FabSwingers.com forum: Use your handbrake!!

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It seems people are too lazy to use the handbrake when at a stand still in traffic, do they not realize they're blinding the driver behind by staying on the brake??

Sorry it's not Thursday but it annoys me so much especially in the dark.

Anyone else hate this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I tend to use my handbrake most of the time.

I’ve got a really low heavy clutch that isn’t particularly comfortable to use so having it pressed to the floor gets uncomfortable very quickly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Effing hate that with a passion but I've started responding....I put my headlights in full beam and wait until they stop, not failed yet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Another reason to use the handbrake, rest your leg!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Effing hate that with a passion but I've started responding....I put my headlights in full beam and wait until they stop, not failed yet.

I'm really tempted to do that but being stuck in traffic I don't want a confrontation.

But when people drive behind with their high beam on I do flash my rear fog lights to try and let them know they're blinding me. That usually works. It's hard enough driving at night without being blinded by inconsiderate people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My pet hate. Brake lights are like lazer beams that burn the retina these days. No excuse for not using a parking brake if stopped for a length of time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't bother me so much but what does bother me is when ppl que across the mini round a bout in a morning at the top of my street. Oooo the air in my car is blue!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Effing hate that with a passion but I've started responding....I put my headlights in full beam and wait until they stop, not failed yet.

I'm really tempted to do that but being stuck in traffic I don't want a confrontation.

As soon as they take their foot off the brake, I dip beam again, not had a confrontation yet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My pet hate. Brake lights are like lazer beams that burn the retina these days. No excuse for not using a parking brake if stopped for a length of time. "

True! I know red light doesn't destroy your night vision like white light does but I just find it so inconsiderate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As soon as they take their foot off the brake, I dip beam again, not had a confrontation yet.

That's good. If I feel brave I might try it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

Spanks for you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

You bad girl, doesn't it annoy you when you get blinded though?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

These new fangled LED lights are super bright too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was taught for than 4 seconds on brake, then yes handbrake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also annoying when sat at traffic lights and they have their indicators on.

Flash

Just put them on when it goes amber.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

Spanks for you.

From Mr N or Mrs N? And you both know how I love my spanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

You bad girl, doesn't it annoy you when you get blinded though? "

Totally I’m blind as a bat when driving at night

. I’ll be mindful in future sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

Spanks for you.

From Mr N or Mrs N? And you both know how I love my spanks

From both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was taught for than 4 seconds on brake, then yes handbrake"

Does this apply to going round corners too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

Spanks for you.

From Mr N or Mrs N? And you both know how I love my spanks

From both

Result

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Also annoying when sat at traffic lights and they have their indicators on.

Flash

Just put them on when it goes amber.

I see your point there, however... If it's a 2 Lane road and the right lane is straight or right and you only indicated before setting off and I'm now stuck waiting behind you when I could have gone in the other lane I'd be miffed. Basically everyone needs to get off the road when I'm on it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sorry.... I must admit I never use my handbreak.

You bad girl, doesn't it annoy you when you get blinded though?

Totally I’m blind as a bat when driving at night

. I’ll be mindful in future sorry

Bless you, you are forgiven. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was taught for than 4 seconds on brake, then yes handbrake

Does this apply to going round corners too?

Haha Christ I.hope not.

At a standstill obviously!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These new fangled LED lights are super bright too.

Yes!!!!

This is my biggest issue on the roads, they’re not too bad if you’re higher up in a Range Rover, Nissan Juke etc but sat lower than normal they really are blinding

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"These new fangled LED lights are super bright too.

Yes!!!!

This is my biggest issue on the roads, they’re not too bad if you’re higher up in a Range Rover, Nissan Juke etc but sat lower than normal they really are blinding

Not one bulb, but about 240 mini red laser beams burning your retinas!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also annoying when sat at traffic lights and they have their indicators on.

Flash

Just put them on when it goes amber.

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Ah I'm just thinking of a single lane road so everyone is stuck in the same lane waiting for the lights to change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These new fangled LED lights are super bright too.

Yes!!!!

This is my biggest issue on the roads, they’re not too bad if you’re higher up in a Range Rover, Nissan Juke etc but sat lower than normal they really are blinding

Not one bulb, but about 240 mini red laser beams burning your retinas!

I read it as HID lights

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Also annoying when sat at traffic lights and they have their indicators on.

Flash

Just put them on when it goes amber.

