FabSwingers.com forum: Motorway rules

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all"

Have you spent much time on the M25?

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By *elnkazCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

DO NOT get me started on this subject !!!! Kaz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also if you are going to overtake for gods sake put your foot down overtake and pull back over to original lane

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"DO NOT get me started on this subject !!!! Kaz"

Oh but please....let’s get started

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"also if you are going to overtake for gods sake put your foot down overtake and pull back over to original lane"

I have a difference of opinion here. I don’t care what speed you are doing in the overtaking lanes, as long as you are overtaking. But lane hoggers I can’t stand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

Blimey you northerners really take the north south devide very seriously.

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

I don't even drive and I get road rage on the motorway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't even drive and I get road rage on the motorway "

That’s pretty dangerous. You need to be in a car or on a motorbike to be on a motorway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It drives me potty between junc 30 and 28 of the M1, people sit at 60 in the third lane! Absolutely gets on my wick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I found myself being brake checked by a Renault twingo not so long back

Like pulled out into my lane to brake check me???

I thought Fair enough but trust me...my brakes are better than yours.

The worst driving seems to be around 5am where normal rules seem not to apply

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It does my head in when people sit in the middle of a 3 lane carriageway and are going slower than people in the driving lane and the right hand lane

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I found myself being brake checked by a Renault twingo not so long back

Like pulled out into my lane to brake check me???

I thought Fair enough but trust me...my brakes are better than yours.

The worst driving seems to be around 5am where normal rules seem not to apply "

Was you in the left lane? Because if not you probably deserved it

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

Its been a while since ive driven motorways but use to do them regular, always left a good 2-3 seconds between myself and vehicle in front, only to have some twunt force themselves into that safe gap, not safe at 70mph

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't even drive and I get road rage on the motorway

That’s pretty dangerous. You need to be in a car or on a motorbike to be on a motorway

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

Blimey you northerners really take the north south devide very seriously.

Because it’s always cold up here, it makes us cranky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Middle lane hogs can be a bit annoying.

Slow overtakers can be annoying too.

But nobody is more annoying than the total fuckwits who drive up other people's arse.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

"Its been a while since ive driven motorways but use to do them regular, always left a good 2-3 seconds between myself and vehicle in front, only to have some twunt force themselves into that safe gap, not safe at 70mph

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

Only a fool breaks the 3 second rule

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

Yeah that does my head in!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to clarify. Lanes are those dotted white lines on the road that you can arbitrarily drift between without using your indicators or checking in your side mirrors?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How bout sitting at 70 I the more lane...im overtaking lots...and still being overtaken

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

Only a fool breaks the 3 second rule "

Tru dat

And it was 2 second rule when I passed my test (1990), in cars with crappier brakes too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just to clarify. Lanes are those dotted white lines on the road that you can arbitrarily drift between without using your indicators or checking in your side mirrors?"

Only if you drive a BMW

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

Blimey you northerners really take the north south devide very seriously.

Because it’s always cold up here, it makes us cranky"

I was never cranky. I’m one of life’s happy people. I don’t know any better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I found myself being brake checked by a Renault twingo not so long back

Like pulled out into my lane to brake check me???

I thought Fair enough but trust me...my brakes are better than yours.

The worst driving seems to be around 5am where normal rules seem not to apply

Was you in the left lane? Because if not you probably deserved it"

Read it again......

I was overtaking him, on a two lane bit of motorway. then he pulled out into my lane just to brake check me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

First lane is always the empty one on the m25.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It drives me potty between junc 30 and 28 of the M1, people sit at 60 in the third lane! Absolutely gets on my wick "

with you there!

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"Just to clarify. Lanes are those dotted white lines on the road that you can arbitrarily drift between without using your indicators or checking in your side mirrors?"

Them long straight bits that's easier for rolling a cig while steering with left knee?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead."

It's sometimes necessary to straddle a few lanes on the huge islands with the impatient furious drivers incase you read the arrows wrong first time and need to make last minute adjustments to direction . You're never getting in the flow otherwise

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I found myself being brake checked by a Renault twingo not so long back

Like pulled out into my lane to brake check me???

I thought Fair enough but trust me...my brakes are better than yours.

The worst driving seems to be around 5am where normal rules seem not to apply

Was you in the left lane? Because if not you probably deserved it

Read it again......

I was overtaking him, on a two lane bit of motorway. then he pulled out into my lane just to brake check me."

My mistake

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead."

A. Whenever there's other cars about. If it's empty I may take the racing line as it were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

If it's a mini roundabout none of the rules apply

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead."

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

If it's a mini roundabout none of the rules apply

Just drive straight over the top of them

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

I know what I would like to be straddling and I was not thinking lines on the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This gets me so angry!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

The ones that get my goat are those that can't keep to lanes going on & coming off roundabouts.

Two lanes on, two lanes straight over off, so either lane is OK, they stay in the r/h one because they think its "quicker,the fast lane" whatever, but you both pull onto the roundabout together & they try to move to the left lane as they come off!

