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"So "Timothy Boatright" is a "masculine-of-center genderqueer” biological woman who goes to an all girls university in america, Wellesley College. Timothy applied stating they were a girl, isn't trying to transition to a man but asked everyone to call them Timothy. Timothy then decided to run for election to a seat in student union. Initially Timothy's chances seemed slim but actually all the other candidates dropped out. At that point a campaign started to prevent Timothy winning because that would mean a "white man" would have gained a position of authority in the college, thus having become part of the patriarchy, in an organsiation set up to empower women. In a fecking University. True story. " If the aim of the university is to empower women then it has certainly succeeded with Timothy. Timothy could be seen as a shining example to others that a person can be who, or what, they need, or want, to be. But,do they explain why skin color should be a factor in any of this? | |||
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"So "Timothy Boatright" is a "masculine-of-center genderqueer” biological woman who goes to an all girls university in america, Wellesley College. Timothy applied stating they were a girl, isn't trying to transition to a man but asked everyone to call them Timothy. Timothy then decided to run for election to a seat in student union. Initially Timothy's chances seemed slim but actually all the other candidates dropped out. At that point a campaign started to prevent Timothy winning because that would mean a "white man" would have gained a position of authority in the college, thus having become part of the patriarchy, in an organsiation set up to empower women. In a fecking University. True story. If the aim of the university is to empower women then it has certainly succeeded with Timothy. Timothy could be seen as a shining example to others that a person can be who, or what, they need, or want, to be. But,do they explain why skin color should be a factor in any of this?" You say that but the fellow students are literally campaigning to stop Timothy being what Timothy wants to be. It's interesting that Timothy didn't want to be Timothy when Timothy filled out the apllication form. The race issue is that the other 3 people initially in the running were all black. It's not clear why they dropped out. | |||
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"So "Timothy Boatright" is a "masculine-of-center genderqueer” biological woman who goes to an all girls university in america, Wellesley College. Timothy applied stating they were a girl, isn't trying to transition to a man but asked everyone to call them Timothy. Timothy then decided to run for election to a seat in student union. Initially Timothy's chances seemed slim but actually all the other candidates dropped out. At that point a campaign started to prevent Timothy winning because that would mean a "white man" would have gained a position of authority in the college, thus having become part of the patriarchy, in an organsiation set up to empower women. In a fecking University. True story. " A fine example of how identity political especially feminism has fallen on its own sword (I support trans rights but I don't support nonsense). Hopefully we can lower the infection rate from the USA to Europe before we start to harikari in our stupidity. I fear for the future if this is what they now teach supposedly smart people at universities. | |||
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"So "Timothy Boatright" is a "masculine-of-center genderqueer” biological woman who goes to an all girls university in america, Wellesley College. Timothy applied stating they were a girl, isn't trying to transition to a man but asked everyone to call them Timothy. Timothy then decided to run for election to a seat in student union. Initially Timothy's chances seemed slim but actually all the other candidates dropped out. At that point a campaign started to prevent Timothy winning because that would mean a "white man" would have gained a position of authority in the college, thus having become part of the patriarchy, in an organsiation set up to empower women. In a fecking University. True story. If the aim of the university is to empower women then it has certainly succeeded with Timothy. Timothy could be seen as a shining example to others that a person can be who, or what, they need, or want, to be. But,do they explain why skin color should be a factor in any of this? You say that but the fellow students are literally campaigning to stop Timothy being what Timothy wants to be. It's interesting that Timothy didn't want to be Timothy when Timothy filled out the apllication form. The race issue is that the other 3 people initially in the running were all black. It's not clear why they dropped out. " Then Timothy is helping to lead the way. These poor women have been so long under the oppressive heel of patriarchal society that,even in the safety of an all female university, they dare not challenge those norms and when a messiah comes to show them the true path,they reject it. It's definitely a shame,in my opinion,that skin color should have been brought into it at all,what a wonderful world it might be if we all just didn't even notice that most superficial of differences. | |||
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"So "Timothy Boatright" is a "masculine-of-center genderqueer” biological woman who goes to an all girls university in america, Wellesley College. Timothy applied stating they were a girl, isn't trying to transition to a man but asked everyone to call them Timothy. Timothy then decided to run for election to a seat in student union. Initially Timothy's chances seemed slim but actually all the other candidates dropped out. At that point a campaign started to prevent Timothy winning because that would mean a "white man" would have gained a position of authority in the college, thus having become part of the patriarchy, in an organsiation set up to empower women. In a fecking University. True story. A fine example of how identity political especially feminism has fallen on its own sword (I support trans rights but I don't support nonsense). Hopefully we can lower the infection rate from the USA to Europe before we start to harikari in our stupidity. I fear for the future if this is what they now teach supposedly smart people at universities. " Yes it's scary. The outbreak of mass stupidity has already hit canada. I just love the integrity of timothy to identify as whichever gender has the best benefits at that point in time. | |||
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"Plenty of batshit crap happening in universities in Ireland and the UK too. It's becoming a global disease. Thanks Internet " Its marxism by the backdoor is what it is | |||
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"I just think it's retardism - the kind of disease society gets at the end of a upward cycle of peace and prosperity when people have nothing better to concern themselves with. I was just reading about a uni in Liverpool where straight white men where banned from attending a talk on equality. "Winter is coming | |||
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"I just think it's retardism - the kind of disease society gets at the end of a upward cycle of peace and prosperity when people have nothing better to concern themselves with. I was just reading about a uni in Liverpool where straight white men where banned from attending a talk on equality. "The banning people from privileged groups is also marxism 101. The idea of collective guilt reeks through. | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. " especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley | |||
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"Did you have a point? Or were you just repeating a news story?" Why don't you give us your opinion on the story, do you think this is a nice progressive attitude that we should look forward to on our shores? | |||
