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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think it can or do they have to start from scratch? One we know who works there said it is just a matter of time before it collapses, is one solution to tax the rich more?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who works for a partner organisation I have a fair idea how bada state it's actually in amd it is terrifying.

It can be saved. But like so much else in the ompublic sector it won be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it.

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

Yes it can be turned around, but I believe almost every aspect of it needs looking at. Eg from what I've read paying over the top for the medical supplies they use and the services they buy in as well.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I honestly don't know. I don't think the current government has the will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It needs to be completely restructured, I feel.

Too many extremely well paid people in the upper layers who never see a patient.

Too much money wasted on purchases. As with any government funded service, suppliers think of a number and multiply it by whatever they fancy.

Spend the budget at the coal face rather than on advisors, management layers and £1000 bandaids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they continue with the now unpopular austerity measures ....I'm afraid we are witnessing the end of the nhs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly don't know. I don't think the current government has the will.

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The new health secretary has very clear links to virgin health care. It's not hard to work out how that massive conflict of interests will play out. Let's face it Theresa May pretty much wrote the "how to guide" when as home secretary she started awarding contracts to her husband, oppps sorry I mean group 4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly don't know. I don't think the current government has the will.

The new health secretary has very clear links to virgin health care. It's not hard to work out how that massive conflict of interests will play out. Let's face it Theresa May pretty much wrote the "how to guide" when as home secretary she started awarding contracts to her husband, oppps sorry I mean group 4"

exactly! several of them have their fingers in all sorts of private contractors pies! but they made no secret of that...they all but spelt out what they intended to do .. but still people voted for them..so short sighted!

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

From what I read only 30% of staff are medically employed

All the rest are office workers/admin.

That's where the money goes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This government have no interest in saving it.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

Too many people at point of access, too much waste (such as spending millions on art for hospitals), too many expensive none essential treatments being given out like IVF, the list goes on. I don't think pumping more money into it is the way forward until they deal with the inner problems and I don't think a change of government will do it as you'll still have the same people running the NHS regardless of who is sat in number 10.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think that anyone who is in a position to directly influence the NHS by the decisions they make should be obliged along with their families to use it as their primary source of health care.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

If the nhs was run as a business , employing people at the top to ensure it works as a business , it can be saved .

Way too much money is wasted on paying over the odds for everything . From buildings , to contracts for cleaning , not to mention the drugs dispensed .

Wages for the actual hands on workers are way too low , and for middle and top management way too high . Way too many jobs are outsourced , again costing way too much .

If we were privy to the kind of money wasted in the nhs we would be staggered .

This has been the case for ever , no matter what government is in power , and until we see some radical changes it will continue to decline . Tragic , but inevitable .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To many old people not enough young people to pay for it.Entropy rules the universe.

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By *igtattooedbeardedGuyMan
over a year ago

Halesowen


"If the nhs was run as a business , employing people at the top to ensure it works as a business , it can be saved .

Way too much money is wasted on paying over the odds for everything . From buildings , to contracts for cleaning , not to mention the drugs dispensed .

Wages for the actual hands on workers are way too low , and for middle and top management way too high . Way too many jobs are outsourced , again costing way too much .

If we were privy to the kind of money wasted in the nhs we would be staggered .

This has been the case for ever , no matter what government is in power , and until we see some radical changes it will continue to decline . Tragic , but inevitable ."

I think the above is spot on, if the NHS spent it's budget correctly waiting times could be slashed both in a&e and for surgeries. Money would be available to pay for life extending drugs that patients need. Far to much money wasted in the wrong areas. If the NHS was a private company it would be in administration.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"To many old people not enough young people to pay for it.Entropy rules the universe."

It could be argued that the NHS has been too successful then.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY


"To many old people not enough young people to pay for it.Entropy rules the universe.

It could be argued that the NHS has been too successful then."

