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"My thoughts on this are if your faith means you are unwilling or unable to accept people who are trans, gay, bisexual, cross dressers etc then perhaps you shouldn't be working there. " That is right, you have to be political correct working in the main stream. | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. "  Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it. | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it."The Christian teacher is not a bigot nor a hater, those that sought to attack his Christian faith and punish him for his right to freedom of conscience are the Bigots and haters... Sacking the guy for simply calling a person by their legal birth title beggars belief... | |||
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"Such a lot of misrepresentation of what he said already and the thread has hardly begun. He hasn't slated any gender , just stated his own thoughts on people being forced to accept. It's getting like a witch hunt these days. Pass an opinion and someone wants to string you up. The hangers and floggers are the scared ones. Not the other way around. " I'm reading it as people giving their general opinions, not specifically about the story. My comment was generic. *All* hate filled religious people piss me off.  | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. " Everybody that came to Jesus in humility seeking help were always given generously, but those that were proud and demanding such as that pupil and their parents went away empty handed and filled with fury as they could not endure the truth He gave them... | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it.
The Christian teacher is not a bigot nor a hater, those that sought to attack his Christian faith and punish him for his right to freedom of conscience are the Bigots and haters...
Sacking the guy for simply calling a person by their legal birth title beggars belief..."I didn't say he was a bigot. I said I don't like him using his fath to judtify his reasons for not accepting the ideology of transgengderism. | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one." Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Everybody that came to Jesus in humility seeking help were always given generously, but those that were proud and demanding such as that pupil and their parents went away empty handed and filled with fury as they could not endure the truth He gave them..." Christ..... I'd have been furied out on a daily basis. | |||
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"Forcing opinion isn’t changing people’s actual views, it’s silencing them. I vote democracy. " But this isn't about his opinion. It's about how he treated a child who is in his care. And the school decided there was an issue there. | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people " Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. | |||
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"Forcing opinion isn’t changing people’s actual views, it’s silencing them. I vote democracy. But this isn't about his opinion. It's about how he treated a child who is in his care. And the school decided there was an issue there. " How did he treat her ? | |||
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"Forcing opinion isn’t changing people’s actual views, it’s silencing them. I vote democracy. But this isn't about his opinion. It's about how he treated a child who is in his care. And the school decided there was an issue there. " I’m replying to the OP rather than any reported news. Nothing in the OP suggests the teacher any child in any way, just his written opinion. | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people " Its a forcefull intolerant minority seeking to impose via threats, vile labels and penalties their minority views on the majority... The Christians are the persecuted majority in this country... | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. " It depends on context. Did he constantly call the group "girls" even though one identified as a boy? Was it the final straw and not just a single occurrence? | |||
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"Forcing opinion isn’t changing people’s actual views, it’s silencing them. I vote democracy. But this isn't about his opinion. It's about how he treated a child who is in his care. And the school decided there was an issue there. How did he treat her ? " Shit. I've had it. I've just misgendered him.....  | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. It depends on context. Did he constantly call the group "girls" even though one identified as a boy? Was it the final straw and not just a single occurrence? " We don't know - do we ? | |||
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"Forcing opinion isn’t changing people’s actual views, it’s silencing them. I vote democracy. But this isn't about his opinion. It's about how he treated a child who is in his care. And the school decided there was an issue there. How did he treat her ? " I imagine you can read the article as well as I can. So I'm guessing you don't think mis-gendering people is a big deal. Many disagree, apparently including the school. The teacher would have been aware of that. If he can't work within his beliefs to adhere to school policy, then it's best he doesn't teach. | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. " It's not meant to, it's an answer to the poster to whom I was replying, hence quoting his post, that is all | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. It depends on context. Did he constantly call the group "girls" even though one identified as a boy? Was it the final straw and not just a single occurrence? We don't know - do we ?" These days it's guilty until proved innocent so yeah he should be drowned, but if he floats then burnt at a stake. | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. It depends on context. Did he constantly call the group "girls" even though one identified as a boy? Was it the final straw and not just a single occurrence? We don't know - do we ? These days it's guilty until proved innocent so yeah he should be drowned, but if he floats then burnt at a stake. "  fuck me ! If that was still in place, you, me and many more round here would have been toast years ago!!! | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Firstly you have to be politically correct these days because people were such arseholes in the 70s. Secondly there's a thing called body dismophia, the personality and whole being not matching the body they were born into, try and put yourself in their shoes, go out in a dress and make up, and see how comfortable you feel, then have someone tell you you have to dress that way for the next 5 years because dressing in male clothes is "just a fad" in a lot of cases there is no one around them that understands how they feel, now imagine feeling that isolated and alone during your early teens. It's not a case of "an apple can't be a pear". This is about people who are finding out who they are, and they don't need people with half cocked opinions using the Bible to beat their will into people Your argument doesn't stand up in the context of the story. All he said was , Well done girls...... The one who identifies as a boy kicked off...... That's all .....that's it in a nutshell. He hadn't actually disrespected her gender at all. It depends on context. Did he constantly call the group "girls" even though one identified as a boy? Was it the final straw and not just a single occurrence? We don't know - do we ? These days it's guilty until proved innocent so yeah he should be drowned, but if he floats then burnt at a stake. fuck me ! If that was still in place, you, me and many more round here would have been toast years ago!!!"Heyyyy don't drag me down to your level! 
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"[Removed by poster at 11/12/17 19:14:34] Too late ! Off with yours with knobs on. " I was commenting on the fact you called the child a her. Then I got scared and didn't dare post it. I hope you didn't see it. | |||
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"Forcing opinion isn’t changing people’s actual views, it’s silencing them. I vote democracy. " I vote for democracy too, sweden is a good example of how it have gone to far. | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it."Some people get pissed off when other people hate them for their religious beliefs. Just a thought! | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. " He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia..." They didn't get rid of him. He left. His position might have been made untenable but he left. | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it.
The Christian teacher is not a bigot nor a hater, those that sought to attack his Christian faith and punish him for his right to freedom of conscience are the Bigots and haters...
Sacking the guy for simply calling a person by their legal birth title beggars belief..."So to be clear , you would be happy to sit in your dress , in a room with this man and others who think like him openly tell them how you like cock and anal sex and when they exercise their freedom of conscious telling you directly how according to their interpretation of their faith you are an abomination of God's laws , you would happily look them in the eye say yes agree they are totally right and not have one negative thought towards the way they treated you ? There is a lot more to this story Having the right of freedom to speak does not mean a person is immune from those thoughts being analysed and criticised The story is NOT about a person who accidentally once called a confused child a noun they did not associate with It is directly about a religious person who does NOT agree with the concept of transgender based upon the science of a bronze age book A vegetarian chef should emphatically be a vegetarian chef , vocally fight against meat consumption within society However that chef should not apply for a job at Steve's steak house , get it then tell all the diners meat is evil , they are wrong for eating it and he won't cook it for them ! The school and papers have of course mishandled the whole thing But the principle is still valid it is NOT the teachers job to instil specific religious morality to any child | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia..." They didn't get rid of him. And clearly his beliefs interfered with doing his job in the way his employer asked him to do it. Therefore he shouldn't be doing that job. There are faith schools where he could go teach instead, where his beliefs would be supported. As a teacher it is not down to him to push his beliefs on anyone else. Teach, and do it the way you've been asked or find a position somewhere else that better suits his beliefs. | |||
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"It's just a fad at the moment. " Really? | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it.
The Christian teacher is not a bigot nor a hater, those that sought to attack his Christian faith and punish him for his right to freedom of conscience are the Bigots and haters...
Sacking the guy for simply calling a person by their legal birth title beggars belief...