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" (I support trans rights but I don't support nonsense). " . This HAS to be my new favourite saying  | |||
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"Did you have a point? Or were you just repeating a news story? Why don't you give us your opinion on the story, do you think this is a nice progressive attitude that we should look forward to on our shores?" Well universities have traditionally been quite liberal and libertarian. My experience of university was that it was largely a little more liberal than I sit on the spectrum. So I'm not really surprised that people would feel that they could express their gender openly. I changed my name half way through university by deed poll to a 'boys' name and it wasn't a problem. My tutors, classmates, and the administration dealt with it just fine. In addition I was openly gender fluid and more masculine than centre with my presentation. Again, no problem. I find all of these expressions of self absolutely fine within our educational institutions and I'm pleased that people no longer feel like they have to be in the closet. | |||
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" He was born a female and is transitioning and wants to be identified as a male. At the college he wants people to refer to him in as a man. " No, the person is masculine of centre genderqueer. That doesn't mean they're transitioning and it almost certainly means they will legally stay a woman since there is no government option for 'none of the above' on legal documents. | |||
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" (I support trans rights but I don't support nonsense). . This HAS to be my new favourite saying "I want to support trans rights, the real ones anyway, not the people, but you need to be an anti-capitalist, pro-life, vegan to get through the door. | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley " Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it. | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it." I like you  | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it." Post modernists believe that all categories in language are intended to project power by one group onto another. So by rejecting the existing categories and asserting their own, it's the first step of many towards their remodelling of society. | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it. Post modernists believe that all categories in language are intended to project power by one group onto another. So by rejecting the existing categories and asserting their own, it's the first step of many towards their remodelling of society. " I absolutely can't stand post modernists - and you know that!
I read an article, can't remember where at the moment so apologies for the lack of citation, that argued that French post modernism was the foundational downfall of facts in the modern era. I'm inclined to agree.  | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it. Post modernists believe that all categories in language are intended to project power by one group onto another. So by rejecting the existing categories and asserting their own, it's the first step of many towards their remodelling of society. I absolutely can't stand post modernists - and you know that!
I read an article, can't remember where at the moment so apologies for the lack of citation, that argued that French post modernism was the foundational downfall of facts in the modern era. I'm inclined to agree. "Yes, this is all just a new wave of Marxism. Since class wars failed then it's identity politics now. France is the most left wing country in europe and so those ideas find solace there. You comment that the arguements are petty is true, it's not really the pronouns themselves that make me shit myself, it's the agenda thats coming with it. | |||
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"it's not really the pronouns themselves that make me shit myself" Yeah, it's really awful calling people by their name. | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it. Post modernists believe that all categories in language are intended to project power by one group onto another. So by rejecting the existing categories and asserting their own, it's the first step of many towards their remodelling of society. I absolutely can't stand post modernists - and you know that!
I read an article, can't remember where at the moment so apologies for the lack of citation, that argued that French post modernism was the foundational downfall of facts in the modern era. I'm inclined to agree.
Yes, this is all just a new wave of Marxism. Since class wars failed then it's identity politics now. France is the most left wing country in europe and so those ideas find solace there.
You comment that the arguements are petty is true, it's not really the pronouns themselves that make me shit myself, it's the agenda thats coming with it. "I can't agree with you equating modern identity politics to economic politics (note: I say economic politics, not Marxism). I think there's power in economic divisions just as I think identity politics serves more to divide than increase power. But again, I digress - that's perhaps an argument for a different time. And I certainly won't begin such a discussion by defending Marxism  | |||
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"it's not really the pronouns themselves that make me shit myself Yeah, it's really awful calling people by their name." Thanks for illustrating the kind of intellectual dishonesty i was referring to. You've made my point for me. | |||
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"I don't really expect women who decided to go to an all women's college to be very understanding when it comes to gender - especially when the dispute gender leans toward masculinity The situation on a lot of college and university campuses in the U.S. is pretty grim when it comes to all this stuff. especially all the stuff that's happened at Berkeley Nah. I actually feel like what is happening at Berkeley could be argued both ways - but that's also a freedom of speech issue, so not quite what I meant and not quite as relevant to this thread. I was referring more to gender issues, "political correctness" when it comes to syllabi, that sort of thing. I think a lot of it comes down to arguing about nothing and the trendiness of the protest in itself, rather than arguing for something substantive. And I mean that on both sides of this issue, and other issues like it. Post modernists believe that all categories in language are intended to project power by one group onto another. So by rejecting the existing categories and asserting their own, it's the first step of many towards their remodelling of society. I absolutely can't stand post modernists - and you know that!
I read an article, can't remember where at the moment so apologies for the lack of citation, that argued that French post modernism was the foundational downfall of facts in the modern era. I'm inclined to agree.
Yes, this is all just a new wave of Marxism. Since class wars failed then it's identity politics now. France is the most left wing country in europe and so those ideas find solace there.
You comment that the arguements are petty is true, it's not really the pronouns themselves that make me shit myself, it's the agenda thats coming with it.
I can't agree with you equating modern identity politics to economic politics (note: I say economic politics, not Marxism). I think there's power in economic divisions just as I think identity politics serves more to divide than increase power. But again, I digress - that's perhaps an argument for a different time. And I certainly won't begin such a discussion by defending Marxism "Do you not think that the group's protesting this kind of thing seem to converge on many completed unrelated issues? | |||
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