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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe it was man made. I don’t think it was specifically for homosexuals but a weapon to stop enemy populations from breeding and it got out of control.

Just my theory though

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, it came from an African making love to a gorilla.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys. "

Thanks for clearing that up..???

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys. "

It almost certainly wasn't man made. The last thing we need is yet another crackpot conspiracy theory.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Jesus...I seemed to have opened the door to the school playground?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys.

It almost certainly wasn't man made. The last thing we need is yet another crackpot conspiracy theory."

That's what I love about opiniated people that refuse to accept any alternate theories ...everyone 'else' is a crackpot

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age "

First known case was 1959..think the ice had melted by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jesus...I seemed to have opened the door to the school playground?"

I know mate, believing that it was transferred from monkeys (which were known to carry the virus) to humans, as opposed to evil bond villains creating it in a lab in an attempt to genocide homosexuals... how childish!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is plenty of very clear research on its origin.

Maybe look up a book cslled 'the hot zone', it will explain, very comprehensively, in laymans language, about the research into HIV and Ebola, and similar viruses.

Most 'contradictory' reports usually end up being either tin foil hat crap, or quasi religious bullshit!

There is still a lot of ignorance surrounding HIV and its not very helpful to make up ridiculous conspiracy about something so serious for some sort of entertainment. As well as the fact that if you chose to believe it was some sort of man made disease to out certain sections of populations, then it hasn't really worked has it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"there is plenty of very clear research on its origin.

Maybe look up a book cslled 'the hot zone', it will explain, very comprehensively, in laymans language, about the research into HIV and Ebola, and similar viruses.

Most 'contradictory' reports usually end up being either tin foil hat crap, or quasi religious bullshit!

There is still a lot of ignorance surrounding HIV and its not very helpful to make up ridiculous conspiracy about something so serious for some sort of entertainment. As well as the fact that if you chose to believe it was some sort of man made disease to out certain sections of populations, then it hasn't really worked has it? "

I'm sorry...you've read a book? I guess it must be true..there's a best selling book about a man in the sky too. Why do people get so vicious when their beliefs are questioned?? Believe it or not none of us probably know all the facts...oh...wait, you've read a book, sorry, most of us don't know all the facts??

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys. "

Indeed, just the same as Ebola, Vice did a good documentary on it a few years back.

Cats can get AIDS as well, which proves it's a natural occurring thing.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's so unlikely, when the evidence shows that other sources are fairly clear

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There's equally as many writings and documenteries that imply it didn't originate how we were told ..but let's just all shout that the documentaries and books you read are all gospel..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there is plenty of very clear research on its origin.

Maybe look up a book cslled 'the hot zone', it will explain, very comprehensively, in laymans language, about the research into HIV and Ebola, and similar viruses.

Most 'contradictory' reports usually end up being either tin foil hat crap, or quasi religious bullshit!

There is still a lot of ignorance surrounding HIV and its not very helpful to make up ridiculous conspiracy about something so serious for some sort of entertainment. As well as the fact that if you chose to believe it was some sort of man made disease to out certain sections of populations, then it hasn't really worked has it?

I'm sorry...you've read a book? I guess it must be true..there's a best selling book about a man in the sky too. Why do people get so vicious when their beliefs are questioned?? Believe it or not none of us probably know all the facts...oh...wait, you've read a book, sorry, most of us don't know all the facts??"

there is absolutely no need to be so rude...there are hundreds of books on the subject, i just mentioned that one because its really good, and explains its research in laymans terms. It is not the ONLY piece of writing on the subject. And yes, the facts are there, in thousands of research papers, for anyone to see.I was not 'vicious' at all.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"There's equally as many writings and documenteries that imply it didn't originate how we were told ..but let's just all shout that the documentaries and books you read are all gospel..

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Perhaps you could mention some of the documentaries and writings. Don't post links though as its against forum rules.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales


"there is plenty of very clear research on its origin.

Maybe look up a book cslled 'the hot zone', it will explain, very comprehensively, in laymans language, about the research into HIV and Ebola, and similar viruses.

Most 'contradictory' reports usually end up being either tin foil hat crap, or quasi religious bullshit!

There is still a lot of ignorance surrounding HIV and its not very helpful to make up ridiculous conspiracy about something so serious for some sort of entertainment. As well as the fact that if you chose to believe it was some sort of man made disease to out certain sections of populations, then it hasn't really worked has it?

I'm sorry...you've read a book? I guess it must be true..there's a best selling book about a man in the sky too. Why do people get so vicious when their beliefs are questioned?? Believe it or not none of us probably know all the facts...oh...wait, you've read a book, sorry, most of us don't know all the facts??"

Your sarcastic comment here neatly contradicts your 'crackpot' comment above.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Can we all discuss without insult please.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Try googling the amount of money pharmaceutical companies made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Try thinking outside the box at what keeps societies in their place....fear?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"there is plenty of very clear research on its origin.

Maybe look up a book cslled 'the hot zone', it will explain, very comprehensively, in laymans language, about the research into HIV and Ebola, and similar viruses.

Most 'contradictory' reports usually end up being either tin foil hat crap, or quasi religious bullshit!

There is still a lot of ignorance surrounding HIV and its not very helpful to make up ridiculous conspiracy about something so serious for some sort of entertainment. As well as the fact that if you chose to believe it was some sort of man made disease to out certain sections of populations, then it hasn't really worked has it?

I'm sorry...you've read a book? I guess it must be true..there's a best selling book about a man in the sky too. Why do people get so vicious when their beliefs are questioned?? Believe it or not none of us probably know all the facts...oh...wait, you've read a book, sorry, most of us don't know all the facts??"

Your mocking her for referencung a book and compare it yo a book some consider to be fiction yet see basing your whole thread on a documentary you watch he'd on the picture box?! Pot, kettle.....

You come across as very aggressive and not at all interested in other people's views on the subject whilst bemoaning other people not being very accepting of your views.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"there is plenty of very clear research on its origin.

Maybe look up a book cslled 'the hot zone', it will explain, very comprehensively, in laymans language, about the research into HIV and Ebola, and similar viruses.

Most 'contradictory' reports usually end up being either tin foil hat crap, or quasi religious bullshit!

There is still a lot of ignorance surrounding HIV and its not very helpful to make up ridiculous conspiracy about something so serious for some sort of entertainment. As well as the fact that if you chose to believe it was some sort of man made disease to out certain sections of populations, then it hasn't really worked has it?

I'm sorry...you've read a book? I guess it must be true..there's a best selling book about a man in the sky too. Why do people get so vicious when their beliefs are questioned?? Believe it or not none of us probably know all the facts...oh...wait, you've read a book, sorry, most of us don't know all the facts??

Your mocking her for referencung a book and compare it yo a book some consider to be fiction yet see basing your whole thread on a documentary you watch he'd on the picture box?! Pot, kettle.....

You come across as very aggressive and not at all interested in other people's views on the subject whilst bemoaning other people not being very accepting of your views. "

I think you'll find I'm 'bemoaning' as most people are using terms like FACT, or crack pot..I didn't say my tellynox was right..I asked 'was' it man made..I don't know, seems everyone else does.

Thanks for the Bayman result

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I hope HIV is a man made virus made in the 50's when biological warfare was heavily researched.