So to be clear , you would be happy to sit in your dress , in a room with this man and others who think like him openly tell them how you like cock and anal sex and when they exercise their freedom of conscious telling you directly how according to their interpretation of their faith you are an abomination of God's laws , you would happily look them in the eye say yes agree they are totally right and not have one negative thought towards the way they treated you ?
There is a lot more to this story
Having the right of freedom to speak does not mean a person is immune from those thoughts being analysed and criticised
The story is NOT about a person who accidentally once called a confused child a noun they did not associate with
It is directly about a religious person who does NOT agree with the concept of transgender based upon the science of a bronze age book
A vegetarian chef should emphatically be a vegetarian chef , vocally fight against meat consumption within society
However that chef should not apply for a job at Steve's steak house , get it then tell all the diners meat is evil , they are wrong for eating it and he won't cook it for them !
The school and papers have of course mishandled the whole thing
But the principle is still valid it is NOT the teachers job to instil specific religious morality to any child
"Your painting a picture of British Christians that is not based on fact but stems from your own distorted view of them.. I respect the Christian right to hold different view points to myself, if I was to get offended then it would be me that would have the problem not them as I ought to be able to respect their views no matter how different it was to mine... | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia..." And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? " Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions?" Tories ? | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are..." Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on...... | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on......" Something you obviously have not researched with an honest heart, as said go read Christs sermon on the mount and see what the leader of Christianity has to say... | |||
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"He's entitled to his opinions on the subject and without knowing all the information I wouldn't want to say if constructive dismissal is what's happened here. To justify your opinions using your christian faith is a bit much for me. Jesus accepted everyone. Pisses me off no end when people use religion to justify their hatred of other people. At least own it.
The Christian teacher is not a bigot nor a hater, those that sought to attack his Christian faith and punish him for his right to freedom of conscience are the Bigots and haters...
Sacking the guy for simply calling a person by their legal birth title beggars belief...
So to be clear , you would be happy to sit in your dress , in a room with this man and others who think like him openly tell them how you like cock and anal sex and when they exercise their freedom of conscious telling you directly how according to their interpretation of their faith you are an abomination of God's laws , you would happily look them in the eye say yes agree they are totally right and not have one negative thought towards the way they treated you ?
There is a lot more to this story
Having the right of freedom to speak does not mean a person is immune from those thoughts being analysed and criticised
The story is NOT about a person who accidentally once called a confused child a noun they did not associate with
It is directly about a religious person who does NOT agree with the concept of transgender based upon the science of a bronze age book
A vegetarian chef should emphatically be a vegetarian chef , vocally fight against meat consumption within society
However that chef should not apply for a job at Steve's steak house , get it then tell all the diners meat is evil , they are wrong for eating it and he won't cook it for them !
The school and papers have of course mishandled the whole thing
But the principle is still valid it is NOT the teachers job to instil specific religious morality to any child
Your painting a picture of British Christians that is not based on fact but stems from your own distorted view of them..
I respect the Christian right to hold different view points to myself, if I was to get offended then it would be me that would have the problem not them as I ought to be able to respect their views no matter how different it was to mine...
"No I'm not I made no assessment of any Christians UK or otherwise I specifically mentioned his interpretation I was most deliberate as we know his interpretation and I then said others like him , not other Christians which we all know the extreme range of variation in interpretation of doctrine 
How odd you seem to be able to respect a view that thinks your sex life is an abomination yet you don't seem to be displaying any respect for my view which you ought to be able to however much it differs from yours
I also think you're being unclear about the word respect
In this context it would have two definitions
You respect their right to hold any opinion even though you disagree with their thoughts and reasoning
Or you respect their opinion , you regard their opinion as being correct one which you agree with
There are some vile things said about homosexual people trans people and black people indeed white people too
Although I may respect that a person wishes to hold these views that respect does not prevent their views impacting my assessment of their personality
A person who thinks a homosexual man should be chemically castrated should have their nasty view challenged and the person them self does not deserve any respect for holding said opinion | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on...... Something you obviously have not researched with an honest heart, as said go read Christs sermon on the mount and see what the leader of Christianity has to say..." Go and read the Communist Manifesto and see what Marx has to say? | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on...... Whilst I agree the Spanish Inquisition was carried out in the name of Christianity, the pogroms were anti faith and the church was generally against slavery. Read John Newtons history (he wrote Amazing Grace). So did you read those books properly? Finally, why is a Christian responsible for the offences of other Christians? As a white person are you responsible for the slave trade? " Pogroms were anti-Jew, as it goes. The church wasn't against slavery apart from some "loony outliers" like the Quakers (see: The Wedgewood family and their opposition to the slave trade). I'm not responsible for the slave trade, white or otherwise because I do not buy into the political organisation that gave it ideological creedence, whereas Christians do (Quakers, shakers etc excepted). | |||
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"Fuck it..... Let's all convert to person and people. So ........ when you go to the pub it's ..... Hi Persons. Ello there peoples! Practise now...... before you lose your job " I've never understood how a chick, bird or hen can have tits anyway cocker. | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on...... Something you obviously have not researched with an honest heart, as said go read Christs sermon on the mount and see what the leader of Christianity has to say... Go and read the Communist Manifesto and see what Marx has to say?
Its obvious you have not read his works"I have, as it goes. Nowhere does it say - "Put all Christians in the Gulag", and yet, that's what Stalin attempted. However, your Bible does endorse the following things (amongst other things): Slavery, stoning disobedient children, global genocide, God ordering the killing of men, women and infants, stoning r@ped women, sending angels to kill babies, God offering virgins to soldiers to r@pe, killing infidels..... And before you tell me that "The Old Testament doesn't count because...Jesus": It is repeatedly stated in the New Testament that the God of the Bible is both perfect and immutable, therefore if the New Testament is valid, everything God did or commanded in the Old Testament is still in form. Jesus himself said in various versions of the New Testament that the "old law" was still valid. The most significant being "Do not think tat I have come to abolish the law or the prophets" (Matthew 5:17). | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one." Whilst I do feel political correctness goes too far at times, I was a ‘boy’ who desperately felt I wasn’t when I was at school in the 70’s and 80’s. Other people’s attitudes and my expectation of the response I felt I would get prevented me from presenting the way I wanted to. This fad is still with me at 48 years old. The difference is that I’m stronger now mentally. Strong enough to ignore the looks and the sniggers. There are also laws that recognise me as me and people are more accepting on the whole. I hope one day people like me will be confident they can be themselves without fear...... I somehow doubt it even now though. | |||
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Its obvious you have not read his works
I have, as it goes. Nowhere does it say - "Put all Christians in the Gulag", and yet, that's what Stalin attempted.
However, your Bible does endorse the following things (amongst other things): Slavery, stoning disobedient children, global genocide, God ordering the killing of men, women and infants, stoning r@ped women, sending angels to kill babies, God offering virgins to soldiers to r@pe, killing infidels.....
And before you tell me that "The Old Testament doesn't count because...Jesus":
It is repeatedly stated in the New Testament that the God of the Bible is both perfect and immutable, therefore if the New Testament is valid, everything God did or commanded in the Old Testament is still in form.
