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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What's your thoughts?

I've just ordered the new BMW 530e rather than the diesel....just seemed stupid not to considering the future.

Also looked at the Tesla range but don't like the idea of running out of charge....

Anyone got one and your thoughts?

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

Stick to real fuel. I know someone brought a Tesla and so far in to 10k to have fast charge set up at there house

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"What's your thoughts?

I've just ordered the new BMW 530e rather than the diesel....just seemed stupid not to considering the future.

Also looked at the Tesla range but don't like the idea of running out of charge....

Anyone got one and your thoughts?"

One day I'll earn enough to care.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

We are not planning to replace our cars anytime soon but when the time comes we will seriously consider electric.

Hubby's mum and step dad are already considering going electric when they replace their current car and are researching models. They already have the power point installed in their garage along with a huge battery connected to their solar panels in the roof so charging costs for them are likely to be zero.

Charging is getting much better these days and there are now many charging points in city centres as well as motorway service stations. Our nearest city is Coventry and there is charging for 2 vehicles right outside Ikea in the city centre

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stick to real fuel. I know someone brought a Tesla and so far in to 10k to have fast charge set up at there house"

This was one of the reasons I didn't fancy the tesla....too much unknown about them.

BMW can set up a charging point no problem plus it charges when I'm driving on fuel...so no shit I'm in the middle on nowhere and I'm fucked lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We are not planning to replace our cars anytime soon but when the time comes we will seriously consider electric.

Hubby's mum and step dad are already considering going electric when they replace their current car and are researching models. They already have the power point installed in their garage along with a huge battery connected to their solar panels in the roof so charging costs for them are likely to be zero.

Charging is getting much better these days and there are now many charging points in city centres as well as motorway service stations. Our nearest city is Coventry and there is charging for 2 vehicles right outside Ikea in the city centre"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our nearest city is Coventry and there is charging for 2 vehicles right outside Ikea in the city centre"

With charging time of an hour or more, I think you may need to significantly reduce the population of Coventry before buying an electric car!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

BMW now do a wireless charging plate which you just drive your car over and it fast charge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a report recently wbich claimed that there wasn't enough Lithium in the world to produce the batteries necessary to make all the world's cars electric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw a report recently wbich claimed that there wasn't enough Lithium in the world to produce the batteries necessary to make all the world's cars electric. "

It's ok, I think there may be some on the moon... diesel powered space craft can fetch it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a lot of misinformation!! Personally if you have the money you'd go with a Tesla it's a easy choice, go and take a test drive and you'll see why! There's plenty of lithium in the world for batteries that's why there's a huge damn in production for more affordable electric cars. Super charging isn't a neccecity it's literally made for long trips so you can jump to a service station power up the car while you get a coffee for 15-30 mins and carry in for another few hours. The bulk of charging will be over night from your home where you can use a standard wall plug or get a specialist plug which will increase charge time. Electric cars are definitely in there early stages but are not to be frowned upon they are the future and the fuel is practically free compairing them to currently available cars. You can get a model s 70d I think for the cheapest right now and the torque is amazing seriously go and have a test drive it's nothing like a BMW or Audi! But at the end of the day it's about what you prefer and is practical for you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One day I'll earn enough to care."

My thoughts exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was tempted by the i8 bmw but then realised how impractical it was for me. Having tested it quite extensively I can say that they do produce brilliant cars so I think you'll be fine with it.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Frisky has a hybrid.

It took a little getting use to but she loves...

As a man's man, I will stick with my V8 for as long as I can...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This was one of the reasons I didn't fancy the tesla....too much unknown about them."

This should read "too much I haven't bothered to find out about them". Even a basic look at what people are achieving with these vehicles will tell you the engineers at Tesla known their shit. Tesla is also a major powertrain supplier in design and manufacture, and there isn't a single hybrid or fully electric being sold today that is not using a Tesla patent for some part of their vehicle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly it the future. But it'll be a long long time before people migrate to electric en mass thankfully.

Tesla have some amazing cars. Their p100 or whatever it's called will out drag almost anything.

Not a real world use for the car but it shows the instant torque available and that it gets it down on the road too.

Until they start making hot hatches and average family cars in electric and increase the charging points and speed up charging times without adding silly expenses they won't take off. It's all well and good making electric supercars but it takes time for that tech to trickle down.

I'll stick with bikes.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"Our nearest city is Coventry and there is charging for 2 vehicles right outside Ikea in the city centre

With charging time of an hour or more, I think you may need to significantly reduce the population of Coventry before buying an electric car! "

Do you seriously think that the entire population of the city will forget to charge their car, run out of charge and need to top up all at the same time? Next you'll be expecting to see hundreds of cars lined up on the city's ring road waiting for the rac to come out to them with emergency fuel as they've run out!

My husband's car has an electronic range guide, my car has a traditional fuel gauge. Do you honestly think that electric cars will not have any indication of charge level?

