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"I think the billion that went to the DUP would have been better spent on the NHS, but sure, what ever keeps May in a job. I'm a big fan of the NHS and hope it gets sorted. All the people that have nothing but negativity to say about the NHS would soon change there mind when private medical costs started appearing on there door matt. Rant over, now to answer your question. It's not that there is too many people in Britain, its the amount of people that use the hospital. When you have waiting rooms full of people with running noses and a bit of cough, its going to get back logged. They set up a none emergency help line to deal with this but people still go to A and E when the GP is shut. Also, from what I understand and any NHS staff member can happily tell me I'm wrong. But the wages aren't good enough for the amount of hours they do and the good work they do. I do believe this is why we aren't attracting any new medical talent into our hospitals" I do agree with this too  | |||
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"Not enough people want to be trained and nurse on harder departments such as in A and E and elderly care . It's not glamourise enough for some newly qualified people and they leave the proffession . I do work for nhs and have for many years and they want your blood .Long shifts ,no breaks .Talk about getting rid of enhancements .If they do that nobody will want to work weekends or night shifts .Think it is true people are living longer and getting more ailments and see same ones being addmitted into hospital . But it's a good job I love my job "As you work for the NHS what do you think ( if anything ) should be done ?? | |||
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"Not enough people want to be trained and nurse on harder departments such as in A and E and elderly care . It's not glamourise enough for some newly qualified people and they leave the proffession . I do work for nhs and have for many years and they want your blood .Long shifts ,no breaks .Talk about getting rid of enhancements .If they do that nobody will want to work weekends or night shifts .Think it is true people are living longer and getting more ailments and see same ones being addmitted into hospital . But it's a good job I love my job As you work for the NHS what do you think ( if anything ) should be done ??"Would be interesting if it goes private .I don't think some people realise how much things cost .I was shown a price list of private care of patient abroad and it shocked me.Charge for bed and down to dressings etc . The amount of people who come in a and e with drug addiction and alcohol for fix as no money .I do think more care should be available for elderly people so they can go home with support .Only thing is they won't pay .so people like this won't pay if nhs go private . | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ?" Invest Invest Invest! | |||
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"Nursing is a calling a vocation if you will but long hours poor wages by the time they have paid taxes and parking etc they are simply not valued enough x" | |||
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"It's not just about investing sack Jeremy cunt bring NHS back to the doctor's take politics out of it have a full open audit and basically start to build it again and that's just to start with x" This! | |||
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"They can start by making people pay to be seen if they're in A+E because they've been drinking too much. I have heard that 70% of cases are alcohol related." True and the amount of people walk in emergency a and e who could go to chemist is shocking .so yes charge for time wasters .24 hr drop in centres and late night chemist .I was talking one too a paramedic and he was called out for emergency and it was for toothache  | |||
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"State enrolled nurses were phased out in the 80's.... if anyone remembers the green uniforms .... they worked on the wards keeping everything ticking along So once they went staff nurses had to work on wards and do managerial jobs .... Nurses when training had a wage and most young nurses like I was then lived in the nurses home . It was cheap accommodation People who want to be nurses now have to go to uni .... and live off a bursary ... which isnt much ..... hence lack of nurses Too many managers now who dont know what is important in nursing ....quite a few with no nursing background ... some Tuped over to private companies Our nurses were once the best ... they have had the stuffing knocked out of them no wonder they are leaving . Shame on you NHS. ." They don't get bursaries now... they took them away, but use bursaries as an incentive to go into teaching  | |||
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"I've recently had a health scare, blood clot's to the leg's lung's and kidney's, when admitted to hospital I was in such a poor state of health that 1 doctor said I was a coffin dodger of the first degree lol, no but seriously I'm not the type of person who run's to the doctor every time I sneeze or cough, so my condition got that bad because I "didn't want to waste the doctors time", yeah right that nearly killed me. 4 days in hospital, mass's of treatments, 5 consultants for each of my problems, massive telling off for not coming forward sooner. Now I have a heart condition ( bought on by the blood clots) COPD (smoking asthma) (now a none smoker of 4 months) on blood thinner's, heart pills and inhaler for the rest of my life. would I praise the NSH,,,, to bloody right I would, would I take fund's from other place's so as to build,maintain and staff better newer hospital's, to right I would, where would I start, MP's allowance's, they took the job on knowing the cost of working away from home, they should like us bare the cost, would a company in London pay the mortgage on a second house for me because I live 300 miles away, yeah right lol, would they pay for a secretary for me, yeah right, you take a job you take responsibility for getting to and from it and the out of pocket expense's too. 100's of 1000's of our £s are frittered away every year on project's that never come to anything, oversea's aid for countries with more and better mineral reserves than we have yet they stand every year cap in hand looking to us for money to "improve" their country. OH dear I seem to have jumped up on my soap box lol " This kinda sums it up. A great post . Hope you stay healthy mate | |||
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" This kinda sums it up. A great post . Hope you stay healthy mate "I use to be a Tory voter(wash's mouth out with stagnant water) but I now vote Labour, not because I'm a socialist but because they are the party for the common man, not to many university educated drop out's or silverspooned twerps in that party, just people who have risen from the working class and know and appreciate the hardship's folk face day to day, because they come from grass root stock, and as for the greens well if they want to sit around chewing grass all day then so be it | |||
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" This kinda sums it up. A great post . Hope you stay healthy mate
I use to be a Tory voter(wash's mouth out with stagnant water) but I now vote Labour, not because I'm a socialist but because they are the party for the common man, not to many university educated drop out's or silverspooned twerps in that party, just people who have risen from the working class and know and appreciate the hardship's folk face day to day, because they come from grass root stock, and as for the greens well if they want to sit around chewing grass all day then so be it "Personally I hate all politicians and they can all run off a cliff edge at the same time  . But I get your point | |||
