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By *icearms OP Man
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

I hate self assessment... it's supposed to be relatively straight forward to do.... but it's not!

Why do they make these things so complicated for us to do and then make it hard to get help..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hate self assessment... it's supposed to be relatively straight forward to do.... but it's not!

Why do they make these things so complicated for us to do and then make it hard to get help..

Because they want to keep the plebs and peasants in their place

I went to help my friend with her tax return over Christmas

I reckon she'll be submitting round about June time

She said " Ive got these figures. Is that enough"

" erm no, you appear to have missed out a big chunk of the year and they might want to know why"

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I got an accountant friend who does mine. I just don’t have a clue.

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight

Get a professional, plenty on here

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By *icearms OP Man
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

"Get a professional, plenty on here

Do you know of any....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because they're employed in a normal job and they hate that you're your own boss. I've never found it difficult to get help once I get through the auto-response HMRC phone line. That's the difficult part.

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight

"Get a professional, plenty on here

Do you know of any....

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No, but there are plenty here, their profiles say so....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hate self assessment... it's supposed to be relatively straight forward to do.... but it's not!

Why do they make these things so complicated for us to do and then make it hard to get help..

Totally agree, did and paid mine on the 9th December, got an Email today saying thumb screws were ready if I didnt pay... checked and £20 was unpaid from last year which wasnt added to this years final balance so was of course not paid... So I paid it by debit card. Logged back in this afternoon just to see a 0 balance... And it still shows £20 unpaid!

Shifted £40,000 over the bank holiday weekend bank to bank, 9am on 2nd January it was completed, and all balances updated. So how come the tax office computer can't show payments made instantly!!!

Bloody system is a nightmare!

Rant done... But if I vanish on 1st Feb, you know who has taken me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you’re new to self assessment then you have my sympathies pal, however...

I find it very simple and straightforward myself.

Have been doing it online for around 8 years and before that on paper since the age of 17.

It’s usually peoples poor bookkeeping and accounting that causes problems.

Make time every week to keep your records straight and up to date and then come self assessment time it’s a doddle.

When I first started I went to the citizens advice and a very stern but helpful lady showed me how important it is to keep accurate weekly records of everything tax/income/expenses related, perhaps you could pay them a visit.

Good luck with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just make sure you file on time and if you aren’t sure, ask a professional. Not your mate in the pub. You will however more than likely pay less tax taking your mates advice but have an enquiry within the next 12 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll do it tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll do it tomorrow. "

Best get on it, or I will see you in the dungeon on 1st Feb

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By *icearms OP Man
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

Thanks all... it's the 3rd resubmission I've done on this one... the issue being the high tax code each one has put me on....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll do it tomorrow.

Best get on it, or I will see you in the dungeon on 1st Feb

I know. I know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you’re new to self assessment then you have my sympathies pal, however...

I find it very simple and straightforward myself.

Have been doing it online for around 8 years and before that on paper since the age of 17.

It’s usually peoples poor bookkeeping and accounting that causes problems.

Make time every week to keep your records straight and up to date and then come self assessment time it’s a doddle.

Good luck with it

Sam, how stern was she?

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By *DSM - CUCKOLD - COUPLECouple
over a year ago

manchester

When I was self employed I paid a accountant about £25 a week (which was tax deductible also) and also vat registered which which actually covered the cost of the accountant fees. When it did get to a point where I became a PAYE employee and had a huge tax bill to pay from when I was self employed (£2956) my accountant desolved the 'company' and the debt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IR35 has royally fucked me over this year... big stress

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I hate self assessment... it's supposed to be relatively straight forward to do.... but it's not!

Why do they make these things so complicated for us to do and then make it hard to get help..

Seriously it's child's play ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I was self employed I paid a accountant about £25 a week (which was tax deductible also) and also vat registered which which actually covered the cost of the accountant fees. When it did get to a point where I became a PAYE employee and had a huge tax bill to pay from when I was self employed (£2956) my accountant desolved the 'company' and the debt. "

^^^^ This is my situation... (although my 'huge bill' is much more, erm, "huge"

Currently looking it legislation regarding Liquidation of Ltd Co and Director liabilities..... not much fun

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By *DSM - CUCKOLD - COUPLECouple
over a year ago

manchester

^^^^ This is my situation... (although my 'huge bill' is much more, erm, "huge"

Currently looking it legislation regarding Liquidation of Ltd Co and Director liabilities..... not much fun"
if you have a accountant ask her though iam sure you can do it online. It's not "tax dodging" it's easy to get into trouble plus iam sure we have all spent thousands and thousands paying taxes already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's worth the accountants fees.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Government sanctioned robbery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Government sanctioned robbery. "

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I was briefly self employed and found if I done my weekly bits the end of year was easy peasy.