Why?? Ffs if your gonna be a dick at least be consistent!!

The other one is lost morons on roundabouts nearly causing accidents by trying to cut across other lanes cos they are sitting in the wrong lane! Guess what? Its a fucking roundabout you are allowed to go round again and have another go rather than cause an accident!

;-)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

A. Whenever there's other cars about. If it's empty I may take the racing line as it were

Did you know that you can out accelerate any car in your 1300cc provided that you have a free flow exhaust, lowered suspension and what looks like the best part of an airplane wing mounted onto the boot of your car?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all"

So if you’re not overtaking you’re a communist??

I’m buying a faster van

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that get my goat are those that can't keep to lanes going on & coming off roundabouts.

Why?? Ffs if your gonna be a dick at least be consistent!!

;-)

Until you get syphoned off up the M6

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just love the morons who rant and rave and get angry, then commit the same minor infringement somewhere a few miles down the road, whilst having a self belief they never make a mistake.

Get over yourself if that's all that affects you!!!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"The ones that get my goat are those that can't keep to lanes going on & coming off roundabouts.

Why?? Ffs if your gonna be a dick at least be consistent!!

;-)

Until you get syphoned off up the M6

Is that a euphemism I'm not aware of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?"

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Only if your driving a horse box

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It drives me potty between junc 30 and 28 of the M1, people sit at 60 in the third lane! Absolutely gets on my wick "

It's bad all along the m1. It's like the bemuda triangle between 28 and 31 though. Traffic appears for no reason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I just love the morons who rant and rave and get angry, then commit the same minor infringement somewhere a few miles down the road, whilst having a self belief they never make a mistake.

Get over yourself if that's all that affects you!!!"

I make a distinction between that and inconsiderate, arrogant arse holes who consider everyone else as being in their way.

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By *allen angelzWoman
over a year ago

oxon

unless its around jun 9 m40 then u do what u want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loving this thread...

Reminds me why I stopped driving 60000 miles a year up and down the M6 M1 and round the M25...

It's easy here only two speeds everywhere... 60 mph...or tractor..

But the tractor drivers are a complete pain in the ass....in the outside lane of our only motorway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

I do this all the time as I don't want to drive in the 3rd lane if the driving land (left lane) is free. The looks you get are priceless, also iddle lane hoggers do tend to speed up but as long as I stick to 70mph, I'm not breaking the law!

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

This.

But it really annoys some drivers when you do it. It kind of wakes them up and reminds them to either pull over or speed up.

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By *eather_Loves_SexWoman
over a year ago

Halfway Between London and Brighton

"Just to clarify. Lanes are those dotted white lines on the road that you can arbitrarily drift between without using your indicators or checking in your side mirrors?

Only if you drive a BMW

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or Audi ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do wagons overtake it gets on my fooking tits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Only if your driving a horse box

I can straddle every lane in a horsebox. No bugger is getting past me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do wagons overtake it gets on my fooking tits

Mmmmmm.... wagon wheels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that get my goat are those that can't keep to lanes going on & coming off roundabouts.

Why?? Ffs if your gonna be a dick at least be consistent!!

;-)

Until you get syphoned off up the M6

Is that a euphemism I'm not aware of?

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By *elnkazCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

"DO NOT get me started on this subject !!!! Kaz

Oh but please....let’s get started

"
nooooooo I want to go to sleep tonight!!!

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"I don't even drive and I get road rage on the motorway

That’s pretty dangerous. You need to be in a car or on a motorbike to be on a motorway

I'm sure she's either got speed crutches, or Christos is driving too slowly

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all"
It is a good theory but the motorways are to croeded for this to happen,the motorways are not fit for purpose sadly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

Blimey you northerners really take the north south devide very seriously.

Unfortunately the politicians don't!

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Only if your driving a horse box

I can straddle every lane in a horsebox. No bugger is getting past me

Please come straddle me without your horse box.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It drives me potty between junc 30 and 28 of the M1, people sit at 60 in the third lane! Absolutely gets on my wick "

yep. I live at Junc 28

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By *..TheCurvyPetrolHead...Woman
over a year ago

St Helens

My new game with middle lane drivers is to creep up carefully in lane 1 and sit just slightly behind them. Just so you are in their left mirror and blind spot. Then see how long before they put their foot down.

It's like what Mater in Cars does to tractors in the field!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do wagons overtake it gets on my fooking tits

Mmmmmm.... wagon wheels

Alot smaller

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Only if your driving a horse box

I can straddle every lane in a horsebox. No bugger is getting past me

Please come straddle me without your horse box.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My new game with middle lane drivers is to creep up carefully in lane 1 and sit just slightly behind them. Just so you are in their left mirror and blind spot. Then see how long before they put their foot down.

It's like what Mater in Cars does to tractors in the field!

