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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. " What....gentleman Jim! Oh ok we got shot of him too..then got relegated for 7 years  | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? " Brian clou....oh bugger he's dead. | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? " This is the problem all good saying get rid of southgate, but who is ready to take the helm ?? Cant see us going for the foreign manager route again as well that fell on its arse. Eddie Howe has still a lot to prove at club level. Not gonna really achieve much with Bournemouth. No other English candidates left seeing as there is only 4 in the premier league and they are all managing clubs that will be involved in relegation battles come end of the season  | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? Brian clou....oh bugger he's dead." The greatest manager England never had. I met him on numerous occasions as he only lived a couple of miles from me and his missus and daughter in law were customers of mine. Even though he was a traitor and went to F****t, he was still a great manager and bought me a few pints at the Joiners Arms in Quarndon when he lived there  | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? Brian clou....oh bugger he's dead. The greatest manager England never had. I met him on numerous occasions as he only lived a couple of miles from me and his missus and daughter in law were customers of mine. Even though he was a traitor and went to F****t, he was still a great manager and bought me a few pints at the Joiners Arms in Quarndon when he lived there "I used to drink with his brother jerry...as you'll know Brian was a local lad here too | |||
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"Is it the manager that is bad or the players, or both?" I don't think you can push both in the same pool (is that even a phrase?), I think it's more a case of the money that's available to top clubs and the fact that they can splash out £???????? in pursuit of so called superstars, rather than bring through raw talent from this country who have to play in the lower divisions and therefore have no experience of playing against top level players. | |||
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"Is it the manager that is bad or the players, or both? I don't think you can push both in the same pool (is that even a phrase?), I think it's more a case of the money that's available to top clubs and the fact that they can splash out £???????? in pursuit of so called superstars, rather than bring through raw talent from this country who have to play in the lower divisions and therefore have no experience of playing against top level players." rashford, alli, Sterling all play top level there missed managed at international level | |||
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"That was turgid I was at Wembley and it was pathetic - yes Southgate has got us to World Cup but the football has been dogshit Anyway one more day at work then off to Lithuania to watch even more turgid shit " Where did the knob come from who ran on the pitch?  | |||
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"Is it the manager that is bad or the players, or both?" Both. | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? " Yea Glen Hoddle assisted by Stuart Pearce and Steven gerrard. Can’t be any worse than Southgate. At least them three are England legends. | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? Yea Glen Hoddle assisted by Stuart Pearce and Steven gerrard. Can’t be any worse than Southgate. At least them three are England legends. " You forgot mystic meg  | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? Yea Glen Hoddle assisted by Stuart Pearce and Steven gerrard. Can’t be any worse than Southgate. At least them three are England legends. You forgot mystic meg "Tut...why aren't you in the no dancing thread..... | |||
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"Is it the manager that is bad or the players, or both? I don't think you can push both in the same pool (is that even a phrase?), I think it's more a case of the money that's available to top clubs and the fact that they can splash out £???????? in pursuit of so called superstars, rather than bring through raw talent from this country who have to play in the lower divisions and therefore have no experience of playing against top level players. rashford, alli, Sterling all play top level there missed managed at international level " Individuals, or team players? Maybe their clubs can accommodate the way that they play by buying players who "fit the system", it's very hard though when you have players who try their hardest, but clearly aren't good enough. I worked on the building of St. George's Park (the new England training park) and hopefully will bring some of the younger players together to amalgamate with the senior team and make us a stronger team in the future. | |||
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"David Beckham for manager "+1 nobody else as the passion becks had he loved playing for England | |||
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"I think it's a good thing to have an openly gay England manager." Skip round the cones, then I'll see you all in the communal bath. David Walliams would be my choice | |||
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"I think it's a good thing to have an openly gay England manager. Skip round the cones, then I'll see you all in the communal bath. David Walliams would be my choice "That's all very well. But who would you like to be England manager? | |||
