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"lol just laughing at the " not for smoking as I did that " lol" I used to skive, so I don't want i brought back for that. Oh, and fingering Katrina B in science class, that should be allowed too. Matthew Black stole my sweets though. I want that fucker thrashed to within an inch of his life. | |||
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"Plus just how hard are you allowed to cane someone for it to make a difference to their behaviour? A little tap A hard swipe A full on run up?" Split the skin and pour salt in | |||
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"Plus just how hard are you allowed to cane someone for it to make a difference to their behaviour? A little tap A hard swipe A full on run up? Split the skin and pour salt in " You go to a Catholic school? | |||
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"Is it only me that sees the irony of assaulting someone as a punishment for assault? " You see I said that on another thread...no one answered...so I will answer you Yes, I see the irony. | |||
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"Is it only me that sees the irony of assaulting someone as a punishment for assault? You see I said that on another thread...no one answered...so I will answer you Yes, I see the irony." It teaches us a strong moral code... you hurt someone, expect someone to hurt you back. It's the basic rule of being in Goodfellas.... and not the pizza. | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault." So use violence against children in order to show them that they shouldnt use violence? Hm I had the cane once for standing up to a bully. Just shortly after we actually got a lecture in class about standing up to bullies after the said bully beat up a girl so badly she had a week off school. Also, when in junior school I was actually grabbed around the throat by a teacher because I was the nearest and the class were not being quiet. Later on, different school, I had a bully of a teacher who would throw a wooden board wiper at students, missed them behind me but hit me in the head. He also called me names, as I was new and he didnt like my london accent, taking the mickey out of my surname. When I was ill he wouldnt let me go home until the Head interveened. Nasty little man who is not alone in the bullying of pupils. No, I would never agree to it. I dont trust teachers to make that judgement call and never would. I have worked with some great teachers, none of whom have found violence necessary to get respect even from the most difficult of students. | |||
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"I used to skive, so I don't want i brought back for that. Oh, and fingering Katrina B in science class, that should be allowed too. Matthew Black stole my sweets though. I want that fucker thrashed to within an inch of his life." | |||
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"I'd bring it back as I feel discipline in schools has gone way downhill. The real sanction though seems to be your parents finding out or what they might do to you. And the problem is these days most parents seem to enable the kids' bad behaviour, defend it and cause it by the example they set. You'd probably end up with the parents seeking compensation for the kids being caned." That is true.. I was picking my son up from school today..(who is no angel at school I will admit) Anyway, long story short.. one of his classmates was being held waiting for the police as he had smashed a window and smashed some other things.. as I walked out the mother was ranting that what sort of school rings the police on a kid... why had he been dragged into the office.. When I come into school for something my son wont even look up, he knows that he is in more trouble from me than he will be from school.. I actually said to him that there is talk of bringing the cane back.. he squeeled and said omg.. I would not dare be bad then... He knows bad day at school means punishment at home.. ranging from to his room for a set period, grounding, no tv/xbox or all of the above.. and in fact one day add just bread, water and an apple for tea. Parents need to work with the schools... not against them. They need to scrap all these places that you can sue anyone for anything.. and the world will get a much better place.. I think across the back of the hands for the cane or palms.. ohhhh that hurts.. but not enough to cause serious damage.. cali | |||
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"Don't support any kind of corporal punishment, and least of all where teachers are expected to be judge, jury and executioner. No-one should have the right to assault a child." but it's ok for the naughty pupils to assault the teachers?,or other pupils by bullying them?,or for disruptng the education of the other pupils that go to school to be educated?. | |||
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"Don't support any kind of corporal punishment, and least of all where teachers are expected to be judge, jury and executioner. No-one should have the right to assault a child. but it's ok for the naughty pupils to assault the teachers?,or other pupils by bullying them?,or for disruptng the education of the other pupils that go to school to be educated?." Of course it's not OK. If there are problems of that kind then they need to be dealt with, but not by state-sanctioned abuse of children by caning of fingers or backsides. | |||
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"I wouldn't say to bring it back for trivial things but discipline has gone far too far backwards in schools." Has it? According to Ofsted 92% of schools are "good" or "outstanding" for behaviour. Even amongst secondary schools, where behaviour is the least good, 80% were "good" or better. Of the rest, 19% were deemed "satisfactory" and only 1% were judged "inadequate" Perhaps the Daily Mail sees it differently when it wants to whip up a storm, but the facts don't support the notion that behaviour is getting worse. | |||
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"Wishy when you say "it is not wanted by the recipient" that is generally a definition of what punishment is." Punishment can come in many forms. Physical abuse of children by adults should not be one of them. Nobody will ever convince me that corporal punishment is an acceptable method of correction. | |||
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" Of course it's not OK. If there are problems of that kind then they need to be dealt with, but not by state-sanctioned abuse of children by caning of fingers or backsides." i remember at a local school in b'ham a young pupil punched a teacher unconcious!,after a suspension the pupil was allowed back into that school where that teacher was still working trying to educate the other pupils,how must he and his fellow teachers have felt with such a disruptive pupil still amongst them and ready to explode at anytime?,they lay a finger on a pupil like that these days and their career is over!. | |||
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"Then .... the worst offenders of all ......sexual miscreants.....swingers..... we should water cannon the whole fucking kit and kaboodle of them into monogomy ... ahhhhhh the good old days. " Kinky | |||