My favourite game with people who do this is to box them in, wait for a large queue and to then disappear

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By *haky 80Man
over a year ago

Wellington

I worked for a abnormal load company that move the very big, heavy and wide loads use to take up lanes 1&2 and travelling about 20-25mph there was not much traffic in front lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Middle lane hogs can be a bit annoying.

Slow overtakers can be annoying too.

But nobody is more annoying than the total fuckwits who drive up other people's arse."

I love them, I slow to the speed limit, then occasionally give them a blast of screen wash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Middle lane hogs can be a bit annoying.

Slow overtakers can be annoying too.

But nobody is more annoying than the total fuckwits who drive up other people's arse.

I love them, I slow to the speed limit, then occasionally give them a blast of screen wash."

That's very charitable

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Bad driving is dangerous driving. If someone is unable or unwilling to drive safely, such as following the ops simple motorway rule, they should stop driving until they can.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Bad driving is dangerous driving. If someone is unable or unwilling to drive safely, such as following the ops simple motorway rule, they should stop driving until they can."

Not good etiquette if they discover that whist on the M1 though at 140 mph.

Ma ex's mother was a bit too cautious and would never drive on a motorway! How the hell did she even get a licence ffs

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

This is what I do. The number of idiots that sit in the middle lane of the M6 late at night doing 60 when there's no other traffic on the road, no way am I changing lanes 4 times to go round them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

I knew, I do it all the time to the dawdlers. And can I say HGVS should all be limited to 55 and banned from all parts except the left/1st lane!

#justfuckinsayinright!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

Only a fool breaks the 3 second rule

Tru dat

And it was 2 second rule when I passed my test (1990), in cars with crappier brakes too

I passed in 2015 and it was 2 second rule too lol, some instructors are different I suppose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

I knew, I do it all the time to the dawdlers. And can I say HGVS should all be limited to 55 and banned from all parts except the left/1st lane!

#justfuckinsayinright!"

All HGVs are limited to 56 unless they’ve been illegally unlimited which is harder now tacographs are digital

Also most big companies limit to 51 because it saves fuel, unless it’s maritime who limit their trucks to 49

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"also if you are going to overtake for gods sake put your foot down overtake and pull back over to original lane"

No. Go into the overtake lane and drive at a safe speed. If you have to floor it or speed, then you don't need to overtake, the person infront of you is going fast enough.

I hate when I do an overtake of a car going a little slow, it takes a little longer to to do the overtake. And some car comes up behind me and slows down 2 inches away cause he wants to speed all the way home. If I am doing the speed limit in the overtake lane, you shouldnt be able to close in on me.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

I knew, I do it all the time to the dawdlers. And can I say HGVS should all be limited to 55 and banned from all parts except the left/1st lane!

#justfuckinsayinright!"

They need to overtake, what peeves me is they widened sections of the M25 to 4 lanes so now we get 3 lanes of arctics overtaking each other!!

I'd ban them from lanes 3&4 on 4 lane roads.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Whilst this is a bug bear, I don’t think anything winds me up more than tailgaters. Just so effin dangerous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and that was mostly on the m180/m18 stretch

Only a fool breaks the 3 second rule

Tru dat

And it was 2 second rule when I passed my test (1990), in cars with crappier brakes too

I passed in 2015 and it was 2 second rule too lol, some instructors are different I suppose"

A big chunk of stopping distance is reaction time and there’s finishing your text message time to be taken into account now too.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

My biggest gripe is, when using an entry slip onto the motorway, people slow down. Pick your speed up, motorway traffic moves to the right accordingly, letting you onto said motorway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be such an angry person behind the wheel for most of the reasons you all describe. I used to arrive home cranky, high blood pressure, usually with a headache.

Nowadays I've found it much less stressful to just assume every other person on the road is a cockwomble, take defensive measures to ensure I have gaps, anticipate the moron factor, and when someone does the stupid thing, calmly ignore it and adjust my position if needed.

Now I arrive home in a much better frame of mind, whilst inwardly giggling at some of the stupidity I've witnessed.

Driving is a more of a chore today than a pleasure, so why heap more misery and rage upon yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have taken the time to mount dashcam front and rear. 1080p both. It's amazing how often it gets used!

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

I'm on the motorway everyday and the thing that annoys me the most is that I try to leave a decent enough gap between me and the car in front for braking if something happens, but other dickheads constantly cut into that gap forcing me to slam all on, I see red at that point! Usually the cars doing it have BMW or Merc badges on too, funny that...

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane.

S"
I was pulled over for doing that and told that next time it would be points and a fine. So I dont undertake unless on the m25 when the inside lane is the only one that is moving.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong ."

Doing 60 in the middle lane is hardly slow moving so you should not be doing 70 in the left lane and undertaking any car doing 60 in the middle lane that is dangerous and yes you can be stopped for it and it can be legally enforced .

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By *idingout41Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"also if you are going to overtake for gods sake put your foot down overtake and pull back over to original lane

No. Go into the overtake lane and drive at a safe speed. If you have to floor it or speed, then you don't need to overtake, the person infront of you is going fast enough.