Ah I'm just thinking of a single lane road so everyone is stuck in the same lane waiting for the lights to change. "

I'll let you off then, I shall try to remember this in future.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

"Another reason to use the handbrake, rest your leg!

And also to ease the pressure on your clutch cable

It's also part of the driving test, if you're bumped from the rear you won't stall and kangaroo into anyone who might be in front

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lol could you imagine us lot in the same queue of traffic?!

There'd be flashing of all sorts going on.. Steady on..I mean lights!!

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

Only lights that bother me are full beams, because the driver coming towards me can't be bothered to turn them off!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Only lights that bother me are full beams, because the driver coming towards me can't be bothered to turn them off!

I hear ya.. It's like they can't tell someone is about to appear round the bend, sure sometimes we all miss the signs but when it's a few seconds after appearing I do get a case of tourettes! You end up staring at the lights wondering if they've dipped! Grr.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

It wont bother most people, its how sensitive you are to light.

Youll have to get used to it, because new cars reward you for using the brake instead of hand brake.

They have hill assist, so it makes their life about 1000 times easier to just use the brake all the time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It wont bother most people, its how sensitive you are to light.

Youll have to get used to it, because new cars reward you for using the brake instead of hand brake.

They have hill assist, so it makes their life about 1000 times easier to just use the brake all the time."

I must be sensitive then.

Hill assist? Is that like an auto handbrake that lasts a few seconds when you brake on a hill? If so my work van has this, all you need to do is touch the brakes while you remove the handbrake and it comes on, then you can do your assisted hill start, though why you need to sit on the brake on the flat is beyond me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can’t say it bothers me. I’ll be the first to admit I only use the hand brake on a hill. On flat land I’ll sit on the brake pedal

And if the person in front of me does the same, that’s fine with me.

One thing I can’t stand is people riding the clutch on a hill

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"I must be sensitive then.

Stop foot on brake, foot off clutch, stop start turns the engine off.

Clutch in, engine starts, brake off, the car is held even if there is a hill, pull away.

-- what you expect people to do is.

Stop, foot on brake, neutral clutch out, engine off hand brake on, foot off handbrake.

then when traffic suddenly moves

foot on clutch, into gear, handbrake off, dab brakes to get hill assist, quickly move to gas pedal to stop car stalling.

Hill assist rewards you for sitting with your foot on the brake, it makes the whole process easier. clutch in, first, away.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I must be sensitive then.

Stop foot on brake, foot off clutch, stop start turns the engine off.

Clutch in, engine starts, brake off, the car is held even if there is a hill, pull away.

-- what you expect people to do is.

Stop, foot on brake, neutral clutch out, engine off hand brake on, foot off handbrake.

then when traffic suddenly moves

foot on clutch, into gear, handbrake off, dab brakes to get hill assist, quickly move to gas pedal to stop car stalling.

Hill assist rewards you for sitting with your foot on the brake, it makes the whole process easier. clutch in, first, away.

Oh I'm not au fait on these new cars who's engines stop at lights.

But I'm not expecting people to manually turn their engines off at traffic lights and junctions, just handbrake and foot off brakes.

These new eco car functions, im not sure what the solution is, probably just get used to being blinded then!

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By *olliPineCouple
over a year ago

swingers clubs

"It seems people are too lazy to use the handbrake when at a stand still in traffic, do they not realize they're blinding the driver behind by staying on the brake??

Sorry it's not Thursday but it annoys me so much especially in the dark.

Anyone else hate this? "

This grates my tits too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What annoys me is when you give way to someone from the right at a t junction, only for them to swerve left and past you without using tbeir fuckin indicators

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry, my handbrake never gets used unless I'm parked, but then only keep my foot on the brake when facing down hill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Newer cars require you to use the footbrake to release the handbrake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also annoying when sat at traffic lights and they have their indicators on.

Flash

Just put them on when it goes amber.

And if the car behind wants to go straight ??

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If im in a manual I'll use it, but if I'm in an Auto I won't bother.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry I'm guilty as charged, with an automatic you do get a bit lazy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If im in a manual I'll use it, but if I'm in an Auto I won't bother. "

Maybe that’s the problem I drive auto

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I use the handbrake to give my knee a rest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't use mine. I drive an auto with an automatic handbrake that isn't in the traditional place ... I can barely remember where it is sometimes

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's amazing how handbrake use is a mandatory skill for a test but people sit with their foot on the brake instead. It's dangerous and disrespectful to others.