But it is us oldies who have paid in all the money to build it, now we are criticised as a drain on the system we paid for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know a fair few people who work within the nhs at various levels. It is genuinely worrying how the finances run, how things cost 10 times what they should, policy on policy on policy, change for the sake of change etc etc etc. The state of the nation

Obesity and diabetes rising at an alarming level.

Can it survive? Personally I can't see it. Dentistry was pretty much privatised many years ago, GPs are briefed not to refer unless totally totally required. I can see private health care will become more mainstream before long. If this doesn't happen, of course taxation will have to rise again, the issues I think are of most concern are the wasting of funds and many of the policies the nhs adopt, will this change if more funding is avalible? Of course not! It's failing. The only reason it continues to roll on to some degree is the fact that a good number of nhs staff really care about what they do, with their work load, this cannot last!

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

I like how may visited a hospital not in a crisis, and a perfectly laid out hospital. It was all false too make her look good.

She doesn't even live at number 10, she's out for herself when she's done she will vanish. Bet the only friends she as are Parliament members.. Oh and these rich diners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it."

THIS

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"To many old people not enough young people to pay for it.Entropy rules the universe.

It could be argued that the NHS has been too successful then.

But it is us oldies who have paid in all the money to build it, now we are criticised as a drain on the system we paid for "

Yep! Don't get me started on the phrase bed blocker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I read only 30% of staff are medically employed

All the rest are office workers/admin.

That's where the money goes "

A quick google debunks that. Over 50% are clinicians and a further 26% provide support to clinicians in healthcare positions.

Less than 3% are employed un managerial roles.

So by my maths that leaves 20% working in admin, finance, facilities etc. Not sure which of those could go? Cleaners? Porters? Receptionists? Maybe consultants could type their own letters rather than have secretaries?

Sourse: NHS employers and figures are from 2015

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don’t believe it can be. The budget has been increasing put never inline with inflation.

The NHS is Un saveable, for to many years it has been underfunded.

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

The NHS was created decades ago and managed financially well for decades. They need to look at when it started to go wrong, what was changed at that point and work from there to fix it. If it worked one time and was a benefit to society, then there's no need as to why it can not again.

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham


"To many old people not enough young people to pay for it.Entropy rules the universe.

It could be argued that the NHS has been too successful then.

But it is us oldies who have paid in all the money to build it, now we are criticised as a drain on the system we paid for "

If it wasn't for us oldies paying into the NHS for years there would be no NHS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps they used a bit of something that used to be called common sense in those days (a bit of a dark art these days, probably never to be seen of heard of again). If policy, protocol and an ounce of common sense could be re applied, I think that could be a good start. The reality is though, common sense policy won't be seen again, unfortunately

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By *apillonNoirWoman
over a year ago

There...


"From what I read only 30% of staff are medically employed

All the rest are office workers/admin.

That's where the money goes

A quick google debunks that. Over 50% are clinicians and a further 26% provide support to clinicians in healthcare positions.

Less than 3% are employed un managerial roles.

So by my maths that leaves 20% working in admin, finance, facilities etc. Not sure which of those could go? Cleaners? Porters? Receptionists? Maybe consultants could type their own letters rather than have secretaries?

Sourse: NHS employers and figures are from 2015"

I worked front line NHS for years. It’s struggled for years for many reasons: abuse of the system (Saturday night d*unks clogging up A&E, illnesses caused by self abuse for example), treatments which were once broadly unavailable have become mainstream (transplants, IVF, cosmetic procedures, complex cancer treatments), and an ever increasing population of folk who live longer with complex illnesses managed by medicines.

Just throwing money at the NHS won’t make it better or work more efficiently. My opinion (for what it’s worth!) is that a radical overhaul is needed and that we can all do little things to help ourselves live healthier lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS has been collapsing for the last 70 years since it was set up. It's still here.

But like all organisations it can always be improved ....

Despite all its problems we live longer are generally healthier and now recover from illnesses that even a decade ago would have been terminal.