As the technology and use of electric cars increases we will see more rapid charging points in public places and fewer traditional fuel pumps. We will eventually have no choice but to swap as the internal combustion engine will be phased out

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

Blackrock

Ive a 16 auris hybrid £40 will generally fill get between 450- 500 on that apart from quietness I really don’t notice much of a muchness other than it does reduce my company car tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we will all get electric car then the government will say , so much electric about its ruining our health and damaging the planet

stick to what we know ..petrol or diesel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This was one of the reasons I didn't fancy the tesla....too much unknown about them.

This should read "too much I haven't bothered to find out about them". Even a basic look at what people are achieving with these vehicles will tell you the engineers at Tesla known their shit. Tesla is also a major powertrain supplier in design and manufacture, and there isn't a single hybrid or fully electric being sold today that is not using a Tesla patent for some part of their vehicle."

There is a lot of mistrust, genuinely deserved. It is a known fact that batteries deteriorate, and even those who change cars every year or 2 don't want to see piles of scrap 4 or 5 year old cars.

So it will take time for trust to build, probably a long time. When I see a 10 year old electric car 70 miles from home and the driver confident he can get home that night, I will start to trust them.

So far I only know of 1 regular use Tesla that does a 30 mile commute, and the owner runs an extension cable out the office window in order to get home. Which is just not good enough.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What a lot of misinformation!! Personally if you have the money you'd go with a Tesla it's a easy choice, go and take a test drive and you'll see why! There's plenty of lithium in the world for batteries that's why there's a huge damn in production for more affordable electric cars. Super charging isn't a neccecity it's literally made for long trips so you can jump to a service station power up the car while you get a coffee for 15-30 mins and carry in for another few hours. The bulk of charging will be over night from your home where you can use a standard wall plug or get a specialist plug which will increase charge time. Electric cars are definitely in there early stages but are not to be frowned upon they are the future and the fuel is practically free compairing them to currently available cars. You can get a model s 70d I think for the cheapest right now and the torque is amazing seriously go and have a test drive it's nothing like a BMW or Audi! But at the end of the day it's about what you prefer and is practical for you! "

I agree...the tesla does not half shift but the waiting times are too long at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

electric bentley rolls royce or ferrari just dosent work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They also artificially handicap their cars.

Tesla can remotely alter the cars to increase their range with no actual phsical changes being made to the car. You just have to cough up for the luxury of using your cars full functions already installed.

Like apple slowing down older phones with updates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know this guy bought an electric car ......

He lives on the twentieth floor of a block flats .......

Car cost £20000 ,,,,,,, charging cable cost £23000.....

Awaiting a court decision on whether or not he is libel for tripping up a blind man ......

Soxy Truth or Soxy Bluff ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

In reality I don't ever have to plug in it to charge cause it self charges from the petrol engine

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By *aughtyinguMan
over a year ago

swindon

There's the Chevy volt too, if its available here

A tesla should have more than 60 mile range, maybe if u Cain it itll reduce alot, but so would mpg of a bmw or whatever...

Also crazy stat, the lmp1 hybrids raced at le mans, fastestest accelerating race cars ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will come to pass,that in the future the country,nay,the whole world will be covered with electrified chicken mesh and every vehicle will be fitted with an 8 foot long pole as a conductor pickup point...has worked well for travelling fairgrounds for many years...plus it cull the number of pigeons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking forward to the 20’ charging cables hanging out of the window at flats in a few years, or all connected to a street light to trip people up :s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw a report recently wbich claimed that there wasn't enough Lithium in the world to produce the batteries necessary to make all the world's cars electric. "

Yep. Not to mention that the mining of numerous precious metals is actually a lot more harmful to the environment than people realize. Same goes for disposal. I don't like Elon musk though I do like Tesla. All in all though I think the entire renewable energy craze is a huge fad being used for wealth creating and tax extraction. The energy goals laid out by the Tory government see actually lie in the sky fodder when you look into it and I seriously fly that even the unambiguous goal of 2050 is unreal.

I feel electric cars will be a sizeable niche but little more. I actually think the same can be said for many renewable energies. Gas and nuclear are the future as far as I know.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"There's the Chevy volt too, if its available here

A tesla should have more than 60 mile range, maybe if u Cain it itll reduce alot, but so would mpg of a bmw or whatever...

Also crazy stat, the lmp1 hybrids raced at le mans, fastestest accelerating race cars ever."

well a tesla in most real world conditions you would get at least 220 miles of range.... which as far as i am aware would deal with most commutes to and from work...

for sake of biased, i am on the Tesla model 3 waiting list....

even the model 3 i am looking at will have a range of about 300 miles on it....

the only thing against me getting it at the moment is the distance between charging points.... for example, i like to go south... at the moment there is not one charging point on the A1 so i would have to go to leeds first to charge it before then going south

if tesla were to put charging points in all service stations (lets say 5-10 just to start with), that would solve the problems....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's the Chevy volt too, if its available here

A tesla should have more than 60 mile range, maybe if u Cain it itll reduce alot, but so would mpg of a bmw or whatever...