I had a twat do it in front of me at lights tonight. I assume that they have no clue, as people who see them doing it are behind them and no feedback ever gets to them.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

I am sensative to light,but I can't say it annoys me to be honest. I do use my handbrake,sometimes.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not using your handbrake presents risks of danger to other road users and pedestrians as well as dazzling people behind you - if their vision is harmed,you are again putting road safety at risk, as they may have an accident because of your lack of driving care.

I was taught to use my handbrake and have continued to use it. If you appreciate roads being safer, you will employ driving behavior that is safer and courteous. If you've lost a child on a dangerous road incident - where they were completely innocent of errors, demonstrating good driver skills is important.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"Effing hate that with a passion but I've started responding....I put my headlights in full beam and wait until they stop, not failed yet.

I'm really tempted to do that but being stuck in traffic I don't want a confrontation.

As soon as they take their foot off the brake, I dip beam again, not had a confrontation yet.

Someone does this to me, I'm staying on that brake. It's not something that annoys me to be honest, I get more annoyed with the mega bright 4x4 headlights in my rear view.

I know the mirrors have night mode, but I feel they lack detail in that position.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's amazing how handbrake use is a mandatory skill for a test but people sit with their foot on the brake instead. It's dangerous and disrespectful to others.

I had a twat do it in front of me at lights tonight. I assume that they have no clue, as people who see them doing it are behind them and no feedback ever gets to them. "

Someone will do it to them at some point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ammyharrogateWoman
over a year ago

Harrogate

My car has hill start assist in it so no handbrake needed it holds there

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Also annoying when sat at traffic lights and they have their indicators on.

Flash

Just put them on when it goes amber.

Just NO

It's very annoying pulling up behind the first car in the queue at a set of lights and then him indicating right as the lights change and having to wait behind him.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Lights are there for a reason, not to annoy you sitting behind but for drivers approaching from a distance...

If everyone stops and puts on their handbrake, other drivers then have to work out whether you are moving or stationary which for drivers of hgv's and other large vehicles can make a huge difference..

Visual warnings are there for a reason, use them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we add indicators too, have they stopped putting these on the modern BWM and Audi’s?

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

The only thing that annoys me more is this trend for fitting mega bright LED light bulbs. I’m sure it’s great that you can now see to Mars, but because no one has their lights adjusted to suit they blind everyone else on the road.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

I had the chance to do an advanced driver training in my last job and the instructor was an ex police driving instructor, actually he used to run the police driving school and instructed on bikes and cars. He taught me to use my handbrake at junctions when stationary for more than a few seconds. The main reason being that the driver behind reacts to your brake lights and when they come off the other driver starts or prepares to move. If they then feel that the is a suitable gap they will go thinking you have gone and run into the back of you. So for that reason I use my handbrake.

With regards to the comment about HGV and large vehicles if you are unable to gauge if the traffic in front of you is stationary or not then I would be worried as you are a risk to yourself and other road users. I understand what you are saying about warnings but the brake light is to indicate the vehicle in front is slowing down quickly not being stationary.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Lights are there for a reason, not to annoy you sitting behind but for drivers approaching from a distance...

Visual warnings are there for a reason, use them!

Yeah maybe the back car! Not the 20 in front!

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

On the way home I get this a lot and I end up reaching home feeling sick, I have a banging head ache and sore eyes, I hate it. Apparently no one in this town has a car with a hand brake.

I'm not so inconsiderate and will use mine. The only time I don't is at one particular junction where I use my foot brake until the next car comes up behind me because the majority of people approach too fast so I want to warn them that I'm not moving, then I put my hand brake on.

But if it's just too difficult for others to do then there's not much you can do but look away, squint or close your eyes and hope you notice people pulling away before you get beeped at for being a second too slow

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

People spend forever researching what car to get, what is included and looking at what it’s capable of etc etc etc. I’m not sure why though because they don’t use it as they should when they get it!

I’ll keep my pretty blue one that has indicators and a handbrake that works thank you

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"On the way home I get this a lot and I end up reaching home feeling sick, I have a banging head ache and sore eyes, I hate it. Apparently no one in this town has a car with a hand brake.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who suffers this much with bright lights. I did use my sun visor last night while at lights etc.

I'm wondering if that anti glare coating on glasses will help, on my glasses not my eyeballs!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People spend forever researching what car to get, what is included and looking at what it’s capable of etc etc etc. I’m not sure why though because they don’t use it as they should when they get it!

