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"Don quite get wot you meen op.
So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ??????? "They have real drag queens going into schools to raise kids awareness of gender fluidity and teaching them songs about dressing up as women . There barely out of nappies ffs!! | |||
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So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ??????? "More the concept that boys can like boys & girls can like girls and that everyone's choices are ok. I do think it's a bit complicated for a two year old, but education is the key to understanding and acceptance. Cal | |||
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"Erm...2 years olds don't attend primary school...that starts at 7... "I meant nursery lol . My bad  | |||
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"The world we live in... it's like the two 5 year olds talking and the one tells the other that he found a condom on the patio.... and the other screws up his face and asks "what's a patio?""  | |||
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"Erm...2 years olds don't attend primary school...that starts at 7... "5 and sometimes 4 depending on birthdays, not 7. | |||
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"Erm...2 years olds don't attend primary school...that starts at 7... I meant nursery lol . My bad "I would imagine it's false information...I know some examples primary schools are including it alongside sex education, but to be honest, I think that's a good thing...they're generally not taught these things until the age of 10/11 and as these things are much more present now it's something that should be approached. Kids should be taught to be open minded and non judgemental. | |||
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"Erm...2 years olds don't attend primary school...that starts at 7...
5 and sometimes 4 depending on birthdays, not 7. "My bad...that's true! I went to an infants and juniors rather than primary and was thinking of the latter. | |||
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"Don quite get wot you meen op.
So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ???????
More the concept that boys can like boys & girls can like girls and that everyone's choices are ok.
I do think it's a bit complicated for a two year old, but education is the key to understanding and acceptance.
Cal"Ok i got it now. I don't no wot to think of it then. On 1 side education is important. And wen thay grow up thay won't be so juge mentall on same sex cupalls. But on the other side how meney 2 year olds are realey interested in the opposite sex. girls and boys. If anything this may incurrige them to grow up wanting to be with the same sex. | |||
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So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ???????
More the concept that boys can like boys & girls can like girls and that everyone's choices are ok.
I do think it's a bit complicated for a two year old, but education is the key to understanding and acceptance.
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So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ??????? They have real drag queens going into schools to raise kids awareness of gender fluidity and teaching them songs about dressing up as women . There barely out of nappies ffs!!"That wasn't a drag queen. Some lady teachers have deep voices and facial hair! | |||
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"Erm...2 years olds don't attend primary school...that starts at 7... "Sum bording schools do take students from 2 years old. I no I've worked in 2 of them. | |||
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" If anything this may incurrige them to grow up wanting to be with the same sex. " It may confuse them about being straight,bloody hell it's a minefield | |||
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So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ??????? They have real drag queens going into schools to raise kids awareness of gender fluidity and teaching them songs about dressing up as women . There barely out of nappies ffs!!
That wasn't a drag queen. Some lady teachers have deep voices and facial hair! "and hairy chests  | |||
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"I would rather my kids waited until they understood about body differences and that before trying to drum it into their heads so young. I feel it'd confuse them and while if my son(6) came out as gender fluid/lgbt I wouldn't give a damn and support him to no end I would tell him to wait until he was older to start dressing up etc. It's getting rediculous this gender neutral stuff. Let little boys be little boys if they want to pick stuff from a girls isle so be it and vice versa. While I have a very girly girl(1yo) and boyish boy(6) I always let them pick what they want not what I want them in or playing with "^ This is spot on . | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not." | |||
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" If anything this may incurrige them to grow up wanting to be with the same sex. It may confuse them about being straight,bloody hell it's a minefield "Ezakley. | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not." Not sure who said it's forcing kids to be gay it wasn't me . It's just too young to be taught any of this . It's confusing kids who can barely comprehend the world yet let alone acceptance and understanding of these issues !! | |||
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 I personally think it would be amazing if we were making open minded free thinking kids instead of the other kind. | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not." Well I never forced homophobia or transphobic on my Thai kindergarten... The difference is we learned brothers Grimm, ABC, classroom objects, sight words, games, nursery rhymes... Gender politics and Marxism were not really an issue at that age... No liberals were telling them thay were pollydemihemisapiozevonsexuals... They were just learning to do normal kid things. I have no hope for modern western children and families... The Asians are all making Samsung Sony Kia and robots... They get degrees in real subjects... Britain's children will either be in the dole or working in the service industry... ^^^^they are fucking wierdos... | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not. Not sure who said it's forcing kids to be gay it wasn't me . It's just too young to be taught any of this . It's confusing kids who can barely comprehend the world yet let alone acceptance and understanding of these issues !!" It's too young to be taught that it's OK to be different? They're not getting taught about sex changes or anything like that , by the sounds of it. Just tolerance and understanding. So basically totally not a big deal at all, just people looking to make a fuss about anything that sounds even slightly unusual to them. | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not. Not sure who said it's forcing kids to be gay it wasn't me . It's just too young to be taught any of this . It's confusing kids who can barely comprehend the world yet let alone acceptance and understanding of these issues !!" By the sounds of it this is either a Daily Fail story or one doing the rounds on FB for, as an earlier poster put it, the eternally outraged. It doesn't sound to me, from what Riversong said above like the kids are being "taught" anything as such - more having balanced stories read to them by a man who dresses as a woman, and in an environment where parents choose to take them, so it's not forced on them in any way at all. Taking it back to basics is that any different from kids seeing a pantomime dame? | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not. Well I never forced homophobia or transphobic on my Thai kindergarten... The difference is we learned brothers Grimm, ABC, classroom objects, sight words, games, nursery rhymes... Gender politics and Marxism were not really an issue at that age... No liberals were telling them thay were pollydemihemisapiozevonsexuals... They were just learning to do normal kid things. I have no hope for modern western children and families... The Asians are all making Samsung Sony Kia and robots... They get degrees in real subjects... Britain's children will either be in the dole or working in the service industry... ^^^^they are fucking wierdos... " hear hear! | |||