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" I think that schools should have a "jail cell" that misbehaving kids should be locked in for the whole school day until the parent/parents turn up and pay a hefty fine dependant on the offence." The human rights wankers will certainly have plenty to say about that!!...nah...like the rioters, we should encourage them to talk to us..we will listen, we will cuddle them and tell them being naughty doesnt matter as long as they are happy. | |||
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"I wouldn't say to bring it back for trivial things but discipline has gone far too far backwards in schools. Has it? According to Ofsted 92% of schools are "good" or "outstanding" for behaviour. Even amongst secondary schools, where behaviour is the least good, 80% were "good" or better. Of the rest, 19% were deemed "satisfactory" and only 1% were judged "inadequate" Perhaps the Daily Mail sees it differently when it wants to whip up a storm, but the facts don't support the notion that behaviour is getting worse." A recent survey of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers says otherwise. That's from that right wing bible otherwise known as The Guardian btw. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/apr/18/childrens-behaviour-school-teachers | |||
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"I wouldn't say to bring it back for trivial things but discipline has gone far too far backwards in schools. Has it? According to Ofsted 92% of schools are "good" or "outstanding" for behaviour. Even amongst secondary schools, where behaviour is the least good, 80% were "good" or better. Of the rest, 19% were deemed "satisfactory" and only 1% were judged "inadequate" Perhaps the Daily Mail sees it differently when it wants to whip up a storm, but the facts don't support the notion that behaviour is getting worse. A recent survey of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers says otherwise. That's from that right wing bible otherwise known as The Guardian btw. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/apr/18/childrens-behaviour-school-teachers" Dont you mean left wing bible? | |||
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"I am only for this under the following conditions 1. I get to pick the teacher 2. I get to pick what the teacher wears 3. I get a "safe word" " hahaha like it! | |||
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"I was being sarcy lol " Six of the best for you m'lad... | |||
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"I am only for this under the following conditions 1. I get to pick the teacher 2. I get to pick what the teacher wears 3. I get a "safe word" hahaha like it!" 1. Picked me teacher 2. No longer an issue 3. "tulip" | |||
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"parents responsibilty in my opinion on punishment of any physical nature! and brings me back to a day i remember a pal getting taken out of class by a teacher who preceeded to beat him with a shoe....gladly the pals mother a kickboxing champ(and probably some other nice glasgow connections) sorted out the whole mess afterwards... " Half the parents probably couldnt give a shit and are just as bad as the kids.. | |||
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"parents responsibilty in my opinion on punishment of any physical nature! and brings me back to a day i remember a pal getting taken out of class by a teacher who preceeded to beat him with a shoe....gladly the pals mother a kickboxing champ(and probably some other nice glasgow connections) sorted out the whole mess afterwards... Half the parents probably couldnt give a shit and are just as bad as the kids.." bring the parents i for a caning lol | |||
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"parents responsibilty in my opinion on punishment of any physical nature! and brings me back to a day i remember a pal getting taken out of class by a teacher who preceeded to beat him with a shoe....gladly the pals mother a kickboxing champ(and probably some other nice glasgow connections) sorted out the whole mess afterwards... Half the parents probably couldnt give a shit and are just as bad as the kids.. bring the parents i for a caning lol" *in lol | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault." If they did i wud go back to school | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault." never understood why they stopped in the 1st place | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. So use violence against children in order to show them that they shouldnt use violence? Hm I had the cane once for standing up to a bully. Just shortly after we actually got a lecture in class about standing up to bullies after the said bully beat up a girl so badly she had a week off school. Also, when in junior school I was actually grabbed around the throat by a teacher because I was the nearest and the class were not being quiet. Later on, different school, I had a bully of a teacher who would throw a wooden board wiper at students, missed them behind me but hit me in the head. He also called me names, as I was new and he didnt like my london accent, taking the mickey out of my surname. When I was ill he wouldnt let me go home until the Head interveened. Nasty little man who is not alone in the bullying of pupils. No, I would never agree to it. I dont trust teachers to make that judgement call and never would. I have worked with some great teachers, none of whom have found violence necessary to get respect even from the most difficult of students. " Oh yes, here we go with the tales of how one Super teacher could control a class of mindless morons with just one severe look. We've heard it all but it does not cut the ice! The fact is that there are an endless supply of little shits who teachers are expected to deal with. Perhaps they need to be sent to 'special' schools with teachers who have the skills and patience of saints to deal with them. I once thought of becoming a teacher but wisely changed my mind knowing that if confronted with one of these little shits I would simply punch them in the face and have to deal with the parents, who, no doubt would come storming into the school seeking retribution against the 'monster' who had traumatised their little angel. Who never had done anything wrong in his or her life. It's little wonder that standards of education have fallen in this country. Teachers have no authority in the classroom and thereby no ability to control the little thugs who seek to disrupt the teaching for everybody else. | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. So use violence against children in order to show them that they shouldnt use violence? Hm I had the cane once for standing up to a bully. Just shortly after we actually got a lecture in class about standing up to bullies after the said bully beat up a girl so badly she had a week off school. Also, when in junior school I was actually grabbed around the throat by a teacher because I was the nearest and the class were not being quiet. Later on, different school, I had a bully of a teacher who would throw a wooden board wiper at students, missed them behind me but hit me in the head. He also called me names, as I was new and he didnt like my london accent, taking the mickey out of my surname. When I was ill he wouldnt let me go home until the Head interveened. Nasty little man who is not alone in the bullying of pupils. No, I would never agree to it. I dont trust teachers to make that judgement call and never would. I have