Jesus himself said in various versions of the New Testament that the "old law" was still valid. The most significant being "Do not think tat I have come to abolish the law or the prophets" (Matthew 5:17). "Like I said.. Go read Christs sermon on the mount .... | |||
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"But why do you have to be politically correct? As if a schoolgirl who is pretending to be a boy is really a boy. Undress her and clearly she is a girl. No surgery has taken place to a child. It's just a fad at the moment. Which girl pretended to be a boy when you were at school and vice versa? No one. Whilst I do feel political correctness goes too far at times, I was a ‘boy’ who desperately felt I wasn’t when I was at school in the 70’s and 80’s. Other people’s attitudes and my expectation of the response I felt I would get prevented me from presenting the way I wanted to. This fad is still with me at 48 years old. The difference is that I’m stronger now mentally. Strong enough to ignore the looks and the sniggers. There are also laws that recognise me as me and people are more accepting on the whole. I hope one day people like me will be confident they can be themselves without fear...... I somehow doubt it even now though. " Untill we learn, become humble and accept it is ourselves that is the problem,not the world, realising it is our selfish desires that rob us of happiness... We will continue to wallow in self pity, unhappyness and mental conflict... | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on...... Something you obviously have not researched with an honest heart, as said go read Christs sermon on the mount and see what the leader of Christianity has to say... Go and read the Communist Manifesto and see what Marx has to say?
Its obvious you have not read his works
I have, as it goes. Nowhere does it say - "Put all Christians in the Gulag", and yet, that's what Stalin attempted.
However, your Bible does endorse the following things (amongst other things): Slavery, stoning disobedient children, global genocide, God ordering the killing of men, women and infants, stoning r@ped women, sending angels to kill babies, God offering virgins to soldiers to r@pe, killing infidels.....
And before you tell me that "The Old Testament doesn't count because...Jesus":
It is repeatedly stated in the New Testament that the God of the Bible is both perfect and immutable, therefore if the New Testament is valid, everything God did or commanded in the Old Testament is still in form.
Jesus himself said in various versions of the New Testament that the "old law" was still valid. The most significant being "Do not think tat I have come to abolish the law or the prophets" (Matthew 5:17).
Like I said.. Go read Christs sermon on the mount ...."I've read it - what's your point? The bible explicitly condones all kind of atrocities. Are you saying that one "fluffy" passage negates them? | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets" No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital"...." Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount" Nice cop out. | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets" maybe i'm remembering it wrong, but i had a very Catholic background and i seem to remember a lot of the sermon being about not judging, but love, acceptance and humility... | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount I have the sermon on the mount open in front of me right now. I wonder if our maths teacher friend remembered this passage while he was deciding that he knew his pupil better than the pupil knew himself. ''do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others'you will be judged'and with the measure that you use,it will be measured to you''. He may be feeling quite pleased that Jesus' words seem to have come true in his own case." There's another bit our teacher friend may have done well to remember ''be careful not to practise your righteousness in front of others,to be seen by them''. | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount I have the sermon on the mount open in front of me right now. I wonder if our maths teacher friend remembered this passage while he was deciding that he knew his pupil better than the pupil knew himself. ''do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others'you will be judged'and with the measure that you use,it will be measured to you''. He may be feeling quite pleased that jesus words seem to have come true in his own case." That sermon condemns you also concerning love, mercy and forgiveness as it does us all in the most gentlest of fashion... | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount I have the sermon on the mount open in front of me right now. I wonder if our maths teacher friend remembered this passage while he was deciding that he knew his pupil better than the pupil knew himself. ''do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others'you will be judged'and with the measure that you use,it will be measured to you''. He may be feeling quite pleased that jesus words seem to have come true in his own case." Were that the Bible only consisted of those passages, eh? Samuel 6:19 (King James Version): “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18) ...and so on..... | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount I have the sermon on the mount open in front of me right now. I wonder if our maths teacher friend remembered this passage while he was deciding that he knew his pupil better than the pupil knew himself. ''do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others'you will be judged'and with the measure that you use,it will be measured to you''. He may be feeling quite pleased that jesus words seem to have come true in his own case. That sermon condemns you also concerning love, mercy and forgiveness as it does us all in the most gentlest of fashion..." I'm afraid I'm having difficulty making sense of that,do you think you could rephrase it please? Here's a bit that I mentioned before,Genesis 1:27, I'm having no trouble at all making sense of it, ''so God created mankind in his own image,in his own image he created them.Male and female he created them''. As god himself is reported to have created people both male and female,what right does this teacher have to say that he knows better and still to say he is following Christian teaching? | |||
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"Personally, I don’t give two hoots about what is written in the variety of religious books available. I am as interested in religion as much as I am in football. " Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. | |||
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"Personally, I don’t give two hoots about what is written in the variety of religious books available. I am as interested in religion as much as I am in football. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether." I too am all for religious freedom. Wear a cross or cover yourself completely. Whatever you need to do. I’m not going to bother arguing with people about religion. I don’t understand it and don’t want to but I accept people are religious and their beliefs are very important to them. | |||
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"He said "well done girls" to a group of pupils who were born girls.... what should he have said ?.... Answers on a postcard ." 'children'?? | |||
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"He said "well done girls" to a group of pupils who were born girls.... what should he have said ?.... Answers on a postcard ." Personally, I’d like him to refer to me as female and to his pupils by the gender they present as. I’d respect that his religion is important to him. If he wants me to call him a Christian, I will. | |||
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"Its another fab "what the fuck are you lot on about?" moment. "It's complicated. | |||
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"He said "well done girls" to a group of pupils who were born girls.... what should he have said ?.... Answers on a postcard ." Well done everybody or just well done. I think it's gone way beyond what he said. | |||
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"And all religion to me is a joke it’s there to divide and segregate the most judgemental people I’ve met go to church " Hmm, I think a swingers website has taken the biscuit on judgement actually.... | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether." Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion." I concur, as long as they practise it at home, behind closed doors and don't evangelise. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. I concur, as long as they practise it at home, behind closed doors and don't evangelise. " Lol, Christianity is evangelical - the point is does anyone have a right to IMPOSE their beliefs on anyone else? | |||
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"I can't help wondering exactly which part of the bible the teacher is thinking of when he decides that being transgender is against christian teachings. I guess 9and it is only a guess mind) that some of the stuff in Leviticus and Deuteronomy has helped shape his thinking but,as far as I can tell,they were more against homosexuality and transvestism that transgender people. It surely can't have been Genesis 1:27 (almost at the very beginning) that makes it absolutely clear that transgender people are part of the gods plan. It might have worked out a bit better for the teacher if he had shown a bit more understanding and compassion." No it does not make it absolutely clear. It's a very ambiguous verse. It can be interpreted as one being is both male and female or it can be interpreted to mean beings that are either male or female. Just like a lot of the Bible gets interpreted as people see fit. Furthermore most christians see homosexuality and trans as abominations. As the years have gone by they have begrudgingly accepted both but in different measure purely as to not upset their income. That's my opinion. Others are available. | |||
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"any man or woman that has a honest heart and a conscience would see the treasure in the Sermon on the mount... It sums up the Law and the prophets No, its just one of the many contradictions in the Bible. I mean, I could equally say that anybody who has a conscience could see the merit in "Das Kapital".... Therss no more to be said to you, my words cannot compare with Christ sermon on the mount I have the sermon on the mount open in front of me right now. I wonder if our maths teacher friend remembered this passage while he was deciding that he knew his pupil better than the pupil knew himself. ''do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others'you will be judged'and with the measure that you use,it will be measured to you''. He may be feeling quite pleased that jesus words seem to have come true in his own case. That sermon condemns you also concerning love, mercy and forgiveness as it does us all in the most gentlest of fashion... I'm afraid I'm having difficulty making sense of that,do you think you could rephrase it please? Here's a bit that I mentioned before,Genesis 1:27, I'm having no trouble at all making sense of it, ''so God created mankind in his own image,in his own image he created them.Male and female he created them''. As god himself is reported to have created people both male and female,what right does this teacher have to say that he knows better and still to say he is following Christian teaching?" See above. | |||