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"It's not just about investing sack Jeremy cunt bring NHS back to the doctor's take politics out of it have a full open audit and basically start to build it again and that's just to start with x" Strensham cunt. I adore his name | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better " ^ This | |||
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"I have a very simple method for the nhs, every year the bbc (that's the broadcasters not our fab members) recieves 3.7bn in license fees. Put simply take that and make it a nhs license instead and we will have to put up with adverts during eastenders.. Now that's not a fix all method and granted they will still need extra money but i'm sure it would go a long way to helping the NHS begin to heal." ^ This also gets a | |||
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"I think the billion that went to the DUP would have been better spent on the NHS, but sure, what ever keeps May in a job." Sorry to split hairs... To clarify, the £1Bn of additional funding to Northern Ireland was secured by the DUP in a supply and confidence deal. Yes, it sounds grubby. However, the DUP themselves did not get the cash. Like them or not, they saw an opportunity to secure additional funding for their country and like all good politicians turned the situation to their advantage. The people of Northern Ireland may benefit in a small way from the deal. In this case, it is a bit harsh to critisise them. Theresa May could have told Foster to ram it, but for her own reasons she agreed. As with all things, the comsequences of the deal will be interpreted and spun out to suit the agenda of whoever is doing the spinning. I also acknowledge that the money could have been spent elsewhere, like on NHS England, or other worthy recipients. However, part of that £1Bn is likely (although I can't say with certainty) to be spent within the NHS in Northern Ireland. Just an observation, not picking an argument. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better " Actually eu immigrants have contributed 5billion more to the UK economy than they took in benefits. They have contributed with needed skills and labour and most are here to to earn their keep, not rely on benefits. The NHS and education system are struggling because of underfunding , not because of those who use it. Non eu immigrants however are a differed tory, and would fit better into your rant. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better Actually eu immigrants have contributed 5billion more to the UK economy than they took in benefits. They have contributed with needed skills and labour and most are here to to earn their keep, not rely on benefits. The NHS and education system are struggling because of underfunding , not because of those who use it. Non eu immigrants however are a differed tory, and would fit better into your rant. " I suppose it depends where you live . In my area of my town EU migrants just stand around town drinking cider and special brew all day and sexually assault young girls . Harsh but true as I see it. I guess there must be well behaved ones in Surrey or Kent or some other more affluent areas but I can only comment on what i see on my doorstep !! And I used A&E last year in NGH And I was there for 6 hours . I'm not blaming staff but over half of patients were foriegn . Sorry but that's reality in my town  | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better Actually eu immigrants have contributed 5billion more to the UK economy than they took in benefits. They have contributed with needed skills and labour and most are here to to earn their keep, not rely on benefits. The NHS and education system are struggling because of underfunding , not because of those who use it. Non eu immigrants however are a differed tory, and would fit better into your rant. I suppose it depends where you live . In my area of my town EU migrants just stand around town drinking cider and special brew all day and sexually assault young girls . Harsh but true as I see it. I guess there must be well behaved ones in Surrey or Kent or some other more affluent areas but I can only comment on what i see on my doorstep !! And I used A&E last year in NGH And I was there for 6 hours . I'm not blaming staff but over half of patients were foriegn . Sorry but that's reality in my town "Why can't immigrants pay on their insurance if we go on holiday we don't get free medical treatment sorry that is just life and when I go for hospital I have to take my passport to prove that I am English x | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better Actually eu immigrants have contributed 5billion more to the UK economy than they took in benefits. They have contributed with needed skills and labour and most are here to to earn their keep, not rely on benefits. The NHS and education system are struggling because of underfunding , not because of those who use it. Non eu immigrants however are a differed tory, and would fit better into your rant. I suppose it depends where you live . In my area of my town EU migrants just stand around town drinking cider and special brew all day and sexually assault young girls . Harsh but true as I see it. I guess there must be well behaved ones in Surrey or Kent or some other more affluent areas but I can only comment on what i see on my doorstep !! And I used A&E last year in NGH And I was there for 6 hours . I'm not blaming staff but over half of patients were foriegn . Sorry but that's reality in my town
Why can't immigrants pay on their insurance if we go on holiday we don't get free medical treatment sorry that is just life and when I go for hospital I have to take my passport to prove that I am English x "No where did I say they shouldn't contribute. They certainly should especially if they've only been here a short time. But where's the cut off. Once they've been here working and paying tax and NI for x amount of years? How about the native population who've never worked but expect nhs treatment? | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !!" It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !!" If only. I'd actually start playing again then. | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! If only. I'd actually start playing again then. " Me too. It's actually a better idea than it sounds at first | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! If only. I'd actually start playing again then. " When Virgin and Branson bid for it they intended this. He had the champagne open and believed it was a done deal. Alas, the're was never any chance of minister losing out on Camelot backhanders | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !!" Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !!" Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. Sake | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. Sake " Yes you could well be right . Good viewpoint . I actually think the government should look into this . It's a fantastic idea that's simple and would work | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. Sake Yes you could well be right . Good viewpoint . I actually think the government should look into this . It's a fantastic idea that's simple and would work "Would they have to bid for it the same as Camelot. Couldn't they just set it up. I have no idea of the mechanics of it. But just mindful of the money it could raise for such an important cause. | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. Sake Yes you could well be right . Good viewpoint . I actually think the government should look into this . It's a fantastic idea that's simple and would work
Would they have to bid for it the same as Camelot. Couldn't they just set it up. I have no idea of the mechanics of it. But just mindful of the money it could raise for such an important cause."Yes just set it up themselves . Set the jackpot at a fixed 1 Million Quid . Operate at around 50% profit that all goes straight to to Hospitals | |||
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"In answer to your OP, no. I don’t agree. " That's fair enough we all have different outlooks . | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ?" Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ? Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. " Yep | |||