My reasons for this hope is that natural viruses are extremely efficient at mutating and surviving, where flu has been found alive frozen in ancient ice, or inside sulpherous abd hot volcanoes.

So far acid as mild as saliva, minutes at below body temperature or dead skin cells are effective killers of HIV, if it is from nature that won't be true for long. But if we made it, then there was a cover up, our grand children may not be in more danger than we are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely not everyone would keep quiet about its origin if manmade. Let’s think about it. To produce a virus as virulent and specific would take years of research and hundreds of clinicians.

What is more unbelievable is that with the passing of time that not one of them has come forward!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Surely not everyone would keep quiet about its origin if manmade. Let’s think about it. To produce a virus as virulent and specific would take years of research and hundreds of clinicians.

What is more unbelievable is that with the passing of time that not one of them has come forward! "

Goid point..I always ask that, but if they did, would we believe them.. especially if the organisation disowned them and said they were looking for attention,it would take many people to come forward if it was man made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You only have to look up the similarities between HIV and SIV to see that it's an easy mutation.

It doesn't take much to work out that a BBV transferred during such a bloody operation as hunting, killing and butchering primates.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys.

Thanks for clearing that up..??? "

Viruses can mutate and infect different species, HIV didn't originate in humans. It originated in monkeys. The humans hunted, butchered and ate the monkeys that were infected. Then the virus entered into the human population. It then spread through human to human blodily fluid exchanges. These were things like sex, blood transfusions, pregnancy, breast feeding, unclean medical equipment etc.

Is that clearer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age "

Myxomatosis was man made.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The established and credible sources of evidence suggest that the different strains of HIV developed from SIV caught off different species of apes, such as chimpanzees. It's potentially been around in human populations since some time between the first and second world wars.

People who have money making motivation have created other suggestions, often in books, though the conspiracy theories are discredited. The scientific literature is not closed to anyone with credible evidence but alternatives to the established theory have not really been significantly published, in order to create divergence away from the weighty credible SIV origins theory. This leaves cross contamination via blood or other bodily fluids into humans from apes as the overwhelming likely route between animals hunted and consumed by them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age

First known case was 1959..think the ice had melted by then."
59BC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age

Myxomatosis was man made."
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Bullshit!!I invented the Cheese and ham toastie

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age

Myxomatosis was man made..

Bullshit!!I invented the Cheese and ham toastie "

I invented the question mark.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lost a friend to it. He'd been a junkie but got himself off when I got to know him. He eventually moved to the country with his girlfriend, gone back to his trade and was engaged. Then bam. He said, "That's what I get for putting shit in my arm." Less than a year later he was gone.

And it's on the rise again among young people, due to the ubiquity of anal sex in porn making them think anal is a standard part of sex.

Yes, I read books, so use words like ubiquity.

Another friend's mum worked at an HIV clinic. She said the gays find their mothers and the junkies find God. It's the straight people who just get bitter and blame the person who infected them, without taking any responsibility for their own actions.

I once saw a profile here of a woman who wrote she was diagnosed HIV+. It was one of the most heartbreaking things I think I've ever seen.

But sorry to interrupt, please carry on with the important detail of how it originated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I lost a friend to it. He'd been a junkie but got himself off when I got to know him. He eventually moved to the country with his girlfriend, gone back to his trade and was engaged. Then bam. He said, "That's what I get for putting shit in my arm." Less than a year later he was gone.

And it's on the rise again among young people, due to the ubiquity of anal sex in porn making them think anal is a standard part of sex.

Yes, I read books, so use words like ubiquity.

Another friend's mum worked at an HIV clinic. She said the gays find their mothers and the junkies find God. It's the straight people who just get bitter and blame the person who infected them, without taking any responsibility for their own actions.

I once saw a profile here of a woman who wrote she was diagnosed HIV+. It was one of the most heartbreaking things I think I've ever seen.

But sorry to interrupt, please carry on with the important detail of how it originated."

Top post. How it got here doesn't matter. What does matter is how we treat the sufferers and do our best to prevent new infections.

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By *ouise HartleyTV/TS
over a year ago

the street of failed artists Liverpool


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin."

Are you suggesting scientists created a life form? They can’t yet as far as I’m aware

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are theories that it was man made.

I don't know if I believe them or not.

I do believe that there is a vast difference in the world as its presented to us by the the media (television, films, magazines and a great deal of the internet) and what's actually going on out there and folk who believe the presented version of things are fairly...daft.

Thing is...there so much info out and about that unless you personally go and collate data and undertake real study to determine the facts yourself you'll likely never really know what's happening out there in the world..easier to live in a pre determined system of living and believing (go school, collage, uni, gap year, job, mortgage, family, car, spend money all the while on stuff, possibly pick a religion..any will do, they're all the same basically, or maybe have a kink or two, a nice hobby perhaps, obey any laws your told to, support a sports team and teach your kids to do basically the same things) because it's the option that's easiest, we've been programmed to think those outside normal lifestyles are weird or crackpots..and nobody wants to be branded a crackpot so most people just conform and live a standard life and eat up the standard lines given and regurgitate them.

Give conspiracy a chance..at the worst, it's a laugh to read

(Except flat Earth..that's mental )

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By *lmostthereMan
over a year ago

Southampton

We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks. "

For what?

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By *lmostthereMan
over a year ago

Southampton


"We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks.

For what? "

This thread mostly.

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By *orthatry84Couple
over a year ago

cardiff


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age

Myxomatosis was man made."

Myxomatosis was indeed man made. It is a genetically altered virus set to be more virulent and effective, then released to reduce rabbit populations. (Rabbit specialist veterinary nurse... I know my buns!)

However, personally I don’t believe HIV is manmade, there are too many similar viruses in other species and populations and the first recorded case is more likely to be the first case given that label than the first ever seen...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I lost a friend to it. He'd been a junkie but got himself off when I got to know him. He eventually moved to the country with his girlfriend, gone back to his trade and was engaged. Then bam. He said, "That's what I get for putting shit in my arm." Less than a year later he was gone.

And it's on the rise again among young people, due to the ubiquity of anal sex in porn making them think anal is a standard part of sex.

Yes, I read books, so use words like ubiquity.

Another friend's mum worked at an HIV clinic. She said the gays find their mothers and the junkies find God. It's the straight people who just get bitter and blame the person who infected them, without taking any responsibility for their own actions.

I once saw a profile here of a woman who wrote she was diagnosed HIV+. It was one of the most heartbreaking things I think I've ever seen.

But sorry to interrupt, please carry on with the important detail of how it originated.

Top post. How it got here doesn't matter. What does matter is how we treat the sufferers and do our best to prevent new infections."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks.

For what?

This thread mostly. "

Do people know how arrogant they actually sound when they stand with a crowd and mock anything that goes against what they are told. I actually think it would be nice to believe everything I'm told, quite mentally peaceful... unfortunately, I question everything first.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks.

For what?

This thread mostly.

Do people know how arrogant they actually sound when they stand with a crowd and mock anything that goes against what they are told. I actually think it would be nice to believe everything I'm told, quite mentally peaceful... unfortunately, I question everything first. "

What skills, education or training have you got, as well as resources to investigate, if HIV was man made or not?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin."

Definitely I believe (from the research I’ve done) they were going to use it for a cure for hepatitis.