I’ll keep my pretty blue one that has indicators and a handbrake that works thank you

Good job! I'll keep my antiquated but reliable car too.

When the car does virtually everything for you, where's the fun and skill in driving?

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

I’ll keep my pretty blue one that has indicators and a handbrake that works thank you

Good job! I'll keep my antiquated but reliable car too.

When the car does virtually everything for you, where's the fun and skill in driving?

I agree

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

"On the way home I get this a lot and I end up reaching home feeling sick, I have a banging head ache and sore eyes, I hate it. Apparently no one in this town has a car with a hand brake.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who suffers this much with bright lights. I did use my sun visor last night while at lights etc.

I'm wondering if that anti glare coating on glasses will help, on my glasses not my eyeballs!!

I have it on my glasses and I find it a pain to be honest! You have to keep them spotlessly clean or else at night it's almost like you've smeared grease on them

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

I’ll keep my pretty blue one that has indicators and a handbrake that works thank you

Good job! I'll keep my antiquated but reliable car too.

When the car does virtually everything for you, where's the fun and skill in driving?

I agree

I agree as well.

But unfortunately we are heading towards cars that drive themselves. There will be a time when driving will not be a skill that anyone needs anymore. So when the person in front's break lights are blinding you it won't matter as you will be staring in to the screen of your phone or tablet doing other things and won't need to pay attention to what is going on around you. I'm one who enjoys driving so I just hope I'll be dead or too old to drive by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I want to be as visible as possible so if that means putting my foot on the brake then so be it. Maybe other people should consider ways to make themselves more visible to other road users. The number of unlit vehicles (motorised and pedal powered) I see on the roads in the dark is insane.

Oh and pedestrians should be on the pavement, cyclists on a cycle lane if available, on the road if not. Having to avoid pedestrians in the road because a cyclist has forced them off the pavement is a pet hate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree as well.

That sounds awful to me, I really love driving. I guess I'll be gone before it gets to that stage though.

Thanks for the heads up on the glasses, I'll skip then coz my glasses get bad before I realise!

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"It seems people are too lazy to use the handbrake when at a stand still in traffic, do they not realize they're blinding the driver behind by staying on the brake??

Sorry it's not Thursday but it annoys me so much especially in the dark.

Anyone else hate this? "

You know that most of the time its not deliberate? Most newer cars have auto hold when the car comes to a stop. Auto hold automatically turns on the brake lights. Not much the river in front can do about it.

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By *inglenfreeMan
over a year ago

london

"I tend to use my handbrake most of the time.

I’ve got a really low heavy clutch that isn’t particularly comfortable to use so having it pressed to the floor gets uncomfortable very quickly."

But if your car is eco stop start then your engine cuts out until you lift your foot off the break pedal Plus my car does not have a hand break so sorry nothing I can do about it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I didn't realise this, thank you. Well the persons who designed it need a slap!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dazzled at lights this morning.

Now can I mention roundabouts.

Had to stop because of other people's laziness.

I'm going straight on.. They are approaching from the right... No indicators, they get to the junction and turn left without indicating.

If they can be arsed, and indicate rather than leave it, I can drive straight on without stopping;

It's lazy.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

Rule 114, of the highway code states :

You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders

use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.

Law RVLR reg 27

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Rule 114, of the highway code states :

You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders

use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

Law RVLR reg 27"

Thank you! Though I doubt it would ever be enforced. And if these modern cars are incapable of not blinding other road users, it's a bit pointless.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

(fixed typo)

And don't get me started on front fog lights!!!

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"Rule 114, of the highway code states :

You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders

use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

Law RVLR reg 27"

Yup, it’s painful on the eyes, so I either put down my visor or look elsewhere until they move off.

I always use my handbrake. Using your foot brake is just lazy driving.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

My biggest pet peeves when it comes to lights is people who drive about with full beam on all the bloody time or those that have vehicles with their headlight alignment out or worse still those that only use side lights (after a while those bulbs start to dim so much so you can hardly see them ) It really doesn't bother me the break lights and I drive for a living

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My biggest pet peeves when it comes to lights is people who drive about with full beam on all the bloody time or those that have vehicles with their headlight alignment out or worse still those that only use side lights (after a while those bulbs start to dim so much so you can hardly see them ) It really doesn't bother me the break lights and I drive for a living

I flash em when they have full beam on.

Surely an mot would pick up dim side lights? My indicators have been replaced the last 2 years for"not being orange enough"?!?!

