run a story (normally daily fail) saying people are up in arms about such and such, they use their sources as a few angry tweets from twitter and potentially ruin lives etc because a handful of people were offended that two women kissed on tv at 9.01 at night (just using it as an example).

Geeky x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )"

Ah yes! Milo! Who could forget the guy who argued in favor of older men effectively grooming young, underaged gay boys. The guy would say anything to get a rise out of people while simultaneously getting pretty outraged at those same so-called snowflakes.

Also, a college campus does not fall under free protected speech under the Constitution. Conflating no-platforming (which I don't entirely agree or disagree with) with free speech rights shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the basic principles at work.

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

Those that are easily offended tend to have an agenda. However we all have different tolerance levels so equally that can make it appear that someone is easily offended. I’m not easily offended at things directed at me providing they’re constructive. I’m more offended by things directed at others, protective mode kicks in. Victimisation is not nice to watch especially when it’s instigated by those who have been easily offended and have an agenda. I tend to find they are amongst the most offensive generally and are completely oblivious to how their words or actions impact others

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

I don't think people are any more offended, than what they were 20/30yrs ago, in fact probably the opposite.

Times have changed, we live in a much more liberal society, but along with that has come the ability to express ourselves more.

Social media, global TV.

Once upon a time, people just got on with their lives when things happened, dealt with it quietly, Nowdays we have a huge platform to air our voices on.

So no, not more easily offended, just we hear about things we wouldn't have before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man up lol

Universal answer"

And your next post “suck it up buttercup” are all very nice when it’s not you.

Most of us can shrug off as “sticks and stones...” for a time. When the personal digs keep coming though eventually we get to “the straw that broke....”.

Once it’s got to you it’s hard to shrug off even the smallest jibe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man up lol

Universal answer

And your next post “suck it up buttercup” are all very nice when it’s not you.

Most of us can shrug off as “sticks and stones...” for a time. When the personal digs keep coming though eventually we get to “the straw that broke....”.

Once it’s got to you it’s hard to shrug off even the smallest jibe. "

Im no phycology studen im very black and white how i see things

If people keep getting abuse theres 4 options

Take it

Return it twice the strength

Get out the way of it

Make sure they cant do it anymore

Its simple as that for me

Thats why i say man up

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The internet.

It magnifies and broadcasts what was always there, but never had a means of being communicated so widely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man up lol

Universal answer

And your next post “suck it up buttercup” are all very nice when it’s not you.

Most of us can shrug off as “sticks and stones...” for a time. When the personal digs keep coming though eventually we get to “the straw that broke....”.

Once it’s got to you it’s hard to shrug off even the smallest jibe.

Im no phycology studen im very black and white how i see things

If people keep getting abuse theres 4 options

Take it

Return it twice the strength

Get out the way of it

Make sure they cant do it anymore

Its simple as that for me

Thats why i say man up

Let’s assume we’re talking about someone who is visually outside the norm. Someone who gets abused by strangers just for being different.

You can only take abuse for so long before it gets to you.

Returning it twice the strength requires the will to continue to fight. Years of being abused, by countless people wears down that fight in you.

Just ignoring it and walking away sounds easy but those words still run around your head.

Making sure people can’t do ‘it’..... by hiding the thing you can do nothing about?

People who’ve taken years of abuse can sometimes be very defensive and preempt abuse that may not have otherwise come their way and overreact when it does.

Or they may just choose to hide away.

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By *itch and TwatCouple
over a year ago

Near Rushden Lakes

"Man up lol

Universal answer

And your next post “suck it up buttercup” are all very nice when it’s not you.

Most of us can shrug off as “sticks and stones...” for a time. When the personal digs keep coming though eventually we get to “the straw that broke....”.

Once it’s got to you it’s hard to shrug off even the smallest jibe.

Im no phycology studen im very black and white how i see things

If people keep getting abuse theres 4 options

Take it

Return it twice the strength

Get out the way of it

Make sure they cant do it anymore

Its simple as that for me

Thats why i say man up

Let’s assume we’re talking about someone who is visually outside the norm. Someone who gets abused by strangers just for being different.

You can only take abuse for so long before it gets to you.

Returning it twice the strength requires the will to continue to fight. Years of being abused, by countless people wears down that fight in you.

Just ignoring it and walking away sounds easy but those words still run around your head.

Making sure people can’t do ‘it’..... by hiding the thing you can do nothing about?

People who’ve taken years of abuse can sometimes be very defensive and preempt abuse that may not have otherwise come their way and overreact when it does.

Or they may just choose to hide away. "

This. Also it’s returning me to Roald Dahl and his most important human characteristic - kindness - and from that, everything else follows. If you offend someone unintentionally, apologise unreservedly because you don’t know their background.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man up lol

Universal answer

And your next post “suck it up buttercup” are all very nice when it’s not you.

