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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Anyone know how the new government anti porn laws being brought in next April will affect UK based sites like this?

As we will have to prove we are over 18 to access any site that shows adult images how will it work on here?

Word is we will have to hand over credit card details as those are only available to over 18s. But what if you don't have a credit card?

A lot of people say that you can simply use a VPN to get round the over 18 check but all UK based sites will have to have age verification checks in place or get fined up to £250,000 so VPN's won't work as a get around.

Also isp providers will be forced block access to sites don't conform to the new rules.

Like to hear your thoughts on this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love anything that prevents kids from being bombarded by porn.

Loathe government interference in my life.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's an inappropriate solution for the majority of users who are adults and have every right to live their lives as such. The adults who are responsible for their children should be responsible for the education and enforcement of restrictions upon their children.

This was discussed a couple of months ago in the forum.

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By *ardiffCoupleNJCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd/Rhyfelin

....and hey it's not like divulging credit card details willy nilly carries any risks...sure sites like this are designed with sufficient security that North Korean hackers won't be able to access my credit card details whenever they like...

It's a bit of a disaster waiting to happen I reckon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the government comes along to hold our hands again eh.....great

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will probably be gone by then anyway

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea

I don't have a credit card so i gess ill haf to leve....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

That's what will worry a lot of people I guess. Just how safe will it be to hand over credit card details to a company that runs a porn site.

I can see a whole bunch of UK based porn sites shutting up shop

I'm all for protecting the under age from seeing porn but there must be another way

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Here are the plans for anyone been living under a rock!

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/porn-block-ban-in-the-uk-age-verifcation-law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't worry guys we will host the server in Russia, so Eu or uk law will not be applicable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Fine. But if it's ported through virgin, sky or BT the gov will force those ISP providers to block sites not running age verification checks.

Seems like whichever loophole you find the Gov will have it covered.

Me thinks they have dug up Mary Whitehouse for her advice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way they can monitor that, I can create a new server today, how do they going to know about it.

Other issue on collecting card details is that, all those do start getting card details have to go through other compliance such as PCI, GDPR etc which mean they have to spend more money in order to attain those and more importantly they have to secure them which means spend money in IT..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Read the fourth paragraph of this article copied from the guardian newspaper re: the regulator

Privacy and free speech campaigners have criticised the government’s plans to force pornography websites to use age checks or face being blocked.

Websites flouting the new rules, which are part of the Digital Economy Act, could reportedly find that a regulator has told internet service providers to prevent access to them. Those who provide payment and other services to such sites could also be asked to impose restrictions.

Porn site users will have to provide details from a credit card, which cannot be legally issued to anyone under 18, according to the Mail on Sunday. Gambling websites use the same system of verification.

The government is also expected to announce plans to appoint a regulator to police the sex websites. It is believed this could be the British Board of Film Classification – which sets age limits on films, DVDs and video games.

The aim is for all online pornography to have age verification controls by April 2018 along with the appointment of a new regulatory body to oversee and enforce it, the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport said.

But the plans have faced a backlash from privacy and free speech campaigners.

Jim Killock, the executive director of campaign body Open Rights Group, said: “Age verification could lead to porn companies building databases of the UK’s porn habits, which could be vulnerable to Ashley Madison-style hacks.

“The government has repeatedly refused to ensure that there is a legal duty for age verification providers to protect the privacy of web users.

“There is also nothing to ensure a free and fair market for age verification.”

Killock said Open Rights was concerned that MindGeek – one of the world’s biggest pornographic website operators, which owns PornHub, YouPorn and other brands and has its headquarters in Luxembourg – would become the Facebook of age verification, dominating the UK market.

“They would then decide what privacy risks or profiling take place for the vast majority of UK citizens,” Killock said.

“Age verification risks failure as it attempts to fix a social problem with technology. In their recent manifestos, all three main political parties called for compulsory sex and relationship education in schools. Sex education would genuinely protect young people, as it would give them information and context.”

Jerry Barnett, author of the book Porn Panic! and a free speech campaigner, said: “This law is the culmination of years of lobbying by a wide variety of state and private interests, and will fundamentally change the internet in the UK and possibly globally. For the first time, the government has the power to block websites, en masse, without court orders. This is a first in a democracy.

The danger of porn goes beyond just sex – it normalises unchecked desire | Andrew Brown

“Although this appears to be just about protecting children from porn, it isn’t. It will block any site that doesn’t comply with strict UK content rules. Any nude image at all risks being categorised as porn, and the entire site being blocked. Current filtering systems class up to 4m websites as sexual. It’s likely this regime will block the vast majority of these. And doubtless, the censorship regime will then be extended to other crimes against decency.