worked with some great teachers, none of whom have found violence necessary to get respect even from the most difficult of students. Oh yes, here we go with the tales of how one Super teacher could control a class of mindless morons with just one severe look. We've heard it all but it does not cut the ice! The fact is that there are an endless supply of little shits who teachers are expected to deal with. Perhaps they need to be sent to 'special' schools with teachers who have the skills and patience of saints to deal with them. I once thought of becoming a teacher but wisely changed my mind knowing that if confronted with one of these little shits I would simply punch them in the face and have to deal with the parents, who, no doubt would come storming into the school seeking retribution against the 'monster' who had traumatised their little angel. Who never had done anything wrong in his or her life. It's little wonder that standards of education have fallen in this country. Teachers have no authority in the classroom and thereby no ability to control the little thugs who seek to disrupt the teaching for everybody else." You sound a pleasant chap | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. So use violence against children in order to show them that they shouldnt use violence? Hm I had the cane once for standing up to a bully. Just shortly after we actually got a lecture in class about standing up to bullies after the said bully beat up a girl so badly she had a week off school. Also, when in junior school I was actually grabbed around the throat by a teacher because I was the nearest and the class were not being quiet. Later on, different school, I had a bully of a teacher who would throw a wooden board wiper at students, missed them behind me but hit me in the head. He also called me names, as I was new and he didnt like my london accent, taking the mickey out of my surname. When I was ill he wouldnt let me go home until the Head interveened. Nasty little man who is not alone in the bullying of pupils. No, I would never agree to it. I dont trust teachers to make that judgement call and never would. I have worked with some great teachers, none of whom have found violence necessary to get respect even from the most difficult of students. Oh yes, here we go with the tales of how one Super teacher could control a class of mindless morons with just one severe look. We've heard it all but it does not cut the ice! The fact is that there are an endless supply of little shits who teachers are expected to deal with. Perhaps they need to be sent to 'special' schools with teachers who have the skills and patience of saints to deal with them. I once thought of becoming a teacher but wisely changed my mind knowing that if confronted with one of these little shits I would simply punch them in the face and have to deal with the parents, who, no doubt would come storming into the school seeking retribution against the 'monster' who had traumatised their little angel. Who never had done anything wrong in his or her life. It's little wonder that standards of education have fallen in this country. Teachers have no authority in the classroom and thereby no ability to control the little thugs who seek to disrupt the teaching for everybody else. You sound a pleasant chap " The teaching profession missed out on a gem there. | |||
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"What good did caning actually do? " The school I went to till 14 had corporal punishment for failing to reach required academic standards as well as discipline. The mantra of the priests was "your parents are paying us to educate you, you can learn your lessons or we will beat them into you". It got me through 'O' levels, 'A' levels and the first year of poly. If I had stayed there and done my inter's and higher's I would have sailed through uni rather than dropping out of poly. | |||
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"Teachers should be caned for poor teaching and less than adequate results" Although I agree there are some poor teachers about. Whether it's disciplining pupils or actually teaching the subject. Some students just don't want to learn. So you can't blame a teacher for that | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. So use violence against children in order to show them that they shouldnt use violence? Hm I had the cane once for standing up to a bully. Just shortly after we actually got a lecture in class about standing up to bullies after the said bully beat up a girl so badly she had a week off school. Also, when in junior school I was actually grabbed around the throat by a teacher because I was the nearest and the class were not being quiet. Later on, different school, I had a bully of a teacher who would throw a wooden board wiper at students, missed them behind me but hit me in the head. He also called me names, as I was new and he didnt like my london accent, taking the mickey out of my surname. When I was ill he wouldnt let me go home until the Head interveened. Nasty little man who is not alone in the bullying of pupils. No, I would never agree to it. I dont trust teachers to make that judgement call and never would. I have worked with some great teachers, none of whom have found violence necessary to get respect even from the most difficult of students. Oh yes, here we go with the tales of how one Super teacher could control a class of mindless morons with just one severe look. We've heard it all but it does not cut the ice! The fact is that there are an endless supply of little shits who teachers are expected to deal with. Perhaps they need to be sent to 'special' schools with teachers who have the skills and patience of saints to deal with them. I once thought of becoming a teacher but wisely changed my mind knowing that if confronted with one of these little shits I would simply punch them in the face and have to deal with the parents, who, no doubt would come storming into the school seeking retribution against the 'monster' who had traumatised their little angel. Who never had done anything wrong in his or her life. It's little wonder that standards of education have fallen in this country. Teachers have no authority in the classroom and thereby no ability to control the little thugs who seek to disrupt the teaching for everybody else." To avoid looking foolish it's best not to write about things of which you know nothing. | |||
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"I got the slipper twice in first school, three times each time. got nothing in middle school but got the cane twice in high school. Once for throwing snowballs at the busses that passed and another for fighting. Now each time I got the cane it was never the teacher who caught us but the head of year that dealt it out, so imparshal in a sort of way. Three times each and boy did it sting, did it learn me a leasson?? well no I still got into fights, I still threw snowballs at the busses, but it was my parents that scared me, my mother most of all. Well not scared me but me being scared of letting them down, knowing I had been doing something I know I should not have, I had RESPECT for my elders and especially for my parents and that is the thing that is missing this day and age. " You had respect for your elders and you didn't listen to them. That's a contradiction in terms . Also I hope the busses weren't moving when you threw the snowballs | |||
