FabSwingers.com forum: Bring back the death penalty

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yay or nay?

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By *exyspecs and supermanCouple
over a year ago

A house, a very big house in the country

Yes . Period.

Lethal injection.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Nope

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes for anybody who hurts a child

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

As far as I understand our justice system is based on rehabilitation rather than retribution .....

I guess it depends on what type of justice system you want....

The Norwegian model is criticised for being too cushy but has the lowest re-offending rate per capita anywhere in Europe .... Maybe we can learn something from this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does that then make the person pressing the button a murderer?

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does that then make the person pressing the button a murderer?

Mrs "

And this is why I am against the death penalty, plus also what if they are innocent?

Geeky x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because historically it's always worked so well and kept everyone safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, but only for limited types of cases with overwhelming evidence. If we cannot ascertain guilt then no form of punishment is appropriate. The question of capital punishment has nothing to do with wrongful convictions anymore than the question of life imprisonment does. Both are unjust and take life. You can't give 30 years back to someone wrongfully convicted. If they were talked in prison, you can't reverse that. You can't give them back their reputation, their dreams, their dignity, their youth, their health, and if they die in prison, their life.

Capital punishment is the only appropriate punishment for forced non-consensual sex, premeditated murder and child abuse. Wrongful convictions are another matter that needs addressing but bring back the guillotine.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus OP, nothing like a bit of light hearted Tuesday night conversation!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this another Well Hung thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No just life meaning life or the victim or family of victim get to beat them with a baseball bat.

Give them the choice

But only for the most serious crimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

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only if we get to vote on method of execution though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Killing someone is not the answer to anything and it is only a punishment to the family member of that person and it doesn't hurt the actual person who committed the crime...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. The while purpose of civilised society is to progress and guide it's community.

We're better than that. And as previously stated it's never brought back a victim.

Besides, those who've stared at and been around violent death, will know how horrid and wretched it is. Not in my name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How much investigating do they do with terrorists before they relese them and they go blow summat up

Cctv dna and all that other stuff is not infallable but its the best we got. looking back in history tho lot of inocent people went away for nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No."

Agree with lisa x

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

No. But life should mean that & we should have a ‘3 strikes’ rule or something similar, like the USA has.

Jon Venables, one of the boys who killed James Bulger has just been charged for the second time for possessing & distributing child pornography. If convicted, this will be his third serious crime.

IMO, rehabilitation isn’t possible for some people & in his instance, this ‘3rd strike’ should result in him forfeiting his freedom & spending the rest of his life behind bars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either.."

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prisons need to be made tougher and a place where you actually don’t want to be, if you are given life, you do life with no mod cons or anything, so it’s actusllt worse than the death penalty, the death penalty they get a way out in my eyes (and the person having to press the button is in fact in my eyes anyway still ending someone’s life) they might sit in death row for years and years but they still have an ending way before they was meant too. They need to rot in prison.

Geeky x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No.

Agree with lisa x"

Can life imprisonment be reversed if an innocent person dies in prison? Can being assaulted in prison be reversed?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No.

Agree with lisa x

Can life imprisonment be reversed if an innocent person dies in prison? Can being assaulted in prison be reversed? "

So we should not send anyone to prison in case they die? It's not only lifers that die and people die for a variety of reasons.

Don't get the relevance of the assault comment I have to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prisons are like holiday camps these days. Full of 1970s entertainers.

Carry on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and no!

But would it deter anyone if it was in place? No!

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"Prisons need to be made tougher and a place where you actually don’t want to be, if you are given life, you do life with no mod cons or anything, so it’s actusllt worse than the death penalty, the death penalty they get a way out in my eyes (and the person having to press the button is in fact in my eyes anyway still ending someone’s life) they might sit in death row for years and years but they still have an ending way before they was meant too. They need to rot in prison.

Geeky x"

As someone who has represented lots of criminals, I can assure you that they hate going to prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Capital punishment doesn't deter violent crime elsewhere so I see little point in its reintroduction info society.

For the worst of the worst, I'd prefer to see life actually mean life, and for the prisons be a place of punishment, rather than relative comfort.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"No. But life should mean that & we should have a ‘3 strikes’ rule or something similar, like the USA has.

Jon Venables, one of the boys who killed James Bulger has just been charged for the second time for possessing & distributing child pornography. If convicted, this will be his third serious crime.

IMO, rehabilitation isn’t possible for some people & in his instance, this ‘3rd strike’ should result in him forfeiting his freedom & spending the rest of his life behind bars."

And how will that be funded? Housing offenders is very expensive and the prison service is in its knees funding wise now, let alone housing people because they're on their 3rd strike.

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By *r Potato HeadMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No."

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By *ally_weaverMan
over a year ago

Stoneyburn

Yes.

As long as anyone involved in giving the penalty or delivering the fatal dose is also given the death penalty for the willful taking of life. And then they get murdered too and so on until no one wants to take that job anymore.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

Reoffending rate are so high because traditionally designed prisons and attitudes do not limit the spread of the corrosive criminal prison subculture that dominates these institutions.

Instead of wing in Norwegian prisons prisoners live in small "pod" communities within the prison which limits the spread of the corrosive criminal prison subculture. Despite the seriousness of their crimes the prisoners cells had televisions, computers, integral showers and sanitation.