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"I think it's a good thing to have an openly gay England manager. Skip round the cones, then I'll see you all in the communal bath. David Walliams would be my choice
That's all very well. But who would you like to be England manager?"In all honesty, I would like to see Glenn Hoddle back in the hot seat. He's young enough and talks a lot of sense. | |||
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"A trained Monkey could get England to the World Cup/Euros - qualifying is piss easy. Actually might not need to be trained! Then we get found out as other teams have better players. Doesn't matter who is in charge! " I think you,ve made a good point There its always easy to blame the manager but if the moneys not there or the players are,nt there, I,ll go for the latter of those two, and it certainly controls the game you (want) to watch or hear nothing will ever change the performance of the team it is a low point in the game itself and many teams find themselves in it mine in particular at present, but even at this level they can still surprise you Like jimmy greaves used to say.. footballs a funny old game.. I,m longing for those days to come back. | |||
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"Do you have any suggestions for his replacement then OP? Brian clou....oh bugger he's dead. The greatest manager England never had. I met him on numerous occasions as he only lived a couple of miles from me and his missus and daughter in law were customers of mine. Even though he was a traitor and went to F****t, he was still a great manager and bought me a few pints at the Joiners Arms in Quarndon when he lived there "Nigels going through a rough patch at the moment... thou only 3 or were below derby..  | |||
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+1 nobody else as the passion becks had he loved playing for England "Alan Shearer comes to mind..  | |||
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"A trained Monkey could get England to the World Cup/Euros - qualifying is piss easy. Actually might not need to be trained! Then we get found out as other teams have better players. Doesn't matter who is in charge! I think you,ve made a good point There its always easy to blame the manager but if the moneys not there or the players are,nt there, I,ll go for the latter of those two, and it certainly controls the game you (want) to watch or hear nothing will ever change the performance of the team it is a low point in the game itself and many teams find themselves in it mine in particular at present, but even at this level they can still surprise you Like jimmy greaves used to say.. footballs a funny old game.. I,m longing for those days to come back." Are you reet int head yoth? The game has changed tremendously since Greavsie's days. The FA have appointed dinosaurs & misfits over the last couple of decades. I don't think Southgate has many options open to him at present due to the nature of English clubs being able to pay out top dollar for average foreign imports, thus restricting our homegrown talent to occasional appearances in a league cup match against some tough opponents from Scunthorpe. | |||
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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. " I think a new England team is called for too | |||
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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. " I'm less concerned about his side being boring you can only work with what you've got ..... But holy crap lets get rid of him ..... We need to entice a top managerial name someone everyone respect and who demands passion and commitment from the players ..... | |||
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"No top class manager in his right mind would want the job anyway. Hence why we're continually lumped with uninspiring, FA moulded, yes men. " Yes that does seem to be the case.... Perhaps it's time to change the people who appoint the manager ..... I'm available ....... | |||
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"No top class manager in his right mind would want the job anyway. Hence why we're continually lumped with uninspiring, FA moulded, yes men. Yes that does seem to be the case.... Perhaps it's time to change the people who appoint the manager ..... I'm available ....... "I'd vote for that. | |||
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"It's the players. Most are average at best. They get made to look better than they are playing for their clubs by all the top quality foreign stars around them. Sterling looks great playing with De Bruyne and Silva at Man City. Put him with Dier and Henderson for England and it's a bit different..." I think this guy has it right, Ok Southgate might not be perfect but the England team are average at best no world class players. | |||
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"No top class manager in his right mind would want the job anyway. Hence why we're continually lumped with uninspiring, FA moulded, yes men. Yes that does seem to be the case.... Perhaps it's time to change the people who appoint the manager ..... I'm available ....... "Ah but have you tell required balls for the job.. | |||
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"No top class manager in his right mind would want the job anyway. Hence why we're continually lumped with uninspiring, FA moulded, yes men. Yes that does seem to be the case.... Perhaps it's time to change the people who appoint the manager ..... I'm available .......