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"Such a lot of misrepresentation of what he said already and the thread has hardly begun. He hasn't slated any gender , just stated his own thoughts on people being forced to accept. It's getting like a witch hunt these days. Pass an opinion and someone wants to string you up. The hangers and floggers are the scared ones. Not the other way around. " | |||
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"Such a lot of misrepresentation of what he said already and the thread has hardly begun. He hasn't slated any gender , just stated his own thoughts on people being forced to accept. It's getting like a witch hunt these days. Pass an opinion and someone wants to string you up. The hangers and floggers are the scared ones. Not the other way around. I'm reading it as people giving their general opinions, not specifically about the story. My comment was generic. *All* hate filled religious people piss me off. "What about non religious hate filled people? | |||
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"I can't help wondering exactly which part of the bible the teacher is thinking of when he decides that being transgender is against christian teachings. I guess 9and it is only a guess mind) that some of the stuff in Leviticus and Deuteronomy has helped shape his thinking but,as far as I can tell,they were more against homosexuality and transvestism that transgender people. It surely can't have been Genesis 1:27 (almost at the very beginning) that makes it absolutely clear that transgender people are part of the gods plan. It might have worked out a bit better for the teacher if he had shown a bit more understanding and compassion. No it does not make it absolutely clear. It's a very ambiguous verse. It can be interpreted as one being is both male and female or it can be interpreted to mean beings that are either male or female. Just like a lot of the Bible gets interpreted as people see fit. Furthermore most christians see homosexuality and trans as abominations. As the years have gone by they have begrudgingly accepted both but in different measure purely as to not upset their income. That's my opinion. Others are available." It's a good point about the bible being open to interpretation,there is no absolute definitive version so anyone who claims it is the unalterable word of god is clearly wrong about that. the version in question,though,definitely says 'and' and not 'or',it does not go on to say 'you get one and you're stuck with it'like it or not'. So.for this teacher to cite his Christian beliefs as his reason for not accepting his students identity is also wrong. He could have just come out with it and say he is prejudiced but he seemed to try to claim some authority for his views. What is not ambiguous though, is that the teacher did not practice love and tolerance as preached by his leader. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion." I've never said anyone should be prevented from practicing their religion,I've never said anyone should be prevented from evangelising. But there is a difference between evangelising and trying to impose beliefs on other people. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. I've never said anyone should be prevented from practicing their religion,I've never said anyone should be prevented from evangelising. But there is a difference between evangelising and trying to impose beliefs on other people." But I agree with Mara - it is the minority that are doing the imposing at the moment. | |||
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"He called a girl a girl????" That's the top line of it. But without knowing the detail it's hard to say if , or how far he has done something wrong. The girl identifies as a boy. I'd ask if it was an honest mistake - does she dress and look like a girl in school? We don't know. We know the teacher is religious and is against trans-gendering. Is he just forcing the issue and insisting on calling her a girl, despite it being clear she is trying to become a boy?? I think there are too many unknowns and lack of facts and people wanting to be outraged either way to make a sensible comment. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. I've never said anyone should be prevented from practicing their religion,I've never said anyone should be prevented from evangelising. But there is a difference between evangelising and trying to impose beliefs on other people. But I agree with Mara - it is the minority that are doing the imposing at the moment." That's the way that some seem to want to present it.Another way to look at it is,he was expected to just get on with his job of teaching maths but he decided to let his religious views interfere with that. he then decided to leave his job because he was asked to leave his religious views at home. Nobody has imposed any view on him other than basic respect. As far as I can tell,he hasn't actually tried to impose his views on anyone and no one has tried to stop him believing what he wants to believe,just not to act on it in the maths lessons. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. I've never said anyone should be prevented from practicing their religion,I've never said anyone should be prevented from evangelising. But there is a difference between evangelising and trying to impose beliefs on other people. But I agree with Mara - it is the minority that are doing the imposing at the moment. That's the way that some seem to want to present it.Another way to look at it is,he was expected to just get on with his job of teaching maths but he decided to let his religious views interfere with that. he then decided to leave his job because he was asked to leave his religious views at home. Nobody has imposed any view on him other than basic respect. As far as I can tell,he hasn't actually tried to impose his views on anyone and no one has tried to stop him believing what he wants to believe,just not to act on it in the maths lessons." I was not commenting on the teacher per se - we don't have the facts so it seems pointless. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. I've never said anyone should be prevented from practicing their religion,I've never said anyone should be prevented from evangelising. But there is a difference between evangelising and trying to impose beliefs on other people. But I agree with Mara - it is the minority that are doing the imposing at the moment." Agreed, there are a minority who wish to impose their acceptance upon the majority, demanding special treatment. Many trans people do not feel the need to insist the majority change to suit our wishes though. I thought Christians prided themselves on being nice people and nice people aren’t nasty to people just because they differ from what’s seen as the norm. I don’t ask for much. Just respect me as I respect you. If you want to be referred to as Ms rather than Mrs or Miss I’ll respect that. | |||
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" Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their religion in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute religious freedom for everyone,but that has to include freedom to opt out of religion altogether. Unfortunately,some people won't let other people be uninterested, Some people are not content just to practice their sexuality in private. Some people like to make sure others are affected by it whether they like it or not. Admittedly there are more serious ways than this case, in which some people like to impose their views on others but it's all part of the same thing. I'm all for absolute freedom for everyone, but that has to include freedom to practice their religion. I've never said anyone should be prevented from practicing their religion,I've never said anyone should be prevented from evangelising. But there is a difference between evangelising and trying to impose beliefs on other people. But I agree with Mara - it is the minority that are doing the imposing at the moment. Agreed, there are a minority who wish to impose their acceptance upon the majority, demanding special treatment. Many trans people do not feel the need to insist the majority change to suit our wishes though. I thought Christians prided themselves on being nice people and nice people aren’t nasty to people just because they differ from what’s seen as the norm. . " Indeed and yet some people on this thread sadly have not met the type of Christian who is loving and tolerant and accepting and affirming DESPITE having a totally different belief. Luckily for me I have met many, and have never seen from them the kind of venomous judgement I often see displayed on these forums by those who claim to be more enlightened.  | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on......" but most of that was to do with greed not relagion ... | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? Go and read the simple teachings of Christ as given in the Sermon on the Mount and realise how wrong you are... Go and read a history book and see how wrong you are. You might want to pay particular attention to the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms in Eastern Europe, The British Empire (with particular reference to slavery).... I could go on...... but most of that was to do with greed not relagion ..." More like overall control they owned the banks and money | |||
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" I thought Christians prided themselves on being nice people and nice people aren’t nasty to people just because they differ from what’s seen as the norm. . Indeed and yet some people on this thread sadly have not met the type of Christian who is loving and tolerant and accepting and affirming DESPITE having a totally different belief. Luckily for me I have met many, and have never seen from them the kind of venomous judgement I often see displayed on these forums by those who claim to be more enlightened. "It's crazy tarring any bunch of people because of the actions of a particular individual. There TVs in the forum who spout all sorts of nonsense, we don't presume all TVs are nut jobs. Same goes for Couples, singles etc etc etc. Just because you can dig up something mental one Religious person has said or done, doesn't mean they are all like it. (PS I'm NOT religious) | |||
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It's crazy tarring any bunch of people because of the actions of a particular individual. There TVs in the forum who spout all sorts of nonsense, we don't presume all TVs are nut jobs. Same goes for Couples, singles etc etc etc.
Just because you can dig up something mental one Religious person has said or done, doesn't mean they are all like it.
