FabSwingers.com forum: Jamie Buldger

By *xplorer13 OP Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

I am sure you all remember the two year old killed in 1993. But courts are now giving prison sentences to poeple who have found there new names and addresses. In my opinion the should have no where to hide and should be in prison for life. They got 11 years.... one of them has been done twice for child porn! You can't help these people, put them down!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who?

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By *ornylittlesubWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

"I am sure you all remember the two year old killed in 1993. But courts are now giving prison sentences to poeple who have found there new names and addresses. In my opinion the should have no where to hide and should be in prison for life. They got 11 years.... one of them has been done twice for child porn! You can't help these people, put them down! "

Agreed....and I would fucking volunteer to do it!

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By *cot611Man
over a year ago

carterton

it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are sites dedicated to revealing identities and locations of this type of offender.

Often wrongly identifying innocent people.

But the very fact that there are 100s of 1000nds of sex offenders and murderers out in the community, having served sentences, and there are not daily reports of their lynching and extra judicial execution just proves that people who bang on about them, haven’t got the guts to go through with anything.

Just saying

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters"

Then things like this happen.....

29 Aug 2000 - Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday. ... "For the time being I have moved out of the area because when something like this happens you just cannot feel safe in your own home.

An innocent man, Iain Armstrong, was beaten up by a mob in Manchester after being mistaken for one of the pictured paedophiles - apparently because he wore a neck-brace which looked like one worn to the man in the News of the World's picture.

28 Oct 2013 - Murdered: Bijan Ebrahimi, 44, was beaten unconscious before being burned to death by neighbours who wrongly believed he was a paedophile. An innocent man was ... the court heard. After the hearing, Avon and Somerset Police spokesman Martin Dunscombe said Mr Ebrahimi was an innocent man.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

Yea. Hear about stuff like this.

Vigilante’s taking it too far, then the person they attacked was innocent or mistaken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight

"The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

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Like it or not, the courts need to decide the punishment of people, not some Kangaroo court. Everybody, regardless of individual views should have a fair trial, and yes I do sympathize with the victims in this, but vigilantism doesn't make it right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have laws for a reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have laws for a reason. "

The that’s allowed a repeat sex offender out. The same offender that tourtured a toddler.

Sometimes. Not often but sometimes. The laws an ass.

The fuckers should be put down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Laws are there for a reason.

Vigilante groups often get things wrong and make innocent people's lives hell.

Whether you agree or not the law needs to be respected and upheld, it doesn't always seem fair but a lot goes on behind closed doors that the public doesn't always see and hear about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

Whhaaaaaaat!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

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By *ldhillhotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Old Hill

"The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

Like it or not, the courts need to decide the punishment of people, not some Kangaroo court. Everybody, regardless of individual views should have a fair trial, and yes I do sympathize with the victims in this, but vigilantism doesn't make it right."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

You know em all ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

Whhaaaaaaat!!!!"

A big bully bunch ended up taking over a country based on hatered for a specific group...then expanded on the people they hated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Awful case. As a mother i can empathise with Denise Bulger, mother of Jamie, and with the boys' mothers. Children killing children, not some serial killer methodically planning his next victim.

It's just mind-boggling. There's no way i can condemn with the same voracity as for the likes of zHuntley and Brady.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

You know em all ?"

I’m not going to name it but the biggest name and shame a sex offender website is run by the same people that run Blood & Honor.

Combat18

Also there is a difference between revenge and vigilantism where you decide that you know best.

At least revenge is personal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You just disproved your own point of putting them down, yes one has reoffended and likely can't be rehabilitated but the other from all reports has led a quiet law abiding life during his adult years. I'm not condoning the actions at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

You know em all ?

I’m not going to name it but the biggest name and shame a sex offender website is run by the same people that run Blood & Honor.

Combat18

Also there is a difference between revenge and vigilantism where you decide that you know best.

At least revenge is personal. "

Don’t know who you’re on about. But you know all their IQ’s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

Whhaaaaaaat!!!!

A big bully bunch ended up taking over a country based on hatered for a specific group...then expanded on the people they hated. "

Oh dear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

You know em all ?

I’m not going to name it but the biggest name and shame a sex offender website is run by the same people that run Blood & Honor.