Also crazy stat, the lmp1 hybrids raced at le mans, fastestest accelerating race cars ever."

The Tesla gets around 300 miles per charge depending on the he model, also the only current issue is getting ahold of one ! The model 3 which is the affordable self driving version will be available in about 3 years! I'm planning to get one the day they become available in the uk! There's so much bad information on this form and out there. Going for the best choice for you is best, but electric will be different as currently available cars but not necessarily in a bad way? Also, people forget we have to go electric or hydrogen in say the next 10 years anyway governments all over the world are making it compulsory! Plus the environment is important for future generations !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This was one of the reasons I didn't fancy the tesla....too much unknown about them.

This should read "too much I haven't bothered to find out about them". Even a basic look at what people are achieving with these vehicles will tell you the engineers at Tesla known their shit. Tesla is also a major powertrain supplier in design and manufacture, and there isn't a single hybrid or fully electric being sold today that is not using a Tesla patent for some part of their vehicle."

Really? The intellectual property argument is a misnomer because every other tech company or manufacturer is using patented technologies or innovations from other companies. Do you know how many technologies from Samsung corp are in your Apple phone? The same goes for car companies too. Whilst I dont think Tesla is necessarily a pump and dump bubble company I do think it's massively overinflated share price will hurt the company and its customers. I mean it's market cap is higher than gm despite only having a production capacity of only 10000 cars, a potential shortage of the required are materials and not even possessing proprietary battery tech (I believe they're actually made by panasonic). Everything about the company points to it being another high finance/private equity fueled hype job which won't even remotely deliver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw a report recently wbich claimed that there wasn't enough Lithium in the world to produce the batteries necessary to make all the world's cars electric. "
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Lithium iron is already on the way out, it's 15 years old and technology moves on

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

"

actually... hate to break it to you.... thats not the way that a hybrid system works in cars...

I have a toyota hybrid at the moment (won't tell you which, but it begins with a p)

the electric only engine works at slow speed (below 29mph i think) and it only works on electric only for about 3 miles at full charge... all the plus in hybrid does is increase that range from 3 miles to about 12 miles.....

once you go above 29mph the petrol engine kicks in to work alongside the electric engine.....or if you don't have enough electric grunt the petrol engine kicks in automatically

trust me... the amount of time you will be able to drive a car in "electric only" is minimal.....

if you run out of petrol.. don't rely on the little electric engine to get you any further!as i found out when i ran out of petrol 50 meters away from a petrol station.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

actually... hate to break it to you.... thats not the way that a hybrid system works in cars...

I have a toyota hybrid at the moment (won't tell you which, but it begins with a p)

the electric only engine works at slow speed (below 29mph i think) and it only works on electric only for about 3 miles at full charge... all the plus in hybrid does is increase that range from 3 miles to about 12 miles.....

once you go above 29mph the petrol engine kicks in to work alongside the electric engine.....or if you don't have enough electric grunt the petrol engine kicks in automatically

trust me... the amount of time you will be able to drive a car in "electric only" is minimal.....

if you run out of petrol.. don't rely on the little electric engine to get you any further!as i found out when i ran out of petrol 50 meters away from a petrol station..... "

Noted....when I test drove the car...I can drive it on electric at up to 70mph and then I have a kick down function as and when I need it...granted it reduced the range but I know it's there should I need it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

actually... hate to break it to you.... thats not the way that a hybrid system works in cars...

I have a toyota hybrid at the moment (won't tell you which, but it begins with a p)

the electric only engine works at slow speed (below 29mph i think) and it only works on electric only for about 3 miles at full charge... all the plus in hybrid does is increase that range from 3 miles to about 12 miles.....

once you go above 29mph the petrol engine kicks in to work alongside the electric engine.....or if you don't have enough electric grunt the petrol engine kicks in automatically

trust me... the amount of time you will be able to drive a car in "electric only" is minimal.....

if you run out of petrol.. don't rely on the little electric engine to get you any further!as i found out when i ran out of petrol 50 meters away from a petrol station.....

Noted....when I test drove the car...I can drive it on electric at up to 70mph and then I have a kick down function as and when I need it...granted it reduced the range but I know it's there should I need it"
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It's basically a fancy version of a diesel train that you've seen for years..

Your engine is basically a generator providing electricity for the electric motors as with hybrids batteries are kept to a minimum for weight purposes.

The new battery technologys coming through works in many ways through carbon fibre or grapheme built into the body shell.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

actually... hate to break it to you.... thats not the way that a hybrid system works in cars...

I have a toyota hybrid at the moment (won't tell you which, but it begins with a p)

the electric only engine works at slow speed (below 29mph i think) and it only works on electric only for about 3 miles at full charge... all the plus in hybrid does is increase that range from 3 miles to about 12 miles.....

once you go above 29mph the petrol engine kicks in to work alongside the electric engine.....or if you don't have enough electric grunt the petrol engine kicks in automatically

trust me... the amount of time you will be able to drive a car in "electric only" is minimal.....

if you run out of petrol.. don't rely on the little electric engine to get you any further!as i found out when i ran out of petrol 50 meters away from a petrol station.....