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions?" If you read your history then you'd know that marxism is a bloodthirsty death cult that has killed more than the facists, terrorists and fundamentalists put together and multipled many times | |||
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" I thought Christians prided themselves on being nice people and nice people aren’t nasty to people just because they differ from what’s seen as the norm. . Indeed and yet some people on this thread sadly have not met the type of Christian who is loving and tolerant and accepting and affirming DESPITE having a totally different belief. Luckily for me I have met many, and have never seen from them the kind of venomous judgement I often see displayed on these forums by those who claim to be more enlightened.
It's crazy tarring any bunch of people because of the actions of a particular individual. There TVs in the forum who spout all sorts of nonsense, we don't presume all TVs are nut jobs. Same goes for Couples, singles etc etc etc.
Just because you can dig up something mental one Religious person has said or done, doesn't mean they are all like it.
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" Lots of people are jumping to conclusions on this story. I agree, that just because someone identifies as a sex/gender , it doesn't make them that, that's my opinion. However, common sense and respect for a persons feelings (which you would hope a teacher had) also comes in to play. If the child was obviously trying to fit to that gender, I would refer them in the gender they were trying to be. In the context of swinginging, it may be different. But we don't know if it was an honest mistake, or PC gone mad, or the guy trying to make a political point. It's really obvious from the reporting. But i do like your distinction, if the child was making a transition then i don't think there's a debate to be had. Those rights are already protected under law, rightly so. What i don't want is the fecking Canada system where they try and enforce postmodernist beliefs through language that is and isn't acceptable. I've never seen any reporting that does make it obvious though. It would be interesting to know a few more facts. I don't think a child can be transititioning anyway, I know next to nothing, but surely not when under-age? I understand the child is a female, identifying as a boy. If the child dresses in boys uniform, has a 'boys' haircut and his friends call him 'Eric' (??) , then I think the teacher is pushing his own agenda. If the child looks and dresses likea girl and the teacher made a slip-up, then it's another story (imo) . But I don't think anythink like that info has been printed??" I think it's best to look at the wider agenda and where it comes from. Most the people slagging off the teacher will not like what they find, i understand there are some simple minded people who enjoy slagging off religion but the enemy of your enemy is not your friend. This is postmodernism overlapped with marxism, straight up. The trans issue is a smoke screen. | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? If you read your history then you'd know that marxism is a bloodthirsty death cult that has killed more than the facists, terrorists and fundamentalists put together and multipled many times
Except it hasn't. Marx wasn't born until 1818 - many billions of people had been butchered by religion before then.
Another fun example - the British Empire (acting on behalf of God, apparently) killed more people than Stalin.
There is a quote from Napoleon that is very pertenent here: "History is written by the victor"...."Show me your workings for how you get over a billion people killed by religion then? I'll be generous and say marxism 'only' murdered 180m people which is impressive since, as you point out, it's not even 200 years old and religion is over 200,000 years old but yeah good luck getting near the 180m figure without resorting to utter bullshit like the British Empire being some kind of religious endeavour. | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? If you read your history then you'd know that marxism is a bloodthirsty death cult that has killed more than the facists, terrorists and fundamentalists put together and multipled many times
Except it hasn't. Marx wasn't born until 1818 - many billions of people had been butchered by religion before then.
Another fun example - the British Empire (acting on behalf of God, apparently) killed more people than Stalin.
There is a quote from Napoleon that is very pertenent here: "History is written by the victor"....
Show me your workings for how you get over a billion people killed by religion then? I'll be generous and say marxism 'only' murdered 180m people which is impressive since, as you point out, it's not even 200 years old and religion is over 200,000 years old but yeah good luck getting near the 180m figure without resorting to utter bullshit like the British Empire being some kind of religious endeavour. "The British Empire was an overtly Christian endeavour - it is the theological underpinning of the entire thing. | |||
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"If your religion prevents you from doing your job as required, then you shouldn't be doing that job. He was doing his job, he was teaching maths,the reason they got rid of him was simply he was a Christian and the marxist lefties whom foster the pseudo pc correctness hate the christians and seek with all their power to destroy it... Just as their communist brethren sought to do in soviet russia... And why would anyone, Marxist or otherwise be wrong to attempt to destroy a bloodthirsty death cult that has claimed the lives of millions? If you read your history then you'd know that marxism is a bloodthirsty death cult that has killed more than the facists, terrorists and fundamentalists put together and multipled many times
Except it hasn't. Marx wasn't born until 1818 - many billions of people had been butchered by religion before then.
Another fun example - the British Empire (acting on behalf of God, apparently) killed more people than Stalin.
There is a quote from Napoleon that is very pertenent here: "History is written by the victor"....
Show me your workings for how you get over a billion people killed by religion then? I'll be generous and say marxism 'only' murdered 180m people which is impressive since, as you point out, it's not even 200 years old and religion is over 200,000 years old but yeah good luck getting near the 180m figure without resorting to utter bullshit like the British Empire being some kind of religious endeavour.
The British Empire was an overtly Christian endeavour - it is the theological underpinning of the entire thing. "So in your version of history, the British East India company was an evangelical church and the the opium wars were actually nothing to do with trade and everything to do with those damn heathen Chinese rejecting the bible? Ok let's leave it there before it gets silly. | |||
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"Saying Marxism killed x, and religion killed y, is a basesless argument. You might as well say 'men' killed z, so they are all cunts. You can be a nice marxist or nicely religious, doesn't mean you agree with genocide. I think Marxists need to concede pretence to moral superiority when most Marxist government's are murdering millions of their own citizens and most capitalist democracies government's aren't. The religious question just highlights the intellectual dishonesty of marxists and the semantic slights of hand they try to use to trick those who can't be bothered to fact check what they hear. Define "Marxist". I think you will find that many aspects of western political and governemtal ideas have a Marxist influence. For example; without Marx you would not have any publcily owned infrastructure. " Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Now which of those would you rather live in than Britain? | |||
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Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
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"Saying Marxism killed x, and religion killed y, is a basesless argument. You might as well say 'men' killed z, so they are all cunts. You can be a nice marxist or nicely religious, doesn't mean you agree with genocide. I think Marxists need to concede pretence to moral superiority when most Marxist government's are murdering millions of their own citizens and most capitalist democracies government's aren't. The religious question just highlights the intellectual dishonesty of marxists and the semantic slights of hand they try to use to trick those who can't be bothered to fact check what they hear. Define "Marxist". I think you will find that many aspects of western political and governemtal ideas have a Marxist influence. For example; without Marx you would not have any publcily owned infrastructure. Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Now which of those would you rather live in than Britain?" Again, define "Marxism"? Any country with a mixed economy owes, by definition part of its existence to Marx. As well you know, none of the states you mention have any of the prerequisites that Marx suggested were nescessary for Socialism- all of those are examples of vanguardism, whereby the revolutionary junta have attempted to circumvent industrialisation through capitalsism. | |||