The constant bashing of the NHS by politicians of all parties serves it badly.

It should be removed from the control of here today gone tomorrow political ideologies and operated at arms length from government who's only role should be to allocate funding from our taxes.

It's our NHS....we the people have to pay for it or demand that our taxes are used to fund it.... and get the politics out of it.

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By *ornylittlesubWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

Something definitely has to be done, every time I go to work it's one problem after another...almost makes you want to give up...almost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While they are contracting out services to companies like Care UK, no.

I had a small op last year that took 3 people to pre-op assess me.

5 people to question me, take my blood pressure,settle me onto a ward and wheel me to an operating theatre. In the theatre there were 7 people: the surgeon, the assisting nurse, 3 medical staff sat on the right of the theatre, looking at notes and 2 people opposite my feet, looking at notes.

I was given a lot more local anaesthetic than I needed and had the wound burned with a little gadgety thing.

I then went back to the ward for a couple of hours, where I got dressed and waited for someone to discharge me.

My wound didn't heal for over a month and was infected and painful.

I had a similar operation about 8 years ago. I had an appointment at a local clinic. Sat in the waiting room for 10 minutes, went into a small room with a chair like a dentist chair, where a doctor and nurse were waiting. I had a couple of injections of anaesthetic, felt a little pulling for about 10 minutes, was sewn back up and out the door on my way home. All in all I was in the building for less than half an hour.

I'm wondering who sits on the board of directors of Care UK and the likes and how much they charged the NHS for my operation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I read only 30% of staff are medically employed

All the rest are office workers/admin.

That's where the money goes

A quick google debunks that. Over 50% are clinicians and a further 26% provide support to clinicians in healthcare positions.

Less than 3% are employed un managerial roles.

So by my maths that leaves 20% working in admin, finance, facilities etc. Not sure which of those could go? Cleaners? Porters? Receptionists? Maybe consultants could type their own letters rather than have secretaries?

Sourse: NHS employers and figures are from 2015

I worked front line NHS for years. It’s struggled for years for many reasons: abuse of the system (Saturday night d*unks clogging up A&E, illnesses caused by self abuse for example), treatments which were once broadly unavailable have become mainstream (transplants, IVF, cosmetic procedures, complex cancer treatments), and an ever increasing population of folk who live longer with complex illnesses managed by medicines.

Just throwing money at the NHS won’t make it better or work more efficiently. My opinion (for what it’s worth!) is that a radical overhaul is needed and that we can all do little things to help ourselves live healthier lives. "

Think you've got an excellent and worth while opinion to be honest. The problem is we've got interfering politicians and wooly liberal do-gooders!

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

having been in hospital loads last year my observations were

having to use agency nurses

needing more money

more care facilities for when a patient cant come home but dont need to be in hospital

too many bigwigs

i hope its not too late so many nurses left while i was in there

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln

My initial couple of thoughts/ideas have been something like a ‘d*unk tank’ in every major city where people can just sleep things off or be triaged and be looked after rather than having to bring them to hospital therefore saving ambulances and potentially hospital resources for ones who are just pissed.

Plus, if they actually sorted out the healthy eating recommendations to drastically minimise processed food (and stop being held to ransom by food companies and industry who want the opposite) along with suitable education about food then there might be a chance at reducing lifestsyle related issues such as obesity and diabetes which may ease the pressure on doctors and hospitals.

Case in point there was a Dr in Australia I think it was who was a surgeon who amputated body parts through diabetic complications. He was suspended or struck off for suggesting to his patients that they ignored the official advice and ate more real, low carb food to try and avoid the diabetes leading to such problems. How dare he!

Plus one doctor in the NW has saved around £40k on diabetes medication in one year in just his practice by using more lifestyle based plans rather than just dishing out pills.

Trouble is, Govt have to admit they’ve got it wrong over the past 40 years and I can’t see that happening :-/

TB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My initial couple of thoughts/ideas have been something like a ‘d*unk tank’ in every major city where people can just sleep things off or be triaged and be looked after rather than having to bring them to hospital therefore saving ambulances and potentially hospital resources for ones who are just pissed.