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""Binary non hetro" what? Eh? That's abit too advance for kindergarten/primary school ^^^atleast teach them how to sit in a chair and hold a crayon! Half the women in Britain are shit mother's don't tell me you know anything about educating infants!" There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you... | |||
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"Erm...2 years olds don't attend primary school...that starts at 7... "5 here. | |||
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"I always thought male/female couples were "normal"? According to nature anyway? Wouldn't be many animals about if that wasn't the case surely? If not normal then what? Abnormal? " What are you even arguing against, or for? | |||
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""Binary non hetro" what? Eh? That's abit too advance for kindergarten/primary school ^^^atleast teach them how to sit in a chair and hold a crayon! Half the women in Britain are shit mother's don't tell me you know anything about educating infants! There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you... "he does seem to have issues with it... and is love to know where he gets his info from. | |||
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"Don't make straight relationships the 'normal'. " ^this^ | |||
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"Whatrver age it is right to discuss the birds and the bees is right to also discuss options and diversity. I don't know what that age is but it isn't 2. Nursery is when you learn that holding a paintbrush works better if you hold it like a pen and not the other end and not much more!" | |||
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"Whatrver age it is right to discuss the birds and the bees is right to also discuss options and diversity. I don't know what that age is but it isn't 2. Nursery is when you learn that holding a paintbrush works better if you hold it like a pen and not the other end and not much more!" agree with you. Although my granddaughters pre school has had to address that one of the children has 2 dads. | |||
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"There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you... "When you work in schools you work with people's children.. Some of them have dirty uniforms, they miss days, that are unwashed, badly behaved or tell you things about their home life you would rather not hear. Same when your neighbours downstairs are a jeromy kyle couple who stink of skunk. As a teacher you must be above all that and open to ruthless criticism and rules. As a teacher I could not say what I want to say about parents....but they are open to criticise me... You get children in the class who are being abused/neglected at home... They can't catch up with work they miss...that can't socialise with other children propperly... ^^^^and it's never the parents fault... | |||
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"There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you...
When you work in schools you work with people's children..
Some of them have dirty uniforms, they miss days, that are unwashed, badly behaved or tell you things about their home life you would rather not hear.
Same when your neighbours downstairs are a jeromy kyle couple who stink of skunk.
As a teacher you must be above all that and open to ruthless criticism and rules.
As a teacher I could not say what I want to say about parents....but they are open to criticise me...
You get children in the class who are being abused/neglected at home...
They can't catch up with work they miss...that can't socialise with other children propperly...
^^^^and it's never the parents fault..."I don't doubt some parents are utterly useless....but half of just the mothers is a ridiculous generalisation... | |||
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"Don't make straight relationships the 'normal'. ^this^" What that means is, don't make straight relationships the only thing that matters. Don't treat LGBTQ people as if their relationships are abnormal or unusual or inferior. Don't only talk and teach about straight relationships. Don't only have straight people in films, TV, other media. It's not that hard. | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . Now I've nothing against anyone being who they want to be , but teaching 2 year olds about it !! Sorry that's wrong !! What's your opinion forumites ?? " Hey have you heard what australia is doing with the "Safe schools" inititive? I mean this is text book indoxtrination, and worse yet on something that the child doesnt and isnt capibal of understanding even in at its most basic level I mean shit im a veey intelligemt man and i dont know what the fuck they mean by "gender fluid" like you just wake up day today and decide "im going to be paul today, i might be paula tomorrow, or i might just decide to be an apachie hellocoptor and have everyone call me it" Gender fluid is utter bullshit Like the people who claim to be Asexual and the rest of the 74 new bullshit genders | |||
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"It's a total non story. It's not forcing 2 year olds to be gay! It is a drag queen who reads stories to a play group, that their parents chose to attend with their little one. The stories have a theme such as it's ok to be different and generally promoting acceptance. With the amount of homophobia/transphobia in society and youngsters struggling with their sexuality, I see projects like this as a good thing. If my kids were younger I'd have taken them to something like this. Fortunately I raised mine in an environment of love and acceptance, not something every parent sees as a priority, hence projects like this hitting the news and being twisted into something they are not. Not sure who said it's forcing kids to be gay it wasn't me . It's just too young to be taught any of this . It's confusing kids who can barely comprehend the world yet let alone acceptance and understanding of these issues !! It's too young to be taught that it's OK to be different? They're not getting taught about sex changes or anything like that , by the sounds of it. Just tolerance and understanding. So basically totally not a big deal at all, just people looking to make a fuss about anything that sounds even slightly unusual to them. " Finally 2 very sensible posts! My children are all older now, but I would have had no issues with tolerance and acceptance being introduced to them in this way. Unfortunately not all parents bother with this and pass on their own bigotries to their offspring. The sooner we start showing younger generations that it's ok to be different, to dress how you want and love who you want, then the better our world will be. | |||
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"Shit mother's? I used to have Facebook! There are some really loony mum's about... ^^^^don't worry! I am best friends with the ladys at the "sure start"...one word from me and your kids bellong to the state! Better start looking after them propperly and don't piss me off."  | |||
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"I don't doubt some parents are utterly useless....but half of just the mothers is a ridiculous generalisation..." Facebook rochdale They all look old and have 3 kids by different dads age 21. | |||
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"Shit mother's? I used to have Facebook! There are some really loony mum's about... ^^^^don't worry! I am best friends with the ladys at the "sure start"...one word from me and your kids bellong to the state! Better start looking after them propperly and don't piss me off." Hilarious! | |||
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So thay are teaching 2 year olds its ok to be gay ??????? They have real drag queens going into schools to raise kids awareness of gender fluidity and teaching them songs about dressing up as women . There barely out of nappies ffs!!
