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"No. It smacks of body-shaming, and women often wear different sized clothes, since the fit varies between brands, fabrics, shops, actual item of clothing etc. " This completely!! If you really want to know someone's size to exercise a "preference" OP there is an indication on every profile | |||
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"Yes It's a good idea - but everyone is a different height and a different shape. A 5ft size 16 woman will look completely different to a 5ft 7 size 16 woman. I think it should be site rules that everyone has a clear body pic - dressed or undressed." We already have the height option so that helps for people to take a view. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." If you can't see a washboard stomach on her pics don't message her...simple | |||
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"No. It smacks of body-shaming, and women often wear different sized clothes, since the fit varies between brands, fabrics, shops, actual item of clothing etc. " I'm a 12 bottom and a 14 top so how would that work on me??? | |||
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"Perhaps we can search on personality type instead Cheeky Sarcastic Studios Up their own arse Etc. " I bet the up their own arse category would be the most searched choice. | |||
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"Perhaps we can search on personality type instead Cheeky Sarcastic Studios Up their own arse Etc. " That would work Please also add "Prick" to the list | |||
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"Perhaps we can search on personality type instead Cheeky Sarcastic Studios Up their own arse Etc. That would work Please also add "Prick" to the list " What are studios? | |||
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"No. It smacks of body-shaming, and women often wear different sized clothes, since the fit varies between brands, fabrics, shops, actual item of clothing etc. " If someone decides to search for a women who is a size 8-10 it's not because they want to body shame that women. Women cannot hide their body shape in the real world, why hide it on a site where people are hoping to meet? | |||
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"Perhaps we can search on personality type instead Cheeky Sarcastic Studios Up their own arse Etc. That would work Please also add "Prick" to the list What are studios? " Bugger - autocorrect Studious | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." The trouble with this idea is that dress size varies as I am a size 10 in some or a size 12 in others. The biggest hurdle of course is guys very rarely read the damn profile anyway. | |||
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"No, it's a bad idea. 1st, a woman can wear a variety of dress sizes depending on manufacturer. 2nd, there will be the inevitable few who tell a white lie or two, and not be the size 6 they claim. It's no different than the guy who says I'm VWE with 5 inches, or have a dad bod that's actually a beer keg. Size is subjective and open to massive individual interpretation. " A size 22 may wear size 18 to 24 but wont fit into size 12 clothing. It's a guide to assist with genuine attraction not a dress making service! | |||
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"Still wouldn't be 100% accurate. A 5'10 woman that was a size 14/16 could look in proportion and have a flat stomach and visible muscle definition and a low body fat percentage, whereas a 5'1 woman that's a size 14/16 could have a high body fat percentage and no muscle definition anywhere. " It doesn't need to be 100% accurate, not many things are. As a guy looking at womens profiles you can often come away with no idea. | |||
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"Still wouldn't be 100% accurate. A 5'10 woman that was a size 14/16 could look in proportion and have a flat stomach and visible muscle definition and a low body fat percentage, whereas a 5'1 woman that's a size 14/16 could have a high body fat percentage and no muscle definition anywhere. It doesn't need to be 100% accurate, not many things are. As a guy looking at womens profiles you can often come away with no idea." Really?! I find that very hard to believe. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'. If you can't see a washboard stomach on her pics don't message her...simple " Why would you assume that I prefer slim women? It's not simple or I wouldn't have raised the topic. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." I fear that the rejections have nothing to do with bodyshape and more to do with men who enjoy the chase then bottle it when the meet is arranged. Talk the talk but can't walk the walk | |||
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"Still wouldn't be 100% accurate. A 5'10 woman that was a size 14/16 could look in proportion and have a flat stomach and visible muscle definition and a low body fat percentage, whereas a 5'1 woman that's a size 14/16 could have a high body fat percentage and no muscle definition anywhere. It doesn't need to be 100% accurate, not many things are. As a guy looking at womens profiles you can often come away with no idea." If it's such a problem why don't you just fucking ask the women you want to message as an opener? Should we have a search by cock size and make you men prove your exact size? FFS there's more important things in life surely? | |||
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"If people posted clear body pics of themselves then this topic wouldn't come up so often " Very true, but the majority of women simply do not. Why hide body shape or size? I can understand if there's no intention of meeting anyone. | |||
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"If people posted clear body pics of themselves then this topic wouldn't come up so often Very true, but the majority of women simply do not. Why hide body shape or size? I can understand if there's no intention of meeting anyone." Do men? | |||
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"If people posted clear body pics of themselves then this topic wouldn't come up so often Very true, but the majority of women simply do not. Why hide body shape or size? I can understand if there's no intention of meeting anyone." Each to their own, it’s like I get wary of people with only one public pic — we all make judgements, just avoid the ones that you think are hiding something. | |||