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"England team are average at best no world class players." So what is it that the Germans are doing right that we aren't then? | |||
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"England team are average at best no world class players. So what is it that the Germans are doing right that we aren't then?" Ace I am by no means an expert on Football. I watch it now and then if England are playing so another member would better answer that one.I can see even through amateur eyes though that Egland at the moment are just average and would be crushed by any of the top world class teams. | |||
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"No one is good enough to manage England. It's because the players are piss poor. We won't get anywhere even with the best manager in the world. Yeah we're through to the world cup, but we're playing Slovenia, Scotland, Malta and Slovakia? It's not as if we were up against the likes of Argentina, Brazil and Spain for example.. " Yep, even the best manager available can't polish a turd | |||
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"England team are average at best no world class players. So what is it that the Germans are doing right that we aren't then?" I don't the proper answer but could it not be that their are only two or three teams in top German league who have a competitive chance of success and those sides rely on home grown talent so the players are more likely to gel together ? You've got to salute my genius .... | |||
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"The Germans youth team players get the chances to test themselves at the highest level in the leagues. Whereas most of our talented kids are left languishing on premier league benches, or playing the lower leagues. We've a batch of great youth talent, who are winning tournaments, and becoming a band of brothers internationally. Yet where are they week in week out? One or two might get a rare outing in the tampax league trophy or some irrelevant league fixture. " That was my point earlier up the thread, too many so called foreign superstars signed for too much money are making it very difficult for our youngsters to break into first team football to gain the experience. I recon Little Eaton reserves could have scored at least a couple of goals last night | |||
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"Does the problem go further back than the youth setups? Are youngsters lauded for failure instead of having a fear of failure in their mindset? Is there too much 'well done on gaining 8th place out of 8'? While watching the recent Athletics and Swimming world championships, commentators were full of 'congratulations on an amazing achievement in making a final'. It's almost like mediocrity is celebrated at times. " I came second in an egg and spoon race at school and I got lambasted for a couple of years after that until I could do the 3 legged race..... on my own | |||
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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. " Standard England fan right here. Don't tell me 'Football's coming home' | |||
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"Does the problem go further back than the youth setups? Are youngsters lauded for failure instead of having a fear of failure in their mindset? Is there too much 'well done on gaining 8th place out of 8'? While watching the recent Athletics and Swimming world championships, commentators were full of 'congratulations on an amazing achievement in making a final'. It's almost like mediocrity is celebrated at times. " If you ever say to an Aussie 'don't worry its the taking part that counts' you'll get roasted. They teach their kids it's all about the win. Regardless of sport. I teach it's all about 'the enjoyment' and I believe if you do enjoy you will succeed. That's not just to do with sport | |||
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"A trained Monkey could get England to the World Cup/Euros - qualifying is piss easy. Actually might not need to be trained! Then we get found out as other teams have better players. Doesn't matter who is in charge! I think you,ve made a good point There its always easy to blame the manager but if the moneys not there or the players are,nt there, I,ll go for the latter of those two, and it certainly controls the game you (want) to watch or hear nothing will ever change the performance of the team it is a low point in the game itself and many teams find themselves in it mine in particular at present, but even at this level they can still surprise you Like jimmy greaves used to say.. footballs a funny old game.. I,m longing for those days to come back. Are you reet int head yoth? The game has changed tremendously since Greavsie's days. The FA have appointed dinosaurs & misfits over the last couple of decades. As much as I agree with you how the game as changed, the game can still have a twist in it that is what greavie was on about unpredictable or could be at times depending on who you played and for me that can still be the same case on the field nothing is set in stone unless your playing teams like man utd of course, a good example with derbys form at present with the big derby comeing up who in their right mind could give a result on that game in the bookies, the way derby have been playing has been similar to forest but if they have a bad day which of late they have been haveing or they might have a sting in the ever unpredictable tail of derby Which is badly needed for that game, I just hope derby come out wanting to play the 90 minutes they owe the fans that and more but this has been lacking in so many games (will this one make any difference) it will do to the fans. I don't think Southgate has many options open to him at present due to the nature of English clubs being able to pay out top dollar for average foreign imports, thus restricting our homegrown talent to occasional appearances in a league cup match against some tough opponents from Scunthorpe. " | |||
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"England are one of the most overarated country's ever, your better off supporting Scotland they know there shite so everything's a bonus. Fact....apart from beating holland in the euros in 96, since 1966 England have not beaten a top 10 ranked team in a knockout round and before someone says Spain in 96 they were not ranked in the top 10 at the time." So the hand of god from marradonna in 1986 is all forgotten about, he said years later in a Interview when asked about that game against england in the world cup he used his hand to help that ball into the net to knock england out and most likely the only reason Argentina won that game and won the world cup, he did it for revenge from loseing a friend in the falklands war, and yes thats the last time england have looked a potential winning team with Alan shearer and the likes along with beckham etc. | |||
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"So the hand of god from marradonna in 1986 is all forgotten about, he said years later in a Interview when asked about that game against england in the world cup he used his hand to help that ball into the net to knock england out and most likely the only reason Argentina won that game and won the world cup, he did it for revenge from loseing a friend in the falklands war, and yes thats the last time england have looked a potential winning team with Alan shearer and the likes along with beckham etc. " Except Shearer made his England debut in 1992 and Beckham in 1996 | |||