Yet Norway has at less than 30%, the lowest reoffending rate per capita in Europe and less than half the rate in the UK.

Additionally it take 3 years to train a prison officer in Norway rather than the 6 weeks it takes in the UK

Go figure.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Geeky x

As someone who has represented lots of criminals, I can assure you that they hate going to prison. "

Fair enough

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Reoffending rate are so high because traditionally designed prisons and attitudes do not limit the spread of the corrosive criminal prison subculture that dominates these institutions.

Yet Norway has at less than 30%, the lowest reoffending rate per capita in Europe and less than half the rate in the UK.

Additionally it take 3 years to train a prison officer in Norway rather than the 6 weeks it takes in the UK

Go figure.....

It's not 6 weeks training here.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work! "

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No.

Agree with lisa x

Can life imprisonment be reversed if an innocent person dies in prison? Can being assaulted in prison be reversed?

So we should not send anyone to prison in case they die? It's not only lifers that die and people die for a variety of reasons.

Don't get the relevance of the assault comment I have to say."

What does LIFE imprisonment mean to you? It means you are locked up until you DIE as a punishment! So if you punish someone by locking them up until they DIE, you cannot reverse that, simple. So why aren't you against locking innocent people up until they die?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

There's perfect evidence of the lack of the deterrent effect in the USA. Some states have the death penalty, some don't. The states with the death penalty have a higher murder rate than states without.

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By *ilk_TrayMan
over a year ago

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Agree ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

It deters that criminal forever, effectively. We're talking about punishment not people who haven't committed a crime. Are you saying that if you lived in a village of 3 people and one killed the another, you wouldn't punish them because there's nobody to 'deter'? You're not being consistent. We don't punish to deter, we punish to punish. It's called justice! Prevention is all the education you receive from birth about right and wrong. Now, are you saying that prison works as a deterrent? Why do people still go to prison then? Ok so why do you support prison sentences when clearly is not working as a deterrent? Inconsistent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blimey what prompted this question, so let me get this right you want to punish murder by doing another murder?

So in effect your saying it’s wrong to do something unless Your the government.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No.

Agree with lisa x

Can life imprisonment be reversed if an innocent person dies in prison? Can being assaulted in prison be reversed?

So we should not send anyone to prison in case they die? It's not only lifers that die and people die for a variety of reasons.

Don't get the relevance of the assault comment I have to say.

Where did I say that?!

I think you're too keen to say something controversial to worry about making any sense personally. Maybe take a bit more time to think about it.

My point was that it isn't just people who are given life sentences that die in prison. There is also fact that many who die in prison do so of natural causes, not at the decision of someone playing God.

The very fact that there are miscarriages of justice and over turned convictions show that there is no way the death penalty can be reinstated.

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By *lanPartridgeMan
over a year ago

nottingham

It certainly works in America, with it's low murder rate.

Actually the question is academic: it's off the statute book. Barring a coup, it's gone baby.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Nope. The purpose of prison is rehabilitation. There are many courses etc that are offered to help offenders show that they are reformed characters and that they can use at their parole boards to get out once their minimum term has been served

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a nay, for all the reasons already listed.

Perhaps if sentences were actually proper sentences, this would be a deterrent ie a 6 yr sentence you do 6 yrs ....not 18 months/2yrs then out on tag.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

I don't view killing anyone as a good thing. The only justification for killing anyone is if stops a greater number of people being killed. Thus the only justification for capital punishment would be if it deterred murder more than sentence of imprisonment. As it doesn't there is no justification for it.

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

It does not determine others from carrying out crimes where the sentence if caught is death..

It only seeks to pander to the base need within some for blood..

And when its shown later that the person whose life is taken by the state is found not to have been guilty?

What then?

Oh sorry err well don't worry we will sort that out by taking another life if we get the right person..?

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Yes

Also thieves chop their hands off etc.

The U.K. is too soft and seem to be on the criminals side, plus capital punishment might make people think twice before committing a crime.

Also apply it to animal cruelty!

Wish I was running the country!!!

Steps off soap box now!

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By *hatterley64Couple
over a year ago

Hertford

"Yay or nay?"

Nay

Those guilty of the most heinous crimes should be kept alive to use for medical experimentation instead of innocent animals...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Geeky x

As someone who has represented lots of criminals, I can assure you that they hate going to prison. "

Just like the vile creature that had offended 15 times and kept getting released and then mugged me and punched me in the face and stole my engagement ring and phone.He laughed in court and said he couldn't wait to go back as it was easier in there than it was out here x

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Capital punishment doesn't deter violent crime elsewhere so I see little point in its reintroduction info society.

For the worst of the worst, I'd prefer to see life actually mean life, and for the prisons be a place of punishment, rather than relative comfort. "

A question for you. Have you ever lost someone to a violent murderer such as The Yorkshire Ripper? I have a friend who worked with the brother of the youngest victim he butchered, Jane McDonald, she was 16 years old. Her brother never got over it, her father eventually passed away with grief. Meanwhile Peter Sutcluffe was alive and healthy in a psychiatric hospital. So very unfair, he should have been executed.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Nay!