One thing I thought all the time was, how did a disease predominantly found in African heterosexual people have an outbreak in the homosexual population in America?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks.

For what?

This thread mostly. "

In what way? What will you do with said hat and fork? Not sure what they have to do with anything really. If you'd like them though I'm sure people wouldn't mind

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"There's equally as many writings and documenteries that imply it didn't originate how we were told ..but let's just all shout that the documentaries and books you read are all gospel..

"

Ah here is your problem

Scientific method

The books that illustrate how factual things are use scientific method , they show how the conclusion was made , for example the aging of earth strata which can be cross referenced with carbon dating which can be cross dated with other methods

The methods and the conclusions are printed anyone can and they do indeed , try to find the errors in the method or conclusions

These are then also tested by the scientific method

I think we will find zero tangible data to debunk the millions of human hours spent illustrating why hiv predates the Crackpot conspiracy lie

Not all ideas or words written in books are equal , some have VAST amounts of cross referenced scientifically robust research behind them

The. Oh we once thought x and now, argument is a misnomer and illustrates a total lack of understanding with regards to humanities knowledge and how it is formed and ironically illustrates how knowledge can be robust

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin.

Are you suggesting scientists created a life form? They can’t yet as far as I’m aware "

Dolly the sheep was scientifically made

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's bigger problems on the horizon than hiv.

The rise of the super bacteria

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin.

Definitely I believe (from the research I’ve done) they were going to use it for a cure for hepatitis.

One thing I thought all the time was, how did a disease predominantly found in African heterosexual people have an outbreak in the homosexual population in America?"

What kind of research have you done? Primary research? Meta analysis? A literature review?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has it not been about in humans since at least the 1950's? First discovered in blood from the African continent but present in the Gorilla population. Since the virus doesn't live out of the body for long, the inference is it was cross species sexual contact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's bigger problems on the horizon than hiv.

The rise of the super bacteria "

Will they have tiny capes?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin.

Definitely I believe (from the research I’ve done) they were going to use it for a cure for hepatitis.

One thing I thought all the time was, how did a disease predominantly found in African heterosexual people have an outbreak in the homosexual population in America?"

People lie about their sexuality. See: Fabs.

Autoimmune diseases/deficiencies other than HIV/AIDS exist in humans too - I had one: Ulcerative Colitis.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Has it not been about in humans since at least the 1950's? First discovered in blood from the African continent but present in the Gorilla population. Since the virus doesn't live out of the body for long, the inference is it was cross species sexual contact."

More likley to have been butchery - more blood contact and the people doing the butchery probably weren't always wearing PPE, so any cuts they had would have come into contact with infected blood.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Ah here is your problem

Scientific method

The books that illustrate how factual things are use scientific method , they show how the conclusion was made , for example the aging of earth strata which can be cross referenced with carbon dating which can be cross dated with other methods

The methods and the conclusions are printed anyone can and they do indeed , try to find the errors in the method or conclusions

These are then also tested by the scientific method

"

Ah, here is your problem...

You may want to look up some recent studies such as the New Yorker that are showing a backlash with the good old 'scientific method' or the report my John Baumgadner PhD that list problems like:

1) many of the crucial processes occurred in the past and are difficult to test in the present;

and 2) personal biases are especially strong on topics related to origins because of the wider implications.

Amongst many other opinions on scientific methods

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin.

Definitely I believe (from the research I’ve done) they were going to use it for a cure for hepatitis.

One thing I thought all the time was, how did a disease predominantly found in African heterosexual people have an outbreak in the homosexual population in America?

What kind of research have you done? Primary research? Meta analysis? A literature review? "

Lol as much as most Christians

It's his belief why not let him believe it ? It make him happy x

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

AIDS has been traced, by DNA, to a virus found in apes.

immunodeficiency isn't specific to humans, many animals suffer from it.

Although transmitted differently in other animals, the outcome is very similar.

It just happens that when the virus mutated into a virus that could infect humans, its path of transmission was through semen and vaginal secretions (also blood and breastmilk) which meant that it was a prime target among promiscuous groups that didn't practice safe sex, in particular the gay community as there was no worries of unwanted pregnancy.

Man made viruses are in their infancy, to create a disease that would specifically be transmitted in semen to only infect gays (as is being suggested ) would probably be impossible today, let alone in the 70's and 80's.

Its just another non story doing the rounds of the Internet.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Ah here is your problem

Scientific method

The books that illustrate how factual things are use scientific method , they show how the conclusion was made , for example the aging of earth strata which can be cross referenced with carbon dating which can be cross dated with other methods

The methods and the conclusions are printed anyone can and they do indeed , try to find the errors in the method or conclusions

These are then also tested by the scientific method

Ah, here is your problem...

You may want to look up some recent studies such as the New Yorker that are showing a backlash with the good old 'scientific method' or the report my John Baumgadner PhD that list problems like:

1) many of the crucial processes occurred in the past and are difficult to test in the present;

and 2) personal biases are especially strong on topics related to origins because of the wider implications.

Amongst many other opinions on scientific methods

"

1) No they aren't - this is the point of the format of peer-reviewed journal articles, all experiments should be easy to replicate (clue, it's under the section labelled "Method")

2)Personal biases don't alter results, and if bias is suspected, experiments can be replicated (see:1).

Also; something is not generally accepted into theory unless there is a significant weight of research behind it (not one lone paper).

Do you understand the scientific method?

When was the last time you conducted a scientific investigation?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Ah here is your problem

Scientific method

The books that illustrate how factual things are use scientific method , they show how the conclusion was made , for example the aging of earth strata which can be cross referenced with carbon dating which can be cross dated with other methods

The methods and the conclusions are printed anyone can and they do indeed , try to find the errors in the method or conclusions

These are then also tested by the scientific method

Ah, here is your problem...

You may want to look up some recent studies such as the New Yorker that are showing a backlash with the good old 'scientific method' or the report my John Baumgadner PhD that list problems like:

1) many of the crucial processes occurred in the past and are difficult to test in the present;

and 2) personal biases are especially strong on topics related to origins because of the wider implications.

Amongst many other opinions on scientific methods

1) No they aren't - this is the point of the format of peer-reviewed journal articles, all experiments should be easy to replicate (clue, it's under the section labelled "Method")

2)Personal biases don't alter results, and if bias is suspected, experiments can be replicated (see:1).

Also; something is not generally accepted into theory unless there is a significant weight of research behind it (not one lone paper).

Do you understand the scientific method?

When was the last time you conducted a scientific investigation?"

Whilst trying to wave your "scientific investigation shaped cock" let's look at what I was meaning when I said there's a "problem" with your school textbook scientific methods..

Replicating an experiment and getting the exact same findings is difficult. Why? Regression to the mean. As an experiment is repeated statistical flukes get tossed out.

The peer review process is flawed. Peer review is ultimately tilted to positive results.

Publication bias - Journals and scientists aim for being statistically significant and this leads everyone aiming for positive results. We don't want to see a null result. Researchers are "significance chasing," or interpreting data so it passes the statistical test of significance.

Money - For instance, pharmaceutical companies have little interest in publishing results that aren't favorable. Validating a hypothesis is all the more gratifying if there's financial gain to be made.