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"As always it's the players who simply aren't good enough. I find it strange that even now people are still blaming the managers, - like they blamed every single manager this century." I know what you mean but we need to drop the culture of paying for mediocrity ...... He will never be the manager we need .... This tolerance of " that will do" is unacceptable for any side that is motivated by success | |||
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"As always it's the players who simply aren't good enough. I find it strange that even now people are still blaming the managers, - like they blamed every single manager this century. I know what you mean but we need to drop the culture of paying for mediocrity ...... He will never be the manager we need .... This tolerance of " that will do" is unacceptable for any side that is motivated by success "I have watched all my life from inside and outside the bubble of how the media first, then fans build everything up about England out of perspective. It's great how everyone gets involved, even down to newspapers giving away flags for the windows and music stars/comedians bringing massive songs/hits out. These people are the first to turn on the manager the minute it goes wrong. Due to this I fail to see the appeal for the job, must be paid pretty decent to do it. Unless you reach a final they'll call you a name, photo shop your face and go through your past, present and future private life with a toothpick looking for a reason why it went so wrong. IMO it goes wrong because English/British players are sat on the bench or not even in the first team whereas the new £50M Spanish (eg) superstar plays all game, every game. Add to that the technical deficiencies and I think it's obvious. Of course there are more to it than this but hopefully if people become more realistic the pressure becomes slightly less and thus they get a better chance to succeed. | |||
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"So the hand of god from marradonna in 1986 is all forgotten about, he said years later in a Interview when asked about that game against england in the world cup he used his hand to help that ball into the net to knock england out and most likely the only reason Argentina won that game and won the world cup, he did it for revenge from loseing a friend in the falklands war, and yes thats the last time england have looked a potential winning team with Alan shearer and the likes along with beckham etc. Except Shearer made his England debut in 1992 and Beckham in 1996" oh scratching my head now.. 92 and 96 ok .. but lets not forget 86.. | |||
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"wow kick him when he's down,bluming disgraceful I wonder what your opinions would have been if England had won tonight?" You've totally missed my point, I think he's done a great job!! I was pointing out how so many people said he was wrong for the job 40 weeks ago and how he's proved them wrong | |||
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"wow kick him when he's down,bluming disgraceful I wonder what your opinions would have been if England had won tonight?" this thread was started 40 weeks ago...and ended 39 weeks ago before someone resurrected it.... chillax, I think Gareth Southgate's considerable reputation will now ensure a positive outcome for both him and his team!! | |||
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"wow kick him when he's down,bluming disgraceful I wonder what your opinions would have been if England had won tonight? You've totally missed my point, I think he's done a great job!! I was pointing out how so many people said he was wrong for the job 40 weeks ago and how he's proved them wrong" I wasn't referring to you,I was referring to the negative comments | |||
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"wow kick him when he's down,bluming disgraceful I wonder what your opinions would have been if England had won tonight? this thread was started 40 weeks ago...and ended 39 weeks ago before someone resurrected it.... chillax, I think Gareth Southgate's considerable reputation will now ensure a positive outcome for both him and his team!!" I just noticed noticed the thread was off months ago,so I'm chilled | |||
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"wow kick him when he's down,bluming disgraceful I wonder what your opinions would have been if England had won tonight? You've totally missed my point, I think he's done a great job!! I was pointing out how so many people said he was wrong for the job 40 weeks ago and how he's proved them wrong" I stand corrected , I was wrong about him. I thought 40 weeks ago it was the wrong appointment but he has proved me wrong. I now feel he has done a great job and brought the youngsters through and things are looking bright for the future. So I hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Well done England and Gareth Southgate | |||
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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. " Sod off. He is just the man for the job. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated" No. Fat Sam should be banned from ever being a manager again. He is crooked. | |||
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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. Sod off. He is just the man for the job." This thread was started last year! Things have moved on somewhat since. | |||
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"Football is about winning, Im not one for celebrating failure. Sorry." How has he failed? He's got further in the competition than predicted. | |||
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"wow kick him when he's down,bluming disgraceful I wonder what your opinions would have been if England had won tonight? You've totally missed my point, I think he's done a great job!! I was pointing out how so many people said he was wrong for the job 40 weeks ago and how he's proved them wrong I stand corrected , I was wrong about him. I thought 40 weeks ago it was the wrong appointment but he has proved me wrong. I now feel he has done a great job and brought the youngsters through and things are looking bright for the future. So I hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Well done England and Gareth Southgate " nice one | |||
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"The FA need to make a change now because southgate isn’t the man to take us to the World Cup. Ok they qualified but the football is boring and poor. Sod off. He is just the man for the job. This thread was started last year! Things have moved on somewhat since. "I spotted that after I posted. However, I would have said the same thing 40 weeks ago! | |||
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"Makes interesting reading in retrospect !" It is indeed! And is also a great indicator of the number of people who just read the soundbite and then shoot from the hip! | |||
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"Makes interesting reading in retrospect ! It is indeed! And is also a great indicator of the number of people who just read the soundbite and then shoot from the hip! "My thoughts indeed, I slightly regret bringing it back to life | |||