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"State enrolled nurses were phased out in the 80's.... if anyone remembers the green uniforms .... they worked on the wards keeping everything ticking along So once they went staff nurses had to work on wards and do managerial jobs .... Nurses when training had a wage and most young nurses like I was then lived in the nurses home . It was cheap accommodation People who want to be nurses now have to go to uni .... and live off a bursary ... which isnt much ..... hence lack of nurses ." You're out of touch. New student nurses from sept last year receive nothing and have to fork out for tuition fees, min £9,000 a year. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better ^ This "agreed! Top many people taking out the pot rather than putting in that's the problem let's be honest here! | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better ^ This agreed! Too* many people taking out the pot rather than putting in that's the problem let's be honest here! " | |||
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"I don't think it's rocket science to say when you increase your population by 10-12% your likely going to have increase your NHS by 10-12%" That's why many object to immigration and health tourism. Not because they're racist, but because it's not rocket science that public services can't and don't cope. If the public blame lack of doctors on the Tories, Blair/Brown were in office for 13 years and it takes 7 years of training to he a doctor, where are the 6 years of thousands of trained doctors from Blair and Brown? So whilst the owners of the NHS are in charge, politicians, the NHS won't get any better. There should be a national database of those who support immigration so they pay double the tax which goes directly to the NHS. Only then will these people wake up. | |||
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"State enrolled nurses were phased out in the 80's.... if anyone remembers the green uniforms .... they worked on the wards keeping everything ticking along So once they went staff nurses had to work on wards and do managerial jobs .... Nurses when training had a wage and most young nurses like I was then lived in the nurses home . It was cheap accommodation People who want to be nurses now have to go to uni .... and live off a bursary ... which isnt much ..... hence lack of nurses . You're out of touch. New student nurses from sept last year receive nothing and have to fork out for tuition fees, min £9,000 a year." I did 2 years part time OU courses in a subject I like as a hobby. That resulted in student loans of £5,000. We are all in the same boat, doing those courses was my choice. If we wish the government to cover tution fees, then tax will have to rise. My experience supports tuition fees. | |||
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"State enrolled nurses were phased out in the 80's.... if anyone remembers the green uniforms .... they worked on the wards keeping everything ticking along So once they went staff nurses had to work on wards and do managerial jobs .... Nurses when training had a wage and most young nurses like I was then lived in the nurses home . It was cheap accommodation People who want to be nurses now have to go to uni .... and live off a bursary ... which isnt much ..... hence lack of nurses . You're out of touch. New student nurses from sept last year receive nothing and have to fork out for tuition fees, min £9,000 a year. I did 2 years part time OU courses in a subject I like as a hobby. That resulted in student loans of £5,000. We are all in the same boat, doing those courses was my choice. If we wish the government to cover tution fees, then tax will have to rise. My experience supports tuition fees." It's the first time student nurses have had to pay tuition. It was "protected" due to poor recruitment in home grown talent. With 40% of nurses coming from abroad, with Brexit looming, with qualification requirement changing from diploma to degree, with 10,000 nursing vacancies existing in England alone, with wages not matching increase in interest rates in about 9 years, with starting wage not representing the change in qualification and is less than the national average, now is not the time to remove the only bonus nursing had. | |||
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"In answer to your OP, no. I don’t agree. That's fair enough we all have different outlooks ." If by different outlooks you mean you’re wrong, then yes.  | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! If only. I'd actually start playing again then. When Virgin and Branson bid for it they intended this. He had the champagne open and believed it was a done deal. Alas, the're was never any chance of minister losing out on Camelot backhanders" Virgin and Branson don't need Camelot. They have gone straight for the NHS instead. They run many of the services in my area. The NHS is being privilised piece by piece. The general public isn't aware but it is happening.Look into services in your area. Most are up for tender in the next 3 years. | |||
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"I cannot praise the nhs enough for overachieving as it does with the constraints forced upon it. The single biggest problem is not too many people. It's that chunks of the NHS are being sold off to private companies and any attempt to run it like a business is doomed to fail. Money is being spent by these companies on building rent, new computers etc and duplicating admin staff and the pot of money is gone before the half year is even out! Wages for the people that "do" are not reflecting their work and contribution. I truly cannot believe that it is allowed to go on like it has. There's so much more but just mentioning the above makes my blood boil... " I totally agree, but how can the common people have their say in this when its all orchestrated from government we can,t have a say in anything and the NHS was for the common people not private companies their nothing more than criminals in my mind. | |||
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"State enrolled nurses were phased out in the 80's.... if anyone remembers the green uniforms .... they worked on the wards keeping everything ticking along So once they went staff nurses had to work on wards and do managerial jobs .... Nurses when training had a wage and most young nurses like I was then lived in the nurses home . It was cheap accommodation People who want to be nurses now have to go to uni .... and live off a bursary ... which isnt much ..... hence lack of nurses Too many managers now who dont know what is important in nursing ....quite a few with no nursing background ... some Tuped over to private companies Our nurses were once the best ... they have had the stuffing knocked out of them no wonder they are leaving . Shame on you NHS. ." Yeah worked as a porter at the end of the 70,s, the nurse in the green uniform were Auxillarys I think but yes they were always there on the ward when needed, only memories now..  | |||
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"They can start by making people pay to be seen if they're in A+E because they've been drinking too much. I have heard that 70% of cases are alcohol related." Totally agree with this not only do these fools clog up A&E but often they are there in handcuffs taking police officers off the street as well | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! If only. I'd actually start playing again then. When Virgin and Branson bid for it they intended this. He had the champagne open and believed it was a done deal. Alas, the're was never any chance of minister losing out on Camelot backhanders Virgin and Branson don't need Camelot. They have gone straight for the NHS instead. They run many of the services in my area. The NHS is being privilised piece by piece. The general public isn't aware but it is happening.Look into services in your area. Most are up for tender in the next 3 years." Yes, Tony Blair implemented the Tory idea of PFI. | |||