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"Don't support any kind of corporal punishment, and least of all where teachers are expected to be judge, jury and executioner. No-one should have the right to assault a child. but it's ok for the naughty pupils to assault the teachers?,or other pupils by bullying them?,or for disruptng the education of the other pupils that go to school to be educated?. Of course it's not OK. If there are problems of that kind then they need to be dealt with, but not by state-sanctioned abuse of children by caning of fingers or backsides." throwing chalk and on occasions board rubbers hurtling through the air from teachers at pupils and yes rulers across knuckles i heard in the past but anywhere on the hands I didn,t agree with and was told the birch was a forerunner to the cane and a damn sight worse if on the recieveing end yes I don,t agree on any of those methods, but some form of punishment and if it be the cane so be it and its the bad kids that are makeing its return possible nobody but to blame but themselves 37 years later the cane could make a return. | |||
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"You had respect for your elders and you didn't listen to them. That's a contradiction in terms . Also I hope the busses weren't moving when you threw the snowballs " We also throwed snowballs at moving buses.. Guilty .. But with parents - you just had to push the Boundaries.. 5 mins late I was grounded for two nights.. I cant even do that to my own kids.. so yeah boundaries have changed.. and so have Attitudes toward punishment.. FFs When we were good we were allowed to watch some telly.. and had to grow up watching the likes of Rolf Harris.. I now feel violated !! it was the only thing on the telly at the time.. usually before newsround or some shi/thing Kids with mobile phones.. | |||
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"If I were a parent and found some stranger had been caning my child, I'd be straight down the school looking to shove that cane up the teachers arse, but at the same time realise that their are some students who simply refuse to be taught, and worse, drag others down with them, so what I'd suggest is that such childrens parents should be made aware that if THEY don't take steps to discipline their child, then the school will do it for them - canings would thusly only be given out as a last resort." some of the worse behaved boys at my school were periodically beaten by their parents for any slight misdemeanor. They become immune to it. One girl's mum would pour hot wax on her arm as punishment for not cleaning the house properly. Beating anyone for a punishment isn't productive. If it was they would do it in prison or as an alternative to prison. You can't beat an education into a child | |||
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"You can't beat an education into a child " And that is glaringly apparent whenever these debates take place. | |||
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"If I were a parent and found some stranger had been caning my child, I'd be straight down the school looking to shove that cane up the teachers arse, but at the same time realise that their are some students who simply refuse to be taught, and worse, drag others down with them, so what I'd suggest is that such childrens parents should be made aware that if THEY don't take steps to discipline their child, then the school will do it for them - canings would thusly only be given out as a last resort. some of the worse behaved boys at my school were periodically beaten by their parents for any slight misdemeanor. They become immune to it. One girl's mum would pour hot wax on her arm as punishment for not cleaning the house properly. Beating anyone for a punishment isn't productive. If it was they would do it in prison or as an alternative to prison. You can't beat an education into a child " I have mixed feelings towards this as sometimes you find the quiet ones have been beaten. So it works, but sometimes it goes too far and the wrong people get caned. I don't believe in it when t comes to a child's academic or fitness performances as everyone is different and not everyone is blessed with brains/fitness and it isn't their fault. However if bullying was getting out of hand and everything was done to solve it barring caning. Would caning be allowed to be used as a last resort as some students just aren't willing to learn and like bullying others and bring others down with them? I am not a violent person, but if I witnessed bullying and saw someone suffering in their school work. If the bully ended up being caned and it stopped and the victim started to achieve things in school. I would be happy and wouldn't care how things turned out for the better. | |||
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"If I were a parent and found some stranger had been caning my child, I'd be straight down the school looking to shove that cane up the teachers arse, but at the same time realise that their are some students who simply refuse to be taught, and worse, drag others down with them, so what I'd suggest is that such childrens parents should be made aware that if THEY don't take steps to discipline their child, then the school will do it for them - canings would thusly only be given out as a last resort. some of the worse behaved boys at my school were periodically beaten by their parents for any slight misdemeanor. They become immune to it. One girl's mum would pour hot wax on her arm as punishment for not cleaning the house properly. Beating anyone for a punishment isn't productive. If it was they would do it in prison or as an alternative to prison. You can't beat an education into a child I have mixed feelings towards this as sometimes you find the quiet ones have been beaten. So it works, but sometimes it goes too far and the wrong people get caned. I don't believe in it when t comes to a child's academic or fitness performances as everyone is different and not everyone is blessed with brains/fitness and it isn't their fault. However if bullying was getting out of hand and everything was done to solve it barring caning. Would caning be allowed to be used as a last resort as some students just aren't willing to learn and like bullying others and bring others down with them? I am not a violent person, but if I witnessed bullying and saw someone suffering in their school work. If the bully ended up being caned and it stopped and the victim started to achieve things in school. I would be happy and wouldn't care how things turned out for the better." If bullying gets out of hand the students are excluded,some permanently | |||