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

I flash em when they have full beam on.

Surely an mot would pick up dim side lights? My indicators have been replaced the last 2 years for"not being orange enough"?!?!"

Yeah it does however a lot of people make an arse of changing headlight bulbs and don't sit them correctly in the unit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I know the pattern of the lights I won't. But if it's gonna take ages. I give my foot a rest.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

One of the other reasons I was taught not to use your footbrake as opposed to handbrake is that if you’re “shunted” from the rear & your foot comes off the brake in the process then it’s your insurance that will be paying out for hitting the car in front.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of the other reasons I was taught not to use your footbrake as opposed to handbrake is that if you’re “shunted” from the rear & your foot comes off the brake in the process then it’s your insurance that will be paying out for hitting the car in front. "

Though you would get less damage to the rear of your vehicle if you're foot came off and you moved forwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems people are too lazy to use the handbrake when at a stand still in traffic, do they not realize they're blinding the driver behind by staying on the brake??

Sorry it's not Thursday but it annoys me so much especially in the dark.

Anyone else hate this? "

Your spot on people are even getting to lazy to put the dam thing on, it's easier to sit with your foot on brake pedal, which isn't good for your brake discs. It can warp them if they are worn. Be safe out there folks.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Though you would get less damage to the rear of your vehicle if you're foot came off and you moved forwards."

Lol less damage to rear but more damage to front

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm guilty of this! But cant say it has ever bothered me or even entered my mind im affecting someone else as it doesnt affect me...

I wouldnt suggest you hold your high beams on behind them in traffic though to make your point....some people arent as tolerant as me!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm guilty of this! But cant say it has ever bothered me or even entered my mind im affecting someone else as it doesnt affect me...

I wouldnt suggest you hold your high beams on behind them in traffic though to make your point....some people arent as tolerant as me!"

Even if your action was blinding the other person to start with? I know 2 wrongs don't make a right, but I believe those who have a handbrake who choose not to use it should show some consideration in the first place!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

Guilty as charged as we have automatics.

Oddly I'm sure an old sixties Jag I owned had a thing called "Hill Assist" whereby the brakes stayed on until you touched the throttle, the other side of this being that once you released your foot off the pedal the brake lights went out though the brake was still applied.

The advent of ultra bright LEDs seems to have made it much worse than it used to be.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Guilty as charged as we have automatics.

The advent of ultra bright LEDs seems to have made it much worse than it used to be.

Tut Tut..

LED- LASER EYE DESTROYER! hahaha

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"Guilty as charged as we have automatics.

The advent of ultra bright LEDs seems to have made it much worse than it used to be.

Tut Tut..

LED- LASER EYE DESTROYER! hahaha"

Your not wrong! get stuck behind a Audi Q7 or similar & its sunglasses time

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

LED- LASER EYE DESTROYER! hahaha

Your not wrong! get stuck behind a Audi Q7 or similar & its sunglasses time

Have they got like 3000 of the feckers on the back?!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

LED- LASER EYE DESTROYER! hahaha

Your not wrong! get stuck behind a Audi Q7 or similar & its sunglasses time

Have they got like 3000 of the feckers on the back?!

Seems like if, if they are behind you start applying the factor thirty!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

LED- LASER EYE DESTROYER! hahaha

Your not wrong! get stuck behind a Audi Q7 or similar & its sunglasses time

Have they got like 3000 of the feckers on the back?!

Seems like if, if they are behind you start applying the factor thirty!

And use those egg cup things for your eyes like in the sunbed?

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Just spotted this thread..

And funnily enough thinking exactly the same at 6am this morning.

Pouring rain, windscreen wipers going like the clappers, and every tit in front of my at the lights, sitting on their brake pedal

Bloody annoying

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

Who taught you that? If you are pushed into the car in front then it will not make any difference if you claim to have had your foot on the brake or actually how do you prove it? The car behind is responsible for not hitting the car in front. Leave more space to the car in front.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Though you would get less damage to the rear of your vehicle if you're foot came off and you moved forwards.

Lol less damage to rear but more damage to front

As well as more damage to the car in front

(I’m trying not to audibly roll my eyes... but

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

Thought I'd pay attention and see if it bothered me today, it doesn't. It only gets annoying if I sit staring at the brake lights, which I naturally don't I look around instead. In actual fact the only brake light that's annoying, for me, is the top one, as the others aren't much different to the rear lights ( don't know proper name for them, but the ones that come on with headlights).

