FabSwingers.com forum: Organ donation

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Should you have to opt in to organ donation?

Or do you welcome the change and think people should opt out?

Personally, once I’m dead, I don’t need anything, give it all away as far as I’m concerned

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should have to opt out. Yes, your body and organs are yours, but neglecting someone else's health when you're already dead, is not something we should accept.

Be nice, save lives, even when you're dead.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the idea of the opt out.

If there's anything useful left of me when I shuffle off, they can have it. I wouldn't want to hold up any potential donations because I'd forgot to opt in.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We already have an opt out organ donation scheme in Wales. Again we are ahead of the game .

It's working well

. I keep my diner card handy just in case . Though I'm sure not many would want my liver lol

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

It’s about time we were opt out. I’m already registered and have been most of my adult life. A few years ago I discovered I will need a transplant in years to come and I know that not enough organs are available. This has made feel even more strongly about donating my organs

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We already have an opt out organ donation scheme in Wales. Again we are ahead of the game .

It's working well

. I keep my diner card handy just in case . Though I'm sure not many would want my liver lol

Alright there Hannibal

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *airymagicWoman
over a year ago

goblin city

Absolutely, opt out policy.

To many life saving organs wasted. Just imagine the crazy effect it would have on us as a country.

It would be amazing

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As soon as I found out about organ donation I registered. I think it's a great idea.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

Some bloke will be very lucky if he ends up with my organ

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It makes sense to have an opt out system.

It must be hard to be the family but I know many people who have gained comfort from their loved one helping others live.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

I'm on the organ donor list and the bone marrow donor list.

Once I'm dead what bits of me that are not used will go to medical research or a body farm.

Opt out makes perfect sense to me.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Sorry to go against the trend but opt in all the way. For me personally I couldn't care less. Use what you can of mine. I am registered as a Donor. But I don't agree that it should be the default. A family should have the right to say no if their loved one has not consented. Opt out takes away their say. That just doesn't sit right with me.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *onbons_xxMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I'd think it was better if there was a more informed choice. Make it easier, there's a big need, but education wise there just needs to be more touch points. Opting out of things isn't the best precedent.

Though folk can take my body for whatever they like.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"Sorry to go against the trend but opt in all the way. For me personally I couldn't care less. Use what you can of mine. I am registered as a Donor. But I don't agree that it should be the default. A family should have the right to say no if their loved one has not consented. Opt out takes away their say. That just doesn't sit right with me."

I thought you still needed the families permission.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm not sure about it. I've been a registered organ donor for years with the exception of my eyes but I think I'd rather have an opt in system.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it"

I wouldn’t, organ donation is a good thing and saves lives, no matter how much of a twat someone can be.

Peadophiles on the hand, I feel differently about them

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

Opt out is a good thing. The thought of people living their lives suffering when perfectly good organs are disposed of, cannot be right.

Currently there are a lot of people that don’t get around to making their wishes known, then there are those people that can’t or won’t make that decision when a loved one dies. This would prevent all of that.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I’ve told my friends and family that the more I’m buried with, the more disappointed I will be.

If I save one person I’ll be happy

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it’s a good thing as I think the majority of people would give their organs but it’s not something you ever really think about

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

"I’ve told my friends and family that the more I’m buried with, the more disappointed I will be.

If I save one person I’ll be happy "

Proud of you

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It should be opt out. If people feel that strongly about not donating they will quickly make the effort to officially opt out rather than procrastinate like so many do over opting in.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm kinda undecided. Yes I want to think idealistically and to give more people the chance of a longer life but I'm also aware of the fact the world is already overpopulated, our aging population is putting more and mote strain on our economy and on a basic level our space on the earth.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’ve told my friends and family that the more I’m buried with, the more disappointed I will be.

If I save one person I’ll be happy

Proud of you "

Thanks mother

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It should be opt out. If people feel that strongly about not donating they will quickly make the effort to officially opt out rather than procrastinate like so many do over opting in."

I think that is a reasonable perspective

IF a person feels strongly enough they don't want to then the options are available to opt out , most are meh

Me I have organ donation then my body is signed up for medical research and finally I've willed my skeleton to be preserved and used for teaching

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It should be opt out. If people feel that strongly about not donating they will quickly make the effort to officially opt out rather than procrastinate like so many do over opting in."

I wouldn’t mind opting in for a night with you

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Whether an opt in or an opt out system is used your next of kin have the final say on if your organs should be donated. If they say no it doesn't matter what your wishes are.

I would rather see a system where the donors wishes are followed and their family can't override them.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Selective opt out. Once you're dead you don't need them, so why not let someone else have a chance at life.