“Although much attention has been paid to the very dangerous snooper’s charter, this law is at least as dangerous, and has had far less attention.”

The digital minister, Matt Hancock, who is to set to formally start the process with a written statement to the House of Commons on Monday, insisted that the measures were vital. “Now we are taking the next step to put in place the legal requirement for websites with adult content to ensure it is safely behind an age verification control,” he said.

“All this means that while we can enjoy the freedom of the web, the UK will have the most robust internet child protection measures of any country in the world.”

Online pornography, which experts say can damage a child’s development and decision-making, has been seen by 65% of 15 to 16-year-olds and 48% of 11 to 16-year-olds, according to an NSPCC report in 2016.

The study also found that 28% of children may have stumbled across pornography while 19% had searched for it deliberately.

Will Gardner, the chief executive of internet safety charity Childnet, said: “Protecting children from exposure, including accidental exposure, to adult content is incredibly important, given the effect it can have on young people.

“Steps like this to help restrict access, alongside the provision of free parental controls and education, are key.

“It is essential to help parents and carers, as well as young people, be more aware of this risk and what they can do to prevent exposure and also to make sense of exposure if it happens.”

A spokesman for Pornhub said: “It is our corporate responsibility as part of the global tech community to promote ethical and responsible behaviour. We firmly believe that parents are best placed to police their children’s online activity using the plethora of tools already available in modern operating systems.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Torrent squirting compilations to prepare

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"It's an inappropriate solution for the majority of users who are adults and have every right to live their lives as such. The adults who are responsible for their children should be responsible for the education and enforcement of restrictions upon their children.

This was discussed a couple of months ago in the forum."

I agree. Private internet should be excluded, afterall you need to be 18+ to get an internet contract.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Or it should be like with mobile phones, I provide my proof of age to 02, not to every single site I visit. I should be able to confirm my age to BT, as I am much more comfortable with them having my card details than busty-midget-grandma-interacial-creampies dot com.

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

Could we get a new credit card account and give them the required info then just close the card down afterwards?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or it should be like with mobile phones, I provide my proof of age to 02, not to every single site I visit. I should be able to confirm my age to BT, as I am much more comfortable with them having my card details than busty-midget-grandma-interacial-creampies dot com. "

This seems to be the only workable solution. If the goverment must do this then as they are under risk of huge fines, ISPs should provide the checks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or it should be like with mobile phones, I provide my proof of age to 02, not to every single site I visit. I should be able to confirm my age to BT, as I am much more comfortable with them having my card details than busty-midget-grandma-interacial-creampies dot com. "

That’s a bit specialised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or it should be like with mobile phones, I provide my proof of age to 02, not to every single site I visit. I should be able to confirm my age to BT, as I am much more comfortable with them having my card details than busty-midget-grandma-interacial-creampies dot com. "

This, it's not rocket science and it works.

The thing is though, the legislation has of course got little or nothing to do with "protecting the children". It has got everything to do with increasing government control over us all.

The government know that this will work though, because they also know most peeps will not give credit card details over the net.

The average politician knows nothing or next to nothing about the internet, on that basis they will vote it through to law.

We can still carry on as we are though, just needs all of us to use off shore VPN's. Which of course the kiddy porn peddlers are probably using anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I can see the government are bringing all this in in response to pressure from outside agencies protecting children etc, realistically they’re fighting a losing battle.

As parents of teenagers our internet security is high, the devices in the house have parental controls on suitable for the ages concerned and we’ve had all the relevant conversations about porn, the internet, grooming and the rest. However, there’s nothing stopping them looking at gd knows what round their friends houses, on their friends phones at school, or anywhere else where security is lax.

Kids get to an age where they become interested in these things so they go looking. When we were that age we looked at the ladies wearing bras in the littlewoods catalogue, and we all had that one friend whose dad had dirty mags under the bed.

The difference is that these days, with the invention of the internet, porn is a hell of a lot easier to come across (no pun intended), and no matter how many controls governments and big companies put in place, kids will be kids and look for the loopholes.

The answer certainly isn’t to penalise all the consenting adults in the country imho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"While I can see the government are bringing all this in in response to pressure from outside agencies protecting children etc"

No they are not actually. If you read the proposed legislation, it states quite specifically that the types "of pornography/adult content/inappropriate content will be under constant review and updated as appropriate"

The important thing about the above wording is "inappropriate". It can mean anything that any politician feels they don't like. In other words, legalized censorship of ANYTHING.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

The rules only apply if a site is making commercial gain.