How many cars speed up when you overtake them. Cars that constantly speed up and slow down are incredibly irritating especially when you are driving at a constant speed.

Most cars are fitted with cruise control. Why don't people use them?

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

Another motorway/dual carriageway pet hate, HGV's trying to overtake each other and blocking all the lanes even though one is only going half a mph faster than the other so it takes them about 6 miles to get past, it absolutely grips me!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane.

S I was pulled over for doing that and told that next time it would be points and a fine. So I dont undertake unless on the m25 when the inside lane is the only one that is moving. "

Well I asked two cop dads at school & a mate bike cop. The rule of law is that as long as you do not speed or drive erratically it IS NOT against the law. What is against the law is swapping to the inside to undertake a lane hogger & then pulling back out immediately. Its all about observation, closing speed & timing really.

More talking a moving but busy Mway, You are as usual one of the few cars in the left lane, the traffic in the other lanes slows a bit due to volume of lane hoggers, you keep to your set speed, find yourself undertaking a number of cars, that lane then speeds up, you indicate to pull out as you are catching something, you pull out, pull back in & continue.

It would take a lot for a copper to get a conviction on someone doing exactly the right thing on a motorway. Keeping to the left unless overtaking..

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

There's too many cars on the road.

That's the problem.

And it's just going to get worse.

The government's obsession with turning every motorway into a 'smart motorway' and continuing to have an archaic seventy miles an hour speed limit, only exacerbates the problem.,

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By *ornylittlesubWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

Used to think I was one of the drivers that DIDN'T have this thing, "road rage", I was wrong....especially on motorways, but not confined to...now I even have road rage when I am in the passenger seat! Oh dear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't use motorways...

I don't really need to go far....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face it the speed limit is 70mph on motorways but we all really know the fast lane tends to do over this. What pisses me off is people who sit in the fast lane doing dead on 70mph in their whollier than tho attitude and don't pull over to let faster cars past. Before anyone says they're sticking to the law yes I know they are but we are all grown ups on here and know the speeds people now drive at. 70mph needs reviewing upwards as cars have got much faster than when it was introduced. My cars limited to 155mph but I'd never push it to that but I could easily cruise at 100mph if allowed....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another motorway/dual carriageway pet hate, HGV's trying to overtake each other and blocking all the lanes even though one is only going half a mph faster than the other so it takes them about 6 miles to get past, it absolutely grips me!

This exactly the A14 is a prime case and even in the areas clearly marked as no hgv overtaking they still do it normally whilst on their mobile, eating a sandwich or pouring a brew out!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First lane is always the empty one on the m25.

To be fair on the M25 the inside up to 3 lanes, are often going somewhere else... or the exit queue as they often end up being.

Also on many motorways the middle lane is full of people doing 71mph because the left lane is already full of people doing 69mph.

Just use tollerence and understanding, get where you are going safe and unstressed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's face it the speed limit is 70mph on motorways but we all really know the fast lane tends to do over this. What pisses me off is people who sit in the fast lane doing dead on 70mph in their whollier than tho attitude and don't pull over to let faster cars past. Before anyone says they're sticking to the law yes I know they are but we are all grown ups on here and know the speeds people now drive at. 70mph needs reviewing upwards as cars have got much faster than when it was introduced. My cars limited to 155mph but I'd never push it to that but I could easily cruise at 100mph if allowed...."

This

Driving at 70 miles an hour on the dot while the person you are overtaking is doing the same. 15 minutes later you are still "overtaking" and there is a queue of cars behind you...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

The country has spent what seems like a hundred years expanding to 4 lanes at £9 zillion, to ease congestion. The end result is people just spread out over the four lanes, leaving the outside lane bumper to bumper at 70mph and the other two half full and the inside lane nearly empty.

Are public lashing and the stocks still valid punishments??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk."

Then there are the people in the left lane that dont realise you follow the curve of the road at a island and go straight and cut you up when you are trying to go around the island and they are going across the island grrrrrrr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always drive with the white line in the centre of the car with both resr doors open to stop dangerous overtakers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk.

Yeah apparently once you get to a roundabout the lines on the road are for decorative purposes only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Undertaking is against the code, the only time you are allowed to is when the outer lane is either queuing or slow moving (60 mph on a motorway doesn't count as slow moving)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

Think about it ? If I'm doing 70 in the inside lane with a car doing 60 but not over taking in the overtaking middle lane then why should I have to go all the way round them to the outside lane and pull back after overtaking to the inside lane ?????

Given up doing that if someone is dangerously driving in the middle lane because they believe they aren't driving slow ??? Then a undertake normally shames them into pulling over to the correct lane !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the subject of undertaking.

I find that motorways with the hard shoulder as a lane are the worst example.

The signs clearly say use hardshoulder and nobody does.

So with traffic at 60 anyone using the hardshoulder would be classed as undertaking in the examples above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

There's not lawfully wrong about doing 60 in the middle lane, just because it annoys your doesnt mean you can break a rule yourself. The speed limit is exactly that a top limit, not a target and not a speed you're required to drive. If there's another lane outside of them to overtake move safely to that 1 and use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On the subject of undertaking.