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"It'd be interesting to see a break down of where all the money goes. Also they should make it so profits from healthcare organisations are ploughed back into the NHS, should stop the tories from privatising the NHS on the quiet. " Really? So those companies who spend billions on drug development the companies that make beds cookers cleaning machines chairs desks etc etc should have their profits confiscated for daring to provide work to others and a socially beneficial service that is required by millions of other people who use the nhs? That should work wonders for the unemployment figures and the tax take which funds the nhs! Pure genius | |||
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"I think the billion that went to the DUP would have been better spent on the NHS, but sure, what ever keeps May in a job. I'm a big fan of the NHS and hope it gets sorted. All the people that have nothing but negativity to say about the NHS would soon change there mind when private medical costs started appearing on there door matt. Rant over, now to answer your question. It's not that there is too many people in Britain, its the amount of people that use the hospital. When you have waiting rooms full of people with running noses and a bit of cough, its going to get back logged. They set up a none emergency help line to deal with this but people still go to A and E when the GP is shut. Also, from what I understand and any NHS staff member can happily tell me I'm wrong. But the wages aren't good enough for the amount of hours they do and the good work they do. I do believe this is why we aren't attracting any new medical talent into our hospitals I do agree with this too "For people's information:- Nurse's pay is between £20,000 and £32,400 with the average being about £24,000. Junior Doctors pay is between £23,000 and £50,000 with the average being about £33,300. | |||
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"I can't praise the NHS enough for the helping got while pregnant and when I had PID. I'd gladly pay a small set amount out my wages every month if it went directly to the NHS front line to be used to keep the service running. " You can't run a service just on the front line, you need other people providing services to the front line such as purchasing, payroll, cleaning etc. | |||
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"It's not just about investing sack Jeremy cunt bring NHS back to the doctor's take politics out of it have a full open audit and basically start to build it again and that's just to start with x" Whilst I have no great love for Jeremy Hunt I really don't think sacking him will make much difference. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better ^ This agreed! Top many people taking out the pot rather than putting in that's the problem let's be honest here! "If you're going to say "let's be honest" then at least have the good grace to actually be honest. If EU migrants are actually using the NHS then they will be covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) and the money for their treatment can be claimed by the NHS from their national health provider. | |||
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"I don't think it's rocket science to say when you increase your population by 10-12% your likely going to have increase your NHS by 10-12% That's why many object to immigration and health tourism. Not because they're racist, but because it's not rocket science that public services can't and don't cope. If the public blame lack of doctors on the Tories, Blair/Brown were in office for 13 years and it takes 7 years of training to he a doctor, where are the 6 years of thousands of trained doctors from Blair and Brown? So whilst the owners of the NHS are in charge, politicians, the NHS won't get any better. There should be a national database of those who support immigration so they pay double the tax which goes directly to the NHS. Only then will these people wake up." It's also not rocket science to figure out that if the immigrant is covered by health insurance provided by the national health provider in their own country (which under EHIC all EU citizens have) then, provided the NHS claims the money back through EHIC, EU citizens are not actually s burden on the NHS at all. | |||
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"I'm proud of our NHS and it needs protecting at all costs. I'd happily pay that bit extra tax to see it funded properly but cut the red tape bullshit and which ever waste of space health minister they put in place stops interfering. That said I think all immigrants and I mean everyone who migrates here, shouldn't receive it for free until they've paid into the pot for at least 6 months. I could rant on but I think GP's are lazy and this country is becoming full of hypochondriacs, who willing waste resources. And breathe" immigrants, and I mean anyone who migrates here, don't receive NHS treatment for free, and are not entitled to receive NHS treatment for free, now. If the migrant has health insurance (and under EHIC all EU citizens do) then the money for their treatment should be claimed from their insurance provider. If they don't have insurance (non EU migrants) then they should be billed personally. | |||
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"But the money the chancing immigrants get for pretending they are certain tradesmen etc, trust me I have seen it all on building sites all over the country, they use the excuse speak little English and get away it for a while then they get told to leave and they all move on to the next site to try their chances making out they are certain tradesman when they are not, the money they earn does not go back into our economy like our money does, they send all their money back to their homelands which is not good for our economy, let me tell you something, they come over here, not having paid a penny in national insurance etc, they get priority for housing, money for furniture, clothes, phones and cars and they get £2k put in to their banks, trust me I have seen it, I went to the bank with one guy to talk to the cashier over some issues he had and he showed me his account and said why has the government put £2k in his bank, this is a fucking joke as that is our fucking money the government is throwing away to immigrants, what about us the British people who's parents, grandparents and great grandparents who fought in the wars to give this once great nation that was called Great Britain its freedom, we get treated like second and third class citizens and get fuck all from our own government, if I was in power of the country, I would send them all home including those that have been here 40/50 years as all they have done is milked our welfare, NHS and our housing stock, once this is done our country will be back on its feet with no issues whatsoever and the lazy bastards that don't want to work will get no benefits and housing unless they get a job! " Sorry but I don't trust you. The reason why i don't trust you is that I know from my own experience that most of what you've just said is total rubbish. | |||
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"Did you know that the interest on the national debt is greater than the NHS wage bill. Did you know it was Blair and Brown that ran up the debt and then when the banks had to be bailed out, that increased the national debt!! Apparently, it's the Tories fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" It's always the fault of the Tories and/or Mrs T. Unless you're a Tory, in which case it's always the fault of Labour and/or Tony. That's really half the problem with the NHS. Too much political point scoring rather than genuinely looking for real solutions. | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ? Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. " Agree. That's the reason it's called the 'National health service' as it's meant to service this nation.