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"If I were a parent and found some stranger had been caning my child, I'd be straight down the school looking to shove that cane up the teachers arse, but at the same time realise that their are some students who simply refuse to be taught, and worse, drag others down with them, so what I'd suggest is that such childrens parents should be made aware that if THEY don't take steps to discipline their child, then the school will do it for them - canings would thusly only be given out as a last resort. some of the worse behaved boys at my school were periodically beaten by their parents for any slight misdemeanor. They become immune to it. One girl's mum would pour hot wax on her arm as punishment for not cleaning the house properly. Beating anyone for a punishment isn't productive. If it was they would do it in prison or as an alternative to prison. You can't beat an education into a child I have mixed feelings towards this as sometimes you find the quiet ones have been beaten. So it works, but sometimes it goes too far and the wrong people get caned. I don't believe in it when t comes to a child's academic or fitness performances as everyone is different and not everyone is blessed with brains/fitness and it isn't their fault. However if bullying was getting out of hand and everything was done to solve it barring caning. Would caning be allowed to be used as a last resort as some students just aren't willing to learn and like bullying others and bring others down with them? I am not a violent person, but if I witnessed bullying and saw someone suffering in their school work. If the bully ended up being caned and it stopped and the victim started to achieve things in school. I would be happy and wouldn't care how things turned out for the better." Yes I Witnessed bullying at school because i was a victim of it the bullies that did it got away with it you could say they got under the radar and were not detected till a good friend of mine told my parents and exposed them for what they were I knew what they were but was frightened of any retaliation from them and endured their cruelty for to long as a youngster and never to forgive or forget what they did when i see school girls hanging themselves through bullying it brings it back to me those times I was. | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. Yes of course, because teaching children violence solves problems is always a good idea. Corporal punishment did not teach me violence it taught me about consequence of my actions, if i was caught doing wrong it hurt Gimp" I agree with this and for those who say obviously the people who agree with it haven't got children. In other words they wouldn't want a strange to came them. How would they feel if the parents had to do it instead? One thing is for sure. Discipline doesn't exist in schools anymore and it clearly shows. | |||
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"parents responsibilty in my opinion on punishment of any physical nature! and brings me back to a day i remember a pal getting taken out of class by a teacher who preceeded to beat him with a shoe....gladly the pals mother a kickboxing champ(and probably some other nice glasgow connections) sorted out the whole mess afterwards... Half the parents probably couldnt give a shit and are just as bad as the kids.." | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. Yes of course, because teaching children violence solves problems is always a good idea. Corporal punishment did not teach me violence it taught me about consequence of my actions, if i was caught doing wrong it hurt Gimp I agree with this and for those who say obviously the people who agree with it haven't got children. In other words they wouldn't want a strange to came them. How would they feel if the parents had to do it instead? One thing is for sure. Discipline doesn't exist in schools anymore and it clearly shows. " Of course there is discipline in schools! ! What on earth do you think is happening? They're running riot through the corridors? | |||
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"I don't hit my kids and I'm not going to stand for anyone else hitting them. Kids don't need to be hit as there are ways to punish without violence. Stop them from going to a party. Take their favourite toy away. Take their phone away. Depends in age but hitting is not necessary. So what if your child screams at you because they don't get their way, just suck it up and give them no attention. " Yep! They are fast learners and soon realise it's not worth wasting their time | |||
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"lol just laughing at the " not for smoking as I did that " lol I used to skive, so I don't want i brought back for that. Oh, and fingering Katrina B in science class, that should be allowed too. Matthew Black stole my sweets though. I want that fucker thrashed to within an inch of his life." | |||
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"i dont think they should because that is very painful, maybe spank their bottoms with their hand, i think teachers should be a lot more srticter than they are." If teachers are not allowed to give affection(in the physical sense), why on earth should they be allowed to give a physical punishment. ask yorself some simple questions. can a male teacher spank a girls bottom?...will it be IN the classroom, or in private?(thats an example...but then it could be a gay male/female teacher..) If anyone thinks there wouldnt be outcries in the press and across social services, social media etc, I think you are absolutely deluded etc etc... I bloody wish people would think things through before thinking that we have been protecting our children from abuse, even from authorities...its got nothing to do with giving discipline. Only just yesterday in canada , a FEMALE teacher was caught ON tape..throwing 9 year old up against a wall and picking them up by the face.. I rest my fucking case | |||
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"I don't hit my kids and I'm not going to stand for anyone else hitting them. Kids don't need to be hit as there are ways to punish without violence. Stop them from going to a party. Take their favourite toy away. Take their phone away. Depends in age but hitting is not necessary. So what if your child screams at you because they don't get their way, just suck it up and give them no attention. Yep! They are fast learners and soon realise it's not worth wasting their time " My youngest is 8 and she has anger issues. I bought her a pink heart shaped rock with peace written on it. When she is angry and shouting I just give it to her and she knows I won't listen until she has calmed down. Works a treat for her. Hitting her I'm sure would just make her hit me back | |||
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"I don't hit my kids and I'm not going to stand for anyone else hitting them. Kids don't need to be hit as there are ways to punish without violence. Stop them from going to a party. Take their favourite toy away. Take their phone away. Depends in age but hitting is not necessary. So what if your child screams at you because they don't get their way, just suck it up and give them no attention. Yep! They are fast learners and soon realise it's not worth wasting their time My youngest is 8 and she has anger issues. I bought her a pink heart shaped rock with peace written on it. When she is angry and shouting I just give it to her and she knows I won't listen until she has calmed down. Works a treat for her. Hitting her I'm sure would just make her hit me back" Well being a parent and being able to get into her head like you do Is a marvelous thing and I,m sure when A bit older she,ll show her gratitude to you In a form of Respect If all parents could show some Way similar to the way you help your little girl with there kids teenagers even who perhaps have anger issues or less of a type of issue ones they have more control themselves over, when I say All parents I mean to say there will Always be a majority who manage their Children well to have a more stable future similar to yourself, but its Those Whose parents who fail to Indoctrine There siblings for what ever reason are The one,s who make the headline news News you never want to read about but Even some if not the majority will know That they have missed out on life at a later date getting the message home Early is what counts, but there will Always be Individuals in life and no Matter what background they come from will be bad individuals and those kind Probabily the most unpleasant and undesirable and yes dangerous too you would ever want to meet perhaps a good boy all his life at school or most of it To turn into a natural villain when leaveing school luckily perhaps 95% or more of youngsters don,t turn out like That so if all parents could only Instill some respect into their kids it would go a long way in their lives to Makeing them better people I only wish..... | |||