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"If you still want rid of him, can he be the next prime minister instead? "He couldn't do any worse than the current lot | |||
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"A trained Monkey could get England to the World Cup/Euros - qualifying is piss easy. Actually might not need to be trained! Then we get found out as other teams have better players. Doesn't matter who is in charge! " This is totally true. Sure, sack the manager, cos it totally has nothing to do with the team playing... but can't get shot of the players because, ya know, merchandise. #reason_5_Ihatefootball | |||
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"Theses players are not rested enough ,they play all season then have to train for world cup ,if he choose his team early in the season ,took them out then rested them for a while ,then trained them they would be ready and not tired .." imo they became jaded not because of games played in xmas ... but because of games played in the last few weeks. They have a very explosive style of play with no real respite within a game. Even their second easiest game needed to be 100% all game. The really good teams can smash and grab at times, and play keep ball at times. France are a good example in this World Cup. Indeed Croatia are not a bad example which is why they still looked fresh after 3x 120 mins. | |||
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"Theses players are not rested enough ,they play all season then have to train for world cup ,if he choose his team early in the season ,took them out then rested them for a while ,then trained them they would be ready and not tired .." How much do they earn? Don't get me wrong I'm proud of the boys but we all work hard and don't need massive amounts of time off, I used to play football daily on my lunch break play 5 a side Tuesday train Thursdays and Saturdays then play Sunday's plus pay for the privilege of playing and training they did well im proud but they get paud well it's not a nice result but rest is not an excuse | |||
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"Theses players are not rested enough ,they play all season then have to train for world cup ,if he choose his team early in the season ,took them out then rested them for a while ,then trained them they would be ready and not tired .. How much do they earn? Don't get me wrong I'm proud of the boys but we all work hard and don't need massive amounts of time off, I used to play football daily on my lunch break play 5 a side Tuesday train Thursdays and Saturdays then play Sunday's plus pay for the privilege of playing and training they did well im proud but they get paud well it's not a nice result but rest is not an excuse" Playing for England? Nothing. The fees they get are donated to good causes (there is a FA charity which distributes the money to grassroots football). | |||
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"But still a failure. Hopefully he has already resigned." Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? I imagine there would not be many employed people in the UK if that were the case. We all need to fail, to learn and get better. I think this has been a valuable experience for a young group if players. Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... | |||
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"But still a failure. Hopefully he has already resigned." Oh dear.. | |||
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"But still a failure. Hopefully he has already resigned." Days ago, people were hailing him for what he had done; now, you want him out??? I have admitted on here that I don't follow the game. BUT... look at the overall picture like a business! He's got the English Team further than any other England Team Manager has done in years. Yes, he's made operational errors along the way but you learn from them, move on and build from the mistakes. But he has also brought hope to a lot of people too! If your idea is to have a "winning team" after a short space of time, that won't work in any business. It takes time and maybe he should be looking ahead now to the next World Cup as a goal in its own right! | |||
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"But still a failure. Hopefully he has already resigned." Jeez. And who would you replace him with? Big Sam? GS is a breath of fresh air after all the jobsworths who preceded him. Or do you prefer a perenially underachieving team of self-obsessed media stars? | |||
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"Southgate has been better than anyone recently, his mistakes have been staying with Sterling when he has been not playing well and Alli when he hasn't looked fit. but you can't blame Southgate for a ref who ignores foul after foul which deserve yellow cards and which would normally have had 3 of the opposition sent off, as well as a goal scored which had a boot so high that any Euro game would have given a foul and booked the player" So many boxes ticked here! | |||
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"Southgate stays. The whole England setup is learning but but the foundations are there to do something big in the next euros and World Cup. The sad thing is this has been the most open World Cup in recent memory. A chance missed." Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Spain just to mention a few will be looking to rebuild over the next few years, We have the foundations of a good team. I believe in Southgate and the spirit that he has brought to the squad (not necessarily his starting XI), but that comes through experience. Glenn Hoddle was someone who could have taken us further if he wasn't hounded by the press..... | |||
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"But still a failure. Hopefully he has already resigned." A failure ???? Really considering at the beggining of the tournament our expectations were quite low. I was expecting us to get no further than the last 16 let alone to the semis. Yes there is a lot of building to do tho with this current team there is longevity and now the lads have experience. With our youth teams already doing well just hope their parent clubs give them the game time. Hopefully we can go further in the euros in 2 years time with Gareth in charge. | |||
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"But still a failure. Hopefully he has already resigned. A failure ???? Really considering at the beggining of the tournament our expectations were quite low. I was expecting us to get no further than the last 16 let alone to the semis. Yes there is a lot of building to do tho with this current team there is longevity and now the lads have experience. With our youth teams already doing well just hope their parent clubs give them the game time. Hopefully we can go further in the euros in 2 years time with Gareth in charge." yes he did a great job with that young team they should have beaten that Croatian team but they didn't take their chances and that's football but Gareth inspired us and that team it will produce and Stirling if he could just start capitalising on that speed and score could be a great asset | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that?" Good post.