It's not called the 'World health service' and it's not meant to serve any Freeloading Tom, Dick or Harry that thinks they can just fly in here from anywhere in the world and get free treatment then fly back home. It's time to put a stop to Health tourism and there needs to be a serious zero tolerance crackdown on it. | |||
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"I think the billion that went to the DUP would have been better spent on the NHS, but sure, what ever keeps May in a job. I'm a big fan of the NHS and hope it gets sorted. All the people that have nothing but negativity to say about the NHS would soon change there mind when private medical costs started appearing on there door matt. Rant over, now to answer your question. It's not that there is too many people in Britain, its the amount of people that use the hospital. When you have waiting rooms full of people with running noses and a bit of cough, its going to get back logged. They set up a none emergency help line to deal with this but people still go to A and E when the GP is shut. Also, from what I understand and any NHS staff member can happily tell me I'm wrong. But the wages aren't good enough for the amount of hours they do and the good work they do. I do believe this is why we aren't attracting any new medical talent into our hospitals I do agree with this too
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"Did you know that the interest on the national debt is greater than the NHS wage bill. Did you know it was Blair and Brown that ran up the debt and then when the banks had to be bailed out, that increased the national debt!! Apparently, it's the Tories fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's always the fault of the Tories and/or Mrs T. Unless you're a Tory, in which case it's always the fault of Labour and/or Tony. That's really half the problem with the NHS. Too much political point scoring rather than genuinely looking for real solutions." The NHS should be a quango. With all parties agreeing to a fixed percentage of the GDP funding it. The NHS would no longer be a political tool. | |||
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"I don't think it's rocket science to say when you increase your population by 10-12% your likely going to have increase your NHS by 10-12% That's why many object to immigration and health tourism. Not because they're racist, but because it's not rocket science that public services can't and don't cope. If the public blame lack of doctors on the Tories, Blair/Brown were in office for 13 years and it takes 7 years of training to he a doctor, where are the 6 years of thousands of trained doctors from Blair and Brown? So whilst the owners of the NHS are in charge, politicians, the NHS won't get any better. There should be a national database of those who support immigration so they pay double the tax which goes directly to the NHS. Only then will these people wake up. It's also not rocket science to figure out that if the immigrant is covered by health insurance provided by the national health provider in their own country (which under EHIC all EU citizens have) then, provided the NHS claims the money back through EHIC, EU citizens are not actually s burden on the NHS at all." They are though because more patients/people in the system means increased waiting times and more burden on the system. More people/patients means increased waiting times in A and E for urgent cases in the short term and more people/patients means increased waiting times in the long term for those needing operations. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better ^ This agreed! Top many people taking out the pot rather than putting in that's the problem let's be honest here!
If you're going to say "let's be honest" then at least have the good grace to actually be honest. If EU migrants are actually using the NHS then they will be covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) and the money for their treatment can be claimed by the NHS from their national health provider."And those health tourists who come here from outside of the EU? What is your defence for them? | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ? Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. Agree. That's the reason it's called the 'National health service' as it's meant to service this nation.
It's not called the 'World health service' and it's not meant to serve any Freeloading Tom, Dick or Harry that thinks they can just fly in here from anywhere in the world and get free treatment then fly back home. It's time to put a stop to Health tourism and there needs to be a serious zero tolerance crackdown on it. "And, if the NHS was treating immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe for free, you'd have a valid point but, as you already know, it doesn't. Most of Europe is covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) which means any health costs for citizens from most of Europe (and all of the EU/EFTA/EEA) can be claimed back from the insurance/national health provider in their own country. | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ? Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. Agree. That's the reason it's called the 'National health service' as it's meant to service this nation.
It's not called the 'World health service' and it's not meant to serve any Freeloading Tom, Dick or Harry that thinks they can just fly in here from anywhere in the world and get free treatment then fly back home. It's time to put a stop to Health tourism and there needs to be a serious zero tolerance crackdown on it.
And, if the NHS was treating immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe for free, you'd have a valid point but, as you already know, it doesn't. Most of Europe is covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) which means any health costs for citizens from most of Europe (and all of the EU/EFTA/EEA) can be claimed back from the insurance/national health provider in their own country."It's not just Europe though is it. Typical remainer not able to look beyond the borders of the EU. Health tourists come here to use the NHS from all around the world. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better ^ This agreed! Top many people taking out the pot rather than putting in that's the problem let's be honest here!
If you're going to say "let's be honest" then at least have the good grace to actually be honest. If EU migrants are actually using the NHS then they will be covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) and the money for their treatment can be claimed by the NHS from their national health provider.