If it was possible I'd sign up for a living donor register. Your liver grows back after a living donation, think how many more people could be saved if it was possible to donate while still alive.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

I thought you still needed the families permission. "

Oooo. If that is the case I am on board.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it"

Wow. That's extreme thinking.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *urlesque!Woman
over a year ago

Gloucester

I fully agree it should remain opt in. My body belongs to me and me alone and no government has the right to assume otherwise. If it became law I would instantly opt out - my body - my decision.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"Whether an opt in or an opt out system is used your next of kin have the final say on if your organs should be donated. If they say no it doesn't matter what your wishes are.

I would rather see a system where the donors wishes are followed and their family can't override them."

O that I agree with. I would hope my family would not go against my wishes. It's bloody complicated this donor business.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking."
I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

I want my body to go to Gunther von hagens for his plastication, failing that a body farm. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of organ donation but I'm not sure mine would be usable anyway.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does? "

O i totally get your point. Just ouch, no I can't agree with that.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *urlesque!Woman
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does? "

I agree with you and I would not expect to. Only fair.

To qualify my stance on donation, I would donate if I knew it would to my immediate family, chance of a better match anyway.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does? "

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I fully agree it should remain opt in. My body belongs to me and me alone and no government has the right to assume otherwise. If it became law I would instantly opt out - my body - my decision."

Thus as above you are happy to opt out of receiving anothers organs ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been on the do Not register for years so.opt in/opt out is a bit academic in my case.

But I do feel the state has no right to dictate to people what happens to their body after they are gone.

While the donor shortage problem is serious this should be a matter of conscience and not one where people are forced to opt out to protect their rights or beliefs.

That in essence is just another form of the naming and shaming culture that seems to be taking over do much of life.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It should be opt out. If people feel that strongly about not donating they will quickly make the effort to officially opt out rather than procrastinate like so many do over opting in.

I wouldn’t mind opting in for a night with you

"
Smoooooth! I see what you did there

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting "

What I'm suggesting is, if you choose to opt out of donating an organ in the event of your death, you should not expect to be given the opportunity to recieve one from another person while you are still alive? Seems fair?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

I've got an old Bontempi knocking round if anyone wants it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I would be happy to donate my organs, after death, but when my Mum died last year, I couldn't bear the thought of her organs being taken from her

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Hubby has always been take anything once I’m gone.

Has made that clear from the day that I met him 33 years back.

Even put it on his driving licence forms.

Mrs

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?"

No, doesn't seem fair to me.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

No, doesn't seem fair to me."

To qualify for a new liver if you've damaged through misuse, you need to be clean for 6 months..

So yes I think if you've misused but turned your life around, you should be entitled to a new liver, regardless..

In the other hand, if you are saying you wouldn't potentially help save a life in the event of your death by opting out of organ donation, then someone more deserving should get a new organ before you in the event of you needing one post accident

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

No, doesn't seem fair to me.

To qualify for a new liver if you've damaged through misuse, you need to be clean for 6 months..

So yes I think if you've misused but turned your life around, you should be entitled to a new liver, regardless..

And who plays god ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

No, doesn't seem fair to me.

To qualify for a new liver if you've damaged through misuse, you need to be clean for 6 months..

So yes I think if you've misused but turned your life around, you should be entitled to a new liver, regardless..

And who plays god ?"

Who says an ex user deserves a new liver less than someone opting out of organ donation?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 14/12/17 23:39:40]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought, but for all those who are opt out, you would agree then, that another person/organisation etc can do anything they want to you unless you specifically tell them they can’t do it?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a thought, but for all those who are opt out, you would agree then, that another person/organisation etc can do anything they want to you unless you specifically tell them they can’t do it?"

I personally wouldn't care if I was dead.. but I think others may feel differently

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We already have an opt out organ donation scheme in Wales. Again we are ahead of the game .

It's working well

. I keep my diner card handy just in case . Though I'm sure not many would want my liver lol

Same here.. have always been on the register but happy for them to take my internal bits and pieces before they whack me in the ground/oven...

Its no biggie having to opt out... if you feel strongly

I cant understand why people in England are suddenly losing their shit over this. My facebook is full of it. Its 5p carrierbag gate all over again

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a thought, but for all those who are opt out, you would agree then, that another person/organisation etc can do anything they want to you unless you specifically tell them they can’t do it?

I personally wouldn't care if I was dead.. but I think others may feel differently "

I’m talking about if you’re alive too?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

No, doesn't seem fair to me.