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"You can't beat an education into a child Really? Where do you get that idea from? Before you answer have a little think about this... Public schools are exempted from the corporal punishment ban in state schools and use corporal punishment when students fail to reach the required academic standards. Public schools get round 40% of Oxbridge places while less than 10% of children have a private education. (Remember that all candidates have to get the required entry qualifications). I'd love to learn more about this. Please can you list some of the schools still using corporal punishment and how they use it? And also the threshold required to avoid punishment?" public schools don't have the same criteria for accepting students. Without caning these students would do well anyway. It's not punishment for them it's a whip on the behind to keep them up to standards. Schools are for education and some students don't learn just because you hit them | |||
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"You can't beat an education into a child Really? Where do you get that idea from? Before you answer have a little think about this... Public schools are exempted from the corporal punishment ban in state schools and use corporal punishment when students fail to reach the required academic standards. Public schools get round 40% of Oxbridge places while less than 10% of children have a private education. (Remember that all candidates have to get the required entry qualifications). I'd love to learn more about this. Please can you list some of the schools still using corporal punishment and how they use it? And also the threshold required to avoid punishment? public schools don't have the same criteria for accepting students. Without caning these students would do well anyway. It's not punishment for them it's a whip on the behind to keep them up to standards. Schools are for education and some students don't learn just because you hit them " I'd still like to know details.. | |||
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"I'm all for it always have been even when I was at school Just read this and was absolutely amazed ta read that the teaching union actually states that behaviour in the class room has IMPROVED since the ban what planet do these people live on? Wood fa the trees comes to mind xx " Great!! more importantly what planet are you on? The recent news that a teacher was stabbed to death by a piece of shite passed you by completely? Before the abolition of any deterrent to the scum who infest our world who ever heard of a teacher being stabbed to death? Nobody !! That's who!! I do not believe a single word of what you say which flies in the face of common experience. Save it for the planet you come from It doesn't wash here. | |||
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"I'm all for it always have been even when I was at school Just read this and was absolutely amazed ta read that the teaching union actually states that behaviour in the class room has IMPROVED since the ban what planet do these people live on? Wood fa the trees comes to mind xx Great!! more importantly what planet are you on? The recent news that a teacher was stabbed to death by a piece of shite passed you by completely? Before the abolition of any deterrent to the scum who infest our world who ever heard of a teacher being stabbed to death? Nobody !! That's who!! I do not believe a single word of what you say which flies in the face of common experience. Save it for the planet you come from It doesn't wash here. " bringing back caning in schools would have stopped her murder? what bloody universe are U in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reports are: bright pupil,loner,suicidal ideation = possibly some sort of psychological problem.... even the police do not use deliberate acts of violence to 'teach' people a lesson..they control a situation or person by using reasonable force...I find it laughable a teacher having more authority than a policeman and dishing out 'justice' to an underage young person................... | |||
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"I don't have any evidence that public schools do or don't use corporal punishment but I do know that the teaching standards are much higher than your average comprehensive. The teachers also earn a damn site more money than their counter parts, which means the school can pick the very best. To say that those children face physical punishment for not achieving grades.... Don't buy that at all. " I went to Rockwell College (Ireland). They used corporal punishment, and I spent most of my Saturday afternoons lined up outside soapies (the Dean of Studies) office with other boys who had collected 3 black makes from teachers for academic failure the previous week. There were usually somewhere between 20 and 30 boys waiting for punishment which came in 2 parts, the strap (which was about a half inch thick an inch wide and 18 inches long) starting with 2 slaps on each hand and increasing at a rate of 2 slaps on each hand with each visit till it reached 6 on each hand after which 6 on the backside was added to the punishment, after which we would be placed on detention and miss the weekly film and have to write out multiple lines (which were not line but poems, I can still recite quite a few of them). Of course after that failure to reach the required standard became a discipline mater which meant that after being punished by soapy I got to join the queue outside the Dean of Discipline's office for round 2 of the Saturday afternoon beatings! (That only happened to me twice!) So to be honest I don't care if you buy it or not, because I experienced it from the age of 10 to 14! | |||
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"It wasn't what the school could do which worried me... if they caught me doing something and I got a ruler around the legs, I pretty much still felt I had got away with it. I was more worried about them telling my dad True but a lot of parents are too young or do not care enough to be strict. Someone I know his kids run rings round him. He will give the usual threats you hear "will take ya phone off ya" and things like that but even then they do not follow a threat through. Have seen kids in shops swearing at parents, some can not even wait to get to the till and are eating round the shop. Parents know if they do not give in to them tantrum in shop. Kids know tantrum equals a win. All about who is stronger.... If the kid knows they sing gonna win they will not try. I never got the cane at school. Was not a kiss ass but wanted to learn and get a good education. " | |||