If we look at evidence from America then it proves not to be a deterrent, is actually very costly (life imprisonment is cheaper) and I'd argue that in lots and lots of ways is racist. Those who come from socially unequal backgrounds and communities are far more likely to be put to death imo.

I don't want anyone killed in my name.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wait untill we dont have to follow the european court of human rights in 2022 thats when prisons will get tougher.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I would take a lot of social and political courage to change our penal system to one that actually works wit low reoffending rates. However I don't believe that politicians and the general public have the courage for that as it challenges preconceptions and looks to be counterintuitive. As there seems to be a blood lust for revenge and retribution rather than genuine rehabilitation.

If we treat people like animals when they are in prison they are more likely to behave like animals on release. You don't change people by the use of power or force. If you give prisoners respect and this way it can teach them to respect others so that when they are released they are less likely to commit more crimes. That is justice for all society.

This flies counter to the lock em up and throw away the key brigade....

But It actually works

But I don't think our society has the guts to change and so we live with the consequences of our broken privatised penal system which is more about money that rehabilitating and changing prisoners lives for the better of all in society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China"

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate"

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ...

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By *hebagsCouple
over a year ago

worcestershire

Don,t get me started

Cut there fingers off

for pinching.

So we can see who the theives are

Been burgled several times !!!!

Counrtys gone mad,the police told me to go

Around the ,car boots to see if I can see my tools ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing. "

Tell that to the families of victims. I want all my murdered relatives avenged. I want their murderers dead. Now is it a good thing when we refuse to punish murderers and leave a family full of angry people who feel they have not seen justice. No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with the death penalty in certain cases,but lets be honest and call it what it is........Public Revenge.And as for that Warboys guy getting parole smmfh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ..."

The UK murder rate is 3 times higher than Saudi Arabia. Guess who severs the heads of murderers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ..."

Not arguing with your point totally agree it wont change awt sometimes desperate people do desperate things dosnt make it right but if u keep repeating the same mistakes it should increase the level of punnishment.

Even if it was brought back no judge would be brave enough to use the max punnishment option unless left with no other choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

There are many families who feel that another death will resolve nothing. Not everyone feels the same with loss. One size doesn't fit all.

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"Yay or nay?"

Absofuckinglutely not!!!

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I would suggest you take a good look at the Norwegian penal model and see why they have the lowest percentage reoffending rate in Europe.

Over 50% lower than the UK

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By *lanPartridgeMan
over a year ago

nottingham

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ...

The UK murder rate is 3 times higher than Saudi Arabia. Guess who severs the heads of murderers? "

It's an absolute state. Therefore low murder rate. Other than by the state. Absolute states are very law abiding.

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By *lanPartridgeMan
over a year ago

nottingham

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ...

The UK murder rate is 3 times higher than Saudi Arabia. Guess who severs the heads of murderers?

It's an absolute state. Therefore low murder rate. Other than by the state. Absolute states are very law abiding. "

But ... Not a good idea ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For example if a guy punched another guy during a fight and killed him will he get max punnishment no he would get 5-7 yrs at the very most.

Should he be killed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone. "

Yes, if it pays a good salary, why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone. "

Im not in favour but at the end of the day its a job as long as paid well enough they will be plenty willing to do it.

Dosnt make them evil or sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

There are some people who cannot be rehabilitated. They pose the greatest risk to society and should be locked away permanently for the safety of others.

However, inversting in effective rehabilitation, education and training would be a far better use of public money rather than just locking people up. Bear in mind that if we tackle the root causes of crime, crime will be less prevalent.

Sexual offences is a seperate case and tougher sentences should be used as a deterrent.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I'm curious to know why some people here are so keen on retribution as in an eye for an eye when it has been proven time and time again that it neither acts as a deterrent or is effective.

Is it primal blood lust...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For example if a guy punched another guy during a fight and killed him will he get max punnishment no he would get 5-7 yrs at the very most.

Should he be killed?

No that's unintentional. Premeditated murder is no accident. Personally in in favour of giving the family of the victim the authority to choose death or blood money compensation or imprisonment. There need not be an execution for every single murder, but it definitely should not be ruled out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would think it would be same salary as armed forces type plus mental support and checkups

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eye for an eye.

If a thief loses a hand for stealing, I bet he/she won't steal anymore... Or caught more than twice...

If they have physical proof, admission or vid evidence, then the crime they commit should come back on them 10 times over. If they shoot someone, shoot them back...

Prisons are over crowded, a tax burden, and too soft/cushy. Not to mention they over work the judicial system with all the appeals...

Just my thoughts..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but get rid of concurrent sentences. Mind you, the cost means it'll never happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

There are many families who feel that another death will resolve nothing. Not everyone feels the same with loss. One size doesn't fit all."

I agree. I think under some circumstances the family should be given the right to choose execution or forgiveness outright. Not only do I support capital punishment, I support the right for the family to forgive the killer and set them free in exceptional circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Geeky x

As someone who has represented lots of criminals, I can assure you that they hate going to prison.

This is very relevant. Rehabilitation has a very low success rate. Whilst the potential execution of an innocent person is horrific, far more offenders subsequently re-offend on release, including serious sex crimes, paedos and murderers. A state sanctioned execution is not 'another murder', it is a lawful homicide.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

There are many families who feel that another death will resolve nothing. Not everyone feels the same with loss. One size doesn't fit all.

