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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() . They would have killed Clarkson!!. Based on that alone I say let's plough ahead and make sure he's the first to get one ![]() | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() ![]() I’m not ashamed to say I like the fella but Jesus this made me laugh out loud ![]() | |||
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"will it mean people can go in their car and get pissed if they are not driving it?? also, will it be allowed to do the school run while mummy stays in bed?? who gets the tickets for traffic violations if the computer slips up ??" I wonder if kids will be allowed them. Can you get in one d*unk. Do you need a licence to own one? | |||
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"Who ends up in Court when a driverless car/van/lorry ends up in a fatality?" Probably not you as the car doesn't have the self preservation instinct you would have. It will be programmed to kill you, not a pedestrian. | |||
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"will we be less likely to have bellends with a sense of entitlement to do stupid shit in cars doing stupid shit in cars?" I doubt it until/unless it becomes illegal to drive manually but I'm not sure that will ever be a reality. | |||
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control ![]() A computer could certainly be programmed to act in the best global interest. For example, given the choice of hitting pedestrians or a speeding truck head on, a human is far more likely to hit the pedestrians and save himself than the truck. The computer doesn't give it a second thought and hits the truck killing the contents of the car. | |||
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control ![]() But does the computer driven truck take avoiding action? And what reaction would this action have? In the occurrence of a crash, I doubt there's much in the way of 'choice' being made by the driver. | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() There was a fatality with a 'driverless' Tesla in the usa last year. That was the first fatality from 130 million autonomous driven miles. The average for regular cars is one per 93 million miles. So, that would indicate they are actually safer. Caution is needed of course, and uk driving is very different to US driving. | |||
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control ![]() Do you fly when you go abroad? The technology has been used in planes since the 80's. | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() It's a good idea when it's done at the right pace. If you make every taxi and lorry driver redundant overnight then there will be riots by dawn. That said things do need to move forward and they can't be lingering on forever like the eggy farts 'driving' our tube trains for £60k a year. | |||
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control ![]() Well yes, but because I can't fly I have no other choice than to hand over my safety to whatever combination of human and computer gets me from A to B. Flying doesn't bother me at all, I'm very 'que sera, sera' about it. Being able to drive though I'd much prefer to remain wholly responsible for completing my journeys safely. I do accept however that computer driven cars would be a much better transport solution if they helped stamp out the myriad dreadful drivers about (boy racers, people who drive right up your backside, non indicators, 'pootlers', lane hoggers etc etc). | |||
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control ![]() I'm just interested why a driverless car / loss of control freaks you out more ![]() | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() true an awful lots of roads in the US are straight .try it on our roads ....a disaster waiting to happen . | |||
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"A computer could certainly be programmed to act in the best global interest. For example, given the choice of hitting pedestrians or a speeding truck head on, a human is far more likely to hit the pedestrians and save himself than the truck. The computer doesn't give it a second thought and hits the truck killing the contents of the car." What if the truck is a fuel tanker, which would jackknife taking out the pedestrians, before rolling over and covering the old people's home the orphanage and the big eyed puppy rescue centre in burning oil. When a human driver would have applied the brakes and blown the horn... | |||
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"Does it mean as a lorry driver I'll be able to work from home? I'm imagining VR goggles and a playstation in bed. " Maybe. I'm guessing the AI won't be good enough to do those ice trucker routes so they would need to be done remotely. | |||
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"I think you will find that somebody very high up in government circles has a strong financial interest in the company who are developing the technology, and are getting all the grants. And who will make millions from selling shares just before that company goes bust. ![]() In the usa Tesla and google are 'driving' it. | |||
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"I really have no idea why companies are perusing this, I mean what’s the bloody point? ![]() Hits the nail on the head. 90% of vehicles only have one occupant, who is capable of driving a car without big brother to hold their hand. What would be the point of kicking the driver out so your car can go to work without you leaving you getting the bus? | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() ![]() ![]() . And they say AI isn't really intelligent?. I think there brighter than we give them credit for. And on that bombshell ![]() | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still." Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones ![]() | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still." If any of these systems fail though they don't cause an accident they just don't protect the occupants from the driver's errors. If a computer malfunctions and pulls the steering wheel to one side, that will cause an accident. The current systems are all passive. If any one fails you effectively get a lower spec car, not a dangerous one. It's really not difficult to drive a car that doesn't have abs, stability control etc... A lot of us started driving without any of them, or power steering or servo assisted brakes. My first car didn't even have a fog light or hazard lights (no double parking on a zebra crossing for me) and the indicators had to be switched off manually. | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still. If any of these systems fail though they don't cause an accident they just don't protect the occupants from the driver's errors. If a computer malfunctions and pulls the steering wheel to one side, that will cause an accident. The current systems are all passive. If any one fails you effectively get a lower spec car, not a dangerous one. It's really not difficult to drive a car that doesn't have abs, stability control etc... A lot of us started driving without any of them, or power steering or servo assisted brakes. My first car didn't even have a fog light or hazard lights (no double parking on a zebra crossing for me) and the indicators had to be switched off manually. " My first car had no power steering or half the modern cack they have on cars now either ant it wasn't difficult to drive. I firmly believe that like all walks of life, in driving, Tech is making people lazy and slovenly. You don't even need the nouse to turn your own lights on half the time as the car does it for you now. Human nature though, if people can find ways of expending a tiny bit less effort and getting machines to do the work and take the responsibility, they will ![]() | |||
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"Human drivers, speed, get d*unk, don't pay attention, act recklessly, get road rage, cut corners, get tired, act selfishly, they're brains don't work as fast and there sensors don't take in as much information.... If I had to be driven by somebody, given that data I'd go with the human ![]() Have you ever used a computer? They're no more stable than a human yet only as intelligent as the computer that programmed it. A computer program can work fine until someone trys to do something it wasn't expecting then it just crashes. The Typhoon has three different computers all doing the same job in case they crash. How many will be on the Ford? | |||
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control ![]() ![]() I think it really does just boil down to the fact that I *can* drive a car, but *can't* fly a plane - so I have no choice, if I want to fly, except to put my trust in the pilot and onboard computers. I do really enjoy driving too, and don't want to stop! | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still. If any of these systems fail though they don't cause an accident they just don't protect the occupants from the driver's errors. If a computer malfunctions and pulls the steering wheel to one side, that will cause an accident. The current systems are all passive. If any one fails you effectively get a lower spec car, not a dangerous one. " Your DSC can chose to brake any wheel at any speed. Your electric park brake can activate at any time. Electric power steering can move where it wants. All are ECU controlled and all could be catastrophic. They all work and lots if people have them without even realising. | |||
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"Does it mean as a lorry driver I'll be able to work from home? I'm imagining VR goggles and a playstation in bed. Maybe. I'm guessing the AI won't be good enough to do those ice trucker routes so they would need to be done remotely. " I could be even lazier than i am now. | |||
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"Does it mean as a lorry driver I'll be able to work from home? I'm imagining VR goggles and a playstation in bed. Maybe. I'm guessing the AI won't be good enough to do those ice trucker routes so they would need to be done remotely. I could be even lazier than i am now." They are talking about trialling some kind of truck road train. The front vehicle has a driver, the ones following drive autonomously, bumper to bumper just mimicking the front vehicle. | |||
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" Will improve safety. Taxi drivers gone, Truckers gone " A safer life for all those prostitutes then. | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() who gives a fuck, at the end of the day I will still drive a Hilux and ride a bike, still enjoying life | |||
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"Good idea? Jobs? Safety? Hacking? ![]() And 100 years ago he would have said the same if he was testing the early aeroplanes. 30 years ago he would have dismissed early mobile phones as having rubbish reception and sound, and 40 years ago he would have been dismissing the first colour TVs. Surprise surprise, technologies improve. | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still. Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones ![]() Wind up windows, how modern... Us traditionalists stick with slinding windows, none of that new fangled winder mechanism... ![]() | |||
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"Personally, think that they have massive potential. Unfortunately the real impact won't be apparent until all the vehicles on the road are computer driven. There would be a massive reduction in congestion with all vehicles observing proper lane discipline and slowing down to the best speed for controlling the flow of traffic. There would be an increase in speed limit because the computers can react quicker and communicate with each other which would be like reading the minds of every driver on the road. Hugely better safety, due to the driver not being distracted by its phone... Personally though, I'd still rather drive myself. Cal" ![]() | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still. Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones ![]() ![]() Had them in my old man's Morris! Genius, and agreed...worked just fine, and even more hassle free than winders! I do like the winding action though ![]() | |||
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people. They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still. Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones ![]() ![]() ![]() In a nod to modern technology, I do have intermittent wipers... ![]() | |||
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