I find that motorways with the hard shoulder as a lane are the worst example.

The signs clearly say use hardshoulder and nobody does.

So with traffic at 60 anyone using the hardshoulder would be classed as undertaking in the examples above

When they built the M5 they stopped at Exeter as the 2 lane dual carriageway to Plymouth didn't have room for a hard shoulder, and without that safety zone it couldn't be classed as a motorway.

So is the M25 now the A25?

Seriously though the hard shoulder use is only good for regular users who know the road, all to often it suddenly becomes a filter lane for an exit. If you don't know where that will happen it can leave you in a very dangerous place even if nobody breaks down.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I asked a police motorcycle instructor this very point on a motorcycle course, his reply was, and I quote, "if your lane is clear and there is a person/persons in a lane/lanes to your right travelling at slower speeds, you are perfectly entitled to carry on your journey in your own lane"

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

Nothing lawfully wrong with doing sixty in the middle lane - correct, but if I or anyone else can undertake you then you are breaking the law as you are lane hogging. There is only one driving lane on ANY road, the others are for overtaking only..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On the subject of undertaking.

I find that motorways with the hard shoulder as a lane are the worst example.

The signs clearly say use hardshoulder and nobody does.

So with traffic at 60 anyone using the hardshoulder would be classed as undertaking in the examples above

When they built the M5 they stopped at Exeter as the 2 lane dual carriageway to Plymouth didn't have room for a hard shoulder, and without that safety zone it couldn't be classed as a motorway.

So is the M25 now the A25?

You don’t need to know the road, there’s giant repeater signs above all 4 lanes every few hundred meters telling you to use it

Most people ignore it regardless and just use the three usual lanes

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"I asked a police motorcycle instructor this very point on a motorcycle course, his reply was, and I quote, "if your lane is clear and there is a person/persons in a lane/lanes to your right travelling at slower speeds, you are perfectly entitled to carry on your journey in your own lane""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was pulled for doing just this and by a motorcycle policeman.. warned and no further action but.

And to be fair there are a few differences for cars over bikes. Just asked the nixe policeman doing traffic control at one of the kids school. He said the middle lane slow car could now get a ticket and points for not moving over.. but if you undertake it could be classed as dangerous driving and you will be done for it.

So I will carry on for the most going around and across lanes to get past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was pulled for doing just this and by a motorcycle policeman.. warned and no further action but.

So I will carry on for the most going around and across lanes to get past. "

If I were a motorcycle policeman I would have pulled you over too. Let you off with a verbal warning in exchange for your number....

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

It is extremely satisfying (at night on more or less empty motorways) to drive up to the middle lane pillock in the inside lane, indicate and move right across to the fast lane in one movement, overtake and then do the same in reverse, preferably as close to them as safely possible.

I estimate that only about 50% of them then wake up and realise they are in the wrong and move over.

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk.

Yeah apparently once you get to a roundabout the lines on the road are for decorative purposes only."

I HATE being in the wrong lane, but at many roundabouts (and I'm talking when you are unfamiliar with the road in question) you don't know you're in the wrong lane until it's too late as cars are queuing on top of the markings. They need overhead signs these days with the volume of traffic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On the subject of undertaking.

I find that motorways with the hard shoulder as a lane are the worst example.

The signs clearly say use hardshoulder and nobody does.

So with traffic at 60 anyone using the hardshoulder would be classed as undertaking in the examples above

When they built the M5 they stopped at Exeter as the 2 lane dual carriageway to Plymouth didn't have room for a hard shoulder, and without that safety zone it couldn't be classed as a motorway.

So is the M25 now the A25?

You don’t need to know the road, there’s giant repeater signs above all 4 lanes every few hundred meters telling you to use it

Most people ignore it regardless and just use the three usual lanes

Yep then 200 yds before the junction the repeater signs say left 2 lanes are going to Slough.... would be bad enough to get tricked into visiting Milton Keynes, but Slough....

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I was pulled for doing just this and by a motorcycle policeman.. warned and no further action but.

So I will carry on for the most going around and across lanes to get past. "

We were told I was the same for bikes or cars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk.

Yeah apparently once you get to a roundabout the lines on the road are for decorative purposes only.

There are two different scenarios.

1) You didn't know the right lane to be in because there was a car over the road marking. I have no quarrel with that.

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

"We were told I was the same for bikes or cars

Essentially it is, but bikes are allowed to filter through between lanes which clearly is impossible for cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway it's my bloody road, what the hell are you all doing on it...

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk.

Yeah apparently once you get to a roundabout the lines on the road are for decorative purposes only.

There are two different scenarios.

1) You didn't know the right lane to be in because there was a car over the road marking. I have no quarrel with that.