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"But isn't this thread way off topic now? Isn't the point that as usual it's the left-wing, right-on, pc brigade who say that a child's right to pretend that they are a girl, (when clearly they were born a boy, and still are a boy in every physical respect) outweighs the right of someone to say that (assuming in this case, the teacher was doing it deliberately, contrary to what he asserts) clearly they are not a girl. Clearly they are a boy, and that whatever sex you are born is the sex you remain, especially in the case where there has been no surgery. Yes. If you remove "as a Christian" from his statement and the other religious bits then his views are reflect those of 100% of the worlds biologists and the majority of sane people in the world. It's clear from the reporting that child was not undergoing any kind of sex change, it's just a stupid postmodernist arguement that you can make your own reality by imagining it. Which is frankly an insult to people who actually go through gender reassignment surgery. I'm a biologist (formally educated to MSc level) and I don't agree that gender is as black and white as some like to think. Feel free to ask away. Ok, if you utter the words "i identify as a man / woman" do your chromosomes change? No, but don't get hung up on chromosomes, they are not the whole story. There are many species of animal and plant (although I can't think of any fungi off hand) that are dioecious (ie are born either male or female), of those, many are sequentially hermaproditic. Sequential hermaprhodites change gender whilst still retaining the chromosomes that they were born with. Of those animals that are dioecious, some can be prompted to change gender either wholly or in part by exposure to hormones - for examples, many rivers have all female fish populations (of species that are not usually known to change gender) because of oestrogens released into the water course are prompting them to all become (or remain) female. Of course, fish are not humans, but to demonstrate the power of hormones: Testosterone and oestrogens on the human body are controlled by a negative feedback loop. When human males (often bodybuilders) take testosterone for too long, the body stops producing it - this is a problem when they come off synthetic test, as the feedback loop is not operating, therfore the oestrogens that they produce (all males produce oestrogen, just as all females produce testosterone) become the only androgens in the bloodstream and they can actually develop breast tissue etc. Why is this important? This shows the power that hormones have to stimulate the body to produce actual physical (as well as mental) changes. It is entirely reasonable that humans have differing hormonal norms naturally, ergo, a male who produces more oestrogens (or less testosterone) than average may well feel that they are not the gender they were born into. The other important point is that whilst people are born with either male or female reproductive organs, this is not the whole story. The reproductive characteristics that you are born with are known as your primary reproductive characteristics. It may seem obvious, but it is important to point out that you cannot reproduce with these alone. Therefore people (children) with these are unable to mate, ergo they are not functionally male or female they only have the POTENTIAL to be. Puberty is when the secondary reproductive characteristics appear. This is entirely hormonally driven, hormones prompt physiological changes that turn either gender into functional (ie capable of reproduction) adults. Again, differing levels of these can affect this process, so it is entirely possible that they have an influence on the mental perception of the gender of the person. So; if hormones are so powerful that they can produce physiological changes in an individual (sex change operations start with hormonal treatment), then it is entirely feasable that lower levels of hormonal variance can influence cognition, making a person feel that they are either the incorrect gender, or of no gender at all. " And I'm not disputing any of that. If you are in the wrong body then transition to what makes you happy. I'll pay for it via my taxes to the NHS and i'll give you all the respect of your acquired gender and fight with you against anyone who won't. All im saying is that you can't expect those privileges by deciding arbitrarily each day which one you are such as "timothy boatwright" who wanted her birthright privileges to enter an all female university but quickly switched back to wanting to be male once she was in the university, because you know, she's special. | |||
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"Saying Marxism killed x, and religion killed y, is a basesless argument. You might as well say 'men' killed z, so they are all cunts. You can be a nice marxist or nicely religious, doesn't mean you agree with genocide. I think Marxists need to concede pretence to moral superiority when most Marxist government's are murdering millions of their own citizens and most capitalist democracies government's aren't. The religious question just highlights the intellectual dishonesty of marxists and the semantic slights of hand they try to use to trick those who can't be bothered to fact check what they hear. Define "Marxist". I think you will find that many aspects of western political and governemtal ideas have a Marxist influence. For example; without Marx you would not have any publcily owned infrastructure. Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Now which of those would you rather live in than Britain? Again, define "Marxism"? Any country with a mixed economy owes, by definition part of its existence to Marx. As well you know, none of the states you mention have any of the prerequisites that Marx suggested were nescessary for Socialism- all of those are examples of vanguardism, whereby the revolutionary junta have attempted to circumvent industrialisation through capitalsism. " Which is an inevitable part of trying to achieve what marx set out. That's the problem with the "that wasn't proper marxism arguement". It's impossible to achieve. | |||
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Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
Oh yes I forgot.. you are much more intelligent than most of us!
Sorry.... crack on "Nobody is forcing you to contribute. I just find this attempt to shut down interesting debate by people who have no interest in the subject quite puzzling. I don't go on the "strictly" thread and go on about how shit I think the programme is, do I? | |||
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Which is frankly an insult to people who actually go through gender reassignment surgery. I'm a biologist (formally educated to MSc level) and I don't agree that gender is as black and white as some like to think. Feel free to ask away. Ok, if you utter the words "i identify as a man / woman" do your chromosomes change? No, but don't get hung up on chromosomes, they are not the whole story. There are many species of animal and plant (although I can't think of any fungi off hand) that are dioecious (ie are born either male or female), of those, many are sequentially hermaproditic. Sequential hermaprhodites change gender whilst still retaining the chromosomes that they were born with. Of those animals that are dioecious, some can be prompted to change gender either wholly or in part by exposure to hormones - for examples, many rivers have all female fish populations (of species that are not usually known to change gender) because of oestrogens released into the water course are prompting them to all become (or remain) female. Of course, fish are not humans, but to demonstrate the power of hormones: Testosterone and oestrogens on the human body are controlled by a negative feedback loop. When human males (often bodybuilders) take testosterone for too long, the body stops producing it - this is a problem when they come off synthetic test, as the feedback loop is not operating, therfore the oestrogens that they produce (all males produce oestrogen, just as all females produce testosterone) become the only androgens in the bloodstream and they can actually develop breast tissue etc. Why is this important? This shows the power that hormones have to stimulate the body to produce actual physical (as well as mental) changes. It is entirely reasonable that humans have differing hormonal norms naturally, ergo, a male who produces more oestrogens (or less testosterone) than average may well feel that they are not the gender they were born into. The other important point is that whilst people are born with either male or female reproductive organs, this is not the whole story. The reproductive characteristics that you are born with are known as your primary reproductive characteristics. It may seem obvious, but it is important to point out that you cannot reproduce with these alone. Therefore people (children) with these are unable to mate, ergo they are not functionally male or female they only have the POTENTIAL to be. Puberty is when the secondary reproductive characteristics appear. This is entirely hormonally driven, hormones prompt physiological changes that turn either gender into functional (ie capable of reproduction) adults. Again, differing levels of these can affect this process, so it is entirely possible that they have an influence on the mental perception of the gender of the person. So; if hormones are so powerful that they can produce physiological changes in an individual (sex change operations start with hormonal treatment), then it is entirely feasable that lower levels of hormonal variance can influence cognition, making a person feel that they are either the incorrect gender, or of no gender at all. And I'm not disputing any of that. If you are in the wrong body then transition to what makes you happy. I'll pay for it via my taxes to the NHS and i'll give you all the respect of your acquired gender and fight with you against anyone who won't. All im saying is that you can't expect those privileges by deciding arbitrarily each day which one you are such as "timothy boatwright" who wanted her birthright privileges to enter an all female university but quickly switched back to wanting to be male once she was in the university, because you know, she's special. " You'll always get the odd idiot - you can't really do anything about it, except stop it when there is evidence to prove it. I would suggest that for most of those who genuinely feel uncomfortable in their gender, the decision to even discuss it is a very hard one. Children, by and large want to conform, it is only when you enter your late teens that most fee like they want to be different. | |||
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Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
Oh yes I forgot.. you are much more intelligent than most of us!
Sorry.... crack on
Nobody is forcing you to contribute.
I just find this attempt to shut down interesting debate by people who have no interest in the subject quite puzzling.
I don't go on the "strictly" thread and go on about how shit I think the programme is, do I?"I have no idea what the "strictly thread" is - but you clearly are disapproving of it. I don't really care! It is a public forum and I am allowed to have my opinion just as you are allowed yours. | |||
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Jolly time of year
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Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
Oh yes I forgot.. you are much more intelligent than most of us!
Sorry.... crack on
Nobody is forcing you to contribute.
I just find this attempt to shut down interesting debate by people who have no interest in the subject quite puzzling.
I don't go on the "strictly" thread and go on about how shit I think the programme is, do I?