I guess you'll be busy with your scientific investigations the rest of the evening.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Ah here is your problem

Scientific method

The books that illustrate how factual things are use scientific method , they show how the conclusion was made , for example the aging of earth strata which can be cross referenced with carbon dating which can be cross dated with other methods

The methods and the conclusions are printed anyone can and they do indeed , try to find the errors in the method or conclusions

These are then also tested by the scientific method

Ah, here is your problem...

You may want to look up some recent studies such as the New Yorker that are showing a backlash with the good old 'scientific method' or the report my John Baumgadner PhD that list problems like:

1) many of the crucial processes occurred in the past and are difficult to test in the present;

and 2) personal biases are especially strong on topics related to origins because of the wider implications.

Amongst many other opinions on scientific methods

1) No they aren't - this is the point of the format of peer-reviewed journal articles, all experiments should be easy to replicate (clue, it's under the section labelled "Method")

2)Personal biases don't alter results, and if bias is suspected, experiments can be replicated (see:1).

Also; something is not generally accepted into theory unless there is a significant weight of research behind it (not one lone paper).

Do you understand the scientific method?

When was the last time you conducted a scientific investigation?

Whilst trying to wave your "scientific investigation shaped cock" let's look at what I was meaning when I said there's a "problem" with your school textbook scientific methods..

Replicating an experiment and getting the exact same findings is difficult. Why? Regression to the mean. As an experiment is repeated statistical flukes get tossed out.

The peer review process is flawed. Peer review is ultimately tilted to positive results.

Publication bias - Journals and scientists aim for being statistically significant and this leads everyone aiming for positive results. We don't want to see a null result. Researchers are "significance chasing," or interpreting data so it passes the statistical test of significance.

Money - For instance, pharmaceutical companies have little interest in publishing results that aren't favorable. Validating a hypothesis is all the more gratifying if there's financial gain to be made.

I guess you'll be busy with your scientific investigations the rest of the evening."

Outliers get removed from datasets, if there is sufficient reason for doing so. Anomalous investigations are still included in the literature, so I'm not sure what you are on about.

The whole point of the oft used phrase "the research suggests that", is precisely this.

Actually on the whole they don't (or shouldn't), rigourous scientific method should be attempting to disprove your hypothesis, and if you can't, then you accept it. There have been one or two cases where bias has been exposed and papers disregarded, science is not dogmatic.

Researchers in most fields are not "significance chasing" because they realise that proving the null hypothesis has as much potential to be significant in the long run as disproving it.

You may have a point within the field of pharmaceuticals, but most research undertaken (see the sheer volume of seemingly obscure journals) has little potential to be lucrative, at least in the short term.

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By *lmostthereMan
over a year ago

Southampton


"We don't need medicine, contraception or education. What we need are tin foil hats and pitch forks.

For what?

This thread mostly.

In what way? What will you do with said hat and fork? Not sure what they have to do with anything really. If you'd like them though I'm sure people wouldn't mind "

Arguing about arguments on the internet.

Meh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many many years ago, an adolescent monkey was masturbating in the tree tops, when it noticed a goat, that had wandered of from the rest of the herd, and had got itself stuck in a bush below. The monkey could see the rear end of the goat, with it's raised tail in the air, and it's anus looking so inviting, thought ! Why jerk my maggot, when I can nip down, and stick it in the goats ass so the monkey done exactly that. Moments later, the goat herder came along looking for bleating goat. The young goat herder, who was also a young horny male, saw the same sight as the monkey, he also decided to stick his cock, and off load inside the goat.

Later that day, the goat herder was still feeling. randy, and decides to fuck the village bicycle.

The few years later, a group of european's on safari came to the village. Over a period of time, most of the european men had fucked the village bicycle.

Back home in europe after the safari, the men fucked their wife's, servants, and each other.

The moral of the story is. Always wear a condom, as you don't know who the other person has been fucking, or where his cock has been

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"

Ah here is your problem

Scientific method

The books that illustrate how factual things are use scientific method , they show how the conclusion was made , for example the aging of earth strata which can be cross referenced with carbon dating which can be cross dated with other methods

The methods and the conclusions are printed anyone can and they do indeed , try to find the errors in the method or conclusions

These are then also tested by the scientific method

Ah, here is your problem...

You may want to look up some recent studies such as the New Yorker that are showing a backlash with the good old 'scientific method' or the report my John Baumgadner PhD that list problems like:

1) many of the crucial processes occurred in the past and are difficult to test in the present;

and 2) personal biases are especially strong on topics related to origins because of the wider implications.

Amongst many other opinions on scientific methods

1) No they aren't - this is the point of the format of peer-reviewed journal articles, all experiments should be easy to replicate (clue, it's under the section labelled "Method")

2)Personal biases don't alter results, and if bias is suspected, experiments can be replicated (see:1).

Also; something is not generally accepted into theory unless there is a significant weight of research behind it (not one lone paper).

Do you understand the scientific method?

When was the last time you conducted a scientific investigation?

Whilst trying to wave your "scientific investigation shaped cock" let's look at what I was meaning when I said there's a "problem" with your school textbook scientific methods..

Replicating an experiment and getting the exact same findings is difficult. Why? Regression to the mean. As an experiment is repeated statistical flukes get tossed out.

The peer review process is flawed. Peer review is ultimately tilted to positive results.

Publication bias - Journals and scientists aim for being statistically significant and this leads everyone aiming for positive results. We don't want to see a null result. Researchers are "significance chasing," or interpreting data so it passes the statistical test of significance.

Money - For instance, pharmaceutical companies have little interest in publishing results that aren't favorable. Validating a hypothesis is all the more gratifying if there's financial gain to be made.

I guess you'll be busy with your scientific investigations the rest of the evening.

Outliers get removed from datasets, if there is sufficient reason for doing so. Anomalous investigations are still included in the literature, so I'm not sure what you are on about.

The whole point of the oft used phrase "the research suggests that", is precisely this.

Actually on the whole they don't (or shouldn't), rigourous scientific method should be attempting to disprove your hypothesis, and if you can't, then you accept it. There have been one or two cases where bias has been exposed and papers disregarded, science is not dogmatic.

Researchers in most fields are not "significance chasing" because they realise that proving the null hypothesis has as much potential to be significant in the long run as disproving it.

You may have a point within the field of pharmaceuticals, but most research undertaken (see the sheer volume of seemingly obscure journals) has little potential to be lucrative, at least in the short term. "

This absolutely and ironically suggesting unrepeatable experiments are not possible due to flukes illustrates our point , the flukes get thrown out , and it can't be stressed enough there is very little scientific back slapping , most love to dispute an experiment and riggor is sustained

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's bigger problems on the horizon than hiv.

The rise of the super bacteria

Will they have tiny capes?"
hard as nails

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has it not been about in humans since at least the 1950's? First discovered in blood from the African continent but present in the Gorilla population. Since the virus doesn't live out of the body for long, the inference is it was cross species sexual contact.

More likley to have been butchery - more blood contact and the people doing the butchery probably weren't always wearing PPE, so any cuts they had would have come into contact with infected blood. "

Unlikely. The virus doesn't stay alive in a dead animal.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Has it not been about in humans since at least the 1950's? First discovered in blood from the African continent but present in the Gorilla population. Since the virus doesn't live out of the body for long, the inference is it was cross species sexual contact.