That wasn't a drag queen. Some lady teachers have deep voices and facial hair!
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" I mean shit im a veey intelligemt man and i dont know what the fuck they mean by "gender fluid" like you just wake up day today and decide "im going to be paul today, i might be paula tomorrow, or i might just decide to be an apachie hellocoptor and have everyone call me it"" Yes, you sound very intelligent indeed. | |||
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"There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you...
When you work in schools you work with people's children..
Some of them have dirty uniforms, they miss days, that are unwashed, badly behaved or tell you things about their home life you would rather not hear.
Same when your neighbours downstairs are a jeromy kyle couple who stink of skunk.
As a teacher you must be above all that and open to ruthless criticism and rules.
As a teacher I could not say what I want to say about parents....but they are open to criticise me...
You get children in the class who are being abused/neglected at home...
They can't catch up with work they miss...that can't socialise with other children propperly...
^^^^and it's never the parents fault..."wow. I'd hate to have you as one of my kids teachers.... Yes you get children from neglected homes and problem families but not half.. and what about the kids who don't socialise because the other kids bully them. And although the parent has repeatedly took this up with school its not dealt with.. ( basically because they don't have the time or the resources.. or in rare occasions.. don't care) The parents aren't there to criticise you as a teacher either. Yes they can give feedback which I've only in all my years once felt the need to complain against a teacher and that was me and the rest of a MAT team as we were all appalled by his actions and comments towards a parent. I think if it's your job and it causes you this much angst then new carer would be advisable. To op. I really don't think that at 2 kids really understand much about gender. It's all getting way to pc everywhere these days x | |||
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"Shit mother's? I used to have Facebook! There are some really loony mum's about... ^^^^don't worry! I am best friends with the ladys at the "sure start"...one word from me and your kids bellong to the state! Better start looking after them propperly and don't piss me off." Sure dude. Your friends at sure start hold your opinion in such high regard that they'll take peoples' children away from them at your command. Regardless of the legality. Sounds totally legit! | |||
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"I don't doubt some parents are utterly useless....but half of just the mothers is a ridiculous generalisation... Facebook rochdale They all look old and have 3 kids by different dads age 21." and that is an issue how???? Your comments have you come across in a shocking light.... the sure start comment.. Just wow. As someone that got maliciously reported to social services numerous times a few years back ( cleared 100% and no fault found) I take real offence of some of what you say. | |||
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"I don't doubt some parents are utterly useless....but half of just the mothers is a ridiculous generalisation... Facebook rochdale They all look old and have 3 kids by different dads age 21. and that is an issue how???? Your comments have you come across in a shocking light.... the sure start comment.. Just wow. As someone that got maliciously reported to social services numerous times a few years back ( cleared 100% and no fault found) I take real offence of some of what you say. " Tell it to the judge | |||
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"There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you...
When you work in schools you work with people's children..
Some of them have dirty uniforms, they miss days, that are unwashed, badly behaved or tell you things about their home life you would rather not hear.
Same when your neighbours downstairs are a jeromy kyle couple who stink of skunk.
As a teacher you must be above all that and open to ruthless criticism and rules.
As a teacher I could not say what I want to say about parents....but they are open to criticise me...
You get children in the class who are being abused/neglected at home...
They can't catch up with work they miss...that can't socialise with other children propperly...
^^^^and it's never the parents fault... wow. I'd hate to have you as one of my kids teachers....
Yes you get children from neglected homes and problem families but not half.. and what about the kids who don't socialise because the other kids bully them. And although the parent has repeatedly took this up with school its not dealt with.. ( basically because they don't have the time or the resources.. or in rare occasions.. don't care)
The parents aren't there to criticise you as a teacher either. Yes they can give feedback which I've only in all my years once felt the need to complain against a teacher and that was me and the rest of a MAT team as we were all appalled by his actions and comments towards a parent.
I think if it's your job and it causes you this much angst then new carer would be advisable.
To op. I really don't think that at 2 kids really understand much about gender. It's all getting way to pc everywhere these days x"Your kids are "bullying eachother" Fucking hell! My Thai classes never bullied eachother! It's because the British education system is so fucking toxic and rules by the opinions of Marxist teaching unions and proliteriate yummy mummy PTA associations with bizzare government regulations.... Kids in thailand never bully eachother and that have respect... I rarely had to manage bad behaviour in the classroom... Kids in England grow up like their stupid parents We have reocuring generations of fucking dummies... You know in high school that fight and hit teachers? In primary school they are wrapped in cotton wool feminists snowflakes who win everything and can go on mad temper tantz without being made to sit? Classrooms in English state schools are like fucking zoos! Liberals have taken all the power away from the teacher! Now the snowflake 5 year olds run the schools! | |||
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"I don't doubt some parents are utterly useless....but half of just the mothers is a ridiculous generalisation... Facebook rochdale They all look old and have 3 kids by different dads age 21. and that is an issue how???? Your comments have you come across in a shocking light.... the sure start comment.. Just wow. As someone that got maliciously reported to social services numerous times a few years back ( cleared 100% and no fault found) I take real offence of some of what you say. Tell it to the judge" didn't need to.. but it was a nasty judgemental busy body who thought they had a reason... It caused my kids a lot of stress as they have to investigate.. my youngest started to not sleep but guess people who have a superiority complex dont think about that. Ironically it landed me a job working supporting families that did need support for a while. Would love to have seen the snidy person's face when they realised not only did they now look bad but that in the long run I got a job from it. | |||
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"There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you...