Another bit is that some porn categories will have to vanish, so pornhub et al if complying will be hiding categories that fall foul of the rules.

For sites like porn hub they may do things like verify once when creating a user profile and as you have dhown you have a credit card pester power yo trial premium options may make them money.

Parents will need to ensure kids dont scribble down card details.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The rules only apply if a site is making commercial gain.

Another bit is that some porn categories will have to vanish, so pornhub et al if complying will be hiding categories that fall foul of the rules.

For sites like porn hub they may do things like verify once when creating a user profile and as you have dhown you have a credit card pester power yo trial premium options may make them money.

Parents will need to ensure kids dont scribble down card details."

Or make sure that kids aren't looking at the same sites mummy and daddy have already put their details into.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Does that mean that every time you find a new porn site you want to view you will need a new card account? Can't see that being good for your credit rating!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

16 year olds are much smarter with technology than adults.

You would have to be pretty stupid to think they won't find a way around it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does that mean that every time you find a new porn site you want to view you will need a new card account? Can't see that being good for your credit rating! "

Video nasty era all over again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what would have to happen if you're a couple, would both have to show credit/debit card?

For us it's only Shaz that has one

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I'm not sure that this legislation would apply to FAB any way... I'm fairly sure that the proposed rules define their target sites as those who are commercially distributing pornography.

FAB is commercially facilitating people getting together to have sex with each other, not selling porn.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Also, if sites like FAB are covered under this legislation the so are sites like Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest etc... who all allow "Adult Content" in their sites.

Cal

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple
over a year ago

Leeds


"The rules only apply if a site is making commercial gain.

Another bit is that some porn categories will have to vanish, so pornhub et al if complying will be hiding categories that fall foul of the rules.

For sites like porn hub they may do things like verify once when creating a user profile and as you have dhown you have a credit card pester power yo trial premium options may make them money.

Parents will need to ensure kids dont scribble down card details.

Or make sure that kids aren't looking at the same sites mummy and daddy have already put their details into. "

Which voids the whole exercise...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

FAB sites ARE making commercial gain tho

That's how they stay in business

Ok it's a dating site but it allows people to upgrade their profile if they want.

Facebook don't allow porn and the likes of twitter and flicker etc will have to conform to the new rules like everyone else or they will simply be blocked by UK isp providers.

It will be compulsory in the new laws or the isp companies will face huge fines too.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"FAB sites ARE making commercial gain tho

That's how they stay in business

Ok it's a dating site but it allows people to upgrade their profile if they want.

Facebook don't allow porn and the likes of twitter and flicker etc will have to conform to the new rules like everyone else or they will simply be blocked by UK isp providers.

It will be compulsory in the new laws or the isp companies will face huge fines too.

"

I agree with what you're saying, but the wording of the legislation is not specific enough to be clear about these things. Many could argue that these sites are not making commercial gain from distributing porn, and that the porn is not a integral part if the sites.

I would argue that social-media sites do nothing to protect their younger users from adult content as it is.

Cal

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The rules only apply if a site is making commercial gain.

Another bit is that some porn categories will have to vanish, so pornhub et al if complying will be hiding categories that fall foul of the rules.

For sites like porn hub they may do things like verify once when creating a user profile and as you have dhown you have a credit card pester power yo trial premium options may make them money.

Parents will need to ensure kids dont scribble down card details.

Or make sure that kids aren't looking at the same sites mummy and daddy have already put their details into.

Which voids the whole exercise..."

My point exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"FAB sites ARE making commercial gain tho

That's how they stay in business

Ok it's a dating site but it allows people to upgrade their profile if they want.

Facebook don't allow porn and the likes of twitter and flicker etc will have to conform to the new rules like everyone else or they will simply be blocked by UK isp providers.

It will be compulsory in the new laws or the isp companies will face huge fines too.

I agree with what you're saying, but the wording of the legislation is not specific enough to be clear about these things. Many could argue that these sites are not making commercial gain from distributing porn, and that the porn is not a integral part if the sites.

I would argue that social-media sites do nothing to protect their younger users from adult content as it is.

Cal "

Agree with you re social media. All you have to do is enter your birthday so as to make you appear over a certain age and that’s it! Hardly a crystal maze style challenge..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I guess thats why they are asking to check we are over 18 before being allowed to view a porn site.

Can't see kids using their parents credit cards as it might show up on the statement.

Checks will involve taking £1.00 from the account along with a refund and this would show up on your card statement

I think Nanny state will have thought of every loophole and covered it sadly

I can see the end of internet porn in the UK.

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