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" If it's such a problem why don't you just fucking ask the women you want to message as an opener? Should we have a search by cock size and make you men prove your exact size? FFS there's more important things in life surely? " This is not an attack on anyone. Why would a women want to hide her size from people she may hope to meet? Read higher up, some women tell men it's rude to ask. You cant see a guys cock when you walk into a bar or night club but you can see his height. Just like you can see a womens body size. Why should online be different? | |||
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" If it's such a problem why don't you just fucking ask the women you want to message as an opener? Should we have a search by cock size and make you men prove your exact size? FFS there's more important things in life surely? This is not an attack on anyone. Why would a women want to hide her size from people she may hope to meet? Read higher up, some women tell men it's rude to ask. You cant see a guys cock when you walk into a bar or night club but you can see his height. Just like you can see a womens body size. Why should online be different? " You can’t see their exact dress size in that scenario either, actually. You’re still guesstimating. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'. If you can't see a washboard stomach on her pics don't message her...simple Why would you assume that I prefer slim women? It's not simple or I wouldn't have raised the topic." I'm a size 12, if I put that on my profile would you believe me? As with anything; height, age, cock size you can only select from what information is given, so it would be pointless to have the facility....imo | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'. If you can't see a washboard stomach on her pics don't message her...simple Why would you assume that I prefer slim women? It's not simple or I wouldn't have raised the topic. I'm a size 12, if I put that on my profile would you believe me? As with anything; height, age, cock size you can only select from what information is given, so it would be pointless to have the facility....imo " I'm not a size 12 btw, before the haters start | |||
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" If it's such a problem why don't you just fucking ask the women you want to message as an opener? Should we have a search by cock size and make you men prove your exact size? FFS there's more important things in life surely? This is not an attack on anyone. Why would a women want to hide her size from people she may hope to meet? Read higher up, some women tell men it's rude to ask. You cant see a guys cock when you walk into a bar or night club but you can see his height. Just like you can see a womens body size. Why should online be different? " Not ONE man I have met off here has asked my dress size. Ever. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." nah as the problem is im inbetween 16-18 on top and 18-20 on bottom its a bloody pain for me | |||
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"Perhaps we can search on personality type instead Cheeky Sarcastic Studios Up their own arse Etc. " I'm liking this | |||
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"But as already been said. If someone's 5ft 10 and a size 16.. they will look totally different to a 5ft 0 lady in the same size clothes... What's wrong with looking at a photo. You can't search for body size on here anyway... " Nothing wrong with a photo but so many women (and men) on here simply dont have clear pictures. Most people understand the difference visually between a 5ft and 6ft size 18. | |||
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"Yes It's a good idea - but everyone is a different height and a different shape. A 5ft size 16 woman will look completely different to a 5ft 7 size 16 woman. I think it should be site rules that everyone has a clear body pic - dressed or undressed." .. Yep thats true Miss | |||
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"No. It smacks of body-shaming, and women often wear different sized clothes, since the fit varies between brands, fabrics, shops, actual item of clothing etc. " | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." I think that is OTT. It's a sex site not dating site. If someone states their body type then that should give you a general idea of what they are built like. If someone asked my dress size then that would be an instant turn off for me. | |||
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"I think some men would like to use this site, a bit like an Argos catalogue You choose what you want When you want it Complete with a 'click and collect' service The fact that OP has suggested that ladies advertise their dress sizes, tells me he doesn't know a great deal about women" | |||
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"I think some men would like to use this site, a bit like an Argos catalogue You choose what you want When you want it Complete with a 'click and collect' service The fact that OP has suggested that ladies advertise their dress sizes, tells me he doesn't know a great deal about women" | |||
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" nah as the problem is im inbetween 16-18 on top and 18-20 on bottom its a bloody pain for me" Any of those size guides with your height has already given me a much better idea than the rest of your profile. Im just suggesting you'remore likely to be approached by people who will be attracted to you. | |||
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"I think some men would like to use this site, a bit like an Argos catalogue You choose what you want When you want it Complete with a 'click and collect' service The fact that OP has suggested that ladies advertise their dress sizes, tells me he doesn't know a great deal about women" I know that it's an online phenomenon just like mens height. People cannot hide their body shape/size in the real world, why is it such a bad thing to question it on a site where people specifically hope to meet. Lets say it as it is, many women have no problem putting honest pictures up. Just check this thread. | |||
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"My pics and profile allude to my size, both in height and clothes size. I think so long as folk are upfront it shouldn't be an issue." I agree. | |||