I know someone who's accountant has fucked up massively to the tune of +£100k....problem is they used that money to build an extension

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By *icearms OP Man
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

I have no issue with the paying of taxes just to be clear...

Mg issue is that to introduce something that should be simple to do, isn't that simple.

As a result it causes stress to so many people and as previous people have said when there is money owes they are very keen to get their money... which I must add they are not due..

Oh well next on the list is sort a tax advisor for the next one...

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I meant to add that if you have a high turn over it's so important to have an accountant.....one that knows what they're doing. The people I know might have to sell their family home!!

Stress no one needs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No. "

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I have no issue with the paying of taxes just to be clear...

Mg issue is that to introduce something that should be simple to do, isn't that simple.

As a result it causes stress to so many people and as previous people have said when there is money owes they are very keen to get their money... which I must add they are not due..

Oh well next on the list is sort a tax advisor for the next one..."

Seriously which bit of a very simple computer form of yes no and number answers are you struggling with ?

If you have the wit to earn the money you should have the wit to account for it ?

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By *omez42Man
over a year ago

gloucester

A friend went self employed at the beginning of last year.

After a bit of nudging, she has kept everything up to date on some spreadsheets that I setup. I've set queries that will answer all the boxes she needs, so a trial run went well.

But...

I can see how difficult it would be for someone if they let it go for a while. Keeping on top of it is the key.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I meant to add that if you have a high turn over it's so important to have an accountant.....one that knows what they're doing. The people I know might have to sell their family home!!

Stress no one needs."

It is important to have an accountant, BUT you need to know the numbers to the nearest 10,000 or so. That way you can ensure your accountant is not to far out, cos the tax man doesn't chase the accountant.

I am happy to pay taxes, but I have 3 income streams which sometimes get complex, and I worry that 70% or more of what I am paying is gone in the cost of collecting.

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over a year ago

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into. "

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No. "

Your taxes do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you’re new to self assessment then you have my sympathies pal, however...

I find it very simple and straightforward myself.

Have been doing it online for around 8 years and before that on paper since the age of 17.

It’s usually peoples poor bookkeeping and accounting that causes problems.

Make time every week to keep your records straight and up to date and then come self assessment time it’s a doddle.

Good luck with it

Sam, how stern was she?

If she was a boat she’d have no front end and be named sternymcsternface !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do"

Very communist

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do

Very communist "

Probably buy thems the breaks, whaddya gonna do.... Move somewhere without taxes and the like?! Always an option I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do

Very communist

Probably buy thems the breaks, whaddya gonna do.... Move somewhere without taxes and the like?! Always an option I guess "

A certain amount of tax is...avoidable.

But possibly I would like to move..not just for tax reasons, weather also, and lifestyle.

One day

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do

Very communist

Probably buy thems the breaks, whaddya gonna do.... Move somewhere without taxes and the like?! Always an option I guess

A certain amount of tax is...avoidable.

But possibly I would like to move..not just for tax reasons, weather also, and lifestyle.

One day

Fingers crossed for you

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Get a professional, plenty on here

This

Ours is excellent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Government sanctioned robbery.

Bet you don't think that when you need a doctor!

The tax paid is disproportionate to that.

I've paid tens upon tens of thousands in tax, more than I've ever taken (last Dr visit was as a child) or probably ever will..enough for my own private doctor.

If one goes private do you get tax relief? No.

Because tax is paid for the greater good.... It's not your own little pit you can dip into.

So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do

Very communist

Probably buy thems the breaks, whaddya gonna do.... Move somewhere without taxes and the like?! Always an option I guess

A certain amount of tax is...avoidable.

But possibly I would like to move..not just for tax reasons, weather also, and lifestyle.

One day

Fingers crossed for you "

Thankyou

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do

Very communist

Probably buy thems the breaks, whaddya gonna do.... Move somewhere without taxes and the like?! Always an option I guess

A certain amount of tax is...avoidable.

But possibly I would like to move..not just for tax reasons, weather also, and lifestyle.

One day

Cheer up, you also own bit of a soldier, with tank, and nuclear missile, bit of an MP, a few civil servants... talk about not on the high street .com

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I have done a few and most is pretty simple, what are you stuck on?