And those health tourists who come here from outside of the EU? What is your defence for them? "It's an a requirement upon entry into the UK that a person has made adequate provision, either via insurance or available funds, to cover any likely medical costs or pre existing medical conditions. So, if they are a legal migrant or visitor any treatment they get will not be funded by the UK tax payer but by their own means. But you already know this because you've asked me before on another thread. | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. Sake Yes you could well be right . Good viewpoint . I actually think the government should look into this . It's a fantastic idea that's simple and would work "There's already a health lottery that helps fund non-nhs local health initiatives. And many charities like Diabets UK have also started their own lotteries | |||
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"I think the billion that went to the DUP would have been better spent on the NHS, but sure, what ever keeps May in a job. I'm a big fan of the NHS and hope it gets sorted. All the people that have nothing but negativity to say about the NHS would soon change there mind when private medical costs started appearing on there door matt. Rant over, now to answer your question. It's not that there is too many people in Britain, its the amount of people that use the hospital. When you have waiting rooms full of people with running noses and a bit of cough, its going to get back logged. They set up a none emergency help line to deal with this but people still go to A and E when the GP is shut. Also, from what I understand and any NHS staff member can happily tell me I'm wrong. But the wages aren't good enough for the amount of hours they do and the good work they do. I do believe this is why we aren't attracting any new medical talent into our hospitals I do agree with this too
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"I think its all swings and roundabouts with pay and the vocational professions. Social work was massively understaffed and pay was increased to attract students, now in my area a newly qualified social worker starts on 33k. Not a massive stretch to think those who might have gone for nursing or teaching have gone into social work instead because of better pay. And now nursing and teaching are understaffed... | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ? Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. Agree. That's the reason it's called the 'National health service' as it's meant to service this nation.
It's not called the 'World health service' and it's not meant to serve any Freeloading Tom, Dick or Harry that thinks they can just fly in here from anywhere in the world and get free treatment then fly back home. It's time to put a stop to Health tourism and there needs to be a serious zero tolerance crackdown on it.
And, if the NHS was treating immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe for free, you'd have a valid point but, as you already know, it doesn't. Most of Europe is covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) which means any health costs for citizens from most of Europe (and all of the EU/EFTA/EEA) can be claimed back from the insurance/national health provider in their own country.
It's not just Europe though is it. Typical remainer not able to look beyond the borders of the EU. Health tourists come here to use the NHS from all around the world. "I've answered this question already for you on other threads and again just above on this. To clarify:- No foreign national is automatically entitled to free treatment on the NHS and it is a requirement of entry into the UK for all foreign nationals to make adequate provision for any likely medical costs or pre existing conditions. For EU/EFTA/EEA and most other European nationals this is simply covered by EHIC. For nationals from other countries insurance or other means of paying should be checked when they enter the UK. | |||
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"I think the billion that went to the DUP would have been better spent on the NHS, but sure, what ever keeps May in a job. I'm a big fan of the NHS and hope it gets sorted. All the people that have nothing but negativity to say about the NHS would soon change there mind when private medical costs started appearing on there door matt. Rant over, now to answer your question. It's not that there is too many people in Britain, its the amount of people that use the hospital. When you have waiting rooms full of people with running noses and a bit of cough, its going to get back logged. They set up a none emergency help line to deal with this but people still go to A and E when the GP is shut. Also, from what I understand and any NHS staff member can happily tell me I'm wrong. But the wages aren't good enough for the amount of hours they do and the good work they do. I do believe this is why we aren't attracting any new medical talent into our hospitals I do agree with this too
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Nurse's pay is between £20,000 and £32,400 with the average being about £24,000.
Junior Doctors pay is between £23,000 and £50,000 with the average being about £33,300.
Nurses pay from £22,000 band 5 to end scale of band 7 (sister) around £41,700 (Agenda for change, from April 2017).
I think its all swings and roundabouts with pay and the vocational professions. Social work was massively understaffed and pay was increased to attract students, now in my area a newly qualified social worker starts on 33k. Not a massive stretch to think those who might have gone for nursing or teaching have gone into social work instead because of better pay. And now nursing and teaching are understaffed..."Nursing has been understaffed for almost two decades - hence foreign recruitment drives. | |||
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"May be I'm being a bit simplistic but why can't the NHS set up it's own national lottery. I for one (And I don't buy lottery tickets) would be happy to buy a lottery ticket knowing the profits would go into NHS funding. And don't get me onto Hospital parking fee s !! It could work if the National Lottery was scrapped . Then just make a national health lottery and fuck Camelot off !! Why scrap Camelot. I don't think they could cope with the competition and would go out of business ! I think most people would be happy to switch allegiance for the same of the NHS. Sake Yes you could well be right . Good viewpoint . I actually think the government should look into this . It's a fantastic idea that's simple and would work
Would they have to bid for it the same as Camelot. Couldn't they just set it up. I have no idea of the mechanics of it. But just mindful of the money it could raise for such an important cause. Yes just set it up themselves . Set the jackpot at a fixed 1 Million Quid . Operate at around 50% profit that all goes straight to to Hospitals "you mean like the health lottery thats been going for years ? | |||