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"I think some men would like to use this site, a bit like an Argos catalogue You choose what you want When you want it Complete with a 'click and collect' service The fact that OP has suggested that ladies advertise their dress sizes, tells me he doesn't know a great deal about women" Some of the messages I receive that is exactly how some men think that is the way this site should work | |||
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"If it matters to you then ask to see a clear body pic, if they refuse then don't meet them. Maybe we should suggest to admin that men put their waist size and cock length on their profile so we have more info too I am more than happy to tell guys my dress size but most aren't bothered. However some people won't be so keen to put it on their profile." Mens waist size and height are two of the best indications of a mans body shape. I can't argue with that. | |||
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"If people posted clear body pics of themselves then this topic wouldn't come up so often Very true, but the majority of women simply do not. Why hide body shape or size? I can understand if there's no intention of meeting anyone." Because society and the media have done an effective job of dictating the image of the 'perfect' woman, and making the rest feel shite for being who they are and what they look like. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." How about a section for men to.put their waist size, chest and hips too. Why pick on ladies size. We lady's have preferences regarding size too x | |||
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"My pics and profile allude to my size, both in height and clothes size. I think so long as folk are upfront it shouldn't be an issue." Allude but don’t state exactly. So not what the OP is wanting... | |||
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"Entirely depends on height build etc... and it would olky be fair if we blokes had to start posting waist sizes." We should post waist measurement, why not? | |||
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"It's interesting that many people assume that asking for dress size means you want to rule out women at the higher end of a very arbitary scale. The guy made a suggestion that he thought might make things clearer. I don't think it was an attempt to insult anybody of any size." Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? | |||
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"Don't forget to include "one size" " | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'. How about a section for men to.put their waist size, chest and hips too. Why pick on ladies size. We lady's have preferences regarding size too x " Possibly because he's primarily interested in women, being straight. Anybody can suggest that men state their stats if they want to. | |||
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"Perhaps we can search on personality type instead Cheeky Sarcastic Studios Up their own arse Etc. " I’m not sure I could choose between cheeky and sarcastic Surely the moral to this tail is if the person has no clear pics then either ask for one or don’t meet them, for people who have clear pics, if their body shape is not for you then don’t meet them, it’s not rocket science is it, you just look at the pics and if you like them take it further | |||
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"It's interesting that many people assume that asking for dress size means you want to rule out women at the higher end of a very arbitary scale. The guy made a suggestion that he thought might make things clearer. I don't think it was an attempt to insult anybody of any size." | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference?" He’s not answered me yet when I asked. | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? He’s not answered me yet when I asked." I know | |||
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"Still wouldn't be 100% accurate. A 5'10 woman that was a size 14/16 could look in proportion and have a flat stomach and visible muscle definition and a low body fat percentage, whereas a 5'1 woman that's a size 14/16 could have a high body fat percentage and no muscle definition anywhere. " 5’9” and a size 14 dress here..... I’m a size 6 or 8 in shorts though. | |||
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"A man messaged me who had size 16 and under only on his profile. I told him sorry I'm a size 20, too big for you. He said I didn't look that big and it would be ok. So. Not everyone can go by dress sizes. " That was very magnanimous of him | |||
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"A man messaged me who had size 16 and under only on his profile. I told him sorry I'm a size 20, too big for you. He said I didn't look that big and it would be ok. So. Not everyone can go by dress sizes. That was very magnanimous of him " I’d have jumped at that. Wow. What a terrifically generous guy | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? He’s not answered me yet when I asked. I know " Not that it matters, he’s allowed his preference. But I’d guess what I think he’ll go for, and if he prefers larger sizes then I’d suggest he realise this isn’t the most productive way of attracting his preferred group. | |||
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"Entirely depends on height build etc... and it would olky be fair if we blokes had to start posting waist sizes. We should post waist measurement, why not? " We do! x | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state?" People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. " Uh huh, right. Mmmm. | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. " If you’re not willing to state your preference, then don’t expect women to state their dress size. | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. " Indeed you haven't. The difference in the responses on this post compared to those on the many BBW posts is interesting. I think you're wise not to state specifically which dress sizes you're interested in | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? He’s not answered me yet when I asked. I know Not that it matters, he’s allowed his preference. But I’d guess what I think he’ll go for, and if he prefers larger sizes then I’d suggest he realise this isn’t the most productive way of attracting his preferred group." Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference?" Most women don't do the prospecting on here. | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. " Come on now, admit it, you likes 'em skinny and with a big cock right! | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? Most women don't do the prospecting on here." How is that relevant? | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? Most women don't do the prospecting on here." But we read profiles, if you put on your profile you prefer a size 16 and below those above a size 16 will say when you go prospecting that they are above your size preference, thereby saving you the angst of rejecting them | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. Come on now, admit it, you likes 'em skinny and with a big cock right! " Don't we all | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? Most women don't do the prospecting on here." But it’d still increase time efficiency to ensure you’re happy, OP. And it’s something you can control as it’s on your profile. And you’ve explained why you think dress size is the way to help you. | |||
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" If you’re not willing to state your preference, then don’t expect women to state their dress size." I don't expect anything. I'm simply making a suggestion that may make it easier for people to spend their time corresponding with those they may have more chance of being physically attracted to. | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. Indeed you haven't. The difference in the responses on this post compared to those on the many BBW posts is interesting. I think you're wise not to state specifically which dress sizes you're interested in " Totally agree | |||
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" Agreed. We know why those who have assumed have done so though, right? OP, what dress size are you seeking in a meet? Willing to actually state? People have made assumptions about me and my preferences in order to frame their argument on this thread. I don't want to feed those assumptions in any way so for that reason alone choose not to state my preferences. I will though make clear that I have at no point attacked or implied an attack or preference for any specific body shape. Come on now, admit it, you likes 'em skinny and with a big cock right! Don't we all " | |||
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" If you’re not willing to state your preference, then don’t expect women to state their dress size. I don't expect anything. I'm simply making a suggestion that may make it easier for people to spend their time corresponding with those they may have more chance of being physically attracted to." People often get my dress size wrong. Even in person. | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? He’s not answered me yet when I asked. I know Not that it matters, he’s allowed his preference. But I’d guess what I think he’ll go for, and if he prefers larger sizes then I’d suggest he realise this isn’t the most productive way of attracting his preferred group. Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this " He might be looking for larger ladies. | |||
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"No. It smacks of body-shaming, and women often wear different sized clothes, since the fit varies between brands, fabrics, shops, actual item of clothing etc. " This absolutely! | |||
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" If you’re not willing to state your preference, then don’t expect women to state their dress size. I don't expect anything. I'm simply making a suggestion that may make it easier for people to spend their time corresponding with those they may have more chance of being physically attracted to." Be proactive then rather than being reactive. Say on your profile what you’re looking for. If I was only interested in ginger haired men for example, I’d state that on my profile. | |||
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"OP, why don’t you put on your profile the size of women you’re looking for so women know if they fit your preference? He’s not answered me yet when I asked. I know Not that it matters, he’s allowed his preference. But I’d guess what I think he’ll go for, and if he prefers larger sizes then I’d suggest he realise this isn’t the most productive way of attracting his preferred group. Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this He might be looking for larger ladies." I know! The post above mine said if he was then it wasn't the right way of attracting them, I was merely agreeing. I personally have no doubt about the type woman he's looking for | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy." I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy." You assume that people who may make an assumption about your tightly kept secret dress size preference must be lacking confidence themselves. Why can’t they just be people who are tired of people hiding behind facades? I’ve no issue with you having a preference or that preference not being a larger lady (assumption, I know) but, my eye roll is at the thread suggestions without owning why it’s something you’d want, it’s the predictability and ball aching defensive passive aggressive attack on women having insecurities. Boring. | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. You assume that people who may make an assumption about your tightly kept secret dress size preference must be lacking confidence themselves. Why can’t they just be people who are tired of people hiding behind facades? I’ve no issue with you having a preference or that preference not being a larger lady (assumption, I know) but, my eye roll is at the thread suggestions without owning why it’s something you’d want, it’s the predictability and ball aching defensive passive aggressive attack on women having insecurities. Boring. " | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy " I couldnt agree with you more. I find any form of body shaming abhorrent. Please explain what that remotely has to do with this thread? | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. You assume that people who may make an assumption about your tightly kept secret dress size preference must be lacking confidence themselves. Why can’t they just be people who are tired of people hiding behind facades? I’ve no issue with you having a preference or that preference not being a larger lady (assumption, I know) but, my eye roll is at the thread