More likley to have been butchery - more blood contact and the people doing the butchery probably weren't always wearing PPE, so any cuts they had would have come into contact with infected blood.

Unlikely. The virus doesn't stay alive in a dead animal."

You do realise you bleed an animal you've slaughtered as soon as you've killed it, don't you?

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

A truely Bayesian approach would be to start with a priori set of probability distributions, let say 50% Chance gorilla and 50% chance man.

Based on new evidence we adjust our distrubution accordingly.

Now I’m not an expert in this, but I would guess the posterior distribution is probably weighted heavily towards gorillas. Now while that may not rule out man, arguing the toss about strategic biases probably not adjusts the weightings slightly towards man. Especially as the evidence for man is (based on this thread) a pregnant pause or an ambiguous answer.

Otherwise I await equally voracious attacks on evolution, homosexuality, the moon landings and the need for sleep to survive.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

No, but human intervention ensured efficient spread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Umbrella corporation just sayin'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, but human intervention ensured efficient spread."

Intervention?

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By *ack2071Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

The irony in all this can point too many things in causing HIV in human race , if for example the scientists isolated the virus there curiosity to weather it was able to infect the human race would of been tested on subjects without there knowledge possibly in form of vaccine. Don't forget of experiments done on army personnel or other communities with dangerous diseases or man made biological disease.

Especially in america . many of today's treatments for cancer was result of research of baby's been given cancer through a injection which there parents thought was a vaccine to protect their child.

Also don't forget the Nazis did experiments on pow and the concentration camps which was inhumane thing to do. The research ended up in the hands of the Americans as well.

So to say the above discussion holds no ground and that it was from animals been eaten I think both sides has merit of reasons HIV has spread whether it been from dirty goat herder and village bike or from help from science.

At the end of day everyone has responsibility to be carful and not pass on std no matter what it is . just saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The irony in all this can point too many things in causing HIV in human race , if for example the scientists isolated the virus there curiosity to weather it was able to infect the human race would of been tested on subjects without there knowledge possibly in form of vaccine. Don't forget of experiments done on army personnel or other communities with dangerous diseases or man made biological disease.

Especially in america . many of today's treatments for cancer was result of research of baby's been given cancer through a injection which there parents thought was a vaccine to protect their child.

Also don't forget the Nazis did experiments on pow and the concentration camps which was inhumane thing to do. The research ended up in the hands of the Americans as well.

So to say the above discussion holds no ground and that it was from animals been eaten I think both sides has merit of reasons HIV has spread whether it been from dirty goat herder and village bike or from help from science.

At the end of day everyone has responsibility to be carful and not pass on std no matter what it is . just saying

"

you are a fucking moron....

clearly this might get me a ban, but we all live in a world where we have more access to information than ever before in our history. the deliberate choice of some to choose to pretend to believe some mediaeval,ridiculous shite terrifies s me.

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By *ack2071Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove


"The irony in all this can point too many things in causing HIV in human race , if for example the scientists isolated the virus there curiosity to weather it was able to infect the human race would of been tested on subjects without there knowledge possibly in form of vaccine. Don't forget of experiments done on army personnel or other communities with dangerous diseases or man made biological disease.

Especially in america . many of today's treatments for cancer was result of research of baby's been given cancer through a injection which there parents thought was a vaccine to protect their child.

Also don't forget the Nazis did experiments on pow and the concentration camps which was inhumane thing to do. The research ended up in the hands of the Americans as well.

So to say the above discussion holds no ground and that it was from animals been eaten I think both sides has merit of reasons HIV has spread whether it been from dirty goat herder and village bike or from help from science.

At the end of day everyone has responsibility to be carful and not pass on std no matter what it is . just saying

you are a fucking moron....

clearly this might get me a ban, but we all live in a world where we have more access to information than ever before in our history. the deliberate choice of some to choose to pretend to believe some mediaeval,ridiculous shite terrifies s me."

Thanks for that but truth been no one knows

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By *idzguyMan
over a year ago

coventry

One of the theories I've heard is that it a man made virus and about population control particularly in the African nations how true this is I don't know. I never know what to believe when it comes to disease and medicine given that people are being cured from some cancers in the use of cannabis oil yet governments won't licence it as it will put the big pharmaceutical manufacturers out of business.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Some of the attitude displayed in this thread has made me roll my eyes multiple times. Is it a full moon?

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

I believe it was a manmade disease, naive to think it was not some form of biological weapon experiment gone wrong or right. The scientist of the 18th to 20th century were known for extensive human experiment and projects the number of millions that died in such progressive discovery time period is unfathomed. You only need to look at the history of weapons and war. The fact that that scientific/media says it is a mutated disease from a monkey is laughable humans have been around the globe since the begin of time have been eating all sort of animals to survive and suddenly we notice HIV in the late 20th century. If HIV was before the 20th century when bacteria and disease ran rampaging but somehow exclude HIV before sanitation system in place, contraception, will definitely have been used as a weapon before any sort of medical intervention.

My scepticism. Some of the scientist and doctors in that time period makes Hitler look like a saint.?

The scientist we are meant to trust about 50 years ago, Sugar Industry simply paid scientists to point blame at fat now we have an epidemic of obesity.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys.

It almost certainly wasn't man made. The last thing we need is yet another crackpot conspiracy theory.

That's what I love about opiniated people that refuse to accept any alternate theories ...everyone 'else' is a crackpot "

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel


"...The last thing we need is yet another crackpot conspiracy theory.

That's what I love about opiniated people that refuse to accept any alternate theories ...everyone 'else' is a crackpot "

This.

While I would hesitate to jump on any 'theories' without careful consideration, I am at the point that if some of these things did turn out to be true, I wouldn't be surprised.

I think just believing whatever the media says is at least as much a problem as anyone being a crackpot.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I suppose you believe it was distributed in some African countries by the WHO as well do? You'll be expecting us to believe that the US government spent 40 years giving syphilis to black men next........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe it was man made, although similar viruses exist in Primate populations, there's even a similar viruses that affects felines.

Probably an experiment that went wrong, after all most nation's have tried to develop biological weaponry of some strain over the past 100 + years, and I guess it still goes on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watched a documentary about San Francisco, it covered the time when homosexuals and lesbians embraced their freedom, there was a very interesting edit where a government official said:

"men have never been having more sex in the history of the world than the gay men in San Francisco at the moment"

He was asked, what will happen next,

He answered "I can't answer that"

I just wonder if the maniacs in charge thought they could target the homosexual community and messed up big time. There's so much conflicting reports of the origin.

Definitely I believe (from the research I’ve done) they were going to use it for a cure for hepatitis.

One thing I thought all the time was, how did a disease predominantly found in African heterosexual people have an outbreak in the homosexual population in America?

What kind of research have you done? Primary research? Meta analysis? A literature review? "

No real founded research, just a bit of reading from various sources.

My field is physics, I teach it at A level along with maths. I’m usually a massive de bunker of conspiracy theories and agree they are stories to keep the bored housewives busy trying to find a reliable way to measure chemtrails etc.

I don’t get aggressive, shove down people’s throats as I’m not that type of person, nor do I try to ‘re-educate’ people about what I’ve read and think, hmmmm now that’s possibly plausible.

Have I tried to actually prove it? No, I don’t have the time energy or inclination.