You're right, but it's still really annoying when you are in situation 1 yourself. In reality if you're going left or right you can be fairly certain you are in the correct lane, even not knowing the road, it's the variety of 'straight ahead' local differences that cause the problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the dicks you undertake were in the correct lane doing the correct speed and not daydreaming or chatting or on their phones etc there would be no need for any undertaking. I've heard people saying they hog the middle lane coz they feel safer!!! If that's the case they really shouldn't be on a motorway at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Multiple choice:

You get to the roundabout. You pick the lane ...

A) That has an arrow that points in the direction you're headed.

B) Has the least cars in. You can cut across two lanes of traffic and risk an accident provided it gets you one car ahead.

Does B not come with a fix penalty and 3 points now?

B can kill people or at least cause a serious accident. But apparently if it can get you one car ahead it's worth the risk.

Yeah apparently once you get to a roundabout the lines on the road are for decorative purposes only.

There are two different scenarios.

1) You didn't know the right lane to be in because there was a car over the road marking. I have no quarrel with that.

2) The boy racer who sees the one lane is empty and decides he can shoot in front of the other traffic and pick any lane. He ASSUMES his accelleration beats anyone on the road and just comes across without even looking. "
dont stereotype the boy racer as its for me mostly just your average car that does this... and if your in even a slightly sporty car you get people trying to not let you in.. even if the road markings say filter in turn

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

Because that is what you are meant to do unless you are in slow moving traffic, you can be nicked for it

" Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences."

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

Because that is what you are meant to do unless you are in slow moving traffic, you can be nicked for it

" Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences.""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Call me claustrophobic but I find it rather disconcerting when in my peripheral vision I find that the guy in the lane next to mine is coming over and we now need to share a lane side by side.

How indignant they are when you hoot at them to wake them from their slumber and remind them that they aren't the only person on the road!

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By *atesheadtwoCouple
over a year ago

Gateshead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"also if you are going to overtake for gods sake put your foot down overtake and pull back over to original lane

I have a difference of opinion here. I don’t care what speed you are doing in the overtaking lanes, as long as you are overtaking. But lane hoggers I can’t stand"

You can't overtake if you don't put your foot down ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

Cortext

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not illegal to undertake in the correct manner ....trust me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

Because that is what you are meant to do unless you are in slow moving traffic, you can be nicked for it

" Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences."

It's never agressive ! Given the speeds that some can travel in the outside lanes if I decided to go out into the outside lane then back to the inside lane after overtaking most would think I'm an idiot !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not illegal to undertake in the correct manner ....trust me "
tell that to the traffic officer that pulled Me over

The correct manner is same as for filtering... and at similar speeds... not at 60mph plus

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Not as much as the people who will think you an idiot for undertaking.

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over a year ago

"It's not illegal to undertake in the correct manner ....trust me tell that to the traffic officer that pulled Me over

The correct manner is same as for filtering... and at similar speeds... not at 60mph plus "

Ok how about this....

You're in the left hand lane going 70. A person comes past you on the right at 79. Then that person slows down to 65. Should you put on brakes to avoid going past them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if undertaking was illegal lanes 1 and 2 would never move lol

driving eratically from lane to lane , swerving in and out , yes , illegal , undertaking , no, not illegal

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over a year ago

"It's not illegal to undertake in the correct manner ....trust me tell that to the traffic officer that pulled Me over

The correct manner is same as for filtering... and at similar speeds... not at 60mph plus

Ok how about this....

You're in the left hand lane going 70. A person comes past you on the right at 79. Then that person slows down to 65. Should you put on brakes to avoid going past them?"
if they started to slow down. I would pull over and into the outside lane and move back over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not illegal to undertake in the correct manner ....trust me tell that to the traffic officer that pulled Me over

The correct manner is same as for filtering... and at similar speeds... not at 60mph plus

Ok how about this....

You're in the left hand lane going 70. A person comes past you on the right at 79. Then that person slows down to 65. Should you put on brakes to avoid going past them? if they started to slow down. I would pull over and into the outside lane and move back over."

So when the truck way ahead of me decides to overtake and blocks up the right hand lane I need to slow down even though there is nothing in front of me and I'm driving below the speed limit. Ok.

I still say that bike cop pulled you over because of your looks and just needed an excuse.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"Undertaking is only permitted if the vehicles in front of you or to your right are queueing or slow moving .

Undertaking for the sheer hell of it can be considered as careless driving or dangerous driving . these are offences and can be legally enforced

That is the law and fact .

To say any kind of undertaking is OK is totally wrong .

Because that is what you are meant to do unless you are in slow moving traffic, you can be nicked for it

" Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences."

Since when has driving in the correct lane doing a legal speed been classed as "An aggressive or reckless manor"?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I have just googled undertaking and there are some really scary videos showing what happens when people do it. I suppose reckless is a word that can be used for that, I like the word idiotic more though

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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PS...yes OP, nothing more annoying than an idiot cruising in the middle lane and not even passing trucks, the amount of times I had to overtake them in the last few months is untrue. Sadly they always seem to be women or old people who do it.