Combat18

Also there is a difference between revenge and vigilantism where you decide that you know best.

At least revenge is personal.

Don’t know who you’re on about. But you know all their IQ’s. "

About the same as a snail or the average UKIP or EDL member.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with mob rule is .... well look at Nazi Germany

Whhaaaaaaat!!!!

A big bully bunch ended up taking over a country based on hatered for a specific group...then expanded on the people they hated.

Oh dear. "

Ooooh baybeeee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

You know em all ?

I’m not going to name it but the biggest name and shame a sex offender website is run by the same people that run Blood & Honor.

Combat18

Also there is a difference between revenge and vigilantism where you decide that you know best.

At least revenge is personal.

Don’t know who you’re on about. But you know all their IQ’s.

About the same as a snail or the average UKIP or EDL member. "

Oh dear. Not a clue then. Seemed a rubbish statement from the beginning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

Excellent post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

Excellent post

Agree. Excellent post. But the Bulger murderers were guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

You know em all ?

I’m not going to name it but the biggest name and shame a sex offender website is run by the same people that run Blood & Honor.

Combat18

Also there is a difference between revenge and vigilantism where you decide that you know best.

At least revenge is personal.

Don’t know who you’re on about. But you know all their IQ’s.

About the same as a snail or the average UKIP or EDL member.

Oh dear. Not a clue then. Seemed a rubbish statement from the beginning. "

It’s ok I forgive ignorance I’m easy

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By *om girlCouple (FF)
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

We've read your reply and I think the court system a joke..

If you kill someone child you've ruined that family for life

No 10-15-25-30 years life..

They get a bit of after care that cost few £1000s

The evil shit gets looked after more rights and usually can't be treated..

I would personally kill someone that did that and do whatever sentence I got because I'd have a life sentence without my child and I'm sure that's worse than going jail....

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By *om girlCouple (FF)
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

The Attic - Derby.

"Awful case. As a mother I can empathise with Denise Bulger, mother of Jamie, and with the boys' mothers. Children killing children, not some serial killer methodically planning his next victim.

It's just mind-boggling. There's no way I can condemn with the same voracity as for the likes of Huntley and Brady."

As a mother and having studied the case for my Law degree. I agree that Venables should serve life. Meaning till the end of his days. Our study was of the Police files which included details of actions that were NOT reported in the papers. This was a planned attack and had the mindset of actions of an adult.

Having had a close freinds partner sentanced for being a pedo. Along with a family member of mine being a victim of another Pedo. I've had to go through all the "support and awearness courses". Convited Pedo's get a much easier ride than the vitims. Autroties can tell during their incasaration if they will re offend. However our "human rights Laws" alow them to be free.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've read your reply and I think the court system a joke..

If you kill someone child you've ruined that family for life

No 10-15-25-30 years life..

They get a bit of after care that cost few £1000s

The evil shit gets looked after more rights and usually can't be treated..

I would personally kill someone that did that and do whatever sentence I got because I'd have a life sentence without my child and I'm sure that's worse than going jail....

But we don't have capital punishment in this country.

One issue I have with vigilante action is where do you draw the line on what offences deserve further action. And what about the previously mentioned misidentifications?

No, I have to trust the court system or the Country will descend into anarchy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It must cost a small fortune to keep their identity safe. Money that could be spent on the victims of crime rather than the persons who committed the crimes. I can understand that law is law but find it hard to stomach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It must cost a small fortune to keep their identity safe. Money that could be spent on the victims of crime rather than the persons who committed the crimes. I can understand that law is law but find it hard to stomach."

Brilliantly said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So they don't spend the money concealing them, they are sent out into society and mob mentality rules and they are killed.

What do we then do with those killers? Let them off?

Or apply the law, thus ruining their lives, their family's lives and riling society more, encouraging more vigilantism and descending into a lawless state?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is this, if you strongly believe in the death penalty enough, petition parliament there is absolutely no evidence that it served as a deterrent.

Yes it would save 20 - 50,000 a year per convicted criminal who swings rather than does life.

But would you be happy for 1 innocent person to hang?

Is it worth the money then?

Timothy Evans was wrongly convicted of one of Christie’s murders. Then later pardoned. Phostously

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think we would all want to tear somebody limb fom limb if they murdered one of our children.