Plus, if they actually sorted out the healthy eating recommendations to drastically minimise processed food (and stop being held to ransom by food companies and industry who want the opposite) along with suitable education about food then there might be a chance at reducing lifestsyle related issues such as obesity and diabetes which may ease the pressure on doctors and hospitals.

Case in point there was a Dr in Australia I think it was who was a surgeon who amputated body parts through diabetic complications. He was suspended or struck off for suggesting to his patients that they ignored the official advice and ate more real, low carb food to try and avoid the diabetes leading to such problems. How dare he!

Plus one doctor in the NW has saved around £40k on diabetes medication in one year in just his practice by using more lifestyle based plans rather than just dishing out pills.

Trouble is, Govt have to admit they’ve got it wrong over the past 40 years and I can’t see that happening :-/

TB"

Good points, unfortunately the pc brigade would be wringing their hands in The Guardian if doctors started giving that advice out. Personally I'd go one step further and tell people they needed to make dietary changes before treatments, including smokers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My initial couple of thoughts/ideas have been something like a ‘d*unk tank’ in every major city where people can just sleep things off or be triaged and be looked after rather than having to bring them to hospital therefore saving ambulances and potentially hospital resources for ones who are just pissed.

Plus, if they actually sorted out the healthy eating recommendations to drastically minimise processed food (and stop being held to ransom by food companies and industry who want the opposite) along with suitable education about food then there might be a chance at reducing lifestsyle related issues such as obesity and diabetes which may ease the pressure on doctors and hospitals.

Case in point there was a Dr in Australia I think it was who was a surgeon who amputated body parts through diabetic complications. He was suspended or struck off for suggesting to his patients that they ignored the official advice and ate more real, low carb food to try and avoid the diabetes leading to such problems. How dare he!

Plus one doctor in the NW has saved around £40k on diabetes medication in one year in just his practice by using more lifestyle based plans rather than just dishing out pills.

Trouble is, Govt have to admit they’ve got it wrong over the past 40 years and I can’t see that happening :-/

TB

Good points, unfortunately the pc brigade would be wringing their hands in The Guardian if doctors started giving that advice out. Personally I'd go one step further and tell people they needed to make dietary changes before treatments, including smokers."

What has telling people to live a healthier lifestyle at the point that their chosen lifestyle has led to regular medical intervention got to do with politically correctness?

But regardless, doctors gove this advice but people don;t listen to it. I once sat on my GP waiting room and there was a woman gobbing off about how useless the doctors were "I come about my diabetes and all I get is told to lose weight and eat healthier, I come about my COPD and get told to quit smoking, doesn;t he understand that he;s a doctor and all i want is a prescription". And that's the problem. People don't want to hear about lifestyle change, The NHS can give you free gym membership to the obese but people don't want it.

I could probably rant even more about d*unks filling up A&E every weekend. The biggest drain on the NHS is the stupidity and selfishness of many of the people it treats

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By *orny747Man
over a year ago

andover

I sincerely hope so but with the majority of MP,s wealthy enough to have private medical insurance I'm sure they would not worry to much if it collapsed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I sincerely hope so but with the majority of MP,s wealthy enough to have private medical insurance I'm sure they would not worry to much if it collapsed."

I fully agree with you, if push came to shove I'm sure every single one of them would pay privately no matter what their political colour apparently was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not in it's current structure, no.

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln

The point of the lifestyle advice was that the advice is wrong, the guidelines inc the EatWell Plate, Eat Less Move More and low fat is all

nonsense and has probably been a major contribution to people being fatter and sicker. I agree some don’t want to hear it, but if they were given useful advice that actually worked rather than being told the wrong ways to lose weight and eat healthier, then maybe there could be a chance more people would take it on board.