It's just the balance of invoices in and invoice out less expenses

If you need a vat guide of how certain items should be treated I can get a copy of what we follow at work

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By *anny5Man
over a year ago

washington

I just have one book of receipts for tax purposes and nother for my cash in hand keeps ya legal know one knows give gotta make to survive the world is a rip any way esp britian xxxbest way my mate accountent sorts it out for backhander great danny nice couple of hols a year for nowt xxx danny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what I earn belongs to everyone? No.

Your taxes do

Very communist

Probably buy thems the breaks, whaddya gonna do.... Move somewhere without taxes and the like?! Always an option I guess

A certain amount of tax is...avoidable.

But possibly I would like to move..not just for tax reasons, weather also, and lifestyle.

One day

Cheer up, you also own bit of a soldier, with tank, and nuclear missile, bit of an MP, a few civil servants... talk about not on the high street .com

But i cannot do what i want with any of these things. If I had the tank one day a year and a solider on call and a say in where the nukes went that would be nice

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"I have no issue with the paying of taxes just to be clear...

Mg issue is that to introduce something that should be simple to do, isn't that simple.

As a result it causes stress to so many people and as previous people have said when there is money owes they are very keen to get their money... which I must add they are not due..

Oh well next on the list is sort a tax advisor for the next one..."

You really don’t need a tax advisor unless it’s very complex, just a bog standard accountant/bookkeeper will do and probably only charge less than £300!

Oh and why would they make it too easy, some of us paid a fortune and studied for years to do the job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What plusses me off is I am stressing over an unpaid £20, that they are chasing when I gave them just short of £30,000 a month ago, and roughly the same last year, though that was apparently £20 short...

bet I get fined £100 then spend weeks arguing with a dozen tax officers that I already paid the £20 Today.

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By *anny5Man
over a year ago

washington

Ye I was a soldier 15 years mate ireland bosnia iraq served 7 para rha bombardier this country load of penpushing wannabees ill take the piss out of this country like they took the piss out of me ill have a nice hol me and vallerie in feb spain I reckon / pay for it out off my cash in hand jobs great danny xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you’re new to self assessment then you have my sympathies pal, however...

I find it very simple and straightforward myself.

Have been doing it online for around 8 years and before that on paper since the age of 17.

It’s usually peoples poor bookkeeping and accounting that causes problems.

Make time every week to keep your records straight and up to date and then come self assessment time it’s a doddle.

Good luck with it

Sam, how stern was she?

If she was a boat she’d have no front end and be named sternymcsternface !"

Do you watch Blackadder perchance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ye I was a soldier 15 years mate"

so you took money from tax payers for 15 years salary, which entitles you to avoid paying tax now?

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By *anny5Man
over a year ago

washington

Get sum service in penpusher with ya cushy job x

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ye I was a soldier 15 years mate ireland bosnia iraq served 7 para rha bombardier this country load of penpushing wannabees ill take the piss out of this country like they took the piss out of me ill have a nice hol me and vallerie in feb spain I reckon / pay for it out off my cash in hand jobs great danny xx"

Ooooh swoon

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"What plusses me off is I am stressing over an unpaid £20, that they are chasing when I gave them just short of £30,000 a month ago, and roughly the same last year, though that was apparently £20 short...

bet I get fined £100 then spend weeks arguing with a dozen tax officers that I already paid the £20 Today."

Ok seriously if you are earning or capable of earning or turning over enough to pay over 30 000 in tax then you are rich enough to pay for serious advice or clever enough to work it out yourself

The maths isn't difficult

We turn over over 2 million and I don't pay over 300000 in vat or tax

If it was 30 000 as company or personal tax that means you took home over 100 000

Vat wise it means a net take of 150 thousand after input has been subtracted

I smell some bull shite

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By *anny5Man
over a year ago

washington

Look at royal family head of country all tax dodgers good enough for them ok for me on a lesser scale all survival nowt else need to pay more taxes for everyone else comeing to country xxdanny I not me cheers no one giveing me medal for been honest x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you or your family ever used a hospital, ambulance, prescription, physio, nurse or doctor services, or a midwife?

If someone has a heart attack, would you phone an ambulance?

You see, without taxes, none of those services will be there...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I smell some bull shite

I have been very lucky, have property paid for earning rent, have skills that are well priced with very low overhead and a well paid hobby. My turn over is nowhere near 2million, but I don't have much in the way of costs.

It's not about the money, it's the cost of the process. Paid the outstanding £20 and its no big deal as I am not working for a few weeks, but the arguing over small change especially when several people are involved, often costs more than the debt. Which is what annoys me.