However like it or not no citizeb of this country is an "outlaw" in the sense that the law applies to us all equally and therefore nobody is outside the protection of the law, criminal or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So they don't spend the money concealing them, they are sent out into society and mob mentality rules and they are killed.

What do we then do with those killers? Let them off?

Or apply the law, thus ruining their lives, their family's lives and riling society more, encouraging more vigilantism and descending into a lawless state?

I do not condone vigilantism but I also do not condone murderers going around with a false identity, which means that anyone of us could be living next door to a murderer. Remember it is not just just the killers who get a new name but their extended family. While the victims and their families get to live their lives coping with their loss knowing that the murderer is free. New name new life. Like I said the law is the law and can understand why but it turns my stomach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember it is not just just the killers who get a new name but their extended family. While the victims and their families get to live their lives coping with their loss knowing that the murderer is free."
so you are saying that if someone commits a murder for example, then you would object to their parents or siblings being protected from vigilantes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember it is not just just the killers who get a new name but their extended family. While the victims and their families get to live their lives coping with their loss knowing that the murderer is free. so you are saying that if someone commits a murder for example, then you would object to their parents or siblings being protected from vigilantes? "

Like I said the law is the law and can understand why but it turns my stomach. You obviously didnt read my last sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So they don't spend the money concealing them, they are sent out into society and mob mentality rules and they are killed.

What do we then do with those killers? Let them off?

Or apply the law, thus ruining their lives, their family's lives and riling society more, encouraging more vigilantism and descending into a lawless state?

Erm they just give you the new name. Not your family. This is actually shit because people’s families get persecuted while they are hidden.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's ironic that they can apply for a new identity because of vigilantes and theat of retribution.

If everyone kept quiet, they'd have nothing to back their application.

I didn't know families were also granted new identities, how do you know that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So they don't spend the money concealing them, they are sent out into society and mob mentality rules and they are killed.

What do we then do with those killers? Let them off?

Or apply the law, thus ruining their lives, their family's lives and riling society more, encouraging more vigilantism and descending into a lawless state?

Erm they just give you the new name. Not your family. This is actually shit because people’s families get persecuted while they are hidden. "

Ah I thought so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's ironic that they can apply for a new identity because of vigilantes and theat of retribution.

If everyone kept quiet, they'd have nothing to back their application.

I didn't know families were also granted new identities, how do you know that?"

The parents of the murderers were never given witness protection but were helped in getting a new identity and continue to get help in moving around once people realise who they are. I thought this was common knowledge. It was on the news fairly recently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's ironic that they can apply for a new identity because of vigilantes and theat of retribution.

If everyone kept quiet, they'd have nothing to back their application.

I didn't know families were also granted new identities, how do you know that?

That could mean anything - a council rehousing them, which happens all the time anyway. Changing your name isn't difficult or that expensive, it's a bit laborious but that's all. But you seem to be inferring that public money had been spent on this, I'd love to know the details of that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

why doesn't this surprise me.

There's simply far too many thickos out there, plus these people actually vote in elections & referendums ...... & they even sit on juries ffs!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's ironic that they can apply for a new identity because of vigilantes and theat of retribution.

If everyone kept quiet, they'd have nothing to back their application.

I didn't know families were also granted new identities, how do you know that?

I will cost money. People find out who they are. Threats etc etc. Police called...cost money. Council called. Re-homed to another area. Cost money. No income due to no job. On benefits. Cost money. As for the actually murderers....its cost us taxpayers well over £1.5 million keeping who and where they are secret. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

Try telling that to parents, siblings of these murdered children that suffer horrendously at the hands of monster's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that people need protection. Who wants mob rule ? Its just the obscene amount of money spent on protecting murderers that I find crazy. Law is law and needs respect. It just seems that the victims families suffer while the criminals get the easy life. Its just my personal view. People will either agree or not.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's ironic that they can apply for a new identity because of vigilantes and theat of retribution.

If everyone kept quiet, they'd have nothing to back their application.

I didn't know families were also granted new identities, how do you know that?

I thought it was £250k for the murderers?

And thank you, that's quite different than the impression I got from your first post.