It just all comes down to money in all of the scenarios, spending it wrong or not being able invest in the right things to actually make a proper difference and save money in the long run.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The point of the lifestyle advice was that the advice is wrong, the guidelines inc the EatWell Plate, Eat Less Move More and low fat is all

nonsense and has probably been a major contribution to people being fatter and sicker. I agree some don’t want to hear it, but if they were given useful advice that actually worked rather than being told the wrong ways to lose weight and eat healthier, then maybe there could be a chance more people would take it on board.

It just all comes down to money in all of the scenarios, spending it wrong or not being able invest in the right things to actually make a proper difference and save money in the long run."

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln


"

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors "

And I didn’t realise that’s what I was saying.

It’s A factor in a multi factor problem. If people could take better control of their lifestyle through the right advice, then likely less time needed at doctors for them, therefore more time available for those non-fat people who need it.

Nutrition is my field therefore the one I feel I can best comment on.

TB

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By *apillonNoirWoman
over a year ago

There...


"The point of the lifestyle advice was that the advice is wrong, the guidelines inc the EatWell Plate, Eat Less Move More and low fat is all

nonsense and has probably been a major contribution to people being fatter and sicker. I agree some don’t want to hear it, but if they were given useful advice that actually worked rather than being told the wrong ways to lose weight and eat healthier, then maybe there could be a chance more people would take it on board.

It just all comes down to money in all of the scenarios, spending it wrong or not being able invest in the right things to actually make a proper difference and save money in the long run.

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors "

The NHS is open to everyone eligible irrespective of their size. There’s really good evidence linking extremes of weight to health issues but I suspect you’re fully cognisant of those publications (peer reviewed rather than popular media). Two of my acquaintances have recently been referred to separate health Trusts for knee replacement. Both have been told that losing considerable amounts of weight will speed their healing and recovery and been referred to weight loss organisations to assist them. In contrast, another acquaintance has had to be hospitalised whilst awaiting referral to an eating disorder clinic. Just anecdotal evidence that the NHS covers everyone eligible...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The financial situation of the NHS isn't helped by arseholes like Richard Branson and his Virgin care group suing the NHS for £82million because he didn't get a contract they tendered for. I'm sure him or his family won't be spending time in an NHS corridor if they fall ill though so, why should he give a fuck!

I'm sure it could be fixed but the attitude of the government and people like Richard Branson need to change first and I'm not sure they have the will. There's now talk of the government bailing out that big construction company. They'll probably do that before they fix the NHS.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

So many people who want to die due to illness are being kept alive and costing £1000s daily. Assisted suicide should be legal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it can or do they have to start from scratch? One we know who works there said it is just a matter of time before it collapses, is one solution to tax the rich more?"

Or maybe just close loopholes that allow large multinational companies to less tax than an individual on an average wage. That would help solve a lot of financial problems in the NHS and other worthy sectors.

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By *iversong321Woman
over a year ago

Preston/Merseyside


"From what I read only 30% of staff are medically employed

All the rest are office workers/admin.

That's where the money goes "

Don't believe all you read. In my area admin teams have been slaughtered under virgin care resulting in no staff to do the booking in, paperwork etc

The result, band 5 and 6 nurses doing photocopying cos there is nobody to do it, taking them away from patients. Get the admin right and the proper people can do their jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors

And I didn’t realise that’s what I was saying.

It’s A factor in a multi factor problem. If people could take better control of their lifestyle through the right advice, then likely less time needed at doctors for them, therefore more time available for those non-fat people who need it.

Nutrition is my field therefore the one I feel I can best comment on.

TB"

A factor I agree, but non-fat people can’t get a doctors appointment because the fat people take them all? That’s how your explanation post reads to me, if that’s not what you meant then I apologise.