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"I cannot praise the nhs enough for overachieving as it does with the constraints forced upon it. The single biggest problem is not too many people. It's that chunks of the NHS are being sold off to private companies and any attempt to run it like a business is doomed to fail. Money is being spent by these companies on building rent, new computers etc and duplicating admin staff and the pot of money is gone before the half year is even out! Wages for the people that "do" are not reflecting their work and contribution. I truly cannot believe that it is allowed to go on like it has. There's so much more but just mentioning the above makes my blood boil... " Ok. Complaining about admin costs is always an easy cheap shot in the NHS but it's wrong. Take away the admin staff and the nurses have to spend time doing admin instead of nursing. There's an obvious problem with this: nurses are trained to nurse, they don't have admin skills so it takes much longer. They're also typically paid much more than admin so it costs more. I spend much of my working life trying to simplify admin pressures on clinical staff so they can do what they're good at. Helping new computer systems speed things up so now they have information live online instead of waiting for results or notes in the mail three days later. | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better " at least the eastern europeans work and graft. They do the jobs we lazy nation dont want too. Its letting people in that dont want too work that grips my shit!! Theyre the fuckers to blame. The damage is done so we can deal with it now. Labour would only see this problem increase more rapidly!! | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better at least the eastern europeans work and graft. They do the jobs we lazy nation dont want too. Its letting people in that dont want too work that grips my shit!! Theyre the fuckers to blame. The damage is done so we can deal with it now. Labour would only see this problem increase more rapidly!! " Either way labour and tory are both a joke!! | |||
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"They can start by making people pay to be seen if they're in A+E because they've been drinking too much. I have heard that 70% of cases are alcohol related." Fully agree with this...half of the rest are malingerers and time wasters...I’ve got a little cough, I bruised my elbow, I’ve got a splinter! Bloody well grow a set and use A and E for just that. Tge clue is in the name! ACCIDENT and EMERGENCY! And put proper funding into social care to remove bed blocking. It has been said that for every £1 spent on social care you can save £4 on primary care.....it’s a no brainier! | |||
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"For a small country as the UK, it is far too over populated, joining the eu and opening our borders for Eastern European immigration and immigrants from other countries has messed the country up, our welfare system is struggling, the NHS is struggling, education is struggling and we have a major housing crisis, we never had this problem before we opened up our borders to the eu etc, the eu is finished trust me, it is going to be a domino effect as other countries have had enough of mass migration and they want their own cultures back, the quicker this happens the better at least the eastern europeans work and graft. They do the jobs we lazy nation dont want too. Its letting people in that dont want too work that grips my shit!! Theyre the fuckers to blame. The damage is done so we can deal with it now. Labour would only see this problem increase more rapidly!! " I have never viewed the UK as a small country. I view the EU as a large community. Even more I view the world as one humanity. | |||
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"It'd be interesting to see a break down of where all the money goes. Also they should make it so profits from healthcare organisations are ploughed back into the NHS, should stop the tories from privatising the NHS on the quiet. Really? So those companies who spend billions on drug development the companies that make beds cookers cleaning machines chairs desks etc etc should have their profits confiscated for daring to provide work to others and a socially beneficial service that is required by millions of other people who use the nhs? That should work wonders for the unemployment figures and the tax take which funds the nhs! Pure genius "Healthcare organisations my dear chum | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ? Yes, the NHS was designed to treat the British; not immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe. Agree. That's the reason it's called the 'National health service' as it's meant to service this nation.
It's not called the 'World health service' and it's not meant to serve any Freeloading Tom, Dick or Harry that thinks they can just fly in here from anywhere in the world and get free treatment then fly back home. It's time to put a stop to Health tourism and there needs to be a serious zero tolerance crackdown on it.
And, if the NHS was treating immigrants, asylum seeks and the whole of Europe for free, you'd have a valid point but, as you already know, it doesn't. Most of Europe is covered by EHIC (European Health Insurance Card) which means any health costs for citizens from most of Europe (and all of the EU/EFTA/EEA) can be claimed back from the insurance/national health provider in their own country.
It's not just Europe though is it. Typical remainer not able to look beyond the borders of the EU. Health tourists come here to use the NHS from all around the world.
I've answered this question already for you on other threads and again just above on this. To clarify:- No foreign national is automatically entitled to free treatment on the NHS and it is a requirement of entry into the UK for all foreign nationals to make adequate provision for any likely medical costs or pre existing conditions. For EU/EFTA/EEA and most other European nationals this is simply covered by EHIC. For nationals from other countries insurance or other means of paying should be checked when they enter the UK."The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) scheme is a joke. It's been exposed in the press today that there is a huge amount of fraud in the system. Journalists applied for EHIC cards in the name of Donald Trump, Jeremy Hunt, Theresa May and Jean Claude Juncker with made up national insurance numbers and made up date of birth details, the cards were sent to the addresses provided through the post. If that wasn't bad enough the journalists even applied for a EHIC card with the first name 'Fake' and surname 'EHIC' again with fake national insurance number and fake date of birth, astonishingly the EHIC card was issued and the journalist got the card through the post with the name "Fake EHIC" on it. The press investigation into EHIC fraud exposed that EHIC scams are costing the NHS £20 million a year. The press investigation estimated these scams have cost the NHS more than £1 billion over the last decade. EU migrants have taken advantage of the loopholes to claim free healthcare across Europe with Britain picking up the bill. Many foreign families living in Britain have applied for and been issued with fake EHIC cards for their families and relatives back home in foreign EU countries who use the cards abroad then bill the NHS for it. On top of this the scandal of Health tourism from all over the world costs the NHS up to £2 billion a year. Last year an unnamed non-EU patient had treatment worth £532,498 at a Manchester hospital without being billed. Expectant mums flocking to Britain to give birth are estimated to cost the NHS around £16 million a year. In 2011 a Nigerian called Bimbo Ayelabola ran up a bill of £145,000 for caesarean section after travelling to Britain while pregnant with quins. She never paid a penny to the NHS for her treatment. You can continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is hunky dory if you want to but clearly these press investigations have exposed serious loopholes which foreigners are exploiting and Health tourism is costing the NHS billions. | |||