I would bet that Argentina, Germany, Brazil, Spain, Portugal, and not forgetting Italy and Holland who didn't even get to Russia, would all love to be in the third place play off game on Saturday.
Back to Southgate.
I had doubts about his appointment at the time but after the Allardice fiasco he seemed to be a safe pair of hands that would at least steady the ship for a while without doing anything spectacular.
In a remarkably short space of time he has developed a young team of no names (how many of us had heard of Maguire, Trippier, and Pickford a year ago?) into possibly third but at least, fourth in the world.
It is still a work in progress and of course there were a few failings last night (not least learning to take your early chances) but the system seems to work and the team spirit is the best I've seen for decades.
So lets get past the third place game then bring on the Euro's.
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"Southgate shouldn't have got the job in the first place All he ever achieved was get boro relegated and got youths knocked out at group stage " Best manager England have had since Robson. Who should they have got in instead? Base your reply on where England were at the time of the appointment | |||
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"Southgate shouldn't have got the job in the first place All he ever achieved was get boro relegated and got youths knocked out at group stage Best manager England have had since Robson. Who should they have got in instead? Base your reply on where England were at the time of the appointment" If there isn't a suitable English man at the time get a foreigner again just this time one that can speak English You don't give the job to a guy who has proven himself to be a bad manager | |||
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"Southgate shouldn't have got the job in the first place All he ever achieved was get boro relegated and got youths knocked out at group stage Best manager England have had since Robson. Who should they have got in instead? Base your reply on where England were at the time of the appointment If there isn't a suitable English man at the time get a foreigner again just this time one that can speak English You don't give the job to a guy who has proven himself to be a bad manager " You've not offered a name instead of Southgates? We can all sit here from inside or in our cases, outside the England bubble but you should be able to offer suitable candidates for the job. | |||
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"Southgate shouldn't have got the job in the first place All he ever achieved was get boro relegated and got youths knocked out at group stage Best manager England have had since Robson. Who should they have got in instead? Base your reply on where England were at the time of the appointment If there isn't a suitable English man at the time get a foreigner again just this time one that can speak English You don't give the job to a guy who has proven himself to be a bad manager You've not offered a name instead of Southgates? We can all sit here from inside or in our cases, outside the England bubble but you should be able to offer suitable candidates for the job." You want a list of good foreign managers that have a proven track record? It would be a long list | |||
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"Southgate shouldn't have got the job in the first place All he ever achieved was get boro relegated and got youths knocked out at group stage Best manager England have had since Robson. Who should they have got in instead? Base your reply on where England were at the time of the appointment If there isn't a suitable English man at the time get a foreigner again just this time one that can speak English You don't give the job to a guy who has proven himself to be a bad manager You've not offered a name instead of Southgates? We can all sit here from inside or in our cases, outside the England bubble but you should be able to offer suitable candidates for the job. You want a list of good foreign managers that have a proven track record? It would be a long list" No I'd like you to come up with a shortlist of these names that would WANT the job and who the fans would want in the job. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated" Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that?" Well said | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far..." But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. " It was a loss because once again here is a man that repeats the same dumb substitutions every second half killing his own teams drive. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. It was a loss because once again here is a man that repeats the same dumb substitutions every second half killing his own teams drive." It was a loss because you didn't take the chances you created. England should of won it first half. 2-0 up and the subs don't come into it | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that? Well said "I'd thank the armed Russian soldiers for no fan violence Now if we can just have all major tournaments in police states that will be the end of football violence | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that? Well said
I'd thank the armed Russian soldiers for no fan violence
Now if we can just have all major tournaments in police states that will be the end of football violence"Fan conduct should be exemplary on every occasion. It should be to be expected | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that? Well said
I'd thank the armed Russian soldiers for no fan violence
Now if we can just have all major tournaments in police states that will be the end of football violence" | |||
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"Thank fuck Big Sam took that bung" I'll second that. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. " You do know that FA expectations of the England team was only to reach the round of 16? He took us further than that. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. You do know that FA expectations of the England team was only to reach the round of 16? He took us further than that." Stop making things up! As if the target was just to lose. Why enter in that case? And how would you even know that was the target? | |||