Noted....when I test drove the car...I can drive it on electric at up to 70mph and then I have a kick down function as and when I need it...granted it reduced the range but I know it's there should I need it.

It's basically a fancy version of a diesel train that you've seen for years..

Your engine is basically a generator providing electricity for the electric motors as with hybrids batteries are kept to a minimum for weight purposes.

The new battery technologys coming through works in many ways through carbon fibre or grapheme built into the body shell.

"

Cool...I'm not even going to pretend I know what that means lol

All I know is...it's whisper silent in electric mode, looks nice as hell, has a banging sound system, I can move it from just my key and when I put my foot down it shifts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reality is that change is coming, I don't see a future of swap petrol for battery being effective in improving the environment. But it's a start point.

Now if we take up all the bus lanes and replace them with airport style travelators like they have in some airports, we may be onto something.

I don't really know what the future holds, but until some different thinking happens we are not actually problem solving.

This whole thing needs long term planning and thinking, unfortunately the accountant mentality of corporates and governments is all aimed at next year's share holders meeting. When it needs to be next millennium.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

actually... hate to break it to you.... thats not the way that a hybrid system works in cars...

I have a toyota hybrid at the moment (won't tell you which, but it begins with a p)

the electric only engine works at slow speed (below 29mph i think) and it only works on electric only for about 3 miles at full charge... all the plus in hybrid does is increase that range from 3 miles to about 12 miles.....

once you go above 29mph the petrol engine kicks in to work alongside the electric engine.....or if you don't have enough electric grunt the petrol engine kicks in automatically

trust me... the amount of time you will be able to drive a car in "electric only" is minimal.....

if you run out of petrol.. don't rely on the little electric engine to get you any further!as i found out when i ran out of petrol 50 meters away from a petrol station.....

Noted....when I test drove the car...I can drive it on electric at up to 70mph and then I have a kick down function as and when I need it...granted it reduced the range but I know it's there should I need it.

It's basically a fancy version of a diesel train that you've seen for years..

Your engine is basically a generator providing electricity for the electric motors as with hybrids batteries are kept to a minimum for weight purposes.

The new battery technologys coming through works in many ways through carbon fibre or grapheme built into the body shell.

Cool...I'm not even going to pretend I know what that means lol

All I know is...it's whisper silent in electric mode, looks nice as hell, has a banging sound system, I can move it from just my key and when I put my foot down it shifts!

"
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Basically There's no drive chain available for trains so they've always been electric or steam powered in practise, the diesel engine just provides the electric by turning a generator, same as in a hybrid, nuclear powered submarines? There not actually powered by a flux capacitor.

Your just boiling water to make steam to power a generator

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is why with a hybrid I have the luxury of both...petrol engine when I need it, electric for when I'm in no rush and just short drives.

actually... hate to break it to you.... thats not the way that a hybrid system works in cars...

I have a toyota hybrid at the moment (won't tell you which, but it begins with a p)

the electric only engine works at slow speed (below 29mph i think) and it only works on electric only for about 3 miles at full charge... all the plus in hybrid does is increase that range from 3 miles to about 12 miles.....

once you go above 29mph the petrol engine kicks in to work alongside the electric engine.....or if you don't have enough electric grunt the petrol engine kicks in automatically

trust me... the amount of time you will be able to drive a car in "electric only" is minimal.....

if you run out of petrol.. don't rely on the little electric engine to get you any further!as i found out when i ran out of petrol 50 meters away from a petrol station.....

Noted....when I test drove the car...I can drive it on electric at up to 70mph and then I have a kick down function as and when I need it...granted it reduced the range but I know it's there should I need it.

It's basically a fancy version of a diesel train that you've seen for years..

Your engine is basically a generator providing electricity for the electric motors as with hybrids batteries are kept to a minimum for weight purposes.

The new battery technologys coming through works in many ways through carbon fibre or grapheme built into the body shell.

Cool...I'm not even going to pretend I know what that means lol

All I know is...it's whisper silent in electric mode, looks nice as hell, has a banging sound system, I can move it from just my key and when I put my foot down it shifts!

.

Basically There's no drive chain available for trains so they've always been electric or steam powered in practise, the diesel engine just provides the electric by turning a generator, same as in a hybrid, nuclear powered submarines? There not actually powered by a flux capacitor.

Your just boiling water to make steam to power a generator"

Gotcha! Next time someone asks me about my car...I'll just quote what you said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Basically There's no drive chain available for trains so they've always been electric or steam powered in practise, the diesel engine just provides the electric by turning a generator, same as in a hybrid, nuclear powered submarines? There not actually powered by a flux capacitor.

Your just boiling water to make steam to power a generator"

Basically in 1690 someone realised if you made something expand behind a piston, attached that piston to a crankshaft you could get rotary motion.

