Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Back to forum list |
Back to The Lounge |
Jump to newest |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are all men opportunists or not programmed for monogamy, or need attention from elsewhere?" I think that, as women, we have more experience with men acting inappropriately. I recall one Christmas party where two different men who worked with my husband were hitting on me and, when I reminded them about their wives, one went on and on about how their relationship was on the rocks...etc, etc. But I don't think such behavior is limited to men - ask any random man if he has experienced inappropriate behavior from a married woman before and I bet it won't take long to get a yes. I think plenty of people (not all people) in society would be better suited to having multiple partners, rather than being monogamous. I also think that even people who are suited to monogamy like a bit of attention sometimes and like to feel desirable - especially to people they find attractive. Flirting with and eliciting reactions from people is a way to satisfy that need for attention. That's what I think, anyway. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are all men opportunists or not programmed for monogamy, or need attention from elsewhere? I think that, as women, we have more experience with men acting inappropriately. I recall one Christmas party where two different men who worked with my husband were hitting on me and, when I reminded them about their wives, one went on and on about how their relationship was on the rocks...etc, etc. But I don't think such behavior is limited to men - ask any random man if he has experienced inappropriate behavior from a married woman before and I bet it won't take long to get a yes. I think plenty of people (not all people) in society would be better suited to having multiple partners, rather than being monogamous. I also think that even people who are suited to monogamy like a bit of attention sometimes and like to feel desirable - especially to people they find attractive. Flirting with and eliciting reactions from people is a way to satisfy that need for attention. That's what I think, anyway. " I think you've hit the nail on the head here. There's times when I've been monogamous for long periods however the flirting and opportunistic nature is still there and from what I've seen amoungst my piers, it seems to be the same in the main. Although there are cases where men will flat out refuse to engage in any extramarital flirting let alone anoytjing else. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yeah, it's gonna go both ways isn't it with women doing it but obviously I only have experience of guys doing it. Just doesn't fill me with much hope that any guy I got with would be completely loyal to me. Seriously makes me think that I'd say we are having the type of relationship that allows him to have an opportunist fuck, not a plannes one with messages and emotions, a one night stand on a lads holiday or a night out and he's to tell me about it afterwards. I'd ask him if she's did any special tricks or things he likes that I could do. I'd like to think I would be enough for a guy but I don't even think it's about that. " Speaking from experience, it's not about that. Wasn't for me anyway. I strayed for different reasons. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all men opportunists or not programmed for monogamy, or need attention from elsewhere? " God no. I think men are slightly driven by the need to "sow their seed", but most men don't actually do it (I think). I was perfectly monogamous for my 13 year marriage, and then for 8 years with my current partner. Swinging was actually her idea. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yeah, it's gonna go both ways isn't it with women doing it but obviously I only have experience of guys doing it. Just doesn't fill me with much hope that any guy I got with would be completely loyal to me. Seriously makes me think that I'd say we are having the type of relationship that allows him to have an opportunist fuck, not a plannes one with messages and emotions, a one night stand on a lads holiday or a night out and he's to tell me about it afterwards. I'd ask him if she's did any special tricks or things he likes that I could do. I'd like to think I would be enough for a guy but I don't even think it's about that. Speaking from experience, it's not about that. Wasn't for me anyway. I strayed for different reasons. " My experiences of married guys is that they married nice and want to shag nasty with me being the nasty but it's like mother fucker I'm domesticated and talented, I could have my tongue up your arse whilst making rice crispie cakes and make you really dinner box in the morning ready for work. I dunno, always learning I am, reading things on here, experiences in life, I'm getting prepared to welcome a husband type into my life and I don't want to be shat on. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yeah, it's gonna go both ways isn't it with women doing it but obviously I only have experience of guys doing it. Just doesn't fill me with much hope that any guy I got with would be completely loyal to me. Seriously makes me think that I'd say we are having the type of relationship that allows him to have an opportunist fuck, not a plannes one with messages and emotions, a one night stand on a lads holiday or a night out and he's to tell me about it afterwards. I'd ask him if she's did any special tricks or things he likes that I could do. I'd like to think I would be enough for a guy but I don't even think it's about that. " You can never be 100% certain that someone won't cheat on you. The best you can do is determine for yourself whether you fully trust the person you're with not to cheat on you given what you know about them. I have known men who I would imagine would never cheat, and I've known men who probably would. Same with women. It all comes down to taking a chance with someone. As for having a relationship where you allow the other person one night stands - if you're happy with that then that's fine. But you also have to ask yourself where that leads. Will the person take advantage of it? What if they have a one night stand every time they are away for the night? Is that ok? Are you really ok hearing about it all? What if they tell you stuff that the person they had sex with did better than you....ostensibly just so you know how to do it better. Would that be ok? Or would you be jealous? Be honest with yourself about these things before going down this path. I know this sounds odd coming from someone who swings with her husband, but I wouldn't be happy in a relationship where I let my husband have sex when he wanted just to avoid him cheating on me. That's not to say some people wouldn't be happy with that - I'm sure plenty would. I just personally don't think my emotions could handle that. Do you think yours could? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yeah, it's gonna go both ways isn't it with women doing it but obviously I only have experience of guys doing it. Just doesn't fill me with much hope that any guy I got with would be completely loyal to me. Seriously makes me think that I'd say we are having the type of relationship that allows him to have an opportunist fuck, not a plannes one with messages and emotions, a one night stand on a lads holiday or a night out and he's to tell me about it afterwards. I'd ask him if she's did any special tricks or things he likes that I could do. I'd like to think I would be enough for a guy but I don't even think it's about that. You can never be 100% certain that someone won't cheat on you. The best you can do is determine for yourself whether you fully trust the person you're with not to cheat on you given what you know about them. I have known men who I would imagine would never cheat, and I've known men who probably would. Same with women. It all comes down to taking a chance with someone. As for having a relationship where you allow the other person one night stands - if you're happy with that then that's fine. But you also have to ask yourself where that leads. Will the person take advantage of it? What if they have a one night stand every time they are away for the night? Is that ok? Are you really ok hearing about it all? What if they tell you stuff that the person they had sex with did better than you....ostensibly just so you know how to do it better. Would that be ok? Or would you be jealous? Be honest with yourself about these things before going down this path. I know this sounds odd coming from someone who swings with her husband, but I wouldn't be happy in a relationship where I let my husband have sex when he wanted just to avoid him cheating on me. That's not to say some people wouldn't be happy with that - I'm sure plenty would. I just personally don't think my emotions could handle that. Do you think yours could?" It's the sneakiness that would piss me off more, them thinking they have something over me, having a little secret or emotional conversations with women. I'd take the Pepsi challenge over any bird in the sack but I would also be open to improvements. My husband/partner would also know, anything he can do, I can do BETTER, and he would know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Course I wouldn't want to sleep with anyone else because I'm happy with one guy, but he would know that *if* I wanted to I could have a guy hanging out of every orrifice. My experience of most cheating guys is that they would hate for some guy to have his dirty hands all over his wife so on that basis alone I'd (secretly) hope it would put him off doing it. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" It's the sneakiness that would piss me off more, them thinking they have something over me, having a little secret or emotional conversations with women. I'd take the Pepsi challenge over any bird in the sack but I would also be open to improvements. My husband/partner would also know, anything he can do, I can do BETTER, and he would know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Course I wouldn't want to sleep with anyone else because I'm happy with one guy, but he would know that *if* I wanted to I could have a guy hanging out of every orrifice. My experience of most cheating guys is that they would hate for some guy to have his dirty hands all over his wife so on that basis alone I'd (secretly) hope it would put him off doing it. " I don`t cheat and if a new partner was to assume that i might and/or said/implied that they could "do better", or "whats good for the goose" etc i wouldn`t stick around to wonder if they where cheating because they thought i was cheating. I would feel that they do not respect me, have trust issues and the future would be filled with accusations and pettyness. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm posting here because ya'know, we're quite a liberal bunch with tonnes of different views. My question, my musings my wonderings are... Are all men opportunists or not programmed for monogamy, or need attention from elsewhere? I'm basing this on men in the real world that I know are married, the guy I fancy that comes in the gym that flirts massively and makes inappropriate comments to me (innapropriate because I wouldn't appreciate my husband saying what he says to me) the father of a kid in one of my daughters classes, he whatsapped a picture to me ages ago cos I didn't have my phone so he now has my number and messages me stuff with kisses on the end of the message and I respond with factual information and not anything inappropriate and no kisses then he says don't drop me in it (I front of his wife) that we message. Guys flirt with me and I know they're attached, is it me, do I come across as someone that would support extra marital shit? Makes me think when/if I get a boyfriend I'm gonna straight up say to him, look if you have a chance for an opportunist fuck then take it but tell me and use protection. I couldn't handle the sneakiness and then thinking they have some fun secret, that would hurt me more than the sex. I dunno, the shadiness doesn't fill me with hope. " well its all in your in post oppertunist will take an oppertunity ..if the men didnt feel like there was an oppertunity then i doubt they will try and flirt seems like another male bashing thread to me | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"No" That's what my ex would call 'A clean No'. Glad to see it. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" It's the sneakiness that would piss me off more, them thinking they have something over me, having a little secret or emotional conversations with women. I'd take the Pepsi challenge over any bird in the sack but I would also be open to improvements. My husband/partner would also know, anything he can do, I can do BETTER, and he would know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Course I wouldn't want to sleep with anyone else because I'm happy with one guy, but he would know that *if* I wanted to I could have a guy hanging out of every orrifice. My experience of most cheating guys is that they would hate for some guy to have his dirty hands all over his wife so on that basis alone I'd (secretly) hope it would put him off doing it. I don`t cheat and if a new partner was to assume that i might and/or said/implied that they could "do better", or "whats good for the goose" etc i wouldn`t stick around to wonder if they where cheating because they thought i was cheating. I would feel that they do not respect me, have trust issues and the future would be filled with accusations and pettyness. " It's not cheating though is it if I say to a potential new guy that he has my full permission to have sex with someone if the opportunity came about and he wanted to. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" It's the sneakiness that would piss me off more, them thinking they have something over me, having a little secret or emotional conversations with women. I'd take the Pepsi challenge over any bird in the sack but I would also be open to improvements. My husband/partner would also know, anything he can do, I can do BETTER, and he would know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Course I wouldn't want to sleep with anyone else because I'm happy with one guy, but he would know that *if* I wanted to I could have a guy hanging out of every orrifice. My experience of most cheating guys is that they would hate for some guy to have his dirty hands all over his wife so on that basis alone I'd (secretly) hope it would put him off doing it. I don`t cheat and if a new partner was to assume that i might and/or said/implied that they could "do better", or "whats good for the goose" etc i wouldn`t stick around to wonder if they where cheating because they thought i was cheating. I would feel that they do not respect me, have trust issues and the future would be filled with accusations and pettyness. It's not cheating though is it if I say to a potential new guy that he has my full permission to have sex with someone if the opportunity came about and he wanted to. " A guy may not want to do that to you tho. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I saw a great quote recently: Cheating is a personal decision. Some will never cheat no matter how bad things are. Others will always cheat no matter how good they have it." That's a good quote | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" It's the sneakiness that would piss me off more, them thinking they have something over me, having a little secret or emotional conversations with women. I'd take the Pepsi challenge over any bird in the sack but I would also be open to improvements. My husband/partner would also know, anything he can do, I can do BETTER, and he would know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Course I wouldn't want to sleep with anyone else because I'm happy with one guy, but he would know that *if* I wanted to I could have a guy hanging out of every orrifice. My experience of most cheating guys is that they would hate for some guy to have his dirty hands all over his wife so on that basis alone I'd (secretly) hope it would put him off doing it. I don`t cheat and if a new partner was to assume that i might and/or said/implied that they could "do better", or "whats good for the goose" etc i wouldn`t stick around to wonder if they where cheating because they thought i was cheating. I would feel that they do not respect me, have trust issues and the future would be filled with accusations and pettyness. It's not cheating though is it if I say to a potential new guy that he has my full permission to have sex with someone if the opportunity came about and he wanted to. " It wouldn`t be cheating if it was an open relationship, however threatening to have someone hanging out of every orifice if they do isn`t very open or good start to the relationship. That is nothing to do with my point though. The problem is that you think they would do it even without permission, word it how you want but you still don`t trust them which leads to the question, would you trust them to tell you they had slept with someone else? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Most men will flirt just to be sure they've still "got it" There's a world of difference between a flirt and an affair. Most are not looking for an affair, though if the woman we're to show an interest, most men would find it difficult to say no as in those circumstances the brain tends to be overruled by the genitals." I think if you told him he could have a one night stand then he would. Even if that had never been a possibility. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Most men will flirt just to be sure they've still "got it" There's a world of difference between a flirt and an affair. Most are not looking for an affair, though if the woman we're to show an interest, most men would find it difficult to say no as in those circumstances the brain tends to be overruled by the genitals. I think if you told him he could have a one night stand then he would. Even if that had never been a possibility. " He might. I can barely be arsed to persue one woman, let alone several, so I'm sre, were I given this option, I probably wouldn't take it. What I might, do, however, is assume that you wanted an open reationship/to fuck other guys and would probably decide that you weren't for me. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Most men will flirt just to be sure they've still "got it" There's a world of difference between a flirt and an affair. Most are not looking for an affair, though if the woman we're to show an interest, most men would find it difficult to say no as in those circumstances the brain tends to be overruled by the genitals. I think if you told him he could have a one night stand then he would. Even if that had never been a possibility. He might. I can barely be arsed to persue one woman, let alone several, so I'm sre, were I given this option, I probably wouldn't take it. What I might, do, however, is assume that you wanted an open reationship/to fuck other guys and would probably decide that you weren't for me. " That's an interesting slant I hadn't thought of. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The church invented marriage. Did it? Didn't it? X" I don't know. I *thought* it was older than the church and definitely is a part of non Christian cultures too, but I don't know the history of it. I think there's some argument that some other species mate for life (or close to it) too. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The church invented marriage. Did it? Didn't it? X I don't know. I *thought* it was older than the church and definitely is a part of non Christian cultures too, but I don't know the history of it. I think there's some argument that some other species mate for life (or close to it) too." I'm just readin about it now. Yes your right seams like aborigines invented marriage some 5000 years bc. I lye corrected. xxx | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The church invented marriage. Did it? Didn't it? X I don't know. I *thought* it was older than the church and definitely is a part of non Christian cultures too, but I don't know the history of it. I think there's some argument that some other species mate for life (or close to it) too. I'm just readin about it now. Yes your right seams like aborigines invented marriage some 5000 years bc. I lye corrected. xxx" Ooh That was unexpected | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The church invented marriage. Did it? Didn't it? X I don't know. I *thought* it was older than the church and definitely is a part of non Christian cultures too, but I don't know the history of it. I think there's some argument that some other species mate for life (or close to it) too. I'm just readin about it now. Yes your right seams like aborigines invented marriage some 5000 years bc. I lye corrected. xxx Ooh That was unexpected " It's also thought that Abraham brought about a marragige law for ownership of land. Love didn't come into it. So could tec be argued that as hebrew is a form of religion that it was made by the "church" although back in those days a husband could take as many wives as he wanted. It was the Catholic church that invented monogamy ?? xxx | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm posting here because ya'know, we're quite a liberal bunch with tonnes of different views. My question, my musings my wonderings are... Are all men opportunists or not programmed for monogamy, or need attention from elsewhere? I'm basing this on men in the real world that I know are married, the guy I fancy that comes in the gym that flirts massively and makes inappropriate comments to me (innapropriate because I wouldn't appreciate my husband saying what he says to me) the father of a kid in one of my daughters classes, he whatsapped a picture to me ages ago cos I didn't have my phone so he now has my number and messages me stuff with kisses on the end of the message and I respond with