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"Southgate shouldn't have got the job in the first place All he ever achieved was get boro relegated and got youths knocked out at group stage " Eedjit #3 | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. You do know that FA expectations of the England team was only to reach the round of 16? He took us further than that. Stop making things up! As if the target was just to lose. Why enter in that case? And how would you even know that was the target?" I believe the FA stated what they felt would be a success. And getting to the last 16 isn't losing. It's something 150+ other countries failed to do, including some of the best national teams in the world, including the current holders and several past winners. Your posts make less and less sense...... | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. You do know that FA expectations of the England team was only to reach the round of 16? He took us further than that. Stop making things up! As if the target was just to lose. Why enter in that case? And how would you even know that was the target?" In that case, what was the point of Panama entering? | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. You do know that FA expectations of the England team was only to reach the round of 16? He took us further than that. Stop making things up! As if the target was just to lose. Why enter in that case? And how would you even know that was the target? I believe the FA stated what they felt would be a success. And getting to the last 16 isn't losing. It's something 150+ other countries failed to do, including some of the best national teams in the world, including the current holders and several past winners. Your posts make less and less sense......" I'm getting the impression that he's a Fat Sam fan, so anything anyone else did (even if they exceeded the well known expectations) would not be good enough. | |||
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"so whats new,he failed with the under 21's yet got the job.We won the group he will stay.Big Sam should still be manager he is so underated Feck I like beg sami I've met him and he's a great bloke to get on with. But ffs Southgate has gone so far with the team and I think he has far surpassed Sam. .. I know you posted months ago but I think we need to stick with Southgate at least until the 2022 world cup....you don't ditch a manager who took us so far... But he didn't really. Because of the luck of the draw, the tactical losing of an earlier match, and the usual names unexpectedly dropping out, most of the opponents were a push-over. The first time a real opponent was encountered and it was a loss. You do know that FA expectations of the England team was only to reach the round of 16? He took us further than that. Stop making things up! As if the target was just to lose. Why enter in that case? And how would you even know that was the target? I believe the FA stated what they felt would be a success. And getting to the last 16 isn't losing. It's something 150+ other countries failed to do, including some of the best national teams in the world, including the current holders and several past winners. Your posts make less and less sense...... I'm getting the impression that he's a Fat Sam fan, so anything anyone else did (even if they exceeded the well known expectations) would not be good enough." You could be onto something there..... | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020..." Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!!
A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again. | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!! " I would be willing to put another bet on your above list. We could find 100s of examples where those people have got it wrong... ...and not lost their jobs. Particularly early in their careers. It is entirely human to make mistakes, not learning from them is what should be punished. | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!! I would be willing to put another bet on your above list. We could find 100s of examples where those people have got it wrong... ...and not lost their jobs. Particularly early in their careers. It is entirely human to make mistakes, not learning from them is what should be punished." I completely agree....but that was not what was asked. He asked if we expect them to get their job right 100% of the time. And we do, otherwise we would not fly, we would not go to hospital etc. But we must punish if appropriate if someone does not do their job properly. Think of the Shoreham air crash pilot.... about to go on trial. We expected him to do his job properly! He didn’t. Therefore he will be punished if found guilty. | |||
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A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again. " | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!!
A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again. "Don't forget a striker or two which would make it half a new team And what did schools,Gerard or lampard ever win anyway? England lack technical ability and skill. Always have done How can you compete against the best teams without technical ability and skill | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!!
A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again.
Don't forget a striker or two which would make it half a new team
And what did schools,Gerard or lampard ever win anyway?
England lack technical ability and skill. Always have done
How can you compete against the best teams without technical ability and skill"Scholes; 2 champions league wins 11 premiership champions 4 FA cups 3 league cups 1 fifa club world cup wins Gerard; 1 uefa best European player 1 champions league 2 FA cups 3 league cups 1 uefa cup 2 uefa super cups 2 English super cups 1 footballer of the year Lampard; 1 champions league 3 premier league winner 4 FA cups 2 league cups 1 Europa league 3 English super cups 1 footballer of the year. So not much really. | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!!