200 years later someone realised that electric motors attached to cables and pulley's could move stuff.

Since then we have discovered a few things, but still totally rely on expansion and spin to do everything.

Top battery scientist about a month ago on the radio thought it would be 20 to 30 years before a loaded car can get from London to Edinburgh on one charge.

He could give no idea on a 50ton loaded truck reaching the same destination... So we are still going to have diesel vehicles long after 2050.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They make me sick in my mouth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An electric car would be useless for me the amount of miles I drive.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Personally im not quite ready to move to electric as the support system isnt there yet.. my biggest worry is who or how the gov are going to plug the estimated gap in revenue gained through fuel and excise duty when everyone moves to electric estimated to be around £30bn/year not to mention the revenue gained from the oil industry...thats 1 hell of a gap in taxation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Basically There's no drive chain available for trains so they've always been electric or steam powered in practise, the diesel engine just provides the electric by turning a generator, same as in a hybrid, nuclear powered submarines? There not actually powered by a flux capacitor.

Your just boiling water to make steam to power a generator

Basically in 1690 someone realised if you made something expand behind a piston, attached that piston to a crankshaft you could get rotary motion.

200 years later someone realised that electric motors attached to cables and pulley's could move stuff.

Since then we have discovered a few things, but still totally rely on expansion and spin to do everything.

Top battery scientist about a month ago on the radio thought it would be 20 to 30 years before a loaded car can get from London to Edinburgh on one charge.

He could give no idea on a 50ton loaded truck reaching the same destination... So we are still going to have diesel vehicles long after 2050."
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Yeah, it's total energy required to move 35 tonnes 345 miles, hydrocarbons happen to hold a lot of energy hence why we errr use them.... Having said that solar panels currently have about a 15% efficiency rating, that will be tripled very easily within ten years and costs will come down massively when scaled so it's all relative to what you'll see in the future.... How much do you think a barrel of oil would cost to produce if we only did oil extraction on a small scale? 1000s of dollars a barrel making it practically useless for transportation means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally im not quite ready to move to electric as the support system isnt there yet.. my biggest worry is who or how the gov are going to plug the estimated gap in revenue gained through fuel and excise duty when everyone moves to electric estimated to be around £30bn/year not to mention the revenue gained from the oil industry...thats 1 hell of a gap in taxation "
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Oh that's an easy answer.... There going to kill you all off with a very virulent flu strain, with 90% of you gone, most jobs done by automation, taxes will be very low

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And anybody that answers I couldn't do that through my job as it requires me doing hundreds of miles a day!!.

Your job won't exist in ten years time.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a dinosaur when it comes to my thoughts on these cars. I think they are ridiculous. And will only buy one of they ban all petrol cars.. if I manage to survive the depression that would genuinely cause me.

My next car will be a v6. So erm. No electric isn't on my radar for now or the near future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah, it's total energy required to move 35 tonnes 345 miles, hydrocarbons happen to hold a lot of energy hence why we errr use them.... Having said that solar panels currently have about a 15% efficiency rating, that will be tripled very easily within ten years and costs will come down massively when scaled so it's all relative to what you'll see in the future.... How much do you think a barrel of oil would cost to produce if we only did oil extraction on a small scale? 1000s of dollars a barrel making it practically useless for transportation means"

I totally agree, I support wind turbines despite their low real world yield, on the basis that they are model T technology. We need to make and break a lot of them before get the design and pricing right.

Same with light generation. In theory coupled with lower amperage use of domestic appliances, insulation improvements etc. once perfected every new build home should come off the national grid, freeing up electricity for other uses.

Against that, how much planning permission thought is currently going into grey water storage, flood prevention and other long known technologies?

We need people with clean slates and long term solutions, not sound bites of banning new cars using fossil fuel in 30 years, with no real alternative plans.

Just pushing soap box back into cupboard now... return to silly one liners imminent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I totally agree, I support wind turbines despite their low real world yield, on the basis that they are model T technology. We need to make and break a lot of them before get the design and pricing right.

Same with light generation. In theory coupled with lower amperage use of domestic appliances, insulation improvements etc. once perfected every new build home should come off the national grid, freeing up electricity for other uses.

Against that, how much planning permission thought is currently going into grey water storage, flood prevention and other long known technologies?

We need people with clean slates and long term solutions, not sound bites of banning new cars using fossil fuel in 30 years, with no real alternative plans.

Just pushing soap box back into cupboard now... return to silly one liners imminent "
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I think that's the bit most bods don't get, they just imagine that we started off with North sea oil drilling and deep well recovery, billon pound refinery systems, these are all evolutionary from the beginnings which were frankly laughable, Pennsylvania in late 1800s 200 meters deep, spewed out 300,000 barrels and we put it in swimming pools not knowing what to do with it!!...

Sustainable electricity generation is at 1920s technology but will not take 100 years to catch up

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

think of all the petrol stations that will close. Also, will every house have its own charging point for electric cars?