The UK penal system is based on rehabilitation not retribution...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either.."

What about the people that are murdered after someone has been released? Are they anymore alive? Could their life have been spared if there murderer was executed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

There are many families who feel that another death will resolve nothing. Not everyone feels the same with loss. One size doesn't fit all.

The UK penal system is based on rehabilitation not retribution...

....and fails repeatedley

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone. "

Absolutely I would!

What you need to consider is did the murderer think twice before he/she murdered their victim? Of course they didn’t!

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I'm a bit mixed about this one... I think it SHOULD be considered for repeat offenders of serious crimes where there is overwhelming evidence.

At the same time, I don't think I could be the one to cause their death.

(Unless, of course, they hurt one of my kids - in which case, you'd have a hard job stopping me!).

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

There are many families who feel that another death will resolve nothing. Not everyone feels the same with loss. One size doesn't fit all.

The UK penal system is based on rehabilitation not retribution...

....and fails repeatedley"

Because it is underfunded and poorly managed at government level.

There needs to be greater investment in people and buildings and a major change in attitude in how we treat prisoners so that reoffending rates can be reduced

As the really high reoffending rates are a crime against all in society.

I would suggest the throw away the key brigade do some serious study in justice and penal systems that actually are effective rather than just making sweeping statements...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone.

Im not in favour but at the end of the day its a job as long as paid well enough they will be plenty willing to do it.

Dosnt make them evil or sick"

I just think it’s rather easy to sit behind a screen and proclaim to the world you’re in favour of killing someone.

In reality I’d guess given the chance most wouldn’t have the balls to do it.

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By *all-Eddies QosCouple
over a year ago

wirral

"Yes, but only for limited types of cases with overwhelming evidence. If we cannot ascertain guilt then no form of punishment is appropriate. The question of capital punishment has nothing to do with wrongful convictions anymore than the question of life imprisonment does. Both are unjust and take life. You can't give 30 years back to someone wrongfully convicted. If they were talked in prison, you can't reverse that. You can't give them back their reputation, their dreams, their dignity, their youth, their health, and if they die in prison, their life.

This!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone.

Absolutely I would!

What you need to consider is did the murderer think twice before he/she murdered their victim? Of course they didn’t! "

Have you ever shot anyone? Taken a calculated decision and taken up the pressure in the trigger, then watched someone drop, some times dying in horrible gasping gurgling breaths, as they foam at the mouth? Think what you've just written.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anyone tell me a country where the death sentence has been proven to be a factor in reducing crime? The death sentence is about vengeance not justice and has no place in a civilised world?

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone.

Absolutely I would!

What you need to consider is did the murderer think twice before he/she murdered their victim? Of course they didn’t!

Deepblue - I thought about it before I wrote my comment, I always do!

Yes I imagine shotgun death will cause that bodily reaction.

No I haven’t shot anyone but I would be happy to do it if his/her crime fitted the punishment.

Think what you wrote! Have you any thought for the victim? I have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ..."

Throughout this thread you have used words like rehabilitation and keep referencing the 'justice' system but like most bleeding hearters I think that the definition of the word justice has escaped you and most people who are against capital punishment. The fact that many people have called a potential executioner as a murderer is a perfect example of this.

The definition of justice in the dictionary simply says: Justice is fairness in the way that people are treated. So is it fair for any criminal to be given ANYTHING and that includes the right to live if they have deprived another person that ability?

Let alone the then discussion of the potentials of crimes like burglary where a criminal can potentially deprive a working class person of their property, then go into prison and gain qualifications that the taxpayer pays for, comes out of prison and is actively found employment, and then earns far more than the person he or she robbed this is your rehabilitation but I would not view as just!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ...

So to clarify a prisoner who leaves prison with a qualification and gains employment has been failed by the prison system? Or am I missing the point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, if proven without any room for doubt, that the person is guilty.

Murderers, serial rapists, paedophiles, child and animal abusers, high profile drug dealers, those that twist religion or ideology to incite violence. No one would miss them if they just disappeared.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ..."

Statistic.

USA Has the highest number of guns per household and the lowest I.Q.too so its no wonder theirs is high.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ...

Statistic.

USA Has the highest number of guns per household and the lowest I.Q.too so its no wonder theirs is high."

You do realize that their are SOO many ways to go with that comment...

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"Yay or nay?"

Nope.

But sentencing for paedophilia etc should be far more stringent.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate

But they also have the highest percentage murder rate ...

So to clarify a prisoner who leaves prison with a qualification and gains employment has been failed by the prison system? Or am I missing the point?"

And in reality, that happens on how many occasions?

Number released against those who take up employment.

You will be very disappointed with the numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now - this may sound controversial but I once took part in a serious debate and I had to convince an audience that upon 3rd COURT CONVICTION for defined criminal offences, the death penalty should be manadatory. It was a fascinating subject to look into as, when you take into account all disposal options not involving court and the average number of times a person commits an offence before being caught etc then upon 3rd conviction they are, without doubt, an absolute serial criminal and of no use to society - so kill them.

I should add, it was not necessarily my personal view but it didn't half raise some interesting issues - and over 60% of the audience voted for it at the end!