To qualify for a new liver if you've damaged through misuse, you need to be clean for 6 months..

So yes I think if you've misused but turned your life around, you should be entitled to a new liver, regardless..

And who plays god ?

Who says an ex user deserves a new liver less than someone opting out of organ donation?"

Exactly! And reverse your own statement - who says somebody who does not wish to donate their organs is any less deserving than someone who has put themsleves in the position of needing organ donation .

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it should be an opt out system , I am opted in and have made it clear to my family. I have even spoken to my daughter about it and she has opted in except for her eyes.

The problem with the current system seems to be that people mean to opt in but never get round to it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That in essence is just another form of the naming and shaming culture that seems to be taking over do much of life."

Its confidential so hows it naming and shaming?

Relatively few people will ever be in a position to donate, since you have to be brain dead and on life support... so if someones opted out... they just pull the plug and wheel you off to the mortuary. You wont know anything about it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

cc hotel

"People should have to opt out. Yes, your body and organs are yours, but neglecting someone else's health when you're already dead, is not something we should accept.

Be nice, save lives, even when you're dead."

agreed.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

cc hotel

We shouldn't leave the onus on others to have to make the decision....opt out with a proper awareness campaign over the years should ensure that we all aware of the implications of sitting on our hands and doing nothing. Can't really think of any valid reasons for opting out....we never know anyone may need a transplant at any stage in life. Don't knock it you may need it is my motto.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We already have an opt out organ donation scheme in Wales. Again we are ahead of the game .

It's working well

. I keep my diner card handy just in case . Though I'm sure not many would want my liver lol

Same here.. have always been on the register but happy for them to take my internal bits and pieces before they whack me in the ground/oven...

Its no biggie having to opt out... if you feel strongly

I cant understand why people in England are suddenly losing their shit over this. My facebook is full of it. Its 5p carrierbag gate all over again

I think it is a biggie. my feeling is there is quite an important point of principal. Having to inform the state/system that they do not have a default right to my body is very different to donating/giving through your own choice.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some bloke will be very lucky if he ends up with my organ

Is it in tune?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

my friends little boy had a liver transplant 2 years ok and is doing well ..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So do we start a culture that unless we specifically state otherwise, we accept that anything can be done to us?

I can think of plenty of things I don’t want to happen to me. Dead or alive.

I’d prefer not to have to specifically “opt out” of any of them....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *un4meanduMan
over a year ago

STOTFOLD

Lost a close family member a few months ago due to an accident he was left with non survivable brain injury , we followed his wishes to donate now 2 people and their families have a better life.

I think its great to have to opt out but I'm in anyway

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *cot611Man
over a year ago

carterton

no brainer this one. if something good can come from something bad it has to be done. a friend of mine who lost a close family member found the fact the organs had given other people a future helped with the grief. donation should be mandatory.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

No, doesn't seem fair to me.

To qualify for a new liver if you've damaged through misuse, you need to be clean for 6 months..

So yes I think if you've misused but turned your life around, you should be entitled to a new liver, regardless..

And who plays god ?

Who says an ex user deserves a new liver less than someone opting out of organ donation?

"
it just seems hypocritical.. not willing to give, but happy to receive?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

I'm inclined to agree. Education and an efficient opt in system would be my choice I think.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *un4meanduMan
over a year ago

STOTFOLD

Even opted in I think it will still be as it is now if someone has a card and still have to ask next of kin if they agree to it .

But as my last post I'm in and would encourage anyone to sign up .

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

I work with a woman born blind. She had retinal transplants and is now a palliative care nurse? It's not just saving lives but improving them too

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I think if you opt out, you should automatically be exempt from receiving any organ if you need it

Wow. That's extreme thinking.I just think, if you're not willing to give the opportunity to save a life, why should you take from another who does?

I suspect you haven’t thought through the whole concept you are suggesting

Consider this:

Person 1 - is opted in, and happy to donate . Needs a new liver due to disease caused by persistent drinking. Gets the liver.

Person 2 - is opted out. Needs a new liver due to an unforeseen accident .

Doesn’t get a liver

Seems fair?

No, doesn't seem fair to me.

To qualify for a new liver if you've damaged through misuse, you need to be clean for 6 months..

So yes I think if you've misused but turned your life around, you should be entitled to a new liver, regardless..

And who plays god ?

Who says an ex user deserves a new liver less than someone opting out of organ donation?

it just seems hypocritical.. not willing to give, but happy to receive? "

Not hypocritical.

Medical ethics - never an easy subject, and would never come down to a single tick box question “are you an organ

Donor or not “

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

How would everyone feel if they introduced an opt out system for bone marrow donation, kidney donation, blood?