factual information and not anything inappropriate and no kisses then he says don't drop me in it (I front of his wife) that we message. Guys flirt with me and I know they're attached, is it me, do I come across as someone that would support extra marital shit? Makes me think when/if I get a boyfriend I'm gonna straight up say to him, look if you have a chance for an opportunist fuck then take it but tell me and use protection. I couldn't handle the sneakiness and then thinking they have some fun secret, that would hurt me more than the sex. I dunno, the shadiness doesn't fill me with hope. " I think men are becoming worse in there behaviour because of sitea like this and modern technology. I'm not a rude man but find myself messaging women through facebook etc things I wouldn't normally say to them . Now I find myself saying things to , I'm a lot more flirty than ever before. If I was you and you don't like it tell them . I'm single by the way lol and wouldn't be unfaithful if I was in a relationship. Good luck . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm posting here because ya'know, we're quite a liberal bunch with tonnes of different views. My question, my musings my wonderings are... Are all men opportunists or not programmed for monogamy, or need attention from elsewhere? I'm basing this on men in the real world that I know are married, the guy I fancy that comes in the gym that flirts massively and makes inappropriate comments to me (innapropriate because I wouldn't appreciate my husband saying what he says to me) the father of a kid in one of my daughters classes, he whatsapped a picture to me ages ago cos I didn't have my phone so he now has my number and messages me stuff with kisses on the end of the message and I respond with factual information and not anything inappropriate and no kisses then he says don't drop me in it (I front of his wife) that we message. Guys flirt with me and I know they're attached, is it me, do I come across as someone that would support extra marital shit? Makes me think when/if I get a boyfriend I'm gonna straight up say to him, look if you have a chance for an opportunist fuck then take it but tell me and use protection. I couldn't handle the sneakiness and then thinking they have some fun secret, that would hurt me more than the sex. I dunno, the shadiness doesn't fill me with hope. I think men are becoming worse in there behaviour because of sitea like this and modern technology. I'm not a rude man but find myself messaging women through facebook etc things I wouldn't normally say to them . Now I find myself saying things to , I'm a lot more flirty than ever before. If I was you and you don't like it tell them . I'm single by the way lol and wouldn't be unfaithful if I was in a relationship. Good luck . " I think that many people have lost track of what is acceptable. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"OP, I think you would make a great girlfriend. You can cook, you're hot and you're kinky . https://youtu.be/4m1EFMoRFvY" How do you know I can cook? I can by the way and yes I'd be the perfect wife. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Makes me think when/if I get a boyfriend I'm gonna straight up say to him, look if you have a chance for an opportunist fuck then take it but tell me and use protection. I couldn't handle the sneakiness and then thinking they have some fun secret, that would hurt me more than the sex. I dunno, the shadiness doesn't fill me with hope. " Would you seriously say that,I don't know you but you come across as someone who would rip both their faces off if you found out,so it would be more acceptable if he told you first? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"OP, I think you would make a great girlfriend. You can cook, you're hot and you're kinky . https://youtu.be/4m1EFMoRFvY How do you know I can cook? I can by the way and yes I'd be the perfect wife. " Sunday roast pic . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Most men would fuck anyone and most would be unfaithful if the choice was there and some women the same . I work with loads of men and the things they get upto is shocking .All apparently happily married . Men dont no how to date and gain respect ,too many players ." Ouch... we are not all the same... (Or perhaps I should just clear my name) Anyone I won't fuck (Maybe just kiss and suck) I think I should be on the game. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Most men would fuck anyone and most would be unfaithful if the choice was there and some women the same . I work with loads of men and the things they get upto is shocking .All apparently happily married . Men dont no how to date and gain respect ,too many players . Ouch... we are not all the same... (Or perhaps I should just clear my name) Anyone I won't fuck (Maybe just kiss and suck) I think I should be on the game. " All the same until proven otherwise | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"From an article in the Guardian in 2005. 'One in 25 fathers may not be the biological parent of the child they believe to be theirs, according to a study published today.' Snakes of both gender?" Cheaper than ivf | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"From an article in the Guardian in 2005. 'One in 25 fathers may not be the biological parent of the child they believe to be theirs, according to a study published today.' Snakes of both gender? Cheaper than ivf " | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Post new Message to Thread |
back to top |