A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again.
Don't forget a striker or two which would make it half a new team
And what did schools,Gerard or lampard ever win anyway?
England lack technical ability and skill. Always have done
How can you compete against the best teams without technical ability and skill
Scholes;
2 champions league wins
11 premiership champions
4 FA cups
3 league cups
1 fifa club world cup wins
Gerard;
1 uefa best European player
1 champions league
2 FA cups
3 league cups
1 uefa cup
2 uefa super cups
2 English super cups
1 footballer of the year
Lampard;
1 champions league
3 premier league winner
4 FA cups
2 league cups
1 Europa league
3 English super cups
1 footballer of the year.
So not much really.
"In an English shirt we are talking about They won a lot alright,in teams full of gifted foreigners Here's the list of what they won in an English shirt 0 That's right they won sweet fuck all | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!!
A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again.
Don't forget a striker or two which would make it half a new team
And what did schools,Gerard or lampard ever win anyway?
England lack technical ability and skill. Always have done
How can you compete against the best teams without technical ability and skill"Are you an actual football fan? Which national team do you support? Because it sure as hell isn't England. | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!!
A bet for the Euros? Absolutely as long as we can grow. No where near the finished article yet but with development.... find a midfield dynamo (like Paula Scholes, Gerard, Lampard etc) and cover for defence and maybe a different captain we might do ok again.
Don't forget a striker or two which would make it half a new team
And what did schools,Gerard or lampard ever win anyway?
England lack technical ability and skill. Always have done
How can you compete against the best teams without technical ability and skill
Scholes;
2 champions league wins
11 premiership champions
4 FA cups
3 league cups
1 fifa club world cup wins
Gerard;
1 uefa best European player
1 champions league
2 FA cups
3 league cups
1 uefa cup
2 uefa super cups
2 English super cups
1 footballer of the year
Lampard;
1 champions league
3 premier league winner
4 FA cups
2 league cups
1 Europa league
3 English super cups
1 footballer of the year.
So not much really.
In an English shirt we are talking about
They won a lot alright,in teams full of gifted foreigners
Here's the list of what they won in an English shirt
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That's right they won sweet fuck all
"Your question was; "And what did schools,Gerard or lampard ever win anyway?" I'd say the reason they won little in an England shirt wasn't their lack of skill or creativity, clearly they have it in abundance, but the lack of quality throughout the rest of the England squads at the time. | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!! I would be willing to put another bet on your above list. We could find 100s of examples where those people have got it wrong... ...and not lost their jobs. Particularly early in their careers. It is entirely human to make mistakes, not learning from them is what should be punished. I completely agree....but that was not what was asked. He asked if we expect them to get their job right 100% of the time. And we do, otherwise we would not fly, we would not go to hospital etc. But we must punish if appropriate if someone does not do their job properly. Think of the Shoreham air crash pilot.... about to go on trial. We expected him to do his job properly! He didn’t. Therefore he will be punished if found guilty. " I might be wrong but we weren't expected to get to the semi finals right? So he actually over achieved on what was thought to be a realistic target, yes? That's like booking a flight to malaga and landing on the moon! | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!! I would be willing to put another bet on your above list. We could find 100s of examples where those people have got it wrong... ...and not lost their jobs. Particularly early in their careers. It is entirely human to make mistakes, not learning from them is what should be punished. I completely agree....but that was not what was asked. He asked if we expect them to get their job right 100% of the time. And we do, otherwise we would not fly, we would not go to hospital etc. But we must punish if appropriate if someone does not do their job properly. Think of the Shoreham air crash pilot.... about to go on trial. We expected him to do his job properly! He didn’t. Therefore he will be punished if found guilty. I might be wrong but we weren't expected to get to the semi finals right? So he actually over achieved on what was thought to be a realistic target, yes? That's like booking a flight to malaga and landing on the moon! " Some people use the wildest extremes to justify their posture.... | |||
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!! I would be willing to put another bet on your above list. We could find 100s of examples where those people have got it wrong... ...and not lost their jobs. Particularly early in their careers. It is entirely human to make mistakes, not learning from them is what should be punished. I completely agree....but that was not what was asked. He asked if we expect them to get their job right 100% of the time. And we do, otherwise we would not fly, we would not go to hospital etc. But we must punish if appropriate if someone does not do their job properly. Think of the Shoreham air crash pilot.... about to go on trial. We expected him to do his job properly! He didn’