suggestions without owning why it’s something you’d want, it’s the predictability and ball aching defensive passive aggressive attack on women having insecurities. Boring. " No. That was a specific response to 'I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this' and was made in specifically that context. That's why it was a reply. | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy I couldnt agree with you more. I find any form of body shaming abhorrent. Please explain what that remotely has to do with this thread?" Because the (assumption) is that you have contacted someone and been disappointed that they weren't the size you like, now again it's an assumption, that the said lady was bigger than you like but I would struggle to find anyone who on seeing a slimmer (fitter?) lady than they were expecting turned around and said to her, sorry I can't take this further you're much too slim and 'fit'! Apologies if I have got your intentions wrong however | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. You assume that people who may make an assumption about your tightly kept secret dress size preference must be lacking confidence themselves. Why can’t they just be people who are tired of people hiding behind facades? I’ve no issue with you having a preference or that preference not being a larger lady (assumption, I know) but, my eye roll is at the thread suggestions without owning why it’s something you’d want, it’s the predictability and ball aching defensive passive aggressive attack on women having insecurities. Boring. No. That was a specific response to 'I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this' and was made in specifically that context. That's why it was a reply." And you can take my reply as a response to that. | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. You assume that people who may make an assumption about your tightly kept secret dress size preference must be lacking confidence themselves. Why can’t they just be people who are tired of people hiding behind facades? I’ve no issue with you having a preference or that preference not being a larger lady (assumption, I know) but, my eye roll is at the thread suggestions without owning why it’s something you’d want, it’s the predictability and ball aching defensive passive aggressive attack on women having insecurities. Boring. " Absolutely I much prefer people who are able to 'own it' Tell it like it bloody well is, instead of dressing stuff up as something else | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy I couldnt agree with you more. I find any form of body shaming abhorrent. Please explain what that remotely has to do with this thread? Because the (assumption) is that you have contacted someone and been disappointed that they weren't the size you like, now again it's an assumption, that the said lady was bigger than you like but I would struggle to find anyone who on seeing a slimmer (fitter?) lady than they were expecting turned around and said to her, sorry I can't take this further you're much too slim and 'fit'! Apologies if I have got your intentions wrong however " Thank you for the apology, and yes you definitely got my intentions wrong. | |||
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" Absolutely I much prefer people who are able to 'own it' Tell it like it bloody well is, instead of dressing stuff up as something else I have told it as it is, I've also tried to respond honestly to many posts. I think it would help people find those they are more likely to be physically attractive to. Nobody has a problem with the height requirements. " Why not honestly and openly state your preference? You’d appease those who feel you’re not “owning it”. | |||
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" Because society and the media have done an effective job of dictating the image of the 'perfect' woman, and making the rest feel shite for being who they are and what they look like." That's a tragedy and difficult to argue with. I don't believe most men approach an advertisers idea of the perfect women. For many of us they're not perfect. | |||
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" Absolutely I much prefer people who are able to 'own it' Tell it like it bloody well is, instead of dressing stuff up as something else I have told it as it is, I've also tried to respond honestly to many posts. I think it would help people find those they are more likely to be physically attractive to. Nobody has a problem with the height requirements. You cant see people's height in a photo But you can get a pretty good idea of what size they are, from one!" For no other reason that I'd appease one group while alienating another. This is in no way a veiled attack on any women. I cannot stop people from making unfair or unjustified assumptions. | |||
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" Absolutely I much prefer people who are able to 'own it' Tell it like it bloody well is, instead of dressing stuff up as something else I have told it as it is, I've also tried to respond honestly to many posts. I think it would help people find those they are more likely to be physically attractive to. Nobody has a problem with the height requirements. Why not honestly and openly state your preference? You’d appease those who feel you’re not “owning it”. " Indeed | |||
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" Absolutely I much prefer people who are able to 'own it' Tell it like it bloody well is, instead of dressing stuff up as something else I have told it as it is, I've also tried to respond honestly to many posts. I think it would help people find those they are more likely to be physically attractive to. Nobody has a problem with the height requirements. Why not honestly and openly state your preference? You’d appease those who feel you’re not “owning it”. " This. It would help if men with a preference for slim or larger ladies put it on their profiles. OP, you obviously have a preference otherwise you wouldn’t have started the thread in the first place so I find it a bit hypocritical that you won’t state what your preference is yet think women should put their dress size on their profiles. | |||