Such a shame that vigilantes cause this cost...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once scum always scum.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Here’s the main problem with vigilantes, they are not the punisher, they are groups of low IQ narrow minded violent idiots looking for an excuse for violence.

Try telling that to parents, siblings of these murdered children that suffer horrendously at the hands of monster's. "

can not begin to imagine the pain and loss that parents and families go through under such circumstances but would reckon they would not wish the same pain inflicted upon an innocent persons family because a mob took vigilante action and wrongly so..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All these comments from people condoning killing these folk etc...did they have any effect on you whatsoever? Or is it just bile and pitchfork fever..sitting at home, passing judgement and deciding life and Death for people you've never met and have no bearing on you and your lives? Or are you just morally superior and therefore able to?

I've been directly effected by murder, more murder won't make it better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Awful case. As a mother I can empathise with Denise Bulger, mother of Jamie, and with the boys' mothers. Children killing children, not some serial killer methodically planning his next victim.

It's just mind-boggling. There's no way I can condemn with the same voracity as for the likes of Huntley and Brady.

And Thompson?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Awful case. As a mother I can empathise with Denise Bulger, mother of Jamie, and with the boys' mothers. Children killing children, not some serial killer methodically planning his next victim.

It's just mind-boggling. There's no way I can condemn with the same voracity as for the likes of Huntley and Brady.

And Thompson?"

And planned attack? You're not saying premeditated... Surely prior to the day they didn't plan to entice a child away from his mother, but was opportunistic?

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By *xplorer13 OP Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

those advocating such vigilante behaviour should think just what the consequences could be when other ill informed or plain old malicious people decide that their 'little johnny' said or did whatever and attack him for no reason.."
just meant to quote the bit that they are ex offenders and done their time.......are you living in the real world? Venebals pushed batteries into the folders bum, tortured him and killed him. So that makes him an exoffender who has done his time which I believe was put in 6 years? You can't have kids or nieces or nephews if you think he is now an ex offender!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t believe in the death penalty or killing this pair of evil scum bags! Thats too easy for them they should be made to suffer the rest of their lives! They should never of been released back into society in the first place! Regardless of how much it would of cost the country they should of been lock away till their dying days! People like this don’t change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters"

Have you stopped to consider why we dont just do that?

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

As far as I'm concerned, for crimes like this.

Life should mean life, in prison til the day they die.

And not some cushy cell with a comfy bed, 3 square meals a day & luxuries.

Solitary confinement, hard labour, minimal facilities.

The victims & their families get a life sentence, so should the perpetrators

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

those advocating such vigilante behaviour should think just what the consequences could be when other ill informed or plain old malicious people decide that their 'little johnny' said or did whatever and attack him for no reason..just meant to quote the bit that they are ex offenders and done their time.......are you living in the real world? Venebals pushed batteries into the folders bum, tortured him and killed him. So that makes him an exoffender who has done his time which I believe was put in 6 years? You can't have kids or nieces or nephews if you think he is now an ex offender!!!!"

well done for making a gross assumption that i was talking about the Bulger case..

the real world that i live in is the one you do, and that's the one where professional's run the system which you again missed i said is not perfect..

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By *asilForty77Man
over a year ago

a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road

should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

A so called friend from uni I found out recently was put on the sex offenders list and is not allowed to work with children

It appears that he has been given alternative name, as not on Headbook or online

Before anyone asks I was looking for him to see what happened to him, and then found out he was a sex offender. I was disgusted and shocked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A so called friend from uni I found out recently was put on the sex offenders list and is not allowed to work with children

It appears that he has been given alternative name, as not on Headbook or online

Before anyone asks I was looking for him to see what happened to him, and then found out he was a sex offender. I was disgusted and shocked. "

It’s not your fault he’s on it.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"As far as I'm concerned, for crimes like this.

Life should mean life, in prison til the day they die.

And not some cushy cell with a comfy bed, 3 square meals a day & luxuries.

Solitary confinement, hard labour, minimal facilities.

The victims & their families get a life sentence, so should the perpetrators

Agree with this cushy cell with bed and meals, TV, cable TV etc.

Don’t need to worry about electric, gas, heating, council tax and other bills.