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"So to be honest I don't care if you buy it or not, because I experienced it from the age of 10 to 14! We're not in Ireland, or the 20th century. The problem I have with your claims that it's still in use in the UK is this: "Physical punishment is prohibited in all maintained and full-time independent schools, in children’s homes, in local authority foster homes and Early Years provision." Department for Education As for your claims as to the benefits of corporal punishment I'm sure I remember previous comments by you claiming to have assaulted somebody on your own doorstep. I'd choose not to have that kind of approach instilled in children. " You are right, and I understand you believe I have an awful and benighted attitude to the use of violence. You are in the majority and like the majority you believe your opinion is more important than empirical evidence. The numbers over years show that the removal of corporal and capital punishment from the law has lead to an explosion is violent crime. It is also painfully obvious that the same trends can be seen in our schools. But why worry about facts when it comes to not allowing a teacher to discipline our little Jonny, that is right up to the moment when little Jonny has a temper tantrum and another child ends up in hospital or little Jonny is the child attacked, then its the teachers fault. | |||
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"So to be honest I don't care if you buy it or not, because I experienced it from the age of 10 to 14! We're not in Ireland, or the 20th century. The problem I have with your claims that it's still in use in the UK is this: "Physical punishment is prohibited in all maintained and full-time independent schools, in children’s homes, in local authority foster homes and Early Years provision." Department for Education As for your claims as to the benefits of corporal punishment I'm sure I remember previous comments by you claiming to have assaulted somebody on your own doorstep. I'd choose not to have that kind of approach instilled in children. You are right, and I understand you believe I have an awful and benighted attitude to the use of violence. You are in the majority and like the majority you believe your opinion is more important than empirical evidence. The numbers over years show that the removal of corporal and capital punishment from the law has lead to an explosion is violent crime. It is also painfully obvious that the same trends can be seen in our schools. But why worry about facts when it comes to not allowing a teacher to discipline our little Jonny, that is right up to the moment when little Jonny has a temper tantrum and another child ends up in hospital or little Jonny is the child attacked, then its the teachers fault. " There is no evidence for the trend of violence 'exploding' in schools. When was the last time you actually spent an entire day in a school? | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault. So use violence against children in order to show them that they shouldnt use violence? Hm I had the cane once for standing up to a bully. Just shortly after we actually got a lecture in class about standing up to bullies after the said bully beat up a girl so badly she had a week off school. Also, when in junior school I was actually grabbed around the throat by a teacher because I was the nearest and the class were not being quiet. Later on, different school, I had a bully of a teacher who would throw a wooden board wiper at students, missed them behind me but hit me in the head. He also called me names, as I was new and he didnt like my london accent, taking the mickey out of my surname. When I was ill he wouldnt let me go home until the Head interveened. Nasty little man who is not alone in the bullying of pupils. No, I would never agree to it. I dont trust teachers to make that judgement call and never would. I have worked with some great teachers, none of whom have found violence necessary to get respect even from the most difficult of students. Oh yes, here we go with the tales of how one Super teacher could control a class of mindless morons with just one severe look. We've heard it all but it does not cut the ice! The fact is that there are an endless supply of little shits who teachers are expected to deal with. Perhaps they need to be sent to 'special' schools with teachers who have the skills and patience of saints to deal with them. I once thought of becoming a teacher but wisely changed my mind knowing that if confronted with one of these little shits I would simply punch them in the face and have to deal with the parents, who, no doubt would come storming into the school seeking retribution against the 'monster' who had traumatised their little angel. Who never had done anything wrong in his or her life. It's little wonder that standards of education have fallen in this country. Teachers have no authority in the classroom and thereby no ability to control the little thugs who seek to disrupt the teaching for everybody else. To avoid looking foolish it's best not to write about things of which you know nothing." Ok, I get it that is why you have nothing to say! | |||
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"Unbelievable. The good old days eh. 'Oooh I had the cane never did me any harm, taught me respect'. Now ask yourself the question. How would you feel knowing a fully grown adult was subjecting your child to such punishment. " we never got the cane at school but understood that whilst at school the teachers were to be respected as we would respect our parents - and vice versa they were to care protect and punish us as our parent would - the worst we got was a ruler slapped on the desk - woke us up if nothing else - one teacher used to hurl the blackboard duster across the room | |||
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"To avoid looking foolish it's best not to write about things of which you know nothing. Ok, I get it that is why you have nothing to say!" Whatever you did with your time at school it apparently wasn't reading. Attitudes like yours are born only of ignorance and laziness. Gaining respect from children requires patience, consistency, imagination, persistence and effort. Intelligence helps too. Too many hope that replacing those things with fear, shouting and violence will work, despite that every time we see them in action we all know it doesn't. | |||
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"No easy answer to the question all I know is that kids are different respect is lost. Discipline never did me any harm. Learnt my lesson first time around never went there again. " There are lots if ways to discipline a child. You don't have to beat them. | |||
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"No easy answer to the question all I know is that kids are different respect is lost. Discipline never did me any harm. Learnt my lesson first time around never went there again. There are lots if ways to discipline a child. You don't have to beat them. " Can't recall saying I was beaten | |||
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"No easy answer to the question all I know is that kids are different respect is lost. Discipline never did me any harm. Learnt my lesson first time around never went there again. There are lots if ways to discipline a child. You don't have to beat them. Can't recall saying I was beaten " Can't recall saying you were beaten. | |||