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

No.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mandatory

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By *lanPartridgeMan
over a year ago

nottingham

Whatever your views: you know from this thread, like the Brexit threads, who you would and would not get along with: unlike other threads. Fascinating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone.

Absolutely I would!

What you need to consider is did the murderer think twice before he/she murdered their victim? Of course they didn’t!

So who mentioned firing squads?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone tell me a country where the death sentence has been proven to be a factor in reducing crime? The death sentence is about vengeance not justice and has no place in a civilised world?"

All very well and good but you forgot one crucial thing - we don't live in a civilised world! Anyone that thinks we do is deluded - open your eyes and take a good look around - the worst bloodshed, murder, abuse etc. in human history has happened the "more civilised" we have supposedly become

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

does not work in the countries that have it..

and innocent people executed don't get up and walk either..

Neither do innocent people who die in prison, but you're not against that.

And what do you mean it doesn't work?? Those swords definitely chop heads off, they work!

Gross assumption considering the issue of innocent people being banged up at all wasn't raised..

Doesn't work as a deterrent..

Punishing for the sake of it is just revenge. That's not a good thing.

There are many families who feel that another death will resolve nothing. Not everyone feels the same with loss. One size doesn't fit all.

The UK penal system is based on rehabilitation not retribution...

....and fails repeatedley

Because it is underfunded and poorly managed at government level.

There needs to be greater investment in people and buildings and a major change in attitude in how we treat prisoners so that reoffending rates can be reduced

As the really high reoffending rates are a crime against all in society.

I would suggest the throw away the key brigade do some serious study in justice and penal systems that actually are effective rather than just making sweeping statements... "

I don't doubt you as pretty much the whole public sector is mismanaged. However, it is the individual who chooses to re-offend rather than learn from their mistakes. Some will turn their life around but pitifully few for the effort expended.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

CCTV, DNA and let's not forget good old police corruption. It's a controversial subject, but it does happen in the real world as well as movies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

Yeah just look at the American states that still have the death penalty. Fantastic deterrent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

Yeah just look at the American states that still have the death penalty. Fantastic deterrent. "

It's a complicated subject - the "gun culture" in America (combined with the fact they are all psychotic because of what the Govt. puts in the water

) makes any comparison with the USA pretty futile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

Yeah just look at the American states that still have the death penalty. Fantastic deterrent. "

100% success rate on re-offending though.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

I wonder how much time in prison all those who say it's "cushy" have spent....

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By *.H.SMan
over a year ago

London

Until there’s a miscarriage in justice then dead people don’t come back alive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No."

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

Yeah just look at the American states that still have the deal h penalty. Fantastic deterrent.

It's a complicated subject - the "gun culture" in America (combined with the fact they are all psychotic because of what the Govt. puts in the water

) makes any comparison with the USA pretty futile."

You can compare death penalty states with non death penalty states in the USA. The former have higher murder rates.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

"Whatever your views: you know from this thread, like the Brexit threads, who you would and would not get along with: unlike other threads. Fascinating.

This has been a thought-provoking debate, with lots of interesting points.

I would urge everyone see this discussion as a conversation among friends, who respect eachother's differences, and go forward still as friends.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

What about offering a euthanasia service to convicted killer's, there maybe some who would welcome the opportunity to be put to death?

For those who are convicted of heinous crime's and are not sorry for their actions or show no remorse.

A chemical labotomy?

Just food for thought,not my opinion just a different option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever your views: you know from this thread, like the Brexit threads, who you would and would not get along with: unlike other threads. Fascinating.

This has been a thought-provoking debate, with lots of interesting points.

I would urge everyone see this discussion as a conversation among friends, who respect eachother's differences, and go forward still as friends.

Definitely taking Lisa's advice here

A bit scary to think any of us can narrow down a prospect of meeting on the judgement of an opinion on a forum lol

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

This sadly will never come back or be thought of, I say sadly as it was to a lesser degree somewhat of a deterrent.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I've voiced my opinion on this subject before.

It's a no from me. There are miscarriages of justice as it is. At least someone can be let out of prison.

And then there's the moral question of who does the killing and are they any better.

And who decides which crimes are heinous enough to warrant it?

Too many possibilities for mistakes and murder is murder, whether legalised or not .

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By *evilishone69Man
over a year ago

fleet

In one way I say yes relieve the strain on our prisons and resources etc but the biggest underlying problem is our jury’s there made up of anyone and through experience of another the guilty get to go free on a person who has no experience or pure facts and the same can be said the other way round a innocent person being put down because someone on the street decides it

So yes in theory it’s great but in reality really would you be happy to see an inocent mother father child etc be killed because a person on a jury decides it because a very good barrister spins a great story

Think about it then decide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

Yeah just look at the American states that still have the death penalty. Fantastic deterrent. "

It deters the convicted murderer. Isn't that why you lock people up - to get them off the streets and away from people they may harm? Right, well the death penalty does the same.

Clearly prison isn't working either. Those states have prison too. Why isn't prison deterring crime? Why only mention that the death penalty isn't deterring crime?