When you work in schools you work with people's children..
Some of them have dirty uniforms, they miss days, that are unwashed, badly behaved or tell you things about their home life you would rather not hear.
Same when your neighbours downstairs are a jeromy kyle couple who stink of skunk.
As a teacher you must be above all that and open to ruthless criticism and rules.
As a teacher I could not say what I want to say about parents....but they are open to criticise me...
You get children in the class who are being abused/neglected at home...
They can't catch up with work they miss...that can't socialise with other children propperly...
^^^^and it's never the parents fault... wow. I'd hate to have you as one of my kids teachers....
Yes you get children from neglected homes and problem families but not half.. and what about the kids who don't socialise because the other kids bully them. And although the parent has repeatedly took this up with school its not dealt with.. ( basically because they don't have the time or the resources.. or in rare occasions.. don't care)
The parents aren't there to criticise you as a teacher either. Yes they can give feedback which I've only in all my years once felt the need to complain against a teacher and that was me and the rest of a MAT team as we were all appalled by his actions and comments towards a parent.
I think if it's your job and it causes you this much angst then new carer would be advisable.
To op. I really don't think that at 2 kids really understand much about gender. It's all getting way to pc everywhere these days x" | |||
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"Don't make straight relationships the 'normal'. ^this^ What that means is, don't make straight relationships the only thing that matters. Don't treat LGBTQ people as if their relationships are abnormal or unusual or inferior. Don't only talk and teach about straight relationships. Don't only have straight people in films, TV, other media. It's not that hard. " Exactly!!
A good example is the current o2 advert for broken phone screen repair. It shows a variety of scenarios where phones get dropped and broken. One of them is a 2 second shot of two guys kissing and one of them has a phone drop out of his pocket. It's not made a big fanfare over and has equal screen time to the other scenarios. It's just .... Normal.
Same as the bank advert a while back that showed a gay couple being approved a loan or insurance or something as part of their engagement. It wasn't making a statement, just showing the scenario as they would with a straight couple.
There are lots of simple ways to help everyone feel welcome. Not assuming someone is straight when you first meet them is one. Not assuming someone is CIS is another.
It can be expressed in terms of football fandom. If you assume everyone supports Manchester United and that is the ' normal' team to support, then you force them to 'come out' to you as a supporter of another team. Or as someone who doesn't subscribe to any team. If you raise kids in an environment where it's ok to support any team, or no team at all, then you remove those social divides and make everyone feel included. | |||
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""Binary non hetro" what? Eh? That's abit too advance for kindergarten/primary school ^^^atleast teach them how to sit in a chair and hold a crayon! Half the women in Britain are shit mother's don't tell me you know anything about educating infants! There's whole "shit mothers" thing seems to be a theme for you... "Yes I've noticed that as well,perhaps dare I be so bold as to suggest it his was,maybe... | |||
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"Why can't we just let kids grow up without dumping all this crap on them? Every day mankind strays further from god" Agree 100%...... Another example of the inmates running the asylum... | |||
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"I think some responses on here show just how much teaching kids about these things matters. The anger that comes from some people when they simply hear about things that aren't the norm (and that in no way affect them) ...it's just so unnecessary. " In my day they just showed us 'fiddler on the roof' and let us work the rest out for ourselves. | |||
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"2 year olds already accept everyone n don't care who or what they are, boys dress up in girls clothes and girls play with cars...they don't bloody care...they only don't like you if you are an arse mostly, and they can spot one of those a mile off! It is once they get taught by morons that these things matter, along with a million and one other ridiculous and pointless things that makes older children and adults feel wrong and inadequate. They need teaching that the opinions of others on their personal preferences means feck all in the grand scheme of their lives instead!" If you didn't force things like Islam and gender studies on their tiny little brains... They would spend more time mastering the alphabet and less time wondering what fetishes that like! ^^^they can go do that shit in the playground! Leave it to teachers to help them with their times tables | |||
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"Ok, I’m lgbt and I have a 5 year old, she doesn’t need to know more than it’s ok to be what you want, at that age she doesn’t need details and I don’t intend on telling her more for a few years at least, at two children can hardly form a sentence, why the hell to they need to know gender differences???? What two year old sees a difference between boys and girls? Things like this really wind me up, it’s pushing them into something before they’re ready and pointing out what they don’t see, ffs might as well just go the whole hog and tell them about Santa, what’s the difference if you’re taking their innocence away anyway! " | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . " so what? | |||
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"Shit mother's? I used to have Facebook! There are some really loony mum's about... ^^^^don't worry! I am best friends with the ladys at the "sure start"...one word from me and your kids bellong to the state! Better start looking after them propperly and don't piss me off." You really are saying some strange things ! Sure Start was not about removing children from parents. If you are a teacher (as you seem to be implying) then you seem to be rather out of touch ! | |||
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"It's a person reading 'The Ugly Duckling' to a bunch of toddlers. Remember that one? You know about being different?? Not wanting to grow up and be a bloody duck ffs." There once was a narcasistic duckling... Who was the best at everything and the most beautifull and could never technicly fail an exam or recieve criticism | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . so what?" I think I've just heard a news report about something similar. It was about kids being encouraged to wear what they liked. But thought we had always done that... as I have a photo of my lad ( who is now nearly 17) and at nursery he dressed up as a nurse And wanted to be a princess. He was not into cars or things my father associated as boys toys.. yet now as a young adult he identifies as straight but says what is it with the trend to be at least bi. He feels abnormal at college and with his peers for being straight... But at nursery he was happy to do things and wear things that would have been seen as feminine. I never said he couldn't.. nor did school. | |||