The same principle or not?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

Currently in England 34% of the adult population is signed up as a donor. In two years only 6% have opted out in Wales.

I'm part of an organisation that did a year of active campaigning recently. In a year we boosted local sign ups to 45% and that figure is still rising. You cannot say that people who want to donate are already signed up.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening "

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

But that is personal choice and my own social responsibility. No state body should have the right to remove those personal freedoms by appropriating to itself the power to determine what happens to our bodies at or around the time of death.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again! "

Thanks

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening "

Unfortunately this is one of the big frustrations. You can carry a card, tell everyone you know that you want to donate, but a relative for their own reasons can ignore your wishes. It happens regularly, over three times a week in the UK.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again! "

If you have the right to opt out then you lose no freedom. There is no state control of your body.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again!

If you have the right to opt out then you lose no freedom. There is no state control of your body. "

State control would be assumed unless you “opted out” and that is entirely backwards

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again!

If you have the right to opt out then you lose no freedom. There is no state control of your body.

State control would be assumed unless you “opted out” and that is entirely backwards"

Why? What is wrong with the State looking after its citizens? And how is it control if you can opt out? Currently even if you opt in that choice isn't yours in the end but your family's. How is that better?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I shouldn't have to opt out of having my organs harvested to be put in someone else..the same as I find having someone else's organs weird, I find the idea of cutting people up and swapping parts about alien and weird, I don't want anyone's old parts and I'll take my chances cheers.

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again!

If you have the right to opt out then you lose no freedom. There is no state control of your body.

State control would be assumed unless you “opted out” and that is entirely backwards

There's nothing wrong with the state looking after its citizens, if they are given the choice to go under that control...not automatically be under it and need to opt out of it, that's back to front

Seems like one more tiny bit of erosion of personal freedom. Something doesn't sit right about it being this way around at all

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

"I shouldn't have to opt out of having my organs harvested to be put in someone else..the same as I find having someone else's organs weird, I find the idea of cutting people up and swapping parts about alien and weird, I don't want anyone's old parts and I'll take my chances cheers.

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about "

Where is it advertised? There was a long, widely publicised consultation in Wales followed by a Parliamentary process then many months of setting up the systems. It was publicised in many different ways over several years. In Wales primarily as that is where it applies but most English media and social media covered it. Over the past 3 years I've personally had face to face conversations about it with several hundred, maybe a thousand or more, different people in England.

Now this process is beginning with a consultation in England this information will be made available again. It is not a secret. It is very widely known.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about

Now this process is beginning with a consultation in England this information will be made available again. It is not a secret. It is very widely known. "

Once again we see "oh noes, tis bad.."

I've even seen people talking about it "only" being so the NHS can sell organs to order etc on groups on Facebook

As a Welsh person living with it, the over reaction just smacks of the paranoia and stereotypes off English people.. must be more to it, people doing things to be against me/ exploiting me.

I just don't get that attitude.. you're dead?! Why does it matter when you're dead, like meat in a butchers shop? We all live, We all die..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amiePhuktMan
over a year ago

Bristol

I dont mind donating my organ to a lovely lady....... Oh wait sorry didnt read thread properly lol

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about

Now this process is beginning with a consultation in England this information will be made available again. It is not a secret. It is very widely known.

Once again we see "oh noes, tis bad.."

I've even seen people talking about it "only" being so the NHS can sell organs to order etc on groups on Facebook

As a Welsh person living with it, the over reaction just smacks of the paranoia and stereotypes off English people.. must be more to it, people doing things to be against me/ exploiting me.

I just don't get that attitude.. you're dead?! Why does it matter when you're dead, like meat in a butchers shop? We all live, We all die.. "

I'm not English

Bit of an odd one to pull the race card on, still, well done

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's fine. Just watching the dynamic on various issues over the years. Wales or Scotland bring in something with little comment or objection and England follow.. cud outrage and frothing at the mouth about rights being eroded and how outrageous etc... god forbid anyone does anythinv progressive or that works... that's not ok.

Little wonder these laws begin in devolved areas.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a donor card all my life if the last thing I do is help someone in need with an organ life was worth living to do a good deed on my death giving someone something they desperately need

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to see it changed to opting out. After all, your dead body can't complain if I want to use it for anything after your gone anyway.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about

Now this process is beginning with a consultation in England this information will be made available again. It is not a secret. It is very widely known.

Once again we see "oh noes, tis bad.."