They have the death penalty because they have high murder rates, simple. All that shows is that the higher the murders, the more likely the state will keep the death penalty. Unless you're claiming that having the death penalty actually causes the murders. Those places aren't violent because of the death penalty; they have the death penalty because it's violent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

Check your figures! Look at murder rate before and since capital punishment was abolished! Just saying!!

Check murder rates in USA in states where they do/don’t have death penalty.

Come back with the figures!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't bring back the death penalty but I would bring back hard labour breaking rocks in a quarry for 10 hours a day.

I think those that have done despicable crimes should at least face a long long long long boring backbreaking agonising existence

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By *eothelionMan
over a year ago

chester

For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No. It is barbaric and no one has the right to take another's life. If it's to revenge murder it is matching the wrong of the murder when justice should be above that of the criminal. It is not appropriate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons?

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By *itmanAndHerrCouple
over a year ago

st helens

We'll never have the death penalty back, and for good reason.

Rather lock the person up without privileges for the rest of their days. Let them suffer the consequences for the error of their ways.

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By *itmanAndHerrCouple
over a year ago

st helens

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons? "

Wow. You'd kill people because the prisons are overcrowded?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nay. With such passion you’ll not know what’s hit you. How can we ever condone this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons?

Wow. You'd kill people because the prisons are overcrowded?

Did you see the question mark?!.. i didn't say I'd kill anyone .i was answering a question.

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By *itmanAndHerrCouple
over a year ago

st helens

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons?

Wow. You'd kill people because the prisons are overcrowded?

Did you see the question mark?!.. i didn't say I'd kill anyone .i was answering a question. "

I didn't say you'd kill anyone. I asked if you would based on your reply. I'm asking for clarification. See the question mark.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons?

Wow. You'd kill people because the prisons are overcrowded?

Did you see the question mark?!.. i didn't say I'd kill anyone .i was answering a question.

I didn't say you'd kill anyone. I asked if you would based on your reply. I'm asking for clarification. See the question mark."

Clarification..I answered a question.. you can't deny it would lower the population in prisons ..you replied asking me a question which I answered

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"I’d be curious to know of those who are in favour of bringing back the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the trigger, deliver the injection, thrust the knife or swing the sword?

I imagine it’s rather easy to say you’re in favour until you’re stood there pointing a gun at someone. "

Yes, it's not something I'd do lightly but I am trained for it through time in uniform so wouldn't lose any sleep over putting down the likes of Ian Huntley, Roy Whiting, Rose West etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most definitely yes. We put dogs to sleep that cause injury and yet house, feed and care for scum that kill. Knife attacks conducted by those with no moral compass, terrorists guided by their twisted logic and religious rhetoric.

It is the states responsibility to care for and protect its citizens. Capital punishment should be part of that care procedure.

People say it’s uncivilised to execute criminals,

I believe it’s civilised to do so.

Having said that though, I would only condone its use with 100% proof of guilt via forensic evidence.

But it will never happen. We don’t have balls or backbone anymore.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Most definitely yes. We put dogs to sleep that cause injury and yet house, feed and care for scum that kill. Knife attacks conducted by those with no moral compass, terrorists guided by their twisted logic and religious rhetoric.

It is the states responsibility to care for and protect its citizens. Capital punishment should be part of that care procedure.

People say it’s uncivilised to execute criminals,

I believe it’s civilised to do so.

Having said that though, I would only condone its use with 100% proof of guilt via forensic evidence.

But it will never happen. We don’t have balls or backbone anymore.

There's also no such thing as 100% proof.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Too big a mine field. Innocent people getting executed is a possibilty. On the flip side there are a few lifers who should be 6 feet under. I am honestly glad it's not my decision.

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By *itmanAndHerrCouple
over a year ago

st helens

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons?

Wow. You'd kill people because the prisons are overcrowded?

Did you see the question mark?!.. i didn't say I'd kill anyone .i was answering a question.

I didn't say you'd kill anyone. I asked if you would based on your reply. I'm asking for clarification. See the question mark.

Clarification..I answered a question.. you can't deny it would lower the population in prisons ..you replied asking me a question which I answered

I'm just amazed someone would justify the death penalty with reducing overpopulation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. Definitely not.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

I accept that no justice or penal system is perfect and people can always point out individual cases. However if we had a system where we could reduce the reoffending rate by 50 % this would cut the current prison population which is about 84000.

England and Wales the reconvictions rates are more than 70% with an average cost of £40,000 a year for each prisoner, this amounts to a huge investment in failure and a total lack of consideration for potential future victims of released prisoners.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

This is not being cushy or soft or bleeding' heart. It is doing what works but not necessarily popular.

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By *taffs_hotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Not read the whole thread but it’s a no from us.

Times have changed and progressed since the days of the ducking stool and hanging.

The death penalty serves no purpose and nobody should be expected to have to carry out such a thing in this day and age v

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By *ranimallxl5Man
over a year ago

Winchester

Just bring back the stocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Does it bring back a murder victim? No.

Can it be reversed if the convicted person is proven innocent? No."

Only kill convicted murders who are 100 % guilty like serial killers and mass murders who have confessed and are saying that a voice told them to do it.!

Wouldn't wast and injection on them just slit there thoughts.

If there absolutely gulty that is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not read the whole thread but it’s a no from us.