Imagine queues waiting at charging points. . . . . and to top it all off, to produce all this electricity that's gonna be needed how many power stations will need to be added to the National Grid?

And what will they need to produce this power? Natural Gas? which defeats the whole point of going electric. . .

Sits back and waits to be corrected on these points.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

I doubt the ban on new diesel and petrol cars will be close to kicking in (in the time frame they are talking about) it will continue to get delayed year on year ....who is to say technology wont be around in 20 yrs time that cleans up petrol and diesel to the point where it causes no damage to health we've come along way in last few years regarding cuttin polution from cars do you really believe there is no room to improve further

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I doubt the ban on new diesel and petrol cars will be close to kicking in (in the time frame they are talking about) it will continue to get delayed year on year ....who is to say technology wont be around in 20 yrs time that cleans up petrol and diesel to the point where it causes no damage to health we've come along way in last few years regarding cuttin polution from cars do you really believe there is no room to improve further "

this would be a more beneficial field then developing electric vehicles in my opinion.

i never understood why people think replacing a car they already have that works perfectly fine, with a new car just because that new car is a so called green car is a good environmental choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Full electric is not far enough advanced for the type of mileage I do and although the technology is there to make petrol and diesel cars do far more to the gallon than they do I don’t see hybrid as a way forward either.

The hybrid service charges are far in excess of normal vehicles and the cell life is max 10 before needs replacing. You might as well scrap the vehicle rather than replacing thus environmental waste in a different way.

There is no right or wrong but do think car manufacturers, governments could do more to increase mpg performance of the vehicles. We have a 4l v10 deisil winning la mans 24 race doing 110 mpg so why does my 1.6 deisil only do 60 if I’m lucky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got a diesel car and an electric car, each have there own benefits, if I'm going a long drive or away to visit family for the weekend the diesels the obvious choice.

On the other hand going to the shops or into a city the electric car wins as it gets free parking in cities and can charge at most shopping centres.

Got a charge point at home aswell, which I claimed the money back on through a government scheme. Can leave the electric car plugged in overnight to charge to full at a cost of about £2 and it has no road tax.

As a second motor it's great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"think of all the petrol stations that will close. Also, will every house have its own charging point for electric cars?

Imagine queues waiting at charging points. . . . . and to top it all off, to produce all this electricity that's gonna be needed how many power stations will need to be added to the National Grid?

And what will they need to produce this power? Natural Gas? which defeats the whole point of going electric. . .

Sits back and waits to be corrected on these points. "
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Petrol stations close? So what, there's only person in them and frankly that job will be gone in ten years regardless!.

Will every house have a charging point? Well every house has electricity, most have an outside socket, terraced town houses are the tricky bit but I'd guess they will be the first to not have a car at all? Driverless taxis are really there first customer.

Power stations won't be added, base generation may go up a little I suspect but on the whole most electricity will be generated locally and used locally (greatest amount of efficiency).

Natural gas used to make electricity would be pointless, you can run cars of natural gas today (I suspect that will be were hybrids will be going in ten years time).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If its a company car then all good, if its for you then avoid like the plague.

Hybrids are only good for 6 years maximum.

Who is going to pay out an average of £6K - £8K to re-cell it when the batteries need replacing, by then the car wont be worth that much??

Its the bit they forget to tell you when you order one!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If its a company car then all good, if its for you then avoid like the plague.

Hybrids are only good for 6 years maximum.

Who is going to pay out an average of £6K - £8K to re-cell it when the batteries need replacing, by then the car wont be worth that much??

Its the bit they forget to tell you when you order one! "

Always through company, excellent tax benefits and after 2 years I'll treat myself to something new....only a fool buys a car outright these days lol

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Until they fit the soundtrack to a burbling v8 I'm not interested.

I've watched the iom tt zero race last few years and yep the bikes are getting faster but is it exciting to watch silent bikes race ? Nope !!

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By *rbane PlayerMan
over a year ago

London


"What's your thoughts?

I've just ordered the new BMW 530e rather than the diesel....just seemed stupid not to considering the future.

Also looked at the Tesla range but don't like the idea of running out of charge....

Anyone got one and your thoughts?"

They are the future, especially when you think that they will probably be autonomous soon. There are models from South Korea that will probably be able to go 340 kms on a single charge. Once the issue over the fear of how long a battery can be charged for and where to charge your car outside your home are overcome, then the transformation away from fuel based engines will probably take off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's your thoughts?

I've just ordered the new BMW 530e rather than the diesel....just seemed stupid not to considering the future.

Also looked at the Tesla range but don't like the idea of running out of charge....

Anyone got one and your thoughts?

They are the future, especially when you think that they will probably be autonomous soon. There are models from South Korea that will probably be able to go 340 kms on a single charge. Once the issue over the fear of how long a battery can be charged for and where to charge your car outside your home are overcome, then the transformation away from fuel based engines will probably take off. "

340km is about 204 miles, I often drive to London for a night out, then home again obviously in the dark so lights on. Distance 276 miles with 4 hours roadside parking without a charging point while I am listening to a band.