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

" Who taught you that? If you are pushed into the car in front then it will not make any difference if you claim to have had your foot on the brake or actually how do you prove it? The car behind is responsible for not hitting the car in front. Leave more space to the car in front."

Having the handbrake on makes it less likely that you’ll be shunted into the car in front (if you’ve left sufficient space). Sitting on the foot brake can be ‘interpreted’ by insurers as meaning you haven’t taken the appropriate precautions resulting in you taking some of the blame.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm shocked that so many people here admit to bad and dangerous driving. You may have bad habits that you have developed but can switch to some new ones, where you are using your handbrake appropriately.

Take an advanced driving course if you'd really like to commit to making roads safer for others.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

" Having the handbrake on makes it less likely that you’ll be shunted into the car in front (if you’ve left sufficient space). Sitting on the foot brake can be ‘interpreted’ by insurers as meaning you haven’t taken the appropriate precautions resulting in you taking some of the blame."

And we all know insurance companies will look for every bit of evidence not to pay out on a claim. They’ll look for things like “did the tyres leave marks on the road” or “is there marks on the tyres indicating the handbrake was fully engaged”... anything to prove that appropriate precautions were taken by one & not the other driver.

Long story short... I’ll still use my handbrake when fully stopped rather than foot brakes.

Oh & for the commentator who asked who taught me - (obviously I’m not going to name names) but it was a top advanced instructor who taught Emergency Services. It was just one of the reasons NOT to use the footbrake instead of proper use of the handbrake when stopped. The lesson stuck with me & I’ll continue to use his wisdom rather than ignore it.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"I'm shocked that so many people here admit to bad and dangerous driving. You may have bad habits that you have developed but can switch to some new ones, where you are using your handbrake appropriately.

Take an advanced driving course if you'd really like to commit to making roads safer for others. "

Well said.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

Long story short... I’ll still use my handbrake when fully stopped rather than foot brakes.

Sorry I have just read your post again and I have to apologise I got your statement back to front. I think we are both in agreement that the handbrake is the way to go every time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Sitting on the foot brake can be ‘interpreted’ by insurers as meaning you haven’t taken the appropriate precautions resulting in you taking some of the blame."

Sorry but this is untrue. There is no way a decent insurer will do this. If i have stopped behind a vehicle at a safe distance and i am then hit from behind by another vehicle with the impact forcing me into the vehicle in front of me, 100% of blame will be apportioned to the vehicle behind that hit me.

I do agree that it is better practice to use the handbrake when stopped.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"Sorry I have just read your post again and I have to apologise I got your statement back to front. I think we are both in agreement that the handbrake is the way to go every time.

Accepted & agreed.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Hopefully we can all see that inappropriate use of the correct brakes when using public highways is not how any of us were taught to drive, & more of us will consider other road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems people are too lazy to use the handbrake when at a stand still in traffic, do they not realize they're blinding the driver behind by staying on the brake??

Sorry it's not Thursday but it annoys me so much especially in the dark.

Anyone else hate this? "

I solved the problem, I drive with my eyes closed at night

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

if the light from brake lights is dazzling you then the problem is with your vision. Either you need an eye test or have a dirty/scratched windscreen.

lights on cars are "type approved" meaning that they have been tested as having the correct light output and spread to be considered safe and appropriate.

Also the light output of brakelights is less than the output of car headlights so if you are dazzled by brakelights you must also be dazzled by every headlight approaching you. Red light is also less powerfull than white light due to it only being a fraction of the light energy/spectrum that makes up `white` light. This is the reason that red light has less of an effect on your night vision which means that if red light is affecting your ability to see then white light (in the form of approaching headlights) must also be making you dangerously blind on the road.

As for the point about hand vs foot brake in a crash, the handbrake only operates on the rear wheels and with less force than the foot break making it less effective at stopping you hitting the car in front. Having the brake light on also makes it less likely for someone to crash into you in the first place due to the higher visibility and the clear signal that you are stopped.

That said, you should use your handbrake but i have no problem with people pressing the footbrake. Not least because handbrakes fail far more often and shouldn`t be totally relied upon, especially on hills.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

does not annoy me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Storm in a c cup

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By *xplorer13Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!"

Really! Have you no idea of how to maintain a vehicle? Let alone the lack of safety to other road users...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!"

I used to live in an extremely hilly city, - if I took your advise that'd be at least 4 burnt-out clutches per year, - do you own a garage by any chance?

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By *xplorer13Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!