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" I've answered this question already for you on other threads and again just above on this. To clarify:- No foreign national is automatically entitled to free treatment on the NHS and it is a requirement of entry into the UK for all foreign nationals to make adequate provision for any likely medical costs or pre existing conditions. For EU/EFTA/EEA and most other European nationals this is simply covered by EHIC. For nationals from other countries insurance or other means of paying should be checked when they enter the UK." Have to say this is very naive. I have a friend who is from a non EU country. This is what he tells me his fellow nationals do. Show evidence of health insurance policy on entry - then cancel paying for it a week later (they were paying monthly) - now not insured - always get treated at hospital OR buy a forged health insurance policy in country of departure (which the border agency have no means of detecting whatsoever) and get treated at UK hospital. This is the REAL world - and it does cost us millions upon millions. | |||
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" I've answered this question already for you on other threads and again just above on this. To clarify:- No foreign national is automatically entitled to free treatment on the NHS and it is a requirement of entry into the UK for all foreign nationals to make adequate provision for any likely medical costs or pre existing conditions. For EU/EFTA/EEA and most other European nationals this is simply covered by EHIC. For nationals from other countries insurance or other means of paying should be checked when they enter the UK. Have to say this is very naive. I have a friend who is from a non EU country. This is what he tells me his fellow nationals do. Show evidence of health insurance policy on entry - then cancel paying for it a week later (they were paying monthly) - now not insured - always get treated at hospital OR buy a forged health insurance policy in country of departure (which the border agency have no means of detecting whatsoever) and get treated at UK hospital. This is the REAL world - and it does cost us millions upon millions." ^ Spot on | |||
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"Watchin Question Time last night and the debate was mainly the NHS. As much as I generally despise mr Morgan he had it spot on . Whilst the usual crap was being spouted by the Tory guy and the Labour Lady , Piers simply stated that Britain has too many people and not enough hospitals and staff to cope. Do you agree and is there ANY way of saving the NHS? ?" It doesn’t take a disgusting human like Morgan to point out the obvious fact that the nhs is under staffed. The reason for the understaffing is the issue. It doesn’t need saving as it’s not failing. It is being failed. I need resources and funds. Not asset stripping as per the nailor report that magpie may loves to reference to and do not get me started on Jeremy Cunt! | |||
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"£35 to prescribe a 50p box of paracetamol,that's what it costs. We wonder why it's short of money." Are you on smack? Your a factor of 10 out. It costs closer to £3.50 and paracetamol can be bought for about 19p. I wish people fact checked before they spouted shite. Admittedly it is an exorbitant amount but it is slowly being dealt with. | |||
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"All threads like this ultimate do is unearth a load of racist uneducated daily mail reading bigots " But it's my thread ?? And I'm neither uneducated or a Daily Mail reader , or racist  | |||
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"£35 to prescribe a 50p box of paracetamol,that's what it costs. We wonder why it's short of money. Are you on smack? Your a factor of 10 out. It costs closer to £3.50 and paracetamol can be bought for about 19p. I wish people fact checked before they spouted shite. Admittedly it is an exorbitant amount but it is slowly being dealt with." This is not just an NHS thing the mod gets over priced things forced on it by people who make lots of money by setting up these contracts ?? Only got to look at carillon ?? How about getting ppl to pay for services if it's drink or drugs related ? Might clear a&e for ppl who need the services ?? | |||
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" I've answered this question already for you on other threads and again just above on this. To clarify:- No foreign national is automatically entitled to free treatment on the NHS and it is a requirement of entry into the UK for all foreign nationals to make adequate provision for any likely medical costs or pre existing conditions. For EU/EFTA/EEA and most other European nationals this is simply covered by EHIC. For nationals from other countries insurance or other means of paying should be checked when they enter the UK. Have to say this is very naive. I have a friend who is from a non EU country. This is what he tells me his fellow nationals do. Show evidence of health insurance policy on entry - then cancel paying for it a week later (they were paying monthly) - now not insured - always get treated at hospital OR buy a forged health insurance policy in country of departure (which the border agency have no means of detecting whatsoever) and get treated at UK hospital. This is the REAL world - and it does cost us millions upon millions." It's even more naive to believe that any system can be made fully fraud proof. However, if the procedures for preventing fraud are not rigorous enough then they should be improved. Also there is not any country in the developed world that doesn't treat emergency cases regardless of whether entitlement to on going care or the ability to pay can be proved. Of course it would be naive to believe that some people won't take advantage of that but the alternative would be to leave people dying in the street or on the floor in the A&E waiting rooms. While i'm sure a few on here may be willing to see that happen I think most people around the country would find that unacceptable. | |||
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"Straight answer to problem is remove the Politicians from influencing the NHS. They are the problem as they only see it as a 4 year plan and don’t see it in the long term. " I've suggested it would serve the country better if it was a quango and have an all party agreement on % of GDP funding the NHS. | |||
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"All threads like this ultimate do is unearth a load of racist uneducated daily mail reading bigots But it's my thread ?? And I'm neither uneducated or a Daily Mail reader , or racist "In his defence mate he didn't call you an uneducated,dailymail reading racist, just that it unearths some of them.It also stops becoming your thread the second you press submit as it's a public forum. This government wants everyone blaming each other and causing division just so they can introduce more private firms to rip you all off even further. | |||
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"Privates the way forward 10 pound a month cheap as chips! " Then it will lighten the load of the undermanned nhs! | |||
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