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"Would it be better all around if you could search on dress size? Some people prefer large ladies many prefer smaller. It would help people to see past close up pictures that give you no idea of body shape. It might reduce the number of women who get rejected later on in the selection process by 'time wasters'." Clothing manufacturers have increased the sizes in the UK now anyway. A today’s size 10 is an old size 12 etc. Next we’re the first to do it quickly followed by most others. It’s a minefield on Fab regardless of a dress size. | |||
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" Nobody has a problem with the height requirements. You cant see people's height in a photo But you can get a pretty good idea of what size they are, from one!" I completely agree with you and as a number have said on this thread, none of this matters if there are clear body pictures on a profile, but most choose not to. Many do by the way! | |||
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"I'm totally in favour of OP's suggestion... as long as there's ALSO an option to search by income level, marital status and race/shoe size preference too, since he seems to heading in that direction... Now that you mention it, I prefer VWE divorced males, no kids, size 12 feet upwards, age/size no matter earning upwards of six figures (preferably in pound sterling) as it takes rather a lot to properly entertain and amuse a stellar fat-ass like me. Carry on... " Let’s add IQ, EQ, political leanings... | |||
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" This. It would help if men with a preference for slim or larger ladies put it on their profiles. OP, you obviously have a preference otherwise you wouldn’t have started the thread in the first place so I find it a bit hypocritical that you won’t state what your preference is yet think women should put their dress size on their profiles." I think that is a fair balanced observation, but I will not personalise this thread by stating my preferences. Its simply an idea to help people find people they're more likely to be physically attracted to. | |||
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"I'm totally in favour of OP's suggestion... as long as there's ALSO an option to search by income level, marital status and race/shoe size preference too, since he seems to heading in that direction... Now that you mention it, I prefer VWE divorced males, no kids, size 12 feet upwards, age/size no matter earning upwards of six figures (preferably in pound sterling) as it takes rather a lot to properly entertain and amuse a stellar fat-ass like me. Carry on... " I tick all of those boxes apart from being a proud father, so for that reason I've counted myself out. | |||
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" This. It would help if men with a preference for slim or larger ladies put it on their profiles. OP, you obviously have a preference otherwise you wouldn’t have started the thread in the first place so I find it a bit hypocritical that you won’t state what your preference is yet think women should put their dress size on their profiles. I think that is a fair balanced observation, but I will not personalise this thread by stating my preferences. Its simply an idea to help people find people they're more likely to be physically attracted to." But you chose dress size, meaning this is the specific qualifier you selected as of importance to have clarified for attraction selection. Thus likely it is one of importance to you. But when challenged on why you chose it, you’re unwilling to personalise but say it’s unfair that people have inferred things from all of this. Yes, it’s just an idea. It would work for some, for others not. But it has demonstrated that it’s high on your list of importance, not that there’s anything wrong with that, it just means those who don’t find body size so important or have had negative experiences with being objectified or found those that are so fixated on it a bit shallow and uninteresting may swerve you. That’s all fair. | |||
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"I haven't read the thread, but... Has any woman ever asked people what dress size they think she is? On a few rare occasions other women have guessed mine right, but I have yet for a man to guess correctly (even though I have full length naked pics up). So....I don't even think most guys would know what they were actually searching for given the opportunity to search by dress size." I’d guess you were a size 8 And I’d also guess to counter the balance the cock you’re riding is a W/E version | |||
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"Personally I think if dress size was the ruling - people would just lie about it like they lie about body shape now. If a Large Lady posts she is slim then before a meet or after a meet the guy stops contact because of this... why is it the guy who’s a time waster? Honesty Is ALWAYS the best size " Honesty is. How do we truthfully vet the patronising objectifying plonkers out though? Especially when they aren’t self aware to tick the right box. It’s a pain indeed. | |||
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"I haven't read the thread, but... Has any woman ever asked people what dress size they think she is? On a few rare occasions other women have guessed mine right, but I have yet for a man to guess correctly (even though I have full length naked pics up). So....I don't even think most guys would know what they were actually searching for given the opportunity to search by dress size. I’d guess you were a size 8 And I’d also guess to counter the balance the cock you’re riding is a W/E version " With your height I would hazard a guess at size 10. Never view the cock though | |||
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"Totally agree with MissWilkes comments about height vs dress size. Maybe everyone should give a Body Mass Index and then you can search on this Lol " Body mass index is bollocks too A woman could be slim and her boobs massive that push her bmi up Or someone could be a gym bunny and bmi could be higher than body indicates | |||
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"It's interesting that many people assume that asking for dress size means you want to rule out women at the higher end of a very arbitary scale. The guy made a suggestion that he thought might make things clearer. I don't think it was an attempt to insult anybody of any size. People always seem to take offence at things that I don’t find offensive on here " FTFY | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy " He hasn't shamed anyone about their size! The women on this thread are the ones doing the shaming. OP I think as others have said, that sizes can differ depending on height and build so it might not work. It's a very good point though. And very well made at that. | |||
