FabSwingers.com forum: SNP declares war on the poor

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So now we're all set for alcohol minimum pricing. This is only going to affect the poorer people of Scotland. Mind you living under the wee krankie you need a drink or two. Damm can't afford it now. Smugglers welcome here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but shouldnt the poorer people be buying food not drink?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Sorry but shouldnt the poorer people be buying food not drink?"

Yeah, but they need a can of Special Brew to wash down their deep fried Mars Bars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but shouldnt the poorer people be buying food not drink?

Yeah, but they need a can of Special Brew to wash down their deep fried Mars Bars

Lol you need a spank to cure that sarcasm

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman
over a year ago

London

"So now we're all set for alcohol minimum pricing. This is only going to affect the poorer people of Scotland. Mind you living under the wee krankie you need a drink or two. Damm can't afford it now. Smugglers welcome here."

I hadn't even thought about smugglers. My first thought was how many stills would be set up, and how many people are going to die from alcoholic poisoning.

Putting in that legislation has opened up a Pandora's box. I don't think there it's a clear-cut way to control alcohol consumption by just legislation. The Americans learnt that with prohibition.

Maybe a carrot and stick approach would be better if they used education alongside legislation. Maybe the Scottish Parliament have plans to do so. Time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but shouldnt the poorer people be buying food not drink?"

Absolutely. Let's make sure the poor are excluded from any pleasure at all. In fact they should only eat gruel.

Problem drinking affects the middle classes as much as anyone else, however they're not going to be priced out of their Prosecco. It smacks of nothing but snobbery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The minimum price thing is a joke in reality. People will still buy alcohol just the same way smokers still by fags at the cost they are whilst hidden away.

What is needed is education and understanding why people binge and escape through alcohol.

Nanny states telling people what they can and can't do and what's good and bad doesn't help.

Give it a while and we will live in a world like that in demolition man everything people enjoy is bad so banned.

(I'm tea total and a none smoker btw)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this just off license prices to charge by the unit,or bar prices as well?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

If you think this is bad, check out the SNP named person legislation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but shouldnt the poorer people be buying food not drink?"

Could be an argument. But all that pricing things out of the range of the poor does is create a "well they clearly think that we're not allowed it" thought process. The whole punishment by taxation/pricing people out of things mentality does is create a feeling of us versus them, and also opens up the black market further. People are not going to stop drinking because of a price increase. We had a period of really shady home distilled vodka being circulated here in Leeds a few years back; it was poisoning people. All that this kind of action does is open people to risky things like this being sold on the black market

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

My dad died of alcoholic liver disease aged 52' my mum is in serious I'll health despite time in rehab. Their lives and my childhood were robbed by alcohol. Personally I'm all for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this just off license prices to charge by the unit,or bar prices as well?"

Just off sales

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Personally, I'd love to see real restrictions on carry-out sales of alcohol. Pubs are closing in their hundreds around the country because folk can go to Tesco or Asda and buy 24 cans of beer for a tenner, then sit at home on their own with their friends on the Tele rather than going out and socialising with real people.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Is this just off license prices to charge by the unit,or bar prices as well?

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Just off sales"

It's all sales, but the minimum price will be that low that it'll not effect pubs.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My dad died of alcoholic liver disease aged 52' my mum is in serious I'll health despite time in rehab. Their lives and my childhood were robbed by alcohol. Personally I'm all for it. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you are all ignoring the fact that people become poor for all reasons my mother was earning 1800 a month till her heart attack now she earns 600 a month you all need some compassion and to get of your high horses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the fact that some of you think raising the price of consumable items will encourage people living in rough times to get more money is a fucking joke.

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

"My dad died of alcoholic liver disease aged 52' my mum is in serious I'll health despite time in rehab. Their lives and my childhood were robbed by alcohol. Personally I'm all for it.

Be more for funding rehabs and outreach programs than heavier taxes. I'm sorry that you have had this hardship, but addicts don't get deterred by higher pricing. They just find other means to get their fix. Help is the cure, not punishment by trying to outprice the vunerables pocket"
while I agree with a lot of what you're saying, in their case they were poor had it not been affordable to them at that point it would have been some limit to the damage and they amount.