I have a lot of friends who go to church and believe in god. Have I tried to prove their imaginary friend doesn’t exist? No because they are free to read a book that is made up of pretend stories and go to a cold leaky building to talk to someone who doesn’t exist.

Nobody attacks them and calls them imbeciles etc,etc. They genuinely get called nice people.

If somebody wants to believe a monkey with a zoonotic disease shagged a goat then a lad then shagged it and caught said zoonotic disease, leave them to it.

If they start shouting their mouth with only anecdotal evidence ask them to prove it.

I have a mate who’s an obsessed flat earther I’ve done a few experiments with him to show him why I think the earth isn’t flat, he’s shown me his YouTube videos. He’s still obsessed. I even showed him why the Bedford experiment was flawed.

Top and bottom of it, believe what you want discuss like adults don’t die trying. Peace out.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

A few points from the responses above -

1 if HIV was to be used as a biological weapon wouldn’t it be more effective if people didn’t take so long to die! Now infected people can live long relatively healthy lives so it’s not really a weapon at all.

2 would scientists really allow blood transfusions without knowing the effects? What if it infected them or their family? I don’t think scientists would play Russian roulette with their families.

3 in the 21st century we should still be encouraging and practicing safe sex. The risks seem to be forgotten or ignored.

4 research is funded usually by research councils (UK), pharmaceutical companies, charities (Cancer, asthma, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Crohn’s, etc). Not all the research is unbiased but should be able to be replicated to support the findings. Too often the pharmaceutical industry rushes to produce products that have not been fully tested.

I’m not sure what the intention of the original question was but it certainly created a debate. The OP should embrace the suggestions and make his own mind up.

Personally I don’t really care where it came from. What I do care about is how it affected a good friend of mine and robbed him of his quality of life, his wife, his chance to have a family and of his ability to play in an orchestra. He was a talented musician who was infected through a blood transfusion. He was taking over 30 tablets a day to manage his condition.

Have your discussions but remember that for some HIV and AIDS is a reality and not to be taken lightly.

Be safe.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

"

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video."

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"There's bigger problems on the horizon than hiv.

The rise of the super bacteria

Will they have tiny capes?"

I hope so, then we will be able to see the little fuckers coming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got ripped to shreds on the forum a few weeks back for questioning barebacking in the swinging scene

I'd been in a situation basically where I was called on to play with a lady who had just been barebacked by a stranger and I was the next course on her menu...

I politely refused

But I could not believe how willing people are to risk there sexual health all for the sake of wearing a condom

In my mind if someone goes around randomly barebacking there either drastically uneducated or they have nothing to lose...

Hiv is real and although the treatments are good it will undoubtedly ruin your life

Also the rise in other stis like ghonnareah that are becoming resistant to treatment

Rubbing your bare genitals against someone else's feels great and yes it's horny as f#@$

But is it really worth your life?

For me no it isn't.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx"

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I got ripped to shreds on the forum a few weeks back for questioning barebacking in the swinging scene

I'd been in a situation basically where I was called on to play with a lady who had just been barebacked by a stranger and I was the next course on her menu...

I politely refused

But I could not believe how willing people are to risk there sexual health all for the sake of wearing a condom

In my mind if someone goes around randomly barebacking there either drastically uneducated or they have nothing to lose...

Hiv is real and although the treatments are good it will undoubtedly ruin your life

Also the rise in other stis like ghonnareah that are becoming resistant to treatment

Rubbing your bare genitals against someone else's feels great and yes it's horny as f#@$

But is it really worth your life?

For me no it isn't. "

You wouldn't have a life if your parents hadn't rubbed bare genitals

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis "

So you think man created it instead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has it not been about in humans since at least the 1950's? First discovered in blood from the African continent but present in the Gorilla population. Since the virus doesn't live out of the body for long, the inference is it was cross species sexual contact.

More likley to have been butchery - more blood contact and the people doing the butchery probably weren't always wearing PPE, so any cuts they had would have come into contact with infected blood.

Unlikely. The virus doesn't stay alive in a dead animal.

You do realise you bleed an animal you've slaughtered as soon as you've killed it, don't you? "

And how do you do that, then, once it's dead? Bleeding out is a cultural choice.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Has it not been about in humans since at least the 1950's? First discovered in blood from the African continent but present in the Gorilla population. Since the virus doesn't live out of the body for long, the inference is it was cross species sexual contact.

More likley to have been butchery - more blood contact and the people doing the butchery probably weren't always wearing PPE, so any cuts they had would have come into contact with infected blood.

Unlikely. The virus doesn't stay alive in a dead animal.

You do realise you bleed an animal you've slaughtered as soon as you've killed it, don't you?

And how do you do that, then, once it's dead? Bleeding out is a cultural choice. "

You hang it upside down. It's not cultural.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm wrong- it may have emerged as far back as the 19th century. When and how SIV mutated into HIV isn't known but it's associated with times of people displacement and increased consumption of bush meat both in Africa and in South America. So, apologies.

Now, if I can find that through Google and educate myself, why couldn't the writer/director/producer of the piece mentioned in the o-p?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead? "

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

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over a year ago

Doesn't work unless the heart is beating. We like pale meat and we have a diet supplemented by anything we want and don't need the blood in the meat...so we stun then slit the vessels in the neck. If you kill with a spear or an arrow, the blood is clotting by the time you get to your prey and it won't bleed out.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I'm wrong- it may have emerged as far back as the 19th century. When and how SIV mutated into HIV isn't known but it's associated with times of people displacement and increased consumption of bush meat both in Africa and in South America. So, apologies.

Now, if I can find that through Google and educate myself, why couldn't the writer/director/producer of the piece mentioned in the o-p?"

Ah because like all conspiracies, that well referenced data was of course planted to hide the real truth that humans invented it

Bit like fossils are not evidence of evolution they were all planted by humans

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx"

I do?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Doesn't work unless the heart is beating. We like pale meat and we have a diet supplemented by anything we want and don't need the blood in the meat...so we stun then slit the vessels in the neck. If you kill with a spear or an arrow, the blood is clotting by the time you get to your prey and it won't bleed out."

Do you think the heart is still beating here?

https://youtu.be/9qd-yqpruQE

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do? "

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator "

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator "

If I think someone is a knobhead, are they a natural knobhead, or did god make them a knobhead?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe "

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

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By *obluvs2playMan
over a year ago

redcar


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys.

It almost certainly wasn't man made. The last thing we need is yet another crackpot conspiracy theory.

That's what I love about opiniated people that refuse to accept any alternate theories ...everyone 'else' is a crackpot "

To true, I'm pretty sure it was man made, I watched a good documentary on the subject a while back vaugily remember lots of interesting theory that support it being man made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, it came from an African making love to a gorilla."

Huh?

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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago

North Oxfordshire

There are some crazy people in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

"

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

"

So did god also create knobheads or not?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?"

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea but it does seem to make a bit of sense it was man made and related to homosexuality

For a very very long time it was made out that only gay men get hiv/aids and the media supported this 100% , when in fact anyone who has unprotected sex is at risk of catching it and numbers now show that 48% of people treated in 2015 were through 'straight' sex and 47% thought gay sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

"

According to scripture the point of humans is to have their souls harvested?