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By *anny5Man
over a year ago

washington

Lot of cowards on here send a message on ya to thread block ya straight away so ya cant reply nowt but penpushers x

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Lot of cowards on here send a message on ya to thread block ya straight away so ya cant reply nowt but penpushers x"

you do realise that penpushers is really shit insult dont you lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of cowards on here send a message on ya to thread block ya straight away so ya cant reply nowt but penpushers x"

Don't know what your definition of pen pusher is, so can't tell if I am one, but as your salary when you were in the forces was paid from tax, who do you think should be paying the guy who took over your bunk?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t worry - HMRC will do most of it for you in the next couple of years

It will be really easy then

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I smell some bull shite

No your op was suggesting self assessment was difficult , no it isn't and certainly not if you have the earnings to be charged 30 000 in tax , hope hope they fine you for wasting their precious time

I always over pay by at least 500 as then they pay ME interest above bank rate

You are earning outstanding money you sound like a London banker whinging that the food banks won't give them free food

Take fucking responsibility for yourself and your finances not try to blame the system for your failings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No your op was suggesting self assessment was difficult , no it isn't "

To you perhaps..this man will find other things easy that you will struggle with..earning lots does not mean you should be able to find a tax return easy, how stupid.

I won't tell you what i earn but according to you I should find tax returns very easy..I don't. I struggle with all paperworks. The ability to do paperwork has zero to do wit intelligence or business acumen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I smell some bull shite

No your op was suggesting self assessment was difficult , no it isn't and certainly not if you have the earnings to be charged 30 000 in tax , hope hope they fine you for wasting their precious time

I always over pay by at least 500 as then they pay ME interest above bank rate

You are earning outstanding money you sound like a London banker whinging that the food banks won't give them free food

Take fucking responsibility for yourself and your finances not try to blame the system for your failings "

I never said self assessment was difficult, just the system is badly flawed. How can I use their system, pay them the money and it doesn't show the payment made? Every business with online transactions handle this with ease, but not the tax man...

It will lead to a too and fro that will cost hundreds in my time and theirs, and I did over pay that year and received a refund before they decided I was £20 short. Then the system failed to add it to the payment requested in December when I put my self assessment in, which caused someone to email me threats today.

P.S. I am not the OP on this thread.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

No your op was suggesting self assessment was difficult , no it isn't

To you perhaps..this man will find other things easy that you will struggle with..earning lots does not mean you should be able to find a tax return easy, how stupid.

No but paying the accountant would not be difficult would it x

Or perhaps the next thread should read

I earn a million a year why are web sites so difficult to write I want to save the 500 it costs to update mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No your op was suggesting self assessment was difficult , no it isn't

To you perhaps..this man will find other things easy that you will struggle with..earning lots does not mean you should be able to find a tax return easy, how stupid.

No but paying the accountant would not be difficult would it x

Or perhaps the next thread should read

I earn a million a year why are web sites so difficult to write I want to save the 500 it costs to update mine

I want your accountant if he can make 30,000 be 40% of 1,000,000

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

I just smile at Frisky and she does it for me...

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

No your op was suggesting self assessment was difficult , no it isn't

To you perhaps..this man will find other things easy that you will struggle with..earning lots does not mean you should be able to find a tax return easy, how stupid.

No but paying the accountant would not be difficult would it x

Or perhaps the next thread should read

I earn a million a year why are web sites so difficult to write I want to save the 500 it costs to update mine

I want your accountant if he can make 30,000 be 40% of 1,000,000

Lol I did not say that nor imply such , my clear analogy was regarding a person earning a lot whinging about their mistake

As it happens 30 000 in tax would mean earnings of

11500 0

33500 6700

52200 23300

Thus earnings after all expenses being £97200

But if he is self assessment there are 2 payments the same each year on account thus his tax is 60 thus another £66 600 earned

His 20 under payment his fault , we receive a notice of how much we owe well before the due date and can double check upon our gov gateway

It's a bit like Wayne Rooney having a credit card bill , under paying by 20 then bitching they have charged him interest or a late pay fee

And again the self assessment form is simple

Yes no boxes which you will know the answer and then how much

Did you receive rent this year

Yes no

How much

Did you make profits this year on UK company

How much , or loss .how much

Were you employed

Y n

How much

Did you receive dividends

How much

It really is simple

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By *obluvs2playMan
over a year ago

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Still sitting on tender hooks to see how much I have to pay

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