Most of us can shrug off as “sticks and stones...” for a time. When the personal digs keep coming though eventually we get to “the straw that broke....”.

Once it’s got to you it’s hard to shrug off even the smallest jibe.

Im no phycology studen im very black and white how i see things

If people keep getting abuse theres 4 options

Take it

Return it twice the strength

Get out the way of it

Make sure they cant do it anymore

Its simple as that for me

Thats why i say man up

Let’s assume we’re talking about someone who is visually outside the norm. Someone who gets abused by strangers just for being different.

You can only take abuse for so long before it gets to you.

Returning it twice the strength requires the will to continue to fight. Years of being abused, by countless people wears down that fight in you.

Just ignoring it and walking away sounds easy but those words still run around your head.

Making sure people can’t do ‘it’..... by hiding the thing you can do nothing about?

People who’ve taken years of abuse can sometimes be very defensive and preempt abuse that may not have otherwise come their way and overreact when it does.

Or they may just choose to hide away.

Now wouldn’t that be nice

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

People have always been offended by things, the nature of offence just changes.

Sixty years ago, British people in general were so offended by the idea of gay sex that it was illegal. Conversely, the same people were so unoffended by racial discrimination that it was perfectly legal.

Four hundred years ago, British people were so offended by the idea of Roman Catholicism that Catholic priests were subject to the death penalty.

I actually think, historically, speaking we're pretty tolerant these days.

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By *rjimMan
over a year ago

nr bristol

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )

Berkeley is public funded so falls under the First Amendment....as do most colleges in the us.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )"

I was on an American forum recently and some right wing nut jobs were firing off the snowflake accusation against people who were (rightly) outraged about redneck Americans' taste for sex with children.

One also used the freedom of speech defence when he said he saw nothing wrong with sex with minors.

But what can you expect from the right wing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )

One also used the freedom of speech defence when he said he saw nothing wrong with sex with minors.

But what can you expect from the right wing?"

Well that escalated fast!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )

One also used the freedom of speech defence when he said he saw nothing wrong with sex with minors.

But what can you expect from the right wing?

Well that escalated fast!

Mind you it does illustrate an interesting point: where does the right to free speech end?

As abhorrent as most of us would find the thought should we suppress their right to say it?

What about views on gay rights? Or drug use?

What can or can’t people say freely?

Where is the line drawn? Ooh can of worms opened!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look up a guy called Milo...great fun...and he tears apart left wing liberal snowflakes.

People who are so left wing...and liberal..that they object to free speech to the point of destroying their own College Campuses. (Berkeley )

Berkeley is public funded so falls under the First Amendment....as do most colleges in the us.

You're wrong about that. You might want to do more research. It has long been acknowledged that college campuses have special speech regulations (when I was in law school, my free speech professor always said that college campuses were like prisons and the military in their special status with the first amendment). It's why they can have hate speech laws on college campuses but not elsewhere. I could offer you citations, but I doubt it would be worth the effort).

Now I think of it, back when the Iraq war was a thing, a mall in Albany, New York (the state capital of New York) removed someone from their premises (by having him arrested) for wearing a peace/anti-war tee-shirt. The case was taken through the court system as a free speech case because the mall received public funding. The person removed argued that the mall operated as public space and so free speech applied. The court determined that the mall was private land and they could remove people - that the first amendment, which only applies to government action (directly to the federal government and to state governments through incorporation by the 14th amendment) does not apply.

Interesting how you don't hear so much about the conservative snowflakes no-platforming liberal ideologies back then but people can misunderstand and misinterpret no-platforming by liberal snowflakes to their heart's content today.

What I think is that conservatives are better at name calling, that they are better at getting quick messages across to uninformed people. It's easier to call someone a snowflake and pass off information that feels right and call it "offense", then to listen to someone, hear their point, and make a counter-argument based on real facts and call it disagreement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The UK does not have any free speech, unlike the USA which as so eloquently explained by our learnered friend of USA origin, has limited free speech.

The insult inflection of the term snowflake which appears to be anyone with a different perspective to the insulter is getting used far to often.

I am not personally a fan of platforming, I would prefer it if those preaching hateful things, that are bad for an inclusive society were allowed to talk to empty halls, while those more sane speakers had a packed audience. Let the finances sort them out. Unfortunately many people are stupid and selfish, so audiences are there for both, while protesting the others.

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

Don't sweat the small stuff thats my moto...

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By *itch and TwatCouple
over a year ago

Near Rushden Lakes

"Don't sweat the small stuff thats my moto...

Isn’t that a motorway services?

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