Jail should be a jail, not a bloody hotel.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A so called friend from uni I found out recently was put on the sex offenders list and is not allowed to work with children

It appears that he has been given alternative name, as not on Headbook or online

Before anyone asks I was looking for him to see what happened to him, and then found out he was a sex offender. I was disgusted and shocked.

It’s not your fault he’s on it. "

There's a plethora of reasons that people are on Visor (violent and sex offenders register), not everyone on there is a rapist or kiddy fiddler.

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over a year ago

"should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide "

Whilst these two individuals committed the most heinous of crimes in my opinion, that does not give any police or prison officer, or any other person for that matter to commit something would be akin to their original crime.

I find your opinion to distort the facts of the incidents, albeit hypothetical incidents, rather disturbing. I presume this would be your method of conviction, if you were to sit on a jury too.

This doesn’t bode well for the already flawed justice and court system that we currently have in the UK. Especially as the Jurors have no chance of repercussions, even if the person they convict is later found to be innocent.

Our court system needs an overhaul, as does the rest of the justice system, as there are too many miscarriages of justice every year. Whilst I understand this may happen due to technicality issues, we still have police services and the system rigging a conviction in the favour of “public opinion.” This has been evidenced by many released prisoners in the past decades and their subsequent quashed convictions.

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over a year ago

Let's not forget that Venables and Thompson only ended up as monsters because of how their parents brought them up. That said I don't think they should have ever have been released; but their parents were just as guilty and should have gone to prison too

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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A judge it the person to determine sentences, not a beating mob. The public should not get involved in seeking any form of vengeful punishment - it's totally not within our responsibilities and anyone breaking the laws to do that should be dealt with appropriately and as a deterrent.

If we feel any emotional response to others crimes, it is up to us to deal with it, getting psychological treatment if we can't control ourselves.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

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"Let's not forget that Venables and Thompson only ended up as monsters because of how their parents brought them up. That said I don't think they should have ever have been released; but their parents were just as guilty and should have gone to prison too"

Don’t know why venebles and Thompson’s parents should have went to prison.

That sounds like something that happens in North Korea (you go to a prison/camp and your whole family go to prison also).

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over a year ago

" we still have police services and the system rigging a conviction in the favour of “public opinion.” This has been evidenced by many released prisoners in the past decades and their subsequent quashed convictions. "

Evidence? love to see that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide "

like Jimmy Saville's chauffeur....

A handy way to silence someone, - are you a cop?

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over a year ago

Evidence? love to see that "

Victor Nealon, served 17 years for alleged sexual assault. Police on the case never DNA tested the victims clothing and informed the trial that no DNA evidence was available. The CCRC refused twice to investigate the evidence despite a privately funded DNA test found the clothing, kept sealed and untested, contained a DNA sample that was neither Nealon’s or the victims.

Sam Hallam, served 7 years for the death of a trainee chef, despite him not being at the crime scene. His phone was not investigated by the police, which proved he was not there. In my experience, one of the first protocols is to confiscate and interrogate the phone for evidence.

Sally Clark, served 3 years, following the deaths of her two young children. This was based on an ‘expert’ witnesses testimony that two cot deaths in a wealthy family had a one in 73 million chance of occurring. There was no basis for this claim.

Paul Blackburn, served 25 years, following a conviction of sexual assault and attempted murder. He was aged 15 at the time. The prosecution’s primary evidence was a confession from Mr Blackburn. This was given after 4 hours of interrogation and dictated to him by the police. It was ruled that his ‘freely written confession in his own words’ did not match with his poor education, as So many technical terms within were spelled correctly.

On a personal note, a family friend whom was convicted of armed robbery, is still fighting to overturn is conviction after 20 years, despite providing evidence of the witness being told his position in the lineup by the police staff at the station.

This is a handful of serious cases and allegations, yet there are others that do occur and have done more recently.

On the other hand, there are also some cases that should have been dealt with on a more serious level yet for some reason or another, they weren’t.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide

like Jimmy Saville's chauffeur....

A handy way to silence someone, - are you a cop?"

Aye now Jimmy Savile. Now that guy got off with child molestation and more for years.

I think many people had heard rumours/whispers about him for years.

Savile’s chauffeur and secretary surly must had an idea what he REALLY was up to.