Not going to work!

Perhaps we could return to coaching inns with charging points in place of stables.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway, petrol is evil, and should be burned

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What have I started here

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough


"Anyway, petrol is evil, and should be burned "

And as service to you I'm burning as much of that evil petrol as quickly as I can in my S-Type 3.0 V6

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You won't be able to buy a diesel in 5 years time, all the manufactures have a timeframe to stop selling them.

Volvo are going early hoping to get a foot in the door next year, no more diesels.

VW 2019 no more diesels. Germany stops selling them by law in 2025!

The UK government just spent a year in the courts hiding the air pollution report which indicated 200,000 deaths a year from air pollution.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you all the ones going on and on and on about crazy American gun laws which kill 15,000 Americans a year?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You won't be able to buy a diesel in 5 years time, "

Well you will, but not necessarily a new one... nothing much will change until the mass of movement closes garages and hydrocarbons are hard to buy.

I don't know what will come forward, but yet to be convinced that it will be lithium iron batteries. Though I do have on on a bike and it is quite incredible, weight to power, and quite delicate in its maintenance requirements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You won't be able to buy a diesel in 5 years time,

Well you will, but not necessarily a new one... nothing much will change until the mass of movement closes garages and hydrocarbons are hard to buy.

I don't know what will come forward, but yet to be convinced that it will be lithium iron batteries. Though I do have on on a bike and it is quite incredible, weight to power, and quite delicate in its maintenance requirements."
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Actually I checked it was 40,000 deaths a year, 200,000 over the length of the study.

Diesels are incredibly filthy, it was spawn from short term thinking over climate change as there technically more efficient than petrol in that regard... All they've done for five years is increase more and more technical regulations on them to the point where there now both filthy, costly and unreliable!.

The sooner they go the better off everybody will be, especially people with asthmatic/copd problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The future is electric. And driverless.

It's nonsense that electricity is nearly free though. They just haven't started taxing it yet...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You won't be able to buy a diesel in 5 years time,

Well you will, but not necessarily a new one... nothing much will change until the mass of movement closes garages and hydrocarbons are hard to buy.

I don't know what will come forward, but yet to be convinced that it will be lithium iron batteries. Though I do have on on a bike and it is quite incredible, weight to power, and quite delicate in its maintenance requirements."

Liquid electrodes sound interesting.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london


"I saw a report recently wbich claimed that there wasn't enough Lithium in the world to produce the batteries necessary to make all the world's cars electric. "

Main use of Lithium is treating bi-polar disorder. I'm in two minds about electric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me it's the convenience. I live in a Victorian house. The house is lovely. However no off road parking. So I would have no charge point. That's the reason why I won't be getting a full blown electric motor. When the government can work out a way to issue charge points and improve the electric grid to support all these vehicles then I think I will take a look. Until then quite happy with my oil hornet which will do near 500 miles out of a tank and return a near 60mpg.

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By *r Costa xxMan
over a year ago

stirling


"What's your thoughts?

I've just ordered the new BMW 530e rather than the diesel....just seemed stupid not to considering the future.

Also looked at the Tesla range but don't like the idea of running out of charge....

Anyone got one and your thoughts?"

I only wish Audi would catch up, looking at the E350e, what a great tax dodge for a company vehicle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You won't be able to buy a diesel in 5 years time,

Well you will, but not necessarily a new one... nothing much will change until the mass of movement closes garages and hydrocarbons are hard to buy.

I don't know what will come forward, but yet to be convinced that it will be lithium iron batteries. Though I do have on on a bike and it is quite incredible, weight to power, and quite delicate in its maintenance requirements."

cant believe that one , the whole of the worlds delivery lorries run on diesel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They make me sick in my mouth"

Swallowing batteries will do that. Don't eat batteries, even if they do look like sweeties.

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By *aughtyYorkGentMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"There's no drive chain available for trains so they've always been electric or steam powered in practise, the diesel engine just provides the electric by turning a generator, same as in a hybrid"

While the diesel-electrics you describe are in the majority, thousands of diesel locomotives have been built with other transmissions - hydraulic, or mechanical with gears, just like a car.

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By *aughtyYorkGentMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"I doubt the ban on new diesel and petrol cars will be close to kicking in (in the time frame they are talking about) it will continue to get delayed year on year ....who is to say technology wont be around in 20 yrs time that cleans up petrol and diesel to the point where it causes no damage to health we've come along way in last few years regarding cuttin polution from cars do you really believe there is no room to improve further

this would be a more beneficial field then developing electric vehicles in my opinion.

i never understood why people think replacing a car they already have that works perfectly fine, with a new car just because that new car is a so called green car is a good environmental choice."