Any farmer or Gardner will tell you to get a good crop you have to we ed* and prune.

If HIV etc. Don't damage the soul why would a soul harvester care?

*Apparently The word for plant's out of place is banned, so remove the space

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe it was man made, although similar viruses exist in Primate populations, there's even a similar viruses that affects felines.

Probably an experiment that went wrong, after all most nation's have tried to develop biological weaponry of some strain over the past 100 + years, and I guess it still goes on. "

Damn clever of these 19th century scientists then, to recognise and isolate the virus in parts of the world they'd only just discovered then mutate it somehow to be capable of living in humans and in cats ( bit of a cat- hater there). All so that its spread in humans can kill homoesexual men in the First World in the 1980's. Pretty forward thinking.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

According to scripture the point of humans is to have their souls harvested?

Any farmer or Gardner will tell you to get a good crop you have to we ed* and prune.

If HIV etc. Don't damage the soul why would a soul harvester care?

*Apparently The word for plant's out of place is banned, so remove the space "

However. Most who claim to be Christian do not claim to believe or follow any particular part of the scripture , the all have their own specific , none specific thoughts which we are unable to know

All we know is they believe Christ is the saviour and god is his father and a creator

Beyond that we will be told we don't know what they believe, hence my question upon their take upon their gods specific and most deliberate design of hiv and the torturous tuberculosis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Damn clever of these 19th century scientists then, to recognise and isolate the virus in parts of the world they'd only just discovered then mutate it somehow to be capable of living in humans and in cats ( bit of a cat- hater there). All so that its spread in humans can kill homoesexual men in the First World in the 1980's. Pretty forward thinking."

Not really the first possible diagnosis were in 1959, but no confirmed diagnosis until 10 years later, while AZT was produced and licenced by US government in 1964.

All history of the virus is conjecture with no actual evidence.

So it is sufficiently shaky to be made up (well it is actually made up) as if it existed nobody was looking for it until about 70 years later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" However. Most who claim to be Christian do not claim to believe or follow any particular part of the scripture , the all have their own specific , none specific thoughts which we are unable to know

"

I can be quite cruel sometimes, but I think you do Christians a bit of a disservice there, the various branches do read and study the bible quite a lot. Even have regular weekly meetings to share what they learn.

I mean they skip over bits like when you find an embarrassing picture in a book you are showing your nan, but they do work quite hard on it.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Doesn't work unless the heart is beating. We like pale meat and we have a diet supplemented by anything we want and don't need the blood in the meat...so we stun then slit the vessels in the neck. If you kill with a spear or an arrow, the blood is clotting by the time you get to your prey and it won't bleed out."

Only if the animal is killed. Most hunts with a sort or arrow result in disabling not killing. When the hunter reaches the disabled animal then he kills it.

A rich source of energy is blood. Some people will , do, have d*unk the blood direct from an animal. It taught in survival training.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

So did god also create knobheads or not? "

So I guess some atheists can't answer despite claiming to know what billions of people think.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


" However. Most who claim to be Christian do not claim to believe or follow any particular part of the scripture , the all have their own specific , none specific thoughts which we are unable to know

I can be quite cruel sometimes, but I think you do Christians a bit of a disservice there, the various branches do read and study the bible quite a lot. Even have regular weekly meetings to share what they learn.

I mean they skip over bits like when you find an embarrassing picture in a book you are showing your nan, but they do work quite hard on it."

That would be the normal assumption

Bear in

mind I refer to fab Christians who if one were to ever assume they follow a particular bit which you elude that they have studied it will be flatly denied

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

So did god also create knobheads or not? "

Oh an attempt at an offensive ad hominem lol

As an atheist no as I don't think a god exists I will always answer , yet you have not

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

So did god also create knobheads or not?

Oh an attempt at an offensive ad hominem lol

As an atheist no as I don't think a god exists I will always answer , yet you have not "

I did answer, and you told me that I believed different! You like to pretend that you know what I believe.

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By *obluvs2playMan
over a year ago

redcar


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

"

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason

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By *obluvs2playMan
over a year ago

redcar


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason "

Didn't see your last paragraph lol. But who's to say there isn't a creator/more advanced race/thing that's just as sadistic as us humans that liked rabbits and was enacting revenge upon humans in a karma like way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason

Didn't see your last paragraph lol. But who's to say there isn't a creator/more advanced race/thing that's just as sadistic as us humans that liked rabbits and was enacting revenge upon humans in a karma like way "

Hang on... are you suggesting that the one true god, may be a fluffy bunny

That will fuck us up at the pearly gates won't it

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason "

Humans did NOT create Myxomatosis. It originated in Brazil and is a natural virus.

What humans did do was introduce Myxomatosis into the rabbit populations in certain countries ( Australia and NZ) where Myxomatosis was unknown in an attempt to cull the species

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

So did god also create knobheads or not?

Oh an attempt at an offensive ad hominem lol

As an atheist no as I don't think a god exists I will always answer , yet you have not

I did answer, and you told me that I believed different! You like to pretend that you know what I believe. "

I will apologise I've just 're read and can't see where you said why you thought a creator invented hiv .

And thus can't see where I said you believe different either . Perhaps just 're post your reply for clarification

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

So did god also create knobheads or not?

Oh an attempt at an offensive ad hominem lol

As an atheist no as I don't think a god exists I will always answer , yet you have not

I did answer, and you told me that I believed different! You like to pretend that you know what I believe.

I will apologise I've just 're read and can't see where you said why you thought a creator invented hiv .

And thus can't see where I said you believe different either . Perhaps just 're post your reply for clarification "

Of course.

[You]...you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

[Me] I do? 

[You] Yes you do 

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By *obluvs2playMan
over a year ago

redcar


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason

Didn't see your last paragraph lol. But who's to say there isn't a creator/more advanced race/thing that's just as sadistic as us humans that liked rabbits and was enacting revenge upon humans in a karma like way

Hang on... are you suggesting that the one true god, may be a fluffy bunny

That will fuck us up at the pearly gates won't it "

Lol no just suggesting that there is many different creeds each with their own believes, some whackyier than others but in the end not one of them can prove they are the correct ones that includes science based theorys sudo science the whole big bang thingwmybob is just as proven as Allah or Jesus or my personal faviorte......the force , it could be a giant fluffy rabbit loving electric eal for any one knows haha

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By *obluvs2playMan
over a year ago

redcar


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason

Humans did NOT create Myxomatosis. It originated in Brazil and is a natural virus.

What humans did do was introduce Myxomatosis into the rabbit populations in certain countries ( Australia and NZ) where Myxomatosis was unknown in an attempt to cull the species "

The point being the same humans playing God over other creatures. I genuinely thought it was a man made virus though

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The evidence trail and depth doesn't really support the conspiracy theory. But if the flat earth theory seems feasible to you, then thos HIV one could be up your street too. Plenty of explanation just in this thread that should give most people a fairly clear understanding of how this virus probably came to humans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The evidence trail and depth doesn't really support the conspiracy theory. But if the flat earth theory seems feasible to you, then thos HIV one could be up your street too. Plenty of explanation just in this thread that should give most people a fairly clear understanding of how this virus probably came to humans."

I am just grateful that in the 50 or so years it's been around and known about, it has infected relatively few so hasn't mutated into a stronger virus that can pass by other means, or survive on door handles etc.