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"Lots of people have mentioned that sizing isnt that straightforward. Personally, I have some clothes that are size twelve, and some size 20. They all fit My understanding is that lady's clothes sizes are still based on those set in the 50's ( when people were obviously not so well nourished) Have you read those comments OP? What are your thoughts?" My thoughts are that its a guide and not an exact science. Dont assume that my preference is for a women who percieves herself as a size 12 as opposed to a size 20 (both sizes you state you can claim to be). That said, I'm confident most people would visually have an idea of the difference between the two sizes. | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy He hasn't shamed anyone about their size! The women on this thread are the ones doing the shaming. OP I think as others have said, that sizes can differ depending on height and build so it might not work. It's a very good point though. And very well made at that. " I agree he hasn’t, and haven’t said at any point he has. It’s the need to focus or highlight a qualifier for sizing that bores me. Like your need to start a race baiting thread the other day. But you’re both perfectly entitled to post as people are to reply. | |||
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"Lots of people have mentioned that sizing isnt that straightforward. Personally, I have some clothes that are size twelve, and some size 20. They all fit My understanding is that lady's clothes sizes are still based on those set in the 50's ( when people were obviously not so well nourished) Have you read those comments OP? What are your thoughts?" I love this I’m not fat I am well nourished | |||
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"Lots of people have mentioned that sizing isnt that straightforward. Personally, I have some clothes that are size twelve, and some size 20. They all fit My understanding is that lady's clothes sizes are still based on those set in the 50's ( when people were obviously not so well nourished) Have you read those comments OP? What are your thoughts? My thoughts are that its a guide and not an exact science. Dont assume that my preference is for a women who percieves herself as a size 12 as opposed to a size 20 (both sizes you state you can claim to be). That said, I'm confident most people would visually have an idea of the difference between the two sizes." You have ever so slightly missed the point! I dont 'claim' to be either size! I was trying to illustrate... Oh, never mind | |||
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"Lots of people have mentioned that sizing isnt that straightforward. Personally, I have some clothes that are size twelve, and some size 20. They all fit My understanding is that lady's clothes sizes are still based on those set in the 50's ( when people were obviously not so well nourished) Have you read those comments OP? What are your thoughts? I love this I’m not fat I am well nourished " | |||
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"Lots of people have mentioned that sizing isnt that straightforward. Personally, I have some clothes that are size twelve, and some size 20. They all fit My understanding is that lady's clothes sizes are still based on those set in the 50's ( when people were obviously not so well nourished) Have you read those comments OP? What are your thoughts? My thoughts are that its a guide and not an exact science. Dont assume that my preference is for a women who percieves herself as a size 12 as opposed to a size 20 (both sizes you state you can claim to be). That said, I'm confident most people would visually have an idea of the difference between the two sizes." I think some if whats being said though is that as you state above: people can have an idea of the difference between sizes but if you can wear both depending on the make of the item how would saying obe size represent the other aswell? | |||
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"Lots of people have mentioned that sizing isnt that straightforward. Personally, I have some clothes that are size twelve, and some size 20. They all fit My understanding is that lady's clothes sizes are still based on those set in the 50's ( when people were obviously not so well nourished) Have you read those comments OP? What are your thoughts? My thoughts are that its a guide and not an exact science. Dont assume that my preference is for a women who percieves herself as a size 12 as opposed to a size 20 (both sizes you state you can claim to be). That said, I'm confident most people would visually have an idea of the difference between the two sizes. You have ever so slightly missed the point! I dont 'claim' to be either size! I was trying to illustrate... Oh, never mind " I haven't missed your point, i respectfully suggest that you have missed mine. | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy He hasn't shamed anyone about their size! The women on this thread are the ones doing the shaming. OP I think as others have said, that sizes can differ depending on height and build so it might not work. It's a very good point though. And very well made at that. I agree he hasn’t, and haven’t said at any point he has. It’s the need to focus or highlight a qualifier for sizing that bores me. Like your need to start a race baiting thread the other day. But you’re both perfectly entitled to post as people are to reply. " No I wasn't race baiting. It was a thread about preferences, but as always the same people got pissed off making up their own idea of what I was asking. I merely said I wouldn't fuck x y z. I didn't say it was for negative reasons. Yet everyone assumed I was racist. They ignored the other 'types' I mentioned in the OP. Same as they are doing on this thread. | |||
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"It's interesting that many people assume that asking for dress size means you want to rule out women at the higher end of a very arbitary scale. The guy made a suggestion that he thought might make things clearer. I don't think it was an attempt to insult anybody of any size. People always seem to take offence at things that I don’t find offensive on here FTFY There was no need dear " Perhaps there was, actually. | |||