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By *aughtyYorkGentMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"Lithium iron is already on the way out, it's 15 years old and technology moves on"

"Lithium Iron" has never been "in". The batteries we use in laptops and electric cars are Lithium-Ion

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By *aughtyYorkGentMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"There's no drive chain available for trains so they've always been electric or steam powered in practise, the diesel engine just provides the electric by turning a generator, same as in a hybrid

While the diesel-electrics you describe are in the majority, thousands of diesel locomotives have been built with other transmissions - hydraulic, or mechanical with gears, just like a car."

And that's just locomotives. The vast majority of the UK's diesel unit passenger trains also have mechanical transmissions - not a generator or alternator in sight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we will all get electric car then the government will say , so much electric about its ruining our health and damaging the planet

stick to what we know ..petrol or diesel."

but you already know that petrol & diesel ruins your health & damages the planet!

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By *rbane PlayerMan
over a year ago

London


"we will all get electric car then the government will say , so much electric about its ruining our health and damaging the planet

stick to what we know ..petrol or diesel.

but you already know that petrol & diesel ruins your health & damages the planet! "

If, and it is an 'if', the costs of electric cars really comes down (as I suspect it will when VW and BMW start coming in it cool options) then more people will start to buy them. Right now the choice is limited, as are the charging points. I listened the story of a woman somewhere in England who has both an electric car and solar panels on her roof and so the actually cost of running her car is very low. Of course, not everyone has this choice, but it is curious to see what is possible.

Also, the mechanical parts of an electric car engine are fewer than a petrol engine so should be easier to build and service.

Yes, more electric cars with fewer fuel cars should improve air quality, but they are not a solution on their own, more affordable public transports, walking and cycling all play a part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lithium iron is already on the way out, it's 15 years old and technology moves on

"Lithium Iron" has never been "in". The batteries we use in laptops and electric cars are Lithium-Ion"

Similar names subtle difference in technology. The lithium iron battery I have on the bike uses Lego type blocks to make it the same physical dimensions as the old lead acid. It's about 33% of the height, and weighs very little. Makes the starter motor fly over even when discharged as the volt / amp curve is completely different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we will all get electric car then the government will say , so much electric about its ruining our health and damaging the planet

stick to what we know ..petrol or diesel.

but you already know that petrol & diesel ruins your health & damages the planet!

If, and it is an 'if', the costs of electric cars really comes down (as I suspect it will when VW and BMW start coming in it cool options) then more people will start to buy them. Right now the choice is limited, as are the charging points. I listened the story of a woman somewhere in England who has both an electric car and solar panels on her roof and so the actually cost of running her car is very low. Of course, not everyone has this choice, but it is curious to see what is possible.

Also, the mechanical parts of an electric car engine are fewer than a petrol engine so should be easier to build and service.

Yes, more electric cars with fewer fuel cars should improve air quality, but they are not a solution on their own, more affordable public transports, walking and cycling all play a part. "

I read somewhere that Holland are running their rail system on solar energy .........

It kind of makes sense relly that every rail track would be lined with solar panels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"cant believe that one , the whole of the worlds delivery lorries run on diesel"

Politician speak.. the 30 year rule was on new cars only, and was behind most other countries deadlines. So they can later claim credit even though it was someone else that forced the issue. OR if it can't be done other deadlines will fail first so they can extend based on outside fault.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Charging times will come down at the moment The fastest public charging points in this country are 50kw giving a charge time of 40 minutes. Tesla have a 150kw charge in the pipeline. A company in California have just announced a 300kw charger and another firm is working on technology for 350kw. That brings charging times down to around five minutes, similar to time spent filling up at a service station

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Is battery technology advanced enough to give the vehicles longevity?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"we will all get electric car then the government will say , so much electric about its ruining our health and damaging the planet

stick to what we know ..petrol or diesel.

but you already know that petrol & diesel ruins your health & damages the planet!

If, and it is an 'if', the costs of electric cars really comes down (as I suspect it will when VW and BMW start coming in it cool options) then more people will start to buy them. Right now the choice is limited, as are the charging points. I listened the story of a woman somewhere in England who has both an electric car and solar panels on her roof and so the actually cost of running her car is very low. Of course, not everyone has this choice, but it is curious to see what is possible.

Also, the mechanical parts of an electric car engine are fewer than a petrol engine so should be easier to build and service.

Yes, more electric cars with fewer fuel cars should improve air quality, but they are not a solution on their own, more affordable public transports, walking and cycling all play a part.

I read somewhere that Holland are running their rail system on solar energy .........

It kind of makes sense relly that every rail track would be lined with solar panels"

The Dutch run electric trains, where the electricity is 100% produced by renewable energy.

Some of our more modern diesel trains are "smart" trains, where the engine cuts out when going downhill.

Many parts of our railway infrastructure are powered by wind and solar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love my lexus I think diesel has had its day...not sure about electric cars as range and power recharge points are an issue I think hybrid is the way forward for now...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a Merc 300H I like it now I’m used to it!

MrP has a V8 new Camero....so good job my hybrid has green credentials

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