Hope they can do more to stop it soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The evidence trail and depth doesn't really support the conspiracy theory. But if the flat earth theory seems feasible to you, then thos HIV one could be up your street too. Plenty of explanation just in this thread that should give most people a fairly clear understanding of how this virus probably came to humans.

I am just grateful that in the 50 or so years it's been around and known about, it has infected relatively few so hasn't mutated into a stronger virus that can pass by other means, or survive on door handles etc.

Hope they can do more to stop it soon."

knobs not handles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The evidence trail and depth doesn't really support the conspiracy theory. But if the flat earth theory seems feasible to you, then thos HIV one could be up your street too. Plenty of explanation just in this thread that should give most people a fairly clear understanding of how this virus probably came to humans.

I am just grateful that in the 50 or so years it's been around and known about, it has infected relatively few so hasn't mutated into a stronger virus that can pass by other means, or survive on door handles etc.

Hope they can do more to stop it soon.

knobs not handles"

My doors have handles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Man can't make that surely !!!I think its existed since the ice age

First known case was 1959..think the ice had melted by then."

They've actually confirmed now it was around in Africa before WW1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, it came from humans eating "bush meat", or infected monkeys.

Indeed, just the same as Ebola, Vice did a good documentary on it a few years back.

Cats can get AIDS as well, which proves it's a natural occurring thing."

AIDS is a condition of the HIV infection, not a virus in its OWN right.

Monkeys, chimps = SIV

Cats = FIV

Humans = HIV

Cats acquired it through natural hunting of Bush meat before domestication.

HIV in humans has been tracked back previously WW1, but was probably in the human population before that, before travel and was isolated to certain tribes in Central Africa.

So yes in some way, westernisation did spread HIV!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People people.. there is a cure for every disease that man/woman have made.. it's all about cash...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The evidence trail and depth doesn't really support the conspiracy theory. But if the flat earth theory seems feasible to you, then thos HIV one could be up your street too. Plenty of explanation just in this thread that should give most people a fairly clear understanding of how this virus probably came to humans.

I am just grateful that in the 50 or so years it's been around and known about, it has infected relatively few so hasn't mutated into a stronger virus that can pass by other means, or survive on door handles etc.

Hope they can do more to stop it soon."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The evidence trail and depth doesn't really support the conspiracy theory. But if the flat earth theory seems feasible to you, then thos HIV one could be up your street too. Plenty of explanation just in this thread that should give most people a fairly clear understanding of how this virus probably came to humans.

I am just grateful that in the 50 or so years it's been around and known about, it has infected relatively few so hasn't mutated into a stronger virus that can pass by other means, or survive on door handles etc.

Hope they can do more to stop it soon."

If it mutated to spread easier, it would then also become less harmful or easier to treat!

There are millions of harmless viruses in the human body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

First things first, I do not believe in a creator God or any other term.

But for the sake of argument...

Rabbits are nice, seldom bite people's legs off and a good food source for many creatures including humans.

So we created a parasite born disease to keep the population down.

Maybe hiv and tuberculosis are simular in purpose if there is a creator?

Yes and humans are stupid malicious and sadistic

Your point is an all knowing creator fully knowing the consequences

Would have Designed hiv and tuberculosis to torture and control the population of humanity

Humans did create a virus to cull cute fluffy rabbits even though they seldom bite people's legs off lol.....mixy was man made for that very reason

Humans did NOT create Myxomatosis. It originated in Brazil and is a natural virus.

What humans did do was introduce Myxomatosis into the rabbit populations in certain countries ( Australia and NZ) where Myxomatosis was unknown in an attempt to cull the species

The point being the same humans playing God over other creatures. I genuinely thought it was a man made virus though"

TB is bacterial and been around for centuries, before we had the ability to engineer!

Myxomatosis was first seen uraguay and spread by fleas and mosquitoes. Yes indeed it was introduced to Oz NZ, to cull.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People people.. there is a cure for every disease that man/woman have made.. it's all about cash..."

can you explain that please? are you saying its just a matter of putting more cash into research? or that somehow, not having a cure yet is profitable?..and have you not absorbed any of the above? it wasn't made made by man/woman!!!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"We live in a post truth world where science is dismissed in favour of loudly spoken nonsense.

Where we are told experts are not experts.

Where years of scientific evidence is ignored.

The list of crackpot, out right barmy, theory being put forward as being as legitimate as scientific research is endless

911

Moon landings

Climate change as a hoax

HIV as some form of genetic weapon

Its scary isn't it that these ideas are given as much credence as legitimate experts. That decades of experience is dismissed because some guy watched a YouTube video.

You missed Jesus as a saviour , class a hoax xxx

Of course I can never get a straight answer from a Christian or Muslim why their god spent millions of years carefully designing hiv , and tuberculosis

So you think man created it instead?

No I don't read above you know I think it evolved , however you don't you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

I do?

Yes you do . Read the thread regarding UK a Christian country and your stand point upon the existence of a creator

Right, thanks for letter me know what I believe and don't believe

I DON'T need to tell you you told us

xxx. Quote

It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating.

It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others.

Ok so you told us you believe in a creator

A creator creates

If it exists a person who believes in a creator believes the creator was the reason it exists it was created , even if said creator created evolution the believer believes the creator knows what it was creating

Certainly bearing in mind a certain believer thinks this creator is watching

Thus my simple question which believers never answer and side step just like centour does

Is why do they think their creator created hiv and tuberculosis

So did god also create knobheads or not?

Oh an attempt at an offensive ad hominem lol

As an atheist no as I don't think a god exists I will always answer , yet you have not

I did answer, and you told me that I believed different! You like to pretend that you know what I believe.

I will apologise I've just 're read and can't see where you said why you thought a creator invented hiv .

And thus can't see where I said you believe different either . Perhaps just 're post your reply for clarification

Of course.

[You]...you think a god designed them both . I wonder why a believer who thinks their god is worthy of worship , spent it's time ensuring such vile parasites exist at all xxx

[Me] I do? 

[You] Yes you do "

Ah indeed my bad

We had certainly established that you believe in a god , it could perhaps be established you believe the Christian god

I will apologise as I have not met a Christian who does not think their god is a creator god

That's a whole new concept I would love to learn about . So surely a god that has not created/designed the universe and all within it is not actually a god but just an alien life form and does this concept not go against the Christian doctrine you suggest keeps you from stealing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Damn clever of these 19th century scientists then, to recognise and isolate the virus in parts of the world they'd only just discovered then mutate it somehow to be capable of living in humans and in cats ( bit of a cat- hater there). All so that its spread in humans can kill homoesexual men in the First World in the 1980's. Pretty forward thinking.

Not really the first possible diagnosis were in 1959, but no confirmed diagnosis until 10 years later, while AZT was produced and licenced by US government in 1964.

All history of the virus is conjecture with no actual evidence.

So it is sufficiently shaky to be made up (well it is actually made up) as if it existed nobody was looking for it until about 70 years later."

Investigating the trail of viruses is a bit like doing an ancestor gene test- the trail is done on an intercellular level. Our ancestors aren't alive but they can be traced back. Somewhat similarly, virus pedigrees. The exact date of first emergence is debatable but certainly about 80- 100 years ago, if not before 1900s

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