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"It's interesting that many people assume that asking for dress size means you want to rule out women at the higher end of a very arbitary scale. The guy made a suggestion that he thought might make things clearer. I don't think it was an attempt to insult anybody of any size. People always seem to take offence for no reason on here Only the select few, as always " I don't come on the lounge enough to notice who But most threads usually end up with someone being offended Ah well takes all sorts | |||
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"I'm a one size fits all, size Depends on the time of year, what size I am! " I think you give your frock size away on a thread somewhere | |||
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"It's interesting that many people assume that asking for dress size means you want to rule out women at the higher end of a very arbitary scale. The guy made a suggestion that he thought might make things clearer. I don't think it was an attempt to insult anybody of any size. People always seem to take offence at things that I don’t find offensive on here FTFY There was no need dear Perhaps there was, actually. " Well you did so well done | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy He hasn't shamed anyone about their size! The women on this thread are the ones doing the shaming. OP I think as others have said, that sizes can differ depending on height and build so it might not work. It's a very good point though. And very well made at that. I agree he hasn’t, and haven’t said at any point he has. It’s the need to focus or highlight a qualifier for sizing that bores me. Like your need to start a race baiting thread the other day. But you’re both perfectly entitled to post as people are to reply. No I wasn't race baiting. It was a thread about preferences, but as always the same people got pissed off making up their own idea of what I was asking. I merely said I wouldn't fuck x y z. I didn't say it was for negative reasons. Yet everyone assumed I was racist. They ignored the other 'types' I mentioned in the OP. Same as they are doing on this thread. " I didn’t assume you were racist. You intended to be controversial. You included race to that end. | |||
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"I suspect too that the op has seen many profiles that either specifically request certain physical attributes thst he possesses and plenty that specifically state they don't want them." It's ok for *some* people to state preferences. It's not ok for men to fuck any wet hole. It's never ever ok for men to want to find someone attractive. | |||
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"If people asked my dress size and I gave them the size I average in the majority of shops as a way of them filtering out those who are bigger or smaller than their preference then they would likely be disappointed if they met me purely on the basis of that information. A size 14 on average fits me but a size 14 short clingy dress will show a podgy stomach and other podgy bits on top of relatively skinny legs once you get past the thunder thighs so I may wear a size 14 but I will wear a dress that suits my proportions. Dress size is not an indicator of those. Hence why I, like many other, have body pics that give an idea of my shape and size on my profile and more candid ones in friends only I can share with people I may meet so they can make a visually informed decision." Your pictures are clear. As many have said, clear body pictures are the best option. Many do not want to have body pictures and as this thread has highlighted, many do not want to share dress size. It was simply a suggestion because it has ALWAYS helped me when stated on a profile as part of the overall picture of person im approaching. Nothing beats a clear picture though. | |||
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" Think he's trying to keep his options open but yes I agree I doubt any larger lady would take him seriously after this Only larger ladies who make an assumption about me based to some degree on their personal insecurities would allow a thread like this to effect whether or not they took me seriously. One preference that I will share with you is that I'm very attracted to female confidence, a women who is happy in her skin. I dont think that type of women would be put off, she'd possibly be more attracted by my honesty, confidence and lack of sycophancy. I'm perfectly happy in my own skin thank you, but when someone attempts to shame others because of their size that does not make me happy He hasn't shamed anyone about their size! The women on this thread are the ones doing the shaming. OP I think as others have said, that sizes can differ depending on height and build so it might not work. It's a very good point though. And very well made at that. I agree he hasn’t, and haven’t said at any point he has. It’s the need to focus or highlight a qualifier for sizing that bores me. Like your need to start a race baiting thread the other day. But you’re both perfectly entitled to post as people are to reply. No I wasn't race baiting. It was a thread about preferences, but as always the same people got pissed off making up their own idea of what I was asking. I merely said I wouldn't fuck x y z. I didn't say it was for negative reasons. Yet everyone assumed I was racist. They ignored the other 'types' I mentioned in the OP. Same as they are doing on this thread. I didnt assume you were racist. You intended to be controversial. You included race to that end. " No my intention wasn't to be controversial, it was to show a range of preferences and ask why some are supposedly ok yet others aren't. People are allowed to fuck whoever they do and don't want to! My point of that thread was that people are often shamed for their preferences- exactly what so many have done on this thread. The OP merely asked a question yet he got slammed for supposedly shaming women and not wanting to meet fat women. He did neither!! It's been another great example of this. Thanks OP. | |||
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"No. It smacks of body-shaming, and women often wear different sized clothes, since the fit varies between brands, fabrics, shops, actual item of clothing etc. I'm a 12 bottom and a 14 top so how would that work on me??? " Go for the middle ground, a size 13 perhaps | |||
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