I used to live in an extremely hilly city, - if I took your advise that'd be at least 4 burnt-out clutches per year, - do you own a garage by any chance? "

No, clutches last ten times longer than brakes. Plus your only there 20 seconds..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!

I used to live in an extremely hilly city, - if I took your advise that'd be at least 4 burnt-out clutches per year, - do you own a garage by any chance?

No, clutches last ten times longer than brakes. Plus your only there 20 seconds.."
only where for 20 seconds, - do you drive in a small village?

Not in this city they didn't, - but unlike clutch plates, pads were cheap as chips.

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!

I used to live in an extremely hilly city, - if I took your advise that'd be at least 4 burnt-out clutches per year, - do you own a garage by any chance?

No, clutches last ten times longer than brakes. Plus your only there 20 seconds.."

Brake pads dont wear when stopped still as there is no friction. slipping the clutch for 20 seconds though is 20 seconds of extra wear.

When you consider that you only use the clutch for a second or two changing gear you will realise how much extra, unnecessary wear you are creating. Not to mention the extra heat prematurely wearing out your thrust bearing by engaging the clutch for extended periods of time. Or the extra stress on dual mass flywheels.

So you can either use the brakes and have no extra wear or cost, or replace your clutch at least twice as often which will cost £200 if you fix it yourself or substantially more if you take it to the garage and have a flash motor as its not a quick job and the parts can cost a lot depending on wht you are driving.

Brake pads cost peanuts and can be changed in 30 mins and like i said, you aren`t going to wear them out any quicker anyway as you have already done the stopping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!

I used to live in an extremely hilly city, - if I took your advise that'd be at least 4 burnt-out clutches per year, - do you own a garage by any chance?

No, clutches last ten times longer than brakes. Plus your only there 20 seconds..

Brake pads dont wear when stopped still as there is no friction. slipping the clutch for 20 seconds though is 20 seconds of extra wear.

Brake pads cost peanuts and can be changed in 30 mins and like i said, you aren`t going to wear them out any quicker anyway as you have already done the stopping.

when you drive for a living & your discs are extremely hot all day, only the inexperienced would ride the brake at traffic lights - for obvious reasons!

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

"I was taught to ride the clutch, so no brakes... need to learn how to drive!

I used to live in an extremely hilly city, - if I took your advise that'd be at least 4 burnt-out clutches per year, - do you own a garage by any chance?

No, clutches last ten times longer than brakes. Plus your only there 20 seconds..

Brake pads dont wear when stopped still as there is no friction. slipping the clutch for 20 seconds though is 20 seconds of extra wear.

Brake pads cost peanuts and can be changed in 30 mins and like i said, you aren`t going to wear them out any quicker anyway as you have already done the stopping.

when you drive for a living & your discs are extremely hot all day, only the inexperienced would ride the brake at traffic lights - for obvious reasons! "

Such as?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Errrrrrm ......

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

"Errrrrrm ...... "

Go on, i dare you to tell me its because they are hot...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excellent guess

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

"Excellent guess

Wasn`t a guess, i knew what you meant, i also know why you are wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Excellent guess

Wasn`t a guess, i knew what you meant, i also know why you are wrong. "

sure ...... mechanic/oily rag line .....

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

"Excellent guess

Wasn`t a guess, i knew what you meant, i also know why you are wrong.

sure ...... mechanic/oily rag line ....."

Go on, lets hear why you think heat is bad for brakes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mechanic/oily rag line wasn't enough obviously

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By *ewbie1972Man
over a year ago

Somewhere

I don’t like the whole ‘leave your main beams on’ brigade........ especially when they’re coming towards you with their fog lights on too

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan

"Mechanic/oily rag line wasn't enough obviously"

Enough for what? proving you are avoiding the subject? Your last comment is meaningless, it literally says nothing. If you are trying to insult me or discredit me it`s a shit attempt and definately not worthy of a repeat.

Lets make this clear, there is no reason to not hold your brakes on at standstill (other than people moaning about the light, obviously...)It cant damage anything and it doesnt matter if you have been driving all day or not.

Why? Because brakes are made to get hot, it is literally their sole purpose and what makes them work. They transfer kinetic energy into heat that is what they do. Pressing your brake when stood still doesnt even create any more heat as there is no kinetic energy or friction, so what do you actually think is going to get damaged? Steel doesnt begin to get soft until around 600 degrees celcius and only melts around 1300. Brake fluid boils at 300c but is cooled by the aluminium caliper which is an excellent heat sink. Unless your brakes are stuck on and you keep driving you literally cant damage anything with heat as the system is designed to tolerate and disapate the heat created.