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By *rystal Tipps - AlistairCouple
over a year ago

livingston

The NHS could be saved if they started to restructure and cut down on the management levels as well as recovering the monies from overseas patients that arrive in the country requiring an operation, but don't want to pay for it in their own country ( when were abroad we need to have travel insurance and we may be required to pay for some of the treatment and the drugs, so why don't we do the same and get the cash back from them, and the use of unnecessary translators that also cost a fortune.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saving it starts with the public taking more responsibility for their own health. Stop smoking, cut down drinking, eat better. Only got the the gp/a&e if really necessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The point of the lifestyle advice was that the advice is wrong, the guidelines inc the EatWell Plate, Eat Less Move More and low fat is all

nonsense and has probably been a major contribution to people being fatter and sicker. I agree some don’t want to hear it, but if they were given useful advice that actually worked rather than being told the wrong ways to lose weight and eat healthier, then maybe there could be a chance more people would take it on board.

It just all comes down to money in all of the scenarios, spending it wrong or not being able invest in the right things to actually make a proper difference and save money in the long run.

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors

The NHS is open to everyone eligible irrespective of their size. There’s really good evidence linking extremes of weight to health issues but I suspect you’re fully cognisant of those publications (peer reviewed rather than popular media). Two of my acquaintances have recently been referred to separate health Trusts for knee replacement. Both have been told that losing considerable amounts of weight will speed their healing and recovery and been referred to weight loss organisations to assist them. In contrast, another acquaintance has had to be hospitalised whilst awaiting referral to an eating disorder clinic. Just anecdotal evidence that the NHS covers everyone eligible... "

I am aware the nhs is open to everyone regardless of size. In fact a number of my acquaintances regularly attend appointments even if they have no weight problems. I also agree weight is ONE issue but fat people are not solely to blame for the nhs downfall

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By *_Yeah19Couple
over a year ago

Lincoln


"

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors

And I didn’t realise that’s what I was saying.

It’s A factor in a multi factor problem. If people could take better control of their lifestyle through the right advice, then likely less time needed at doctors for them, therefore more time available for those non-fat people who need it.

Nutrition is my field therefore the one I feel I can best comment on.

TB

A factor I agree, but non-fat people can’t get a doctors appointment because the fat people take them all? That’s how your explanation post reads to me, if that’s not what you meant then I apologise. "

No, not what I meant, just a small piece of the puzzle about a field I know something about. Clearly hundreds of other issues too, reducing the need for medications/GP time etc due to better, actually helpful lifestyle advice is one thing which could help. IMO obv.

TB

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

The thing is, in reality there is no shortage of money.

When it comes to it £10Bn can easily be found as a bribe so the Tories can form a working majority.

The money is just distributed incorrectly - We need to actually collect corporation tax, and/or increase it. Private companies should not be allowed to interfere with the NHS - if people want private treatment, let the private firms set up their own treatment centres.

There should be no such thing as a preferred supplier of goods, they should be subjected to market forces.

I think blaming fat people/drinkers is a bit like blaming doleys for the worlds problems - yes, they cost money, but it's very small potatoes and only serves to distract us from the location of "the money tree".

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over a year ago


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it."

We also have to hold the blairites in Labour to account or they'll carry on where the Tories leave off.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it.

We also have to hold the blairites in Labour to account or they'll carry on where the Tories leave off."

They ARE tories.

I am starting to become convinced that New Labour was a (pretty successful) attempt to hammer then final nail in the coffin of the Labour movement by destroying the Labour Party from within. The goal being a US style two-party system of Centre-right and hard right parties.

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By *apillonNoirWoman
over a year ago

There...


"The point of the lifestyle advice was that the advice is wrong, the guidelines inc the EatWell Plate, Eat Less Move More and low fat is all

nonsense and has probably been a major contribution to people being fatter and sicker. I agree some don’t want to hear it, but if they were given useful advice that actually worked rather than being told the wrong ways to lose weight and eat healthier, then maybe there could be a chance more people would take it on board.

It just all comes down to money in all of the scenarios, spending it wrong or not being able invest in the right things to actually make a proper difference and save money in the long run.