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"Agreed...I do feel however that the needs of the tiny minority of children with behavioural/attitudinal issues aren't well catered for by scholastic institutions....and this can have a detrimental effect on the majority... There's more to naughty children then a lack of respect...that's just a symptom I suspect. " What would you consider 'well catered for'? | |||
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"There's more to naughty children then a lack of respect...that's just a symptom I suspect. " This is not a popular view and not in the least PC... BUT people are different, the old secondary modern / grammar school system used to stream people into academic or manual skills training which was bad in that they decided your life path at 11, but good because some people are better at laying bricks than reading classics, others are pure academic whilst most of us of course float about somewhere in the middle. I wasn't old enough to see it, but my school was a combined school with one building being the old grammar and the other the secondary modern. the brick archways and walls around the wonderful but unkempt gardens and veg plots in the old secondary modern school was all the work of former pupils. And while it was not allowed for the teachers to miss the old systems, there were some in my classes that would have been much happier out learning to build walls, make or grow things, instead of disrupting or slowing down the academic lessons they just were not good at. I don't know how, but there needs to be a way of teaching children to their strengths, which will make them happy to learn instead of having the top and bottom 10% frustrated, angry, and disruptive affecting the remaining 80% beating them with sticks is not the answer | |||
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"I think they should bring back caning in schools. Not for things like smoking cos i used to do that, but things like verbal abuse and assault." What crap. One school I went to would cane,slipper,ruler anyone for anything. It was no deterrent to me. It didn't make me work harder, I didn't learn more, get higher marks in any test, in any subject. It didn't stop me talking to a mate. It didn't stop me taking a short cut in cross country. It didn't stop me climbing over a fence to collect conkers. It didn't stop me sneaking out of school and going to a shop. It didn't stop me having any of those scraps that lads have. It didn't stop me skipping last lesson, or catching the early train home. It didn't improve my behaviour, nor stop me being cheeky, swearing, or disrespectful. Given a choice, detention or cane, I was one of the elite for choosing the cane. The others were soft, wimps Choosing the cane was defience. That was their ultimate deterrent, and it didn't work. | |||
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"Violence is never the answer. Ok, What is the answer then? You've been on the planet long enough, take your blinkers off" Ok, so you don't have a clue, then why not say that instead of trying to act smart? | |||
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"Violence is never the answer. Ok, What is the answer then? You've been on the planet long enough, take your blinkers off Ok, so you don't have a clue, then why not say that instead of trying to act smart? " The answer is to only possible if you take the time to find out the question. That is what streaming individuals through a common process fails to do. | |||
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"If a teacher had hit me with a cane back in school I would have hit them back and I know plenty of people in my school who would've done the same. Not a good idea" Not so easy when you are 7 or 8 | |||
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"I'm all for it always have been even when I was at school Just read this and was absolutely amazed ta read that the teaching union actually states that behaviour in the class room has IMPROVED since the ban what planet do these people live on? Wood fa the trees comes to mind xx Great!! more importantly what planet are you on? The recent news that a teacher was stabbed to death by a piece of shite passed you by completely? Before the abolition of any deterrent to the scum who infest our world who ever heard of a teacher being stabbed to death? Nobody !! That's who!! I do not believe a single word of what you say which flies in the face of common experience. Save it for the planet you come from It doesn't wash here. bringing back caning in schools would have stopped her murder? what bloody universe are U in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reports are: bright pupil,loner,suicidal ideation = possibly some sort of psychological problem.... even the police do not use deliberate acts of violence to 'teach' people a lesson..they control a situation or person by using reasonable force...I find it laughable a teacher having more authority than a policeman and dishing out 'justice' to an underage young person..................." It's hard to believe that some of the posts like the afore mentioned do come from people being allowed out in public on there own. Nobody is saying that if caning was allowed in schools then that teacher would not have been stabbed! Do try and exercise that thing between your ears, it's called a brain and it's there for a purpose. I.E. to give human beings reasoning power. If not exercised then the reasoning power will not develop! Not caning in schools is part of an acceptance of bad behaviour all round in society. It starts in the home and spreads out from there to infect society at large. The electronic media is widely used to spread the message that bad behaviour is not you fault. You have been let down by society and society must pay! What ever you do wrong is not your fault, You can't help it, you are 'vulnerable' and need help. and Blah ,Blah, Blah, so on it goes. Discipline has to be learned, not by its application but by the threat of its application making the possible recipient think twice about his behaviour. With no fear of retribution where would society end up. We are all born with the desire to do anything we want to do. If that is only to be a decent person then well and good. But if that is to be a violent shit, then not so good. We have never been so well off in the history of human kind yet our prisons are full to over flowing. If the present attitude of tolerance to criminality was really working surely the opposite would be the case? You only need to look at the case of Venables and Thompson two pieces of pure shit who truly needed to be disposed of. Were they? Of course not! Millions were spent on protecting them from the punishment they so richly deserved. We do not live in a vacuum. Other pieces of shite read about them and take note. They can kill and not be held liable for their actions! It was not their fault their parents and wider society let them down, so, naturally that made them kill a little infant in the cruellest manner they could devize at the time. Poor little souls they must be helped. Fuck the grieving parents! Who cares about them? These two little chaps need our help, that's all that matters and anyone who thinks they want to do the same or similar, carry on! WE are here to help! | |||
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