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By *r Costa xxMan
over a year ago

stirling

New stretch of M8 motorway at eurocentral seems to have an invisible inside lane, nobody feckin uses it, urghh!!!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"if undertaking was illegal lanes 1 and 2 would never move lol

driving eratically from lane to lane , swerving in and out , yes , illegal , undertaking , no, not illegal"

Ergo what I do in my car is not illegal, what I do on my bike however the less said the better, suffice to say by the time most have seen my headlight in their mirror they are usually then looking at my taillight disappear into the distance through the windscreen. Which for me is much much safer than sitting in between cars with bored/ratty/stressed drivers at any speed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is against the highway code to undertake except in slow moving traffic.

And they can do you for dangerous driving for doing so if spotted..

I shall continue for the most part to deal with the middle lane morons by moving over... safely overtaking and moving back across to the lane I was in. It's a pain... but I need my licence to stay clean x

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

Old people: Ensure you don't fall off the edge of the motorway by driving very slowly in the middle lane at all times.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

This from the Highway Code (Google the phrase 'Can you overtake on the nearside of another vehicle?' if you don't believe me)...

Overtaking on the nearside (left) is legally acceptable if you are driving on a multi-lane carriageway in congested conditions, and the lane to the left is moving at a faster speed than lanes to the right. In these circumstances overtaking on the left is permissible although extra caution is needed for an awareness of other vehicles moving to the faster lane on the left.

It is also permissible to overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right. Overtaking on the left in these circumstances although permissible is subject to road markings and signs that may suggest otherwise.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"PS...yes OP, nothing more annoying than an idiot cruising in the middle lane and not even passing trucks, the amount of times I had to overtake them in the last few months is untrue. Sadly they always seem to be women or old people who do it."

Me too, The first vid that came up was a last minute lane swopping twat! A good one though was the dual carriageway away from the lights, guy pulls away in left lane two cars & a van go past all while the guy is accelerating up to the speed limit, with nothing in front of it the van begins to slow its acceleration and is undertaken by dashcam car.

Nothing wrong in that as far as I'm concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with the highway code is that it runs on the premis that other road users are obeying the rules. Since the statistics seem to indicate that over 40% of uk drivers drive illegally in the middle lane yet this goes virtually unpoliced, perhaps there should be a second highway code to tell us which offenses the police will enforce and which they will turn a blind eye to.

I'm quite happy to overtake on the right but there is usually person in the righthand lane also illegally claiming for themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure that there is a law which states that the police can punish slow drivers ? By that law I wonder how many have actually been prosecuted for going to slow ?

My main thing on this is some of the people who insist on driving at 60 or slower for better fuel economy on motorways making trucks have to overtake them are surely going too slow for the road ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should just resort to all driving mad max style vehicles and sort out any road related issues that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I firmly believe that the future of traffic enforcement will be similar to dash cams. Cars will have built in dashcams and you will be able to press a button in your car that sends the clip to the police.

People would eventually think twice about driving recklessly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure that there is a law which states that the police can punish slow drivers ? By that law I wonder how many have actually been prosecuted for going to slow ?

My main thing on this is some of the people who insist on driving at 60 or slower for better fuel economy on motorways making trucks have to overtake them are surely going too slow for the road ?? "
if it's 70 that's just the maximum speed...think 50 is the minimum on a motorway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of attitudes to driving are too funny.

Instead of appreciating the convenience and time saved thanks to modern cars, people get angry that they're delayed by a few seconds.

And instead of moving to an overtaking lane, people will undertake - not because it's safe, but because it's simply too much effort to move to another couple of lanes

The sooner they get computers driving them, the better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of attitudes to driving are too funny.

Instead of appreciating the convenience and time saved thanks to modern cars, people get angry that they're delayed by a few seconds.

And instead of moving to an overtaking lane, people will undertake - not because it's safe, but because it's simply too much effort to move to another couple of lanes

The sooner they get computers driving them, the better

Cos computers don't make mistooks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of attitudes to driving are too funny.

Instead of appreciating the convenience and time saved thanks to modern cars, people get angry that they're delayed by a few seconds.

And instead of moving to an overtaking lane, people will undertake - not because it's safe, but because it's simply too much effort to move to another couple of lanes

The sooner they get computers driving them, the better

Cos computers don't make mistooks

They don't have sensitive egos... (yet)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no 2 if you can see the car behind you, you don't need your blinding rear fog lights switched on!

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all

Have you spent much time on the M25?

Ah yes, the worlds longest car park. It appears you southerners forget the number 1 rule

First lane is always the empty one on the m25.