We need better education, better support for young people. We need be rid of the culture that its fun or cool to go out and get wrecked every weekend. Alcoholics are not all down and outs. They function, they work and before they are aware they are trapped by it themselves.

The "I need a drink" culture.

Don't get me wrong we all have those moments. I'm no kill joy. I've just seen the human cost in so many ways.

The cemetery where my dad is for example is surrounded by men and women he worked and socialised with. All of them lost their lives in the same way.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I hope the idea works out, I think it has merits, however there are always the risk of unintended consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Raise the price of cigarettes aswell then. How many cemeteries are full if people dying of lung cancer let's make cars more expensive to for all the carbon they pump out and damage our health's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Raise the price of cigarettes aswell then. How many cemeteries are full if people dying of lung cancer let's make cars more expensive to for all the carbon they pump out and damage our health's"

Smokers are more likely to die from COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really let's ban poor peasants from having them then! Am I right the more stuck up ignorant people killing themselves off the better :D

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel like I need to rebuttal this argument;

I will tell a story that was told to me by an old housemate.

One of her friends husband was a heavy alcoholic. He would regularly drink his money away. When he had no money but needed to drink, he used to drink her perfume.

Pricing people out of buying alcohol does not solve the problem. An alcoholic will find their fix, no matter what level of shame they need to go to

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There will be huge volumes of booze brought up from England legally

The UK had booze cruises to France - now it'll be cheap trips to England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like I need to rebuttal this argument;

I will tell a story that was told to me by an old housemate.

One of her friends husband was a heavy alcoholic. He would regularly drink his money away. When he had no money but needed to drink, he used to drink her perfume.

Pricing people out of buying alcohol does not solve the problem. An alcoholic will find their fix, no matter what level of shame they need to go to"

I'm with you on that. That person will drink the same amount but there will just be less money left over for food for that person's family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this just off license prices to charge by the unit,or bar prices as well?

Just off sales"

Then perhaps that will help the pub trade,I know more people here in n.ireland drink at home and that's causing pubs to close due to poor sales.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I can see a business opportunity here. Open an off licence just across the border.

Off to google I go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can buy a still on amazon for a hundred quid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently Scotland has a particular problem with alcohol abuse and their NHS is heavily loaded with alcohol related injuries... In a way the booze tax is just like making smokers pay more for because of their lung cancer, COPD etc. At least condoms are still free....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more I'm self employed and always offer the homeless cash in hand work pushing a brush on buildING sites for £50 a day I've ask about 20 only one took me up on it and still works for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go point as we surely pay more at the bar already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couldn't agree more I'm self employed and always offer the homeless cash in hand work pushing a brush on buildING sites for £50 a day I've ask about 20 only one took me up on it and still works for me "

You, sir, are a true British hero

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know if minimum pricing will have the desired effect and I don't know what the solution to the problem is.

I think it was a good thing when they concerntrated on making smoking less glamorous and took away the high profile advertising.

I think alcohol advertising needs to be addressed in a similar way. They shouldn't be able to portray it the way they do.

Just look at all the Christmas adds for alcohol and how glamorous and refined drinking whiskey makes us. Compare that with CCTV footage of closing time or, take a trip to A&E on a Friday night or a refuge for battered wives.

Drink culture is what needs to be addressed. It doesn't matter if you're getting d*unk on £200 bottles of champagne or cheap white lightening... it's alcohol...it gets you pissed if you drink to much... it makes life messy if you're not careful!

Some people have a real problem and need help. I think the people who need help will just divert money from other areas of their lives which will cause them even more problems.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"My dad died of alcoholic liver disease aged 52' my mum is in serious I'll health despite time in rehab. Their lives and my childhood were robbed by alcohol. Personally I'm all for it. "

Alcohol is the primary reason for the death of my Nanna and of my Uncle. If my Mum carries on it will be the primary cause of hers too.

My Mum was drinking so heavily when I was a teenager that we nearly lost our house and the bailiffs were at the door every other week. A higher price of alcohol would not have stopped that, it would just have put us in debt quicker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the one thing that would never bother me if it was introduced here cos I don't drink alcohol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's the one thing that would never bother me if it was introduced here cos I don't drink alcohol. "

Same here...but as a smoker this has been happening for donkeys years.