I have no idea what the "strictly thread" is - but you clearly are disapproving of it.
I don't really care!
It is a public forum and I am allowed to have my opinion just as you are allowed yours.
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I think if anything your whole debate is based on you wanting to being more intelligent than everyone else!
You clearly think a lot of people here are "beneath you"
Along with a few others here.
Why should I be quiet?!
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" Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Which of those countries is it that's orchestrating the post modern Marxist trans smoke screen? None, it mainly comes from French intellectuals who have lost the class fight and are now fighting the same battle but with identity politics instead of class politics. Oo. Like who? Which of those marxist / post-marxist countries do you want to live in? I'd like to know who are the French Marxists who are tricking me into thinking calling kids by their preferred pro nouns is the decent thing to do. You can't tell me? No I'm just familiar with your brand of nonsense. You only ask questions, you never answer them. You have the misguided idea that always being on the attack means you 'win' the 'debate'. " But you made a claim and I'm trying to find out more about it. You said "I think it's best to look at the wider agenda and where it comes from." How can I do that without asking questions? If it makes you feel better, to answer your question, I wouldn't like to live in any of the countries that you mentioned. Now can you tell me who the French Marxists are? | |||
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" You are, but since your opinion is clearly that debate is unspeakably dull and the people who engage in it are somehow beneath you, don't be surprised when your opinion is challenged.
I think if anything your whole debate is based on you wanting to being more intelligent than everyone else!
You clearly think a lot of people here are "beneath you"
Along with a few others here.
Why should I be quiet?!
"No it isn't - My debate engaged with the question at hand. Your only contribution was to mock those taking part and then try to illicit some sort of pity for doing so when an objection was raised. So; it was you who suggested that you were somehow above the subject matter, not me. | |||
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"My thoughts on this are if your faith means you are unwilling or unable to accept people who are trans, gay, bisexual, cross dressers etc then perhaps you shouldn't be working there. Most schools don't actively encourage children to explore their sexuality or whether or not they are trans but will actively support any child who chooses to. An inclusive environment at school can mean fewer bigots out there as adults. " | |||
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" Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Which of those countries is it that's orchestrating the post modern Marxist trans smoke screen? None, it mainly comes from French intellectuals who have lost the class fight and are now fighting the same battle but with identity politics instead of class politics. Oo. Like who? Which of those marxist / post-marxist countries do you want to live in? I'd like to know who are the French Marxists who are tricking me into thinking calling kids by their preferred pro nouns is the decent thing to do. You can't tell me? No I'm just familiar with your brand of nonsense. You only ask questions, you never answer them. You have the misguided idea that always being on the attack means you 'win' the 'debate'. But you made a claim and I'm trying to find out more about it. You said "I think it's best to look at the wider agenda and where it comes from." How can I do that without asking questions? If it makes you feel better, to answer your question, I wouldn't like to live in any of the countries that you mentioned. Now can you tell me who the French Marxists are? " My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism, because marxism is actually deeply unpopular with the masses for the reasons already stated (e.g. mass murder). The idea that you can change to a man / woman by wishing it with no physical change in yourself is rooted in constructivism and for that you can read bachelard, lyotard & derrida for starters. Yes i know they are dead. | |||
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"My thoughts on this are if your faith means you are unwilling or unable to accept people who are trans, gay, bisexual, cross dressers etc then perhaps you shouldn't be working there. Most schools don't actively encourage children to explore their sexuality or whether or not they are trans but will actively support any child who chooses to. An inclusive environment at school can mean fewer bigots out there as adults. " Does being inclusive mean i have to abandon reality? | |||
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" Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Which of those countries is it that's orchestrating the post modern Marxist trans smoke screen? None, it mainly comes from French intellectuals who have lost the class fight and are now fighting the same battle but with identity politics instead of class politics. Oo. Like who? Which of those marxist / post-marxist countries do you want to live in? I'd like to know who are the French Marxists who are tricking me into thinking calling kids by their preferred pro nouns is the decent thing to do. You can't tell me? No I'm just familiar with your brand of nonsense. You only ask questions, you never answer them. You have the misguided idea that always being on the attack means you 'win' the 'debate'. But you made a claim and I'm trying to find out more about it. You said "I think it's best to look at the wider agenda and where it comes from." How can I do that without asking questions? If it makes you feel better, to answer your question, I wouldn't like to live in any of the countries that you mentioned. Now can you tell me who the French Marxists are? My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism, because marxism is actually deeply unpopular with the masses for the reasons already stated (e.g. mass murder). The idea that you can change to a man / woman by wishing it with no physical change in yourself is rooted in constructivism and for that you can read bachelard, lyotard & derrida for starters. Yes i know they are dead. " It's not to do with "wishing it so" though is it? As I've previously explained at length... | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism " Like who? | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? " Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. | |||
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" Nice try. I'll make it easier for you, here are the countries that have tried marxism: the soviet union, China under Mao, venezuela, cuba, east germany, ethiopia, somalia, cambodia and maybe a few others that don't spring to mind. Which of those countries is it that's orchestrating the post modern Marxist trans smoke screen? None, it mainly comes from French intellectuals who have lost the class fight and are now fighting the same battle but with identity politics instead of class politics. Oo. Like who? Which of those marxist / post-marxist countries do you want to live in? I'd like to know who are the French Marxists who are tricking me into thinking calling kids by their preferred pro nouns is the decent thing to do. You can't tell me? No I'm just familiar with your brand of nonsense. You only ask questions, you never answer them. You have the misguided idea that always being on the attack means you 'win' the 'debate'. But you made a claim and I'm trying to find out more about it. You said "I think it's best to look at the wider agenda and where it comes from." How can I do that without asking questions? If it makes you feel better, to answer your question, I wouldn't like to live in any of the countries that you mentioned. Now can you tell me who the French Marxists are? My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism, because marxism is actually deeply unpopular with the masses for the reasons already stated (e.g. mass murder). The idea that you can change to a man / woman by wishing it with no physical change in yourself is rooted in constructivism and for that you can read bachelard, lyotard & derrida for starters. Yes i know they are dead. It's not to do with "wishing it so" though is it? As I've previously explained at length..." It is. Please dont conflate people who reassign their gender through a prolonged medical procedure with the timothy types who change what they identify with as and when it suits them. Not the same thing, not even close. | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. " I thought the Marxists you were talking about were French? Well, at least you had a try. Although it kinda sounds like you just named a random trans student who you don't like, a Canadian lefty professor, and two leftist groups. Can you elaborate on the work that antifa and BLM have done to create the 'smokescreen' surrounding transgenderism? | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. I thought the Marxists you were talking about were French? Well, at least you had a try. Although it kinda sounds like you just named a random trans student who you don't like, a Canadian lefty professor, and two leftist groups. Can you elaborate on the work that antifa and BLM have done to create the 'smokescreen' surrounding transgenderism? " That's the best you can do, back to your tactics of misrepresenting what i said
You said you wanted to learn more and that's why you were asking. Go read about what constructivism is and then go fact check whether the leaders of black lives matter and antifa like capitalism very much. Understand the link between people apparently oppressed because of class (Marxism) and people apparently oppressed being of identity (race, sex, sexuality) and then It's pretty obvious how language is part of the battle for power. But expected you know at least 80% of it already and are being obtuse to see if you can get me to make a semantic trip. | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. I thought the Marxists you were talking about were French? Well, at least you had a try. Although it kinda sounds like you just named a random trans student who you don't like, a Canadian lefty professor, and two leftist groups. Can you elaborate on the work that antifa and BLM have done to create the 'smokescreen' surrounding transgenderism? That's the best you can do, back to your tactics of misrepresenting what i said
You said you wanted to learn more and that's why you were asking. Go read about what constructivism is and then go fact check whether the leaders of black lives matter and antifa like capitalism very much. Understand the link between people apparently oppressed because of class (Marxism) and people apparently oppressed being of identity (race, sex, sexuality) and then It's pretty obvious how language is part of the battle for power. But expected you know at least 80% of it already and are being obtuse to see if you can get me to make a semantic trip. "How have I misrepresented what you said? You said Marxists had created a smokescreen around trans issues. You then said that those Marxists include BLM and Antifa. But you won't say how they have done that? I'm not asking about Marxist theory. I'm asking about the conspiracy you allege is taking place. Just pointing at groups and saying 'they don't like capatalism!' doesn't really cut it. | |||
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"This for me has nothing to do with relgion but it is rubbish that young children can decide their gender,they are children and sexuality should not be relevant in there lives till at least 12 in my view. Children should be children and enjoy life and learn live in ignorant bliss as long as possible.These kids are getting this from perverted perents it is sick." Ah good point you're suggesting gender neutrality and that the teacher should have used the word children not a gender specific noun. You're so right why label a child as such a young and vulnerable confused age It's as bad as giving some kids guns and cars and others toy baby's and prams X | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. I thought the Marxists you were talking about were French? Well, at least you had a try. Although it kinda sounds like you just named a random trans student who you don't like, a Canadian lefty professor, and two leftist groups. Can you elaborate on the work that antifa and BLM have done to create the 'smokescreen' surrounding transgenderism? That's the best you can do, back to your tactics of misrepresenting what i said
You said you wanted to learn more and that's why you were asking. Go read about what constructivism is and then go fact check whether the leaders of black lives matter and antifa like capitalism very much. Understand the link between people apparently oppressed because of class (Marxism) and people apparently oppressed being of identity (race, sex, sexuality) and then It's pretty obvious how language is part of the battle for power. But expected you know at least 80% of it already and are being obtuse to see if you can get me to make a semantic trip.