It's only empty if "I'm not using my lane" (no I'm not a lorry driver, just read the traffic very well) I sit at a steady speed making progress and alot of the time get to my destination much faster than the "o so important people" in the overtaking lanes all thinking the same thing, pull over so I can get past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think eventually the entire country will be average speed cameras and no one will be rushing anywhere.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

another one, please stop, going slow 60-65 then, you overtake 70 they then decide to floor it and speed off at 75-80 before 1 minute later drop back down to 65 and come back to the same situation a entire journey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"another one, please stop, going slow 60-65 then, you overtake 70 they then decide to floor it and speed off at 75-80 before 1 minute later drop back down to 65 and come back to the same situation a entire journey. "

Uphill - 60-65

Downhill - 75-80

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By *aren grantTV/TS
over a year ago

kyle

"How many of you know that undertaking is not illegal?

IE. You are pootling along 70mph in the left lane & you are approaching Mr/Mrs daydreamer doing 60ish in the middle.

Just keep going at your own pace in the left lane. As long as you are not lane swapping erratically or causing other vehicles to brake when you do need to change lanes you are not breaking any laws.

S"
Not true, I was doing exactky as you describe on the M6 a few years ago which cost me a £70 fine and 3 points on my license.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless your on a motorbike !

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Nothing wrong in that as far as I'm concerned.

If the van he is undertaking doesn't see the car as it is in it's blindspot, I am guessing that might not end well, would you think that was ok?"

If the van he is undertaking doesn't see the car as it is in it's blindspot and moves to the inside lane, I am guessing that might not end well. I guess the car was lucky...this time

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

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"Apparently this goes over some people’s head.

Number 1 rule of the motorway

If you are not overtaking, please stay as far left as possible. That’s what the left hand lane is for, the rest are overtaking lanes...key word....overtaking!

That is all"

I think the number 1 rule is don't drive up the slip road at 30mph and think you can just blend and speed up- get yer fekin foot down, thats what the slip road is for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if am driving down the m-way at 95.in that case am in the 3rd lane in the very early hours nothing in the middle and wagon in the 1st lane, better to be out the way then if anything pulls out am out the way # justsaying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think eventually the entire country will be average speed cameras and no one will be rushing anywhere."

more likely wi-fi on your ecu ... you know, so they can know all your movements ... and it would be cheaper for the government because it's you who would be paying for it

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Nothing wrong in that as far as I'm concerned.

If the van he is undertaking doesn't see the car as it is in it's blindspot and moves to the inside lane, I am guessing that might not end well. I guess the car was lucky...this time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

de ja vu

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I firmly believe that the future of traffic enforcement will be similar to dash cams. Cars will have built in dashcams and you will be able to press a button in your car that sends the clip to the police.

People would eventually think twice about driving recklessly."

And what suddenly gives joe public the right to grass on fellow motorists?? The clip would only show the offence not what lead up to it like maybe dash cam man hogging a lane and pissing everyone off travelling behind them?! No place or time for grasses sorry

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What if am driving down the m-way at 95.in that case am in the 3rd lane in the very early hours nothing in the middle and wagon in the 1st lane, better to be out the way then if anything pulls out am out the way # justsaying "

It’s amazing how people think the rules change in the early hours of the morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People would eventually think twice about driving recklessly.

Worked well in the 30's for Hitler and Stalin and perfected by the Stazzi between 50's & 80's

Plus the police could be self funding by selling the best clips to car crash tv. Result...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People would eventually think twice about driving recklessly.

Worked well in the 30's for Hitler and Stalin and perfected by the Stazzi between 50's & 80's

Plus the police could be self funding by selling the best clips to car crash tv. Result...

yeah I mean let's not support the judicial system by " grassin" but moan it's shite then take matters into our own hands because we know better

I hate that expression...grass.

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By *ammyDodgaMan
over a year ago

Nottingham/and everywhere my location says i am ;)

It's our friends in German Cars that drive me mad.. My van is going as fast as it can, I am in the motion of overtaking and they just love to kiss the arse end of the van/swerving from side to side in some vain effort of entitlement that I should move....

Erm, nope when I can move I will, but carry on and your car will look a whole lot worse than mine when the cat stepped in front an I had to brake suddenly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's our friends in German Cars that drive me mad.. My van is going as fast as it can, I am in the motion of overtaking and they just love to kiss the arse end of the van/swerving from side to side in some vain effort of entitlement that I should move....

Erm, nope when I can move I will, but carry on and your car will look a whole lot worse than mine when the cat stepped in front an I had to brake suddenly

Cos you thought it was a dog or a child obviously as you are not allowed to put other road users at risk for a cat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I see someone driving extremely fast,I just think that wherever they have just left,people couldn't wait to get rid of them and wherever they are going,nobody will wait for them.

Me,of course,I am worth waiting for so I take my time,keep my speed down and have a relaxing,stress free journey with half a mile of empty road in front of me because everyone else is in the other lanes fighting for position.

It's not a race,enjoy the scenery and chill.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Erm, nope when I can move I will, but carry on and your car will look a whole lot worse than mine when the cat stepped in front an I had to brake suddenly

Cos you thought it was a dog or a child obviously as you are not allowed to put other road users at risk for a cat

Or a dog by the looks of it. I am sure most people would slam on if anything ran out in front of them though without thinking they shouldn't be

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