Savile should have been castrated while conscience.

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over a year ago

Evidence? love to see that

This is a handful of serious cases and allegations, yet there are others that do occur and have done more recently.

On the other hand, there are also some cases that should have been dealt with on a more serious level yet for some reason or another, they weren’t. "

All seems inconclusive?

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over a year ago

"should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide

like Jimmy Saville's chauffeur....

A handy way to silence someone, - are you a cop?

Aye now Jimmy Savile. Now that guy got off with child molestation and more for years.

I think many people had heard rumours/whispers about him for years.

Savile’s chauffeur and secretary surly must had an idea what he REALLY was up to.

Savile should have been castrated while conscience."

That was my point, his chauffeur was found hanged, - the one guy whom knew so much.

The cops ignored the complaints about Jimmy Saville, - which can only make one wonder how high up in society this scandal reached ........ High enough to have his chauffeur murdered perhaps???

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over a year ago

All seems inconclusive?"

I understand people’s view that they need to believe the justice system is infallible, but it isn’t. Any system governed by the human species is flawed from the beginning as humans are inherently flawed.

Whilst I do believe in the justice system, and I believe it’s operation is, for most conviction positive, I don’t believe we should leave it to chance. There should be an improvement and uplift of the system in place.

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By *xplorer13 OP Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

those advocating such vigilante behaviour should think just what the consequences could be when other ill informed or plain old malicious people decide that their 'little johnny' said or did whatever and attack him for no reason..just meant to quote the bit that they are ex offenders and done their time.......are you living in the real world? Venebals pushed batteries into the folders bum, tortured him and killed him. So that makes him an exoffender who has done his time which I believe was put in 6 years? You can't have kids or nieces or nephews if you think he is now an ex offender!!!!

well done for making a gross assumption that i was talking about the Bulger case..

the real world that i live in is the one you do, and that's the one where professional's run the system which you again missed i said is not perfect..

My post is about the Bulger case. Nothing less nothing more. Maybe you should have read it!

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By *xplorer13 OP Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

those advocating such vigilante behaviour should think just what the consequences could be when other ill informed or plain old malicious people decide that their 'little johnny' said or did whatever and attack him for no reason..just meant to quote the bit that they are ex offenders and done their time.......are you living in the real world? Venebals pushed batteries into the folders bum, tortured him and killed him. So that makes him an exoffender who has done his time which I believe was put in 6 years? You can't have kids or nieces or nephews if you think he is now an ex offender!!!!

well done for making a gross assumption that i was talking about the Bulger case..

the real world that i live in is the one you do, and that's the one where professional's run the system which you again missed i said is not perfect..

My post is about the Bulger case. Nothing less nothing more. Maybe you should have read it!

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"should of hung the pair of scum long ago and reported as suicide

like Jimmy Saville's chauffeur....

A handy way to silence someone, - are you a cop?

Aye now Jimmy Savile. Now that guy got off with child molestation and more for years.

I think many people had heard rumours/whispers about him for years.

Savile’s chauffeur and secretary surly must had an idea what he REALLY was up to.

Savile should have been castrated while conscience.

That was my point, his chauffeur was found hanged, - the one guy whom knew so much.

The cops ignored the complaints about Jimmy Saville, - which can only make one wonder how high up in society this scandal reached ........ High enough to have his chauffeur murdered perhaps???"

Ok I knew Savile had a secretary for years (seen an inerview after it all “came out” about Savile) thought he may have had different chauffeurs.

But his secretary kept appointment list etc.

Basically knew him better than most people you’d think, again she claims that she “never knew”. Aye pull the other one I think

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over a year ago

All seems inconclusive?

Not sure why you're mansplaining to me?

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over a year ago

All seems inconclusive?

Not sure why you're mansplaining to me?"

Attempting to converse about why I believe the way I do and trying to gauge an understanding of your beliefs and knowledge in the matter is mansplaining?

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over a year ago

All seems inconclusive?

Not sure why you're mansplaining to me?

Attempting to converse about why I believe the way I do and trying to gauge an understanding of your beliefs and knowledge in the matter is mansplaining? "

Telling me that the justice system isn't infallible. And that any system derived by humans will be flawed by its very nature was mansplaining.