Normal driving, even driving and braking as fast and hard as you can will not cause enough heat to push the temperature over its operating limit. You MIGHT glaze the pads but that happens when slowing down, not holding your brakes at a standstill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Assuming it's not your car and you don't care about damage to the clutch, what happens if you get hit from behind when riding the clutch? Even if you carry on riding the clutch there is nothing stopping you from freewheeling into the car in front, and chances are you will drop the clutch and drive into it as well.

Whoever taught you to ride the clutch at traffic lights and junctions obviously did not know how to drive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some passionate responses starting to come out

Shall we have a thread about nitrogen vs normal air in tyres next?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some passionate responses starting to come out

Shall we have a thread about nitrogen vs normal air in tyres next? "

Noooo, if you want passion.....start a 'plane on a conveyor' thread.

Folk lose their minds, and all power of rational or reasoned response.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fuck sake

get out more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fuck sake

get out more"

I would but I can't enjoy the view, thanks to being blinded by the lights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some passionate responses starting to come out

Shall we have a thread about nitrogen vs normal air in tyres next? "

Yes please, would love to know the molucle size of each, and what is in the 30% of air that isn't nitrogen anyway that causes an issue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fuck sake

get out more

I would but I can't enjoy the view, thanks to being blinded by the lights

[Chorus:]

Blinded by the light

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night

Blinded by the light

Madman drummer bummers

Indians in the summer

With a teenage diplomat

In the dumps with the mumps

As the adolescent pumps

His way into his hat

With a boulder on my shoulder

Feeling kinda older

I tripped a merry-go-round

With this very unpleasing

Sneezing and wheezing

The calliope crashed to the ground

[Chorus:]

But she was blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce,

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce,

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce,

Another runner in the night.

Some silicone sister

With her manager mister

Told me I got what it takes

She said, I'll turn you on sonny to something strong

Play the song with the funky break

And go-kart Mozart

Was checking out the weather chart

To see if it was safe outside

And little Early Pearly

Came by in his curly-wurly

And asked me if I needed a ride

Asked me if I needed a ride

[Chorus:]

‘Cause she was blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce,

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

She got down but she never got tight

She's gonna make it to the night

She's gonna make it through the night

But mama, that's where the fun is

[Solo]

Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun

But mama, that's where the fun is

Some brimstone baritone

Anticyclone rolling stone

Preacher from the east

Says, "Dethrone the dictaphone.

Hit it in its funny bone.

That's where they expect it least."

And some new mown chaperone

Was standing in the corner

Watching the young girls dance

And some fresh-sown moonstone

Was messing with his frozen zone

Reminding him of romance

The calliope crashed to the ground

But she was blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

(Madman drummers bummers and Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat

In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat)

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

(With a boulder on my shoulder feelin' kinda older I tripped the merry-go-round

With this very unpleasing sneezing and wheezing the calliope crashed to the ground)

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

(And now Scott with a slingshot finally found a tender spot and throws his lover in the sand

And some bloodshot forget-me-not whispers daddy's within earshot save the buckshot turn up the band.)

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

Blinded by the light.

Revved up like a deuce

Another runner in the night.

(Some silicone sister with her manager mister told me I got what it takes

She said I'll turn you on sonny to something strong)

She got down but she never got tired,

She's gonna make it through the nigh

Were song writers more talented back then, or did they just have better drugs?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"fuck sake

get out more

I would but I can't enjoy the view, thanks to being blinded by the lights

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

Something for those people who prefer to just press on their foot brakes all the time; your front brake pads wear out far quicker, and become less effective due to being constantly hot. Also, your handbrake (and the rear brakes in general) can seize up through lack of use, which, if you have an electric handbrake system, can be eye-wateringly expensive to replace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No! It's a pain in the arse electric one and it winds me up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! It's a pain in the arse electric one and it winds me up"

Mine is automatic sometimes... if it thinks you are on a steep enough hill it's automatic, if you think you are on a steep enough hill, it doesn't bother. But most of my vehicles dont have a hand brake, and have higher brake light to ensure they line up with other drivers eyes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! It's a pain in the arse electric one and it winds me up

Mines not automatic for some reason. Piece of German crap

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I like using my brake pedal as a base drum, especially when day at lights listening to a bit of Metallica.

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