I didn’t realise that only fat people went to the doctors

The NHS is open to everyone eligible irrespective of their size. There’s really good evidence linking extremes of weight to health issues but I suspect you’re fully cognisant of those publications (peer reviewed rather than popular media). Two of my acquaintances have recently been referred to separate health Trusts for knee replacement. Both have been told that losing considerable amounts of weight will speed their healing and recovery and been referred to weight loss organisations to assist them. In contrast, another acquaintance has had to be hospitalised whilst awaiting referral to an eating disorder clinic. Just anecdotal evidence that the NHS covers everyone eligible...

I am aware the nhs is open to everyone regardless of size. In fact a number of my acquaintances regularly attend appointments even if they have no weight problems. I also agree weight is ONE issue but fat people are not solely to blame for the nhs downfall "

I completely agree. I offered purely personal and anecdotal evidence at both ends of the spectrum. My initial post offered an overarching opinion: that a complete revamp is (in my opinion) required to suit the needs of today’s population. Believe me; I’m not having a go at anyone.

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By *queekyCheesyCouple
over a year ago

newark

Unpopular plus side, if it does go alot of us will die. Obviously the unfortunate health wise among us. So fear not, 1 sexy ass woman may be back on the market in the not too distant future!

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over a year ago

Work for a trust thats £19 million in debt, where small sullpiers are on 90 day payment terms which means the trust is seen to be making a saving in the last 3 months of the financial year, though what effect this must have on small suppliers who may face closure due to this.

The same trust whose chief executive has an office refurbished with lovely etched glass on the doors for the bargain price of £30 thousand.

While this happens then the NHS is doomed to failure with its present management.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

easily just they have to stop wasting money, cut there funding more, force them to change.

charge everyone who isnt born here.

wasted time charge them if they dont turn up

abusive patients should be charged for there treatment

cut management

cut all top wages max 100k

start training British staff from school not importing them

and stop paying company's to take your furniture or IT waste, huge amounts of cash.

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By *he Devils Daughter!Woman
over a year ago

some where in yorkshire

I work for the nhs n think it’s safe to say that in 20-30 years it will no longer exist n that’s scary.... thanks to cuts n the government we are fun ragged at work not enough staff not enough hours n we can’t cope but still we all go above n beyond to care for our patients.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

I think suppliers and the pharmaceutical companies think that the NHS is the golden goose that will keep on paying their high costs.

There must be more cost effective ways to deliver the service. I’ve temped for a brief period and I can see the waste just from an admin view point.

For a start using agency staff is expensive and should be reduced.

I’m sure we could all pick out ways in which they could save money. There’s no quick fix but if they tightened up in every area they’d make substantial savings.

Better use of resources and less waste.

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over a year ago

I work at the very pointy end of the nhs. Contrary to popular belief “Saturday night d*unks” aren’t clogging up the ED, certainly not where I am. The biggest problems are the lack of appropriate elderly social care which means quite often the old “bed blockers” problems aren’t found until they are septic and pretty much on the way out resulting in long hospital stays.

Add to that the deplorably minimal amount of common sense applied by current generations. I have been called for people who have vomited ONCE. People who have a headache but have taken NO painkillers, people who have been given antibiotics for an infection but are still feeling poorly after taking just one tablet! And above all people who STILL believe that “if we are brought to hospital by ambulance we will be seen quicker!” Education is required, common sense is required and hunts resignation is required

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Nhs is badly run by management i worked on the ward for 14 years and saw so much waste ..IT gets loads of money spent on them ..new computers laptops and dont forget mobile phones for all management ..agencies also take a big lump out the budget there staff have to be paid and then the agency has to be paid ,ive worked with some great agency staff and some I wouldn't even bother to employ ...each ward is given a budget but its different to stay with init as some patients require specialist medication and treatments ..