Times have changed and progressed since the days of the ducking stool and hanging.

The death penalty serves no purpose and nobody should be expected to have to carry out such a thing in this day and age v"
lol the world is still a fuckd up place even with the addvance in technology wake up! Theres should be no starving babies and children being killed in conflict of wars of aggression its worser than the middle ages with nukes and weapons of mass distractions brainwashed populations thinking where in a utopian wold!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Does that then make the person pressing the button a murderer?

Mrs "

No, the legal definition of murder is the illegal killing of a human being by another. Execution by the state/crown following due process of law is a legal killing so does not fit the definition of being illegal required for it to be murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh he's innocent?

Too bad, tell his wife and 4 young children he's dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

This is not being cushy or soft or bleeding' heart. It is doing what works but not necessarily popular."
unjustified ways of life poverty gap and the injustice in society is the real reason crimes and master criminals are created because of the unfair system we life in!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How are you going to guarantee any of that?

The evidence from the US, where some states have capital punishment and some don't, shows no significant difference in murder rates between States that do and don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

It addresses the over population in prisons?

Wow. You'd kill people because the prisons are overcrowded?

Did you see the question mark?!.. i didn't say I'd kill anyone .i was answering a question.

I didn't say you'd kill anyone. I asked if you would based on your reply. I'm asking for clarification. See the question mark.

Clarification..I answered a question.. you can't deny it would lower the population in prisons ..you replied asking me a question which I answered

I'm just amazed someone would justify the death penalty with reducing overpopulation.

I would rather have hardernd criminals being exicuted than babys and children suffering in unjust wars and conflicts justified by greed anyday!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The death penalty is only applied on those whom it does not deter. All forms of punishment, rehabilitation etc. are applied on those who are not deterred by it. Are people really saying that the death penalty causes the crime? Prevention of crimes has zero to do with the penal system and belongs to proper education and proper methods of working with people who are likely to offend. It has NOTHING to do with the death penalty. It's not about deterring other people it's about responding to those who have already crossed the line!

But let's say we persist in this false relation.. Every single individual who does not commit the crime can be considered to have been deterred by the death penalty in those states. Unless you're saying everyone commits murder. Let's get the numbers of those people and compare to those who were not deterred. All who do not murder have been deterred, case closed, it works!

Once you commit premeditated murder you do NOT deserve rehabilitation or to live unless it's an exceptional circumstance where the family of the victim can forgive. Otherwise, off with their murdering heads.

Capital punishment is exactly that, punishment. You murder, you die too. That's justice.

Does rehabilitation bring the dead victim back? No! So I don't get why people bring up these arguments towards the death penalty. Simple justice, you kill, you get killed. I don't see why we have so much compassion for cold blooded murderers. Funny thing is that while people want to rehabilitate murderers and coddle them, they call those who support death penalty immoral, cruel, evil, wrong, murderers themselves etc.

Oh well. This is an interesting topic overall. Great thoughts and opinions being shared. It clearly matters that we got/get this right.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

This is not being cushy or soft or bleeding' heart. It is doing what works but not necessarily popular. unjustified ways of life poverty gap and the injustice in society is the real reason crimes and master criminals are created because of the unfair system we life in!

Addressing the causes of crime is far more effective and cost efficient than dealing with after effects of crime.

But no politician will ever step up with the courage to change things for the better because it is not a seemingly quick fix and the popular thing to do. As it requires long term investment.

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By *easing_twoCouple
over a year ago

Bristol, Thornbury

Sure bring it back and turnoff hands of shoplifters... you can't tell by text but I'm being sarcastic. Anything like that and at some point innocent people will be put to death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

Addressing the causes of crime is far more effective and cost efficient than dealing with after effects of crime.

But no politician will ever step up with the courage to change things for the better because it is not a seemingly quick fix and the popular thing to do. As it requires long term investment."
politics and politicians are just puppets. Think jfk the only us president trying to make a real change got assinated for trying to do so.!

Its all fixed the world is ran by a few hundred pure evil people who are satanist.!

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

Addressing the causes of crime is far more effective and cost efficient than dealing with after effects of crime.

But no politician will ever step up with the courage to change things for the better because it is not a seemingly quick fix and the popular thing to do. As it requires long term investment. politics and politicians are just puppets. Think jfk the only us president trying to make a real change got assinated for trying to do so.!

Its all fixed the world is ran by a few hundred pure evil people who are satanist.! "

Well that is an intriguing world view... I can see you will go far....

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

Addressing the causes of crime is far more effective and cost efficient than dealing with after effects of crime.

But no politician will ever step up with the courage to change things for the better because it is not a seemingly quick fix and the popular thing to do. As it requires long term investment. politics and politicians are just puppets. Think jfk the only us president trying to make a real change got assinated for trying to do so.!

Its all fixed the world is ran by a few hundred pure evil people who are satanist.! "

JFK?

This isn't america.

I've no problem with the satanists - they seem a lot less violent and bloodthirsty than the Christians - you've got to watch those bastards, they have no morals.

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By *easing_twoCouple
over a year ago

Bristol, Thornbury

"Sure bring it back and turnoff hands of shoplifters... you can't tell by text but I'm being sarcastic. Anything like that and at some point innocent people will be put to death."