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"You know your kids are gayer than you think when they are in the classroom/playground/toilets... Same sex things going on... Girls wanting to be boys... Boys kissing and doing wierd shit... It's nothing to do with the teacher or ABC! I don't give a fuck about gender! You go to the boys toilet You go to the girls toilet So watever you want as long as it's consensual and not in my lesson! We are trying to learn bar bar black sheep They are figuring things out themselves... They don't know what a sapiosexual is yet! They are just stupid blobs untill that are 6. It's like teaching a parrot the alphabet" So glad you dont teach my kid | |||
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"You know your kids are gayer than you think when they are in the classroom/playground/toilets... Same sex things going on... Girls wanting to be boys... Boys kissing and doing wierd shit... It's nothing to do with the teacher or ABC! I don't give a fuck about gender! You go to the boys toilet You go to the girls toilet So watever you want as long as it's consensual and not in my lesson! We are trying to learn bar bar black sheep They are figuring things out themselves... They don't know what a sapiosexual is yet! They are just stupid blobs untill that are 6. It's like teaching a parrot the alphabet So glad you dont teach my kid" | |||
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"Two year olds already know that people are different and some girls like other girls or want to be boys and vice versa. They chose to wear what they want on that day. They know its good to be nice to people and not judge others. It comes naturally to them. I saw this article and it was about some CDs (i think ... it was ages ago) who went into a toddler group (like a mums and toddlers and not a playgroup or nursery or school) and read suitable stories to children about being tolerant and kind and allowing others to be themselves. The parents chose to take their children to these sessions with the full knowledge of what they were. There was no "teaching" "That seems a sensible way x | |||
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"Think this thread alone is proving exactly what I mentioned in my earlier post about how the eternally outraged on FB and the Daily Fail misrepresent stories to generate shock amongst those easily shocked and unable to see beyond the headline. It's reporting like that which brings out the worst ism's in some and it's evident from this thread that it's happened here too. The actual story is NOT as suggested by the OP - two year olds being taught in school (for starters two year olds don't go to school) - but toddlers being read appropriate stories by TVs/CDs in a playgroup which is voluntary and which parents choose to send their kids, and at that age probably remain there with them. On a very basic level as I said up thread - how is that ANY different from going to the pantomime and seeing the Dame? As for the psycho babble being rolled out by some posters on this thread " | |||
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"Think this thread alone is proving exactly what I mentioned in my earlier post about how the eternally outraged on FB and the Daily Fail misrepresent stories to generate shock amongst those easily shocked and unable to see beyond the headline. It's reporting like that which brings out the worst ism's in some and it's evident from this thread that it's happened here too. The actual story is NOT as suggested by the OP - two year olds being taught in school (for starters two year olds don't go to school) - but toddlers being read appropriate stories by TVs/CDs in a playgroup which is voluntary and which parents choose to send their kids, and at that age probably remain there with them. On a very basic level as I said up thread - how is that ANY different from going to the pantomime and seeing the Dame? As for the psycho babble being rolled out by some posters on this thread If you had bothered to read all the posts you will see i corrected myself to nurseries as opposed to actual schools . And we are all allowed an opinion mate "Its actually a good post OP. It is always good to debate diversity. | |||
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"Think this thread alone is proving exactly what I mentioned in my earlier post about how the eternally outraged on FB and the Daily Fail misrepresent stories to generate shock amongst those easily shocked and unable to see beyond the headline. It's reporting like that which brings out the worst ism's in some and it's evident from this thread that it's happened here too. The actual story is NOT as suggested by the OP - two year olds being taught in school (for starters two year olds don't go to school) - but toddlers being read appropriate stories by TVs/CDs in a playgroup which is voluntary and which parents choose to send their kids, and at that age probably remain there with them. On a very basic level as I said up thread - how is that ANY different from going to the pantomime and seeing the Dame? As for the psycho babble being rolled out by some posters on this thread If you had bothered to read all the posts you will see i corrected myself to nurseries as opposed to actual schools . And we are all allowed an opinion mate
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" You really are saying some strange things ! Sure Start was not about removing children from parents. If you are a teacher (as you seem to be implying) then you seem to be rather out of touch ! I didn't work as a teacher in English schools...I worked outside teaching. It's too political for me and I don't agree with any of it or feel it's something I would enjoy doing. In Thailand it's more like a British school in the 1960s. It's very disciplined. They learn through enjoyment and games but they are not allowed to cross boundries english children would cross. Some aspects of that system I disagree with...it isn't perfect... But I did enjoy working with them because they were very well behaved. I never used the cane. And I never allowed that kind of thing...or anything I though the Thai teachers did in my time that I didn't like... I enforced corner time. Or "SIT!" In my teacher voice every so often but their behaviour was genrally very good. The teachers in Britain don't really have the right to manage the classroom. Children have different psychological conditions...if you appease narcasism and anti social personality disorder that don't learn the skills that need in adult life to stay out of prison. " So why make a comment (incorrectly) about Sure Start then ? | |||
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Its actually a good post OP. It is always good to debate diversity. Thankyou. I wish I hadnt though as it's turned into a slanging match "Not at all - for the most part (with one exception mainly) it's been an interesting debate and one worth having and apologies I wasn't digging at you personally and had seen your correction to nursery (although for some nursery still equates to the formal school system whereas a playgroup does not) but my point was more about how inaccurate reporting in some areas of the media gives rise to misleading information being spread in this day and age of forums like this and FB etc. | |||