I've even seen people talking about it "only" being so the NHS can sell organs to order etc on groups on Facebook

As a Welsh person living with it, the over reaction just smacks of the paranoia and stereotypes off English people.. must be more to it, people doing things to be against me/ exploiting me.

I just don't get that attitude.. you're dead?! Why does it matter when you're dead, like meat in a butchers shop? We all live, We all die.. "

Yeah, being racist is always the best way to win an argument....

You don’t get it, therefore everyone else is wrong....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Now that really pisses me off!! Family should have no right to change something that person wanted.

I want it to be an opt out system. With no family intervention.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Now that really pisses me off!! Family should have no right to change something that person wanted.

I want it to be an opt out system. With no family intervention. "

family love to get one over on you, even when your gone. Bastards.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely opt out.

I just think of all the people who would donate haven't necessarily registered.

Let's become like Wales - it needs to happen and soon

Also known as the state taking over the right to appropriate any persons body parts with a further erosion of personal freedoms.

Turn your argument on its head. How many of those who do not wish to donate their organs will omit to opt out!

The state does not own us body and soul.

Further to the poster above, i imagine you'd happily receive a donated organ should you ever need one, hopefully never.

I think the family still have the rights to stop it happening

Currently the family do have that right. And yes if required I would happily accept a donation as I made clear further up the thread when I stated I had been on the donor register since I was 18.

It must be the week for resurrections....

Welcome back... again!

If you have the right to opt out then you lose no freedom. There is no state control of your body.

State control would be assumed unless you “opted out” and that is entirely backwards

How is that “looking after its citizens?”

Or is that only looking after the citizens that agree with them and conform to what they tell them to do?

In addition it’s been stated that if people are that worried about organ donation then they will opt out.

Quite correct, given an entirely diverse group of people have the same level of understanding, that they act on fear of what may happen if they don’t.

Reminds me of how some other more eastern governments operate....

Let’s not get this debate wrong, as many of you are entirely missing the point. (Which this action and subject matter relies on you being duped and not seeing it for what it is).

This debate is not about wether organ donation is right or wrong, it’s not a debate about wether there are enough organs available to save people

It’s a debate on wether we should allow the government and other state bodies can make assumptions about what we want, and what they can do to us, without us specifically telling them not to do it.

“Opting out” seems like a stealth tactic to get a desirable outcome without infringing on people’s wishes. Clever and under hand.

What else should we end up having to “opt out” of should we create this culture.

Increased taxes

Number of children

Seizing of good and assets

Movement of people

Rights and privileges

I could go on.

Please don’t be so dim enough to be duped into thinking this is about organ donation, when the darker motivation of this proposed action is based on being pushed through by people who are.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ancastermanMan
over a year ago

carnforth

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about

Now this process is beginning with a consultation in England this information will be made available again. It is not a secret. It is very widely known.

Once again we see "oh noes, tis bad.."

I've even seen people talking about it "only" being so the NHS can sell organs to order etc on groups on Facebook

As a Welsh person living with it, the over reaction just smacks of the paranoia and stereotypes off English people.. must be more to it, people doing things to be against me/ exploiting me.

I just don't get that attitude.. you're dead?! Why does it matter when you're dead, like meat in a butchers shop? We all live, We all die..

I'm not English

Bit of an odd one to pull the race card on, still, well done

It's not racist to say something smacks of a stereotype.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 15/12/17 07:50:46]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where is this opt out thing advertised? It's the first I've heard..quietly changing stuff so they can get hold of more organs it feels like.

Those who want to know they can so please..do, but those who don't want that now have to go out of their way to prevent that happening to themselves? Somehow seems the wrong way about

Now this process is beginning with a consultation in England this information will be made available again. It is not a secret. It is very widely known.

Once again we see "oh noes, tis bad.."

I've even seen people talking about it "only" being so the NHS can sell organs to order etc on groups on Facebook

As a Welsh person living with it, the over reaction just smacks of the paranoia and stereotypes off English people.. must be more to it, people doing things to be against me/ exploiting me.

I just don't get that attitude.. you're dead?! Why does it matter when you're dead, like meat in a butchers shop? We all live, We all die..

I'm not English

Bit of an odd one to pull the race card on, still, well done

It's not racist to say something smacks of a stereotype. "

That single statement is more than enough evidence to show that despite years of education, media coverage and social change, racism still isn’t understood.

And yet the debate is trying to convince us that a little publicity and consultation would educate everyone about opting out?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *urlesque!Woman
over a year ago

Gloucester

It is a huge step to grant implicit permission to the state to do what they want with your body. It should be massive awareness campaign over the years with opt-in - that would respect personal freedom for me.