*cut ofg

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By *easing_twoCouple
over a year ago

Bristol, Thornbury

Proxy autocorrect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh he's innocent?

Too bad, tell his wife and 4 young children he's dead."

Yeah, because he died after 50 years in prison.

Wife remarried and children don't care about him because of the heinous nature of the crime for which he was wrongly convicted. No less unjust.

The problem of wrongful conviction has nothing to do with the punishments for crimes. If you cannot accurately ascertain guilt then NO punishment is fair, none!

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By *ornylittlesubWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

"An eye for an eye"

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

"An eye for an eye" "

Makes the whole world blind?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

And anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Just wait untill we dont have to follow the european court of human rights in 2022 thats when prisons will get tougher."

There are no plans to leave The European Court Of Human Rights in 2022 or anytime there after and the European Court Of Human Rights is based on The European Convention On Human Rights which in turn is the mechanism used in the UK to implement the UN's Declaration Of Human Rights which does allow for executions. So, if we wanted to reintroduce capital punishment we could do so without leaving either the European Convention or Court Of Human Rights.

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By *ornylittlesubWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

"For anyone who supports the death penalty give me a single justification?

"An eye for an eye"

Makes the whole world blind?"

Only if everyone sins

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I've never seen an executed murderer get up and murder again. So it sounds like a pretty damn good deterrent and reoffending prevention tool to me.

... but countries with the death penalty have far higher rates of murder. I'm thinking specifically of the US and China

You picked the 2 highest populations of corse the have a higher murder rate"

I don't know about China but, in the case of the US, the murder rate per head of population is higher than here.

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By *ornylittlesubWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

"No.

And anyone who says otherwise is wrong."

In your opinion? Or is this fact?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

And anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

In your opinion? Or is this fact?"

Fact.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"No.

And anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

In your opinion? Or is this fact?"

I concur. It's fact.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I remember reading about a soldier that stabbed his parents, girlfriend and threatened his child. He was spared jail because he was a "good gunner" and given a two year suspended sentence.

My financial advisor was given eight years for tax fraud.

Wouldn't trust the judges.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh he's innocent?

Too bad, tell his wife and 4 young children he's dead.

Yeah, because he died after 50 years in prison.

Wife remarried and children don't care about him because of the heinous nature of the crime for which he was wrongly convicted. No less unjust.

The problem of wrongful conviction has nothing to do with the punishments for crimes. If you cannot accurately ascertain guilt then NO punishment is fair, none! "

And since you cannot have 100% certainty in 100% of the cases, wrongful conviction has everything to do with punishment.

New evidence is found years after trial, and if so happens it was a wrongful conviction, you killed an innocent person.

You CANNOT have death penalty without flawless trials, and reality is you can't have flawless trials.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes.

Technology today such as cctv.dna and so on can prove undoubtedly that someone is guilty of a crime.so if there's no doubt and they have done a despicable crime then the death penalty should be used.

Prisons are more like holiday camps now thanks to the pc world idiots and people wonder why the rates reoffending is as high as it is.Theres no real harsh punishments anymore.

I garrentee if punishments for crime was more severe then there would be a lot less crime and I also garrentee if there was the death penalty then there would be less murders x

How do you explain one of the lowest reoffending rates in a country that has no death penalty or life sentence.

Harsh sentences and punishment regimes have proven not to be a deterrent or even effective in reducing recidivism.

We all need to step away from the lock em up throw away the key / Chop their heads off attitudes whilst being a popular stand clearly do not work and is so expensive to maintain.

Much better to look at systems that have much more success

Addressing the causes of crime is far more effective and cost efficient than dealing with after effects of crime.

But no politician will ever step up with the courage to change things for the better because it is not a seemingly quick fix and the popular thing to do. As it requires long term investment. politics and politicians are just puppets. Think jfk the only us president trying to make a real change got assinated for trying to do so.!

Its all fixed the world is ran by a few hundred pure evil people who are satanist.!

JFK?

This isn't america.

I've no problem with the satanists - they seem a lot less violent and bloodthirsty than the Christians - you've got to watch those bastards, they have no morals. "

we're the 51st state our government blindly follows America and Israel.

And is just a puppy dog for the global show of dementia i mean democracy peddling fales freedoms.! While discreety destroying the world and its people of its natural resources as well as conning the world thu international banking systems.Fake proxy wars to sell weapons of mass destruction and to keep people devided and in constant fear.

Fear is the only commodity that paralizes the brain from thinking straight thow in the mix of poisons we injest thu food water and medications.

And thats why most are brainwashed and don't see the big picture.

And bickering over minuscule laws and events that are yet to take place.!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"For example if a guy punched another guy during a fight and killed him will he get max punnishment no he would get 5-7 yrs at the very most.

Should he be killed?

I disagree. If you punch another person in the face you are clearly trying to do actual bodily harm to that person and you are also fully aware that such action could lead to that persons death. It's also not reasonable to try and say that it's possible to punch someone in the face by accident so it must be also reasonable to assume that the person throwing the punch must have decided to punch the other person in the face, therefore there is an element of premedication involved. By any reasonable definition causing the death of someone as a result of a physical assault, especially punching them in the face, is murder and probably premeditated murder.

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