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"Just out of interest - and I am not sure if anybody picked up on this as I did not read the entire thread in detail - children do not become gay through being "encouraged to be gay". Bringing up children, whether it is at home or at school (I do believe a community raises a child, not just the parent) should be gentle but consistent, firm where appropriate (again consistent) and feed their inquisitive nature on a need to know basis rather than overfeeding them with anything they may not understand at that age. Children develop at different rates, some faster than others and that is another factor when considering explaining concepts such as homosexuality. The overarching aim should be the child's need to know at that moment in time but also and the underlying teaching of tolerance of diversity." Well articulated and sane post | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. Hmmmm, talking to a friend who is a teacher she says she can't pick up her 6 year olds, I assumed it meant all schoolchildren. Is there ages where you can ?" You can use taught restraint when needed in the correct moment and way. I have rarely used that. However my work is mostly with 2, 3 and 4 year olds and i frequently pick them up (at their request). I do also pick up/ hold them if they are having a scuffle over toys etc. I do also work with children up to the age of 11, we are allowed to pick them up, if they ask, however it's rare a child over the age of 5 asks for that. My extensive training covers me from birth to the ages of 21/25 (training ages can vary at the time). I wouldn't ever chose to work with children over the age of 11 and prefer 5 and under so most my personal work experience is with under 5 year olds. I have adult children myself too. | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. What are you going to do when they turn 18 and they weigh 80kg. Still pick them up? I don't look after 18 year olds so i can't comment using past experience. However i have had training on how to deal with 18 year olds too which obviously would be in a different way. The point is that those 4 year olds will grow into 18 year olds. Then they will be someone elses problem. Someone who can't just pick them up." Therefore they will have suitable training and experience to deal with it im sure. | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. What are you going to do when they turn 18 and they weigh 80kg. Still pick them up? I don't look after 18 year olds so i can't comment using past experience. However i have had training on how to deal with 18 year olds too which obviously would be in a different way. The point is that those 4 year olds will grow into 18 year olds. Then they will be someone elses problem. Someone who can't just pick them up." So are you saying that i shouldnt have picked them up at 4 because another person wont be able to pick them up at 18 ? I dont understand your point ? | |||
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"Any link to what this is actually all about? Sounds very vague. If you google it you will find it " Well, I could Google it. Or people who start threads could include the information about what they're talking about, not just give a vague summary, so that everyone who responds can see the same facts and make informed judgements rather than make up their own idea of what they're arguing about. Like what's happened here. | |||
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"Any link to what this is actually all about? Sounds very vague. If you google it you will find it Well, I could Google it. Or people who start threads could include the information about what they're talking about, not just give a vague summary, so that everyone who responds can see the same facts and make informed judgements rather than make up their own idea of what they're arguing about. Like what's happened here. " Or maybe the people who want more facts that where given can google it to find the story | |||
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"Why can't we just let kids grow up without dumping all this crap on them? Every day mankind strays further from god" Well,there are some that would say that teaching young children about god is dumping crap on them that would be better suited to when they are older and can make up their own minds. While we are on the subject of stories that contain factual inaccuracies,,,,2 year olds in primary school?? really? | |||
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"Why can't we just let kids grow up without dumping all this crap on them? Every day mankind strays further from god" It wouldn't do to have them grow up unconditioned thinking that they're born what they are and thats it. They need to know that we've evolved to a point where we are "gods", we can make life easier for kids who are feeling a bit different and instead of sending them to a counsellor and finding out whats psychologically wrong with them we have the power now to physically change them into the gender they want, or think they want to be. Whats coming in 20 years? The kids who look like cats/dogs in every other picture they take on snapchat, we'll soon be buying them litter trays, because kids, of course you can be what you want. | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. Hmmmm, talking to a friend who is a teacher she says she can't pick up her 6 year olds, I assumed it meant all schoolchildren. Is there ages where you can ? You can use taught restraint when needed in the correct moment and way. I have rarely used that. However my work is mostly with 2, 3 and 4 year olds and i frequently pick them up (at their request). I do also pick up/ hold them if they are having a scuffle over toys etc. I do also work with children up to the age of 11, we are allowed to pick them up, if they ask, however it's rare a child over the age of 5 asks for that. . ." In which case we are not talking about the same thing. I was talking about and answering a post about dealing with a child if they were on the floor having a meltdown ... not picking up a child if they asked you to | |||
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"Why can't we just let kids grow up without dumping all this crap on them? Every day mankind strays further from god Well,there are some that would say that teaching young children about god is dumping crap on them that would be better suited to when they are older and can make up their own minds. While we are on the subject of stories that contain factual inaccuracies,,,,2 year olds in primary school?? really?" https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4896260/drag-queens-nursery-schools-teach-kids-transgender-issues/#comments Says nursery on there but that is from The Scum after all so who knows | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. Hmmmm, talking to a friend who is a teacher she says she can't pick up her 6 year olds, I assumed it meant all schoolchildren. Is there ages where you can ? You can use taught restraint when needed in the correct moment and way. I have rarely used that. However my work is mostly with 2, 3 and 4 year olds and i frequently pick them up (at their request). I do also pick up/ hold them if they are having a scuffle over toys etc. I do also work with children up to the age of 11, we are allowed to pick them up, if they ask, however it's rare a child over the age of 5 asks for that. . . In which case we are not talking about the same thing. I was talking about and answering a post about dealing with a child if they were on the floor having a meltdown ... not picking up a child if they asked you to" I was talking about both. I do both. | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. What are you going to do when they turn 18 and they weigh 80kg. Still pick them up? I don't look after 18 year olds so i can't comment using past experience. However i have had training on how to deal with 18 year olds too which obviously would be in a different way. The point is that those 4 year olds will grow into 18 year olds. Then they will be someone elses problem. Someone who can't just pick them up. So are you saying that i shouldnt have picked them up at 4 because another person wont be able to pick them up at 18 ? I dont understand your point ?" Exactly that. If its a dangerous situation, granted. Move them. But picking them up only solves the now problem. If you pick them up you give them a tool in their armoury. The earlier you get it out of their system the better. When you react. You have lost control they have control. | |||