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Considering the ageing popn, lpw birth rate og future tax payers, Brexit, and the obesity and diabetic time bomb, no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work for the NHS and there is lots of things wrong too many managers and fat cat bosses on big pay and some other subjects which I'm not going to mention here as it will open a can of worms and I will be banned AGAIN it does not take a genius to work out what is wrong people are too scared of political correctness to actually tell what's going on I have seen it for the last 12 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It needs to be completely restructured, I feel.

Too many extremely well paid people in the upper layers who never see a patient.

Too much money wasted on purchases. As with any government funded service, suppliers think of a number and multiply it by whatever they fancy.

Spend the budget at the coal face rather than on advisors, management layers and £1000 bandaids. "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It can be saved - provatised health care providing the same services is considerably more expensive. It must be invested in, unlike the current government who are giving it less money in real terms than the Labour government did,whilst in power.

The UK is a wealthy country and its population needs the cover - it's about whether you want to pay much more for private health or invest less than that in to superior NHS healthcare.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple
over a year ago

Leeds


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it."
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Don't worry nobody's voting in labour again since the fuck up with PFI they did

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over a year ago


"If the nhs was run as a business , employing people at the top to ensure it works as a business , it can be saved .

Way too much money is wasted on paying over the odds for everything . From buildings , to contracts for cleaning , not to mention the drugs dispensed .

Wages for the actual hands on workers are way too low , and for middle and top management way too high . Way too many jobs are outsourced , again costing way too much .

If we were privy to the kind of money wasted in the nhs we would be staggered .

This has been the case for ever , no matter what government is in power , and until we see some radical changes it will continue to decline . Tragic , but inevitable ."

The hospital in Huntingdon was the pilot for running it as a business. The company handed it back to the NHS. It had failed.

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over a year ago


"The NHS was created decades ago and managed financially well for decades. They need to look at when it started to go wrong, what was changed at that point and work from there to fix it. If it worked one time and was a benefit to society, then there's no need as to why it can not again. "

It's a victim of its own success. It's not about going wrong, it's about the high costs of life saving treatments and equipment, and management of chronic conditions that people used to die from at an earlier age and stage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well as my sister is currently in a and e getting a blood tranfusion I do hope the nhs can be saved.

Geeky x

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over a year ago


"The point of the lifestyle advice was that the advice is wrong, the guidelines inc the EatWell Plate, Eat Less Move More and low fat is all

nonsense and has probably been a major contribution to people being fatter and sicker. I agree some don’t want to hear it, but if they were given useful advice that actually worked rather than being told the wrong ways to lose weight and eat healthier, then maybe there could be a chance more people would take it on board.

It just all comes down to money in all of the scenarios, spending it wrong or not being able invest in the right things to actually make a proper difference and save money in the long run."

Where is the evidence that the advice is wrong?

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester


"more tax, more investment..but it would help if people didnt vote in a government who are hell bent on dismantling it..

Don't worry nobody's voting in labour again since the fuck up with PFI they did "

I did wonder if anyone was going to mention the ludicrous PFI deals that saddled hospitals with massive long term debts. Can't imagine that helps at all....

People with free prescriptions getting headache tablets prescribed when they're 20p in supermarkets....

People setting targets for other people to explain why they weren't reached? Bin them all. Target should be everyone who needs treatment (note: NEEDS not wants).

Artwork? Get schools to provide it as a project. Don't need art directors then.

Clean hospitals well not quickly to maximise cleaning contract profits. Cuts down on disease inside hospitals that then needs treatment. MRSA etc.

Until sanity is restored, cut unnecessary elective procedures right back.

Idiot drink/drugs based injuries should be billed to the patient.

Stop greedy lawyers suing for cash for pathetic nonsense. Genuine negligence or malice still needs persuing of course.

Unentitled people using NHS should be billed.

Wouldn't it be cheaper for the NHS to make its own drugs that are past patent protection?

It needs a major review from the top down by someone with NO POLITICAL OR CORPORATE CONNECTION WHATSOEVER.

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