So it doesn't come as any shock..in fact I'm surprised it has taken this long..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's the one thing that would never bother me if it was introduced here cos I don't drink alcohol.

Same here...but as a smoker this has been happening for donkeys years.

So it doesn't come as any shock..in fact I'm surprised it has taken this long.."

Yep! I remember when 10 lamber used to cost 98p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lambert rather!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i don't have an issue with minimum unit pricing...

so can we just make a few things clear...

it wont affect pubs because they already work above the minimum price... it wont affect spirits as again they work way above....

it wont affect your normal brands if you are taking home as well

what this does is stop super strength lagers and ciders and alco-pops being sold on the cheap.....

so if that helps reduce NHS numbers for liver disease or treating alcoholism, or A&E numbers.... or crimes committed under the influence then i am all for that

i think we should also follow scotland and bring down the drink drive limit from .08 down to .04... but thats a seperate discussion...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but shouldnt the poorer people be buying food not drink?

Absolutely. Let's make sure the poor are excluded from any pleasure at all. In fact they should only eat gruel.

Problem drinking affects the middle classes as much as anyone else, however they're not going to be priced out of their Prosecco. It smacks of nothing but snobbery."

I didn't say that drinking affected others classes I was mealy stating my opinion and seeing as your going down that road

alot of "poor"people would rather buy drink then food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Really let's ban poor peasants from having them then! Am I right the more stuck up ignorant people killing themselves off the better :D"

So you just want wealthy smokers dying?

And what does stuck up to do with those lacking knowledge? Do you want to wear that label?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like I need to rebuttal this argument;

I will tell a story that was told to me by an old housemate.

One of her friends husband was a heavy alcoholic. He would regularly drink his money away. When he had no money but needed to drink, he used to drink her perfume.

Pricing people out of buying alcohol does not solve the problem. An alcoholic will find their fix, no matter what level of shame they need to go to"

As with any addict.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought everyone in Scotland got a winter alcohol allowance. A bit like the heating allowance as it’s bloody cold up there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently Scotland has a particular problem with alcohol abuse and their NHS is heavily loaded with alcohol related injuries... In a way the booze tax is just like making smokers pay more for because of their lung cancer, COPD etc. At least condoms are still free....

It's what triggers the addiction needs to be sorted. DON'T just treat the symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i don't have an issue with minimum unit pricing...

so can we just make a few things clear...

it wont affect pubs because they already work above the minimum price... it wont affect spirits as again they work way above....

it wont affect your normal brands if you are taking home as well

what this does is stop super strength lagers and ciders and alco-pops being sold on the cheap.....

so if that helps reduce NHS numbers for liver disease or treating alcoholism, or A&E numbers.... or crimes committed under the influence then i am all for that

i think we should also follow scotland and bring down the drink drive limit from .08 down to .04... but thats a seperate discussion..."

Binge drinking and diabetes do not mix, in fact it can be fatal. If potential death doesn't prevent it, you think cost will? The triggers are psychological. The ED only has time to treat the symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you think this is bad, check out the SNP named person legislation

It is a bit like welcome to the Stalinist republic of if you don't live the way Jimmy Kranky dictates were sending the Pied Piper to eat... err steal your children...

And now you can't afford to go out to get pissed to forget either...

Next week Hogmanay is to be banned too...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's illegal to offer cash in hand to people to work for you, you should know that. You can be prosecuted for it.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

At the end of the day, I've never seen any policy succeed that tries to indirectly tackle a problem. It's frankly, the cowards way.

The problem is not that alcohol is too cheap. The problem is binge drinking / alcoholism. Politicians need to either be:

- Liberal and fuck off

- Meddling and treat the disease, not the symptoms

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

It's illegal to offer cash in hand to people to work for you, you should know that. You can be prosecuted for it. "

Actually it's not at all. It's illegal to not record it or to pay less than the minimum wage.

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By *ak777Man
over a year ago

shaw

obesity is now a big problem what are they going to do about it like drinking and smoking ,for me they are just after more tax

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