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"Why can't we just let kids grow up without dumping all this crap on them? Every day mankind strays further from god Well,there are some that would say that teaching young children about god is dumping crap on them that would be better suited to when they are older and can make up their own minds. While we are on the subject of stories that contain factual inaccuracies,,,,2 year olds in primary school?? really? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4896260/drag-queens-nursery-schools-teach-kids-transgender-issues/#comments Says nursery on there but that is from The Scum after all so who knows " That was partly the point I was trying to make, a skewed story from people with an agenda. There is a world of difference between teaching kids (at any age) that not everyone is the same and we can all get along if we really want to (which is what we should be teaching) and trying to brainwash them into being gay or trans (which no one is trying to do). | |||
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"2 year olds being brain watch about lgbt wft?? " Try reading the "actual" story or even the whole thread before commenting - it's anything but brainwashing, It's two year olds being read appropriate stories by someone who happens to be dressed as the opposite gender!! | |||
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"Shit mother's? I used to have Facebook! There are some really loony mum's about... ^^^^don't worry! I am best friends with the ladys at the "sure start"...one word from me and your kids bellong to the state! Better start looking after them propperly and don't piss me off." Steady on there! | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . Now I've nothing against anyone being who they want to be , but teaching 2 year olds about it !! Sorry that's wrong !! What's your opinion forumites ?? " A two year old would be gender fluid, they play dressing up and put on what they want to. We had a boy who everyday wore a bridesmaid dress at nursery we as adults didn't discourage or in courage him it was what he wanted to wear so he could. It's if you enforce gender types you my have conflicts imo. As for teaching them it's more about acceptance of others personal choices. | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. What are you going to do when they turn 18 and they weigh 80kg. Still pick them up? I don't look after 18 year olds so i can't comment using past experience. However i have had training on how to deal with 18 year olds too which obviously would be in a different way. The point is that those 4 year olds will grow into 18 year olds. Then they will be someone elses problem. Someone who can't just pick them up. So are you saying that i shouldnt have picked them up at 4 because another person wont be able to pick them up at 18 ? I dont understand your point ? Exactly that. If its a dangerous situation, granted. Move them. But picking them up only solves the now problem. If you pick them up you give them a tool in their armoury. The earlier you get it out of their system the better. When you react. You have lost control they have control. " In negative situations i pick them up to move them to keep them and others and me safe. Obviously its far more complex than i can write here but if you really are interested then google is your friend. If you arent interested as such then no problem. Im not sure if you are talking about me picking them up in a negative or positive situation either. Also these are children, not soldiers ! Btw iv never lost control in such situations. I am good at my job. I am praised for my work. | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . Now I've nothing against anyone being who they want to be , but teaching 2 year olds about it !! Sorry that's wrong !! What's your opinion forumites ?? A two year old would be gender fluid, they play dressing up and put on what they want to. We had a boy who everyday wore a bridesmaid dress at nursery we as adults didn't discourage or in courage him it was what he wanted to wear so he could. It's if you enforce gender types you my have conflicts imo. As for teaching them it's more about acceptance of others personal choices. " This is why I said it was too early to introduce something they may not understand. Most kids at that age would play with any toys and dress up in any clothes whatever their sex anyway. | |||
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"I always thought male/female couples were "normal"? According to nature anyway? " Playing devil's advocate, I don't like seeing the baby thrown out with the bathwater either. I don't think one should deny what is statistically and biologically the norm whilst trying to ensure tolerance for diversity. | |||
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"It's ridiculous shameless Marxism. Doesn't bennefit the child. " I haven't read 'Das Kapital' but I'm willing to bet there is fuck all to do with LGBT issues in it, you dont work for the Daily Mal do you? | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . Now I've nothing against anyone being who they want to be , but teaching 2 year olds about it !! Sorry that's wrong !! What's your opinion forumites ?? A two year old would be gender fluid, they play dressing up and put on what they want to. We had a boy who everyday wore a bridesmaid dress at nursery we as adults didn't discourage or in courage him it was what he wanted to wear so he could. It's if you enforce gender types you my have conflicts imo. As for teaching them it's more about acceptance of others personal choices. This is why I said it was too early to introduce something they may not understand. Most kids at that age would play with any toys and dress up in any clothes whatever their sex anyway." Some may understand some nay not all children develop at different rates. | |||