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over a year ago

All seems inconclusive?

Not sure why you're mansplaining to me?

Attempting to converse about why I believe the way I do and trying to gauge an understanding of your beliefs and knowledge in the matter is mansplaining?

Telling me that the justice system isn't infallible. And that any system derived by humans will be flawed by its very nature was mansplaining. "

And yeah, didn't see you trying to gauge any understanding of my knowledge or beliefs

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over a year ago

All seems inconclusive?

Not sure why you're mansplaining to me?

Attempting to converse about why I believe the way I do and trying to gauge an understanding of your beliefs and knowledge in the matter is mansplaining?

Telling me that the justice system isn't infallible. And that any system derived by humans will be flawed by its very nature was mansplaining.

And yeah, didn't see you trying to gauge any understanding of my knowledge or beliefs "

Please tell me why you believe it all to be inconclusive, as you appear to disregard the documented positions given by the court of appeal, based on the evidence stated above.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

those advocating such vigilante behaviour should think just what the consequences could be when other ill informed or plain old malicious people decide that their 'little johnny' said or did whatever and attack him for no reason..just meant to quote the bit that they are ex offenders and done their time.......are you living in the real world? Venebals pushed batteries into the folders bum, tortured him and killed him. So that makes him an exoffender who has done his time which I believe was put in 6 years? You can't have kids or nieces or nephews if you think he is now an ex offender!!!!

well done for making a gross assumption that i was talking about the Bulger case..

the real world that i live in is the one you do, and that's the one where professional's run the system which you again missed i said is not perfect..

My post is about the Bulger case. Nothing less nothing more. Maybe you should have read it!

tad ironic you saying that given i was initially responding to another post..

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By *xplorer13 OP Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

this..

the system may not be perfect but its there to not only protect ex offenders who have served their time but also to prevent the angry, ill informed and sheer ignorant from carrying out such actions..

those advocating such vigilante behaviour should think just what the consequences could be when other ill informed or plain old malicious people decide that their 'little johnny' said or did whatever and attack him for no reason..just meant to quote the bit that they are ex offenders and done their time.......are you living in the real world? Venebals pushed batteries into the folders bum, tortured him and killed him. So that makes him an exoffender who has done his time which I believe was put in 6 years? You can't have kids or nieces or nephews if you think he is now an ex offender!!!!

well done for making a gross assumption that i was talking about the Bulger case..

the real world that i live in is the one you do, and that's the one where professional's run the system which you again missed i said is not perfect..

My post is about the Bulger case. Nothing less nothing more. Maybe you should have read it!

tad ironic you saying that given i was initially responding to another post..

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what post? Kiss shag or avoid?

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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All seems inconclusive?

Not sure why you're mansplaining to me?

Attempting to converse about why I believe the way I do and trying to gauge an understanding of your beliefs and knowledge in the matter is mansplaining?

Telling me that the justice system isn't infallible. And that any system derived by humans will be flawed by its very nature was mansplaining.

And yeah, didn't see you trying to gauge any understanding of my knowledge or beliefs

Please tell me why you believe it all to be inconclusive, as you appear to disregard the documented positions given by the court of appeal, based on the evidence stated above. "

You're a man therefore you mansplained. It's that clear cut to some people bud.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

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"A judge it the person to determine sentences, not a beating mob. The public should not get involved in seeking any form of vengeful punishment - it's totally not within our responsibilities and anyone breaking the laws to do that should be dealt with appropriately and as a deterrent.

If we feel any emotional response to others crimes, it is up to us to deal with it, getting psychological treatment if we can't control ourselves. "

Best post on here.

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight

If we feel any emotional response to others crimes, it is up to us to deal with it, getting psychological treatment if we can't control ourselves.

Best post on here."

Agreed, and its what seperates us from the baying mobs of places where "justice" is served by what would be considered criminal acts here. We don't always get it right, but right to a fair trial is the cornerstone of what we believe is the correct thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gross assumptions probably purported by media of the time.

Many children suffer at the hands of their parents, do they all turn into murderers?

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over a year ago

"it should be public where they are and should be left to the community to take care of these monsters

Then things like this happen.....

Mob mentality- all sharing one brain cell.

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