How have I misrepresented what you said?
You said Marxists had created a smokescreen around trans issues.
You then said that those Marxists include BLM and Antifa.
But you won't say how they have done that?
I'm not asking about Marxist theory. I'm asking about the conspiracy you allege is taking place. Just pointing at groups and saying 'they don't like capatalism!' doesn't really cut it. "Policing language is part of their strategy. If you've read 1984 then I'm sure you can understand why. This misgendering nonsense is basically an attempt to enshrine constructivism in law. Conflating this sort of "i identify as crap" with people who undergo gender reassignment is a very clever strategy, albeit not a new one (trojan horse 101). | |||
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Jolly time of year
Same old kill joys!
But Merry Christmas to you xx
Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
"Turning a thread into a your dad's worse than my dad, marxism vs religion vs chromosones, is pushing the definition of intellectual debate. But you are both enjoying yourselves, so have fun | |||
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Jolly time of year
Same old kill joys!
But Merry Christmas to you xx
Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
Turning a thread into a your dad's worse than my dad, marxism vs religion vs chromosones, is pushing the definition of intellectual debate.
But you are both enjoying yourselves, so have fun "When we have an official though police, just remember that you heard it here first | |||
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Jolly time of year
Same old kill joys!
But Merry Christmas to you xx
Why do people on here disparage intellectual debate? If you don't like it, there are plenty of asinine threads on television dancing contests and so forth that you could read or post on.
Turning a thread into a your dad's worse than my dad, marxism vs religion vs chromosones, is pushing the definition of intellectual debate.
But you are both enjoying yourselves, so have fun
When we have an official though police, just remember that you heard it here first"No, feel free to crack on, just supporting another posters right to their opinion on the conversation | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. I thought the Marxists you were talking about were French? Well, at least you had a try. Although it kinda sounds like you just named a random trans student who you don't like, a Canadian lefty professor, and two leftist groups. Can you elaborate on the work that antifa and BLM have done to create the 'smokescreen' surrounding transgenderism? That's the best you can do, back to your tactics of misrepresenting what i said
You said you wanted to learn more and that's why you were asking. Go read about what constructivism is and then go fact check whether the leaders of black lives matter and antifa like capitalism very much. Understand the link between people apparently oppressed because of class (Marxism) and people apparently oppressed being of identity (race, sex, sexuality) and then It's pretty obvious how language is part of the battle for power. But expected you know at least 80% of it already and are being obtuse to see if you can get me to make a semantic trip.
How have I misrepresented what you said?
You said Marxists had created a smokescreen around trans issues.
You then said that those Marxists include BLM and Antifa.
But you won't say how they have done that?
I'm not asking about Marxist theory. I'm asking about the conspiracy you allege is taking place. Just pointing at groups and saying 'they don't like capatalism!' doesn't really cut it.
Policing language is part of their strategy. If you've read 1984 then I'm sure you can understand why. This misgendering nonsense is basically an attempt to enshrine constructivism in law. Conflating this sort of "i identify as crap" with people who undergo gender reassignment is a very clever strategy, albeit not a new one (trojan horse 101). "OK. We're not really getting anywhere are we? You're telling me a lot about what you think Marxists think and believe, and very little evidence about what they've actually done as part of their alleged conspiracy. It took about five posts to even get you to name anyone. This is a bit boring now, so I'll head to bed with the observation that your division of trans people into those who have medical treatment - good - and those that don't - bad - is kinda weird. There are plenty of good reasons people don't have reassignment. It doesn't make them any less sincere or deserving of respect. | |||
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" My claim is that people who believe in marxism are using postmodernist philosophy to justify / rebrand what is really marxism Like who? Timothy who i mentioned before and nathan rambukkana are good examples of individuals but if you want organisations then antifa and black lives matter. I thought the Marxists you were talking about were French? Well, at least you had a try. Although it kinda sounds like you just named a random trans student who you don't like, a Canadian lefty professor, and two leftist groups. Can you elaborate on the work that antifa and BLM have done to create the 'smokescreen' surrounding transgenderism? That's the best you can do, back to your tactics of misrepresenting what i said
You said you wanted to learn more and that's why you were asking. Go read about what constructivism is and then go fact check whether the leaders of black lives matter and antifa like capitalism very much. Understand the link between people apparently oppressed because of class (Marxism) and people apparently oppressed being of identity (race, sex, sexuality) and then It's pretty obvious how language is part of the battle for power. But expected you know at least 80% of it already and are being obtuse to see if you can get me to make a semantic trip.
How have I misrepresented what you said?
You said Marxists had created a smokescreen around trans issues.
You then said that those Marxists include BLM and Antifa.
But you won't say how they have done that?
I'm not asking about Marxist theory. I'm asking about the conspiracy you allege is taking place. Just pointing at groups and saying 'they don't like capatalism!' doesn't really cut it.
Policing language is part of their strategy. If you've read 1984 then I'm sure you can understand why. This misgendering nonsense is basically an attempt to enshrine constructivism in law. Conflating this sort of "i identify as crap" with people who undergo gender reassignment is a very clever strategy, albeit not a new one (trojan horse 101).
OK. We're not really getting anywhere are we? You're telling me a lot about what you think Marxists think and believe, and very little evidence about what they've actually done as part of their alleged conspiracy. It took about five posts to even get you to name anyone.
This is a bit boring now, so I'll head to bed with the observation that your division of trans people into those who have medical treatment - good - and those that don't - bad - is kinda weird.
There are plenty of good reasons people don't have reassignment. It doesn't make them any less sincere or deserving of respect.
"We've established that one of those reasons is to get preferential treatment in university applications and i think most people would see lying for financial gain as less deserving of respect. But anyway, good night. | |||
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