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"Of course they do, they just don't need to cane them to get them to do what they want Neither do I! If it's kindergarten I pick the meltdown child up and put him in the corner (kid prison) ^^^^in England you can't physicly pick them up so the little kids tantrum must be respected.... Try having a rational debate with an autistic mealtdown 4 year old. That is true, they can't pick them up, but there are ways to manage behaviour in a class, many many teachers do it daily You can pick up 4 year olds. You are taught how to do it if its a negative situation but mostly 4 year olds are picked up in a positive way. What are you going to do when they turn 18 and they weigh 80kg. Still pick them up? I don't look after 18 year olds so i can't comment using past experience. However i have had training on how to deal with 18 year olds too which obviously would be in a different way. The point is that those 4 year olds will grow into 18 year olds. Then they will be someone elses problem. Someone who can't just pick them up. So are you saying that i shouldnt have picked them up at 4 because another person wont be able to pick them up at 18 ? I dont understand your point ? Exactly that. If its a dangerous situation, granted. Move them. But picking them up only solves the now problem. If you pick them up you give them a tool in their armoury. The earlier you get it out of their system the better. When you react. You have lost control they have control. In negative situations i pick them up to move them to keep them and others and me safe. Obviously its far more complex than i can write here but if you really are interested then google is your friend. If you arent interested as such then no problem. Im not sure if you are talking about me picking them up in a negative or positive situation either. Also these are children, not soldiers ! Btw iv never lost control in such situations. I am good at my job. I am praised for my work. " I'm sure you are and it sounds like you really care which is the main thing and not easy to do with the education system at the moment. I didn't mean to sound critical. I wasn't talking about you specifically but people who pick them up because it's easier than finding other ways to motivate them (which I know is easier said than done if you aren't in a one on one situation) Sorry OP went right off topic  | |||
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"Teaching it to a 2 year old does sound kind of stupid... That depends what 'it' is. If they are just teaching and showing kids,that some people are different to them,look different,dress differently,speak differently and those people are not to be feared or hated just because of those differences then I think those are lessons that cannot start early enough." I dont think it's about teaching them but more about normalizing something which for milenia hasn't been normal. Just because we have the technology to change somebodys gender doesn't mean we should expose kids to it and make it the norm, what about when we have the ability to change the color of somebodys skin, will racial fluidty be normal? | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . Now I've nothing against anyone being who they want to be , but teaching 2 year olds about it !! Sorry that's wrong !! What's your opinion forumites ?? A two year old would be gender fluid, they play dressing up and put on what they want to. We had a boy who everyday wore a bridesmaid dress at nursery we as adults didn't discourage or in courage him it was what he wanted to wear so he could. It's if you enforce gender types you my have conflicts imo. As for teaching them it's more about acceptance of others personal choices. This is why I said it was too early to introduce something they may not understand. Most kids at that age would play with any toys and dress up in any clothes whatever their sex anyway. Some may understand some nay not all children develop at different rates. " I know that too, I still think it is too early to introduce something that they will learn hopefully later down the line. One day it won't be something that needs telling | |||
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"Apparently some kids as young as 2 are being taught about gender fluidity in certain primary schools . Now I've nothing against anyone being who they want to be , but teaching 2 year olds about it !! Sorry that's wrong !! What's your opinion forumites ?? A two year old would be gender fluid, they play dressing up and put on what they want to. We had a boy who everyday wore a bridesmaid dress at nursery we as adults didn't discourage or in courage him it was what he wanted to wear so he could. It's if you enforce gender types you my have conflicts imo. As for teaching them it's more about acceptance of others personal choices. This is why I said it was too early to introduce something they may not understand. Most kids at that age would play with any toys and dress up in any clothes whatever their sex anyway. Some may understand some nay not all children develop at different rates. I know that too, I still think it is too early to introduce something that they will learn hopefully later down the line. One day it won't be something that needs telling " Couldn't have put it better myself | |||
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"Teaching it to a 2 year old does sound kind of stupid... That depends what 'it' is. If they are just teaching and showing kids,that some people are different to them,look different,dress differently,speak differently and those people are not to be feared or hated just because of those differences then I think those are lessons that cannot start early enough." I thought liberals thought that everyone was the same? | |||
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"Are you sure it's not year 2? 2 year olds barely know the concept of boy/girl, let alone them understanding gender fluidity. " Nope deffo 2 year olds I read the whole story . OP | |||
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"I think normalisation of LGBTQ in society should be encouraged and taught from a young age, granted I'm not quite sure how a 2 year old would grasp the concept, though the story could just be mere clickbait to outrage morons " It's more about the child seeing it as 'normal' for people to be different. In time diversity will hopefully be so integrated that the word is seen as old fashioned. There is a fantastic clip on the web where children have to explain why their friend is different. To adults it's obvious - different colour, disability etc. The children's answers - Jonny likes peas, I don't. Great to watch. | |||
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"Teaching it to a 2 year old does sound kind of stupid... That depends what 'it' is. If they are just teaching and showing kids,that some people are different to them,look different,dress differently,speak differently and those people are not to be feared or hated just because of those differences then I think those are lessons that cannot start early enough. I dont think it's about teaching them but more about normalizing something which for milenia hasn't been normal. Just because we have the technology to change somebodys gender doesn't mean we should expose kids to it and make it the norm, what about when we have the ability to change the color of somebodys skin, will racial fluidty be normal?" What hasn't been normal for millenia? homosexuality and trans ness have been around since the dawn of time.It may have been frowned upon by the bible authors but,at the same time,The Romans were so busy shagging each other,it's amazing they got any conquering done at all. Trans gender and same sex love were also very common in the ancient Greek and Egyptian civilisations. And,in what way is any of that being forced upon kids? It's simply a good thing to help children understand that we live,and have always lived,in a world of infinite diversity and that is not a thing to hate or fear. And yes,absolutely,blurring racial lines is a very good thing.Hardly necessary,though as children tend not to discriminate until they are taught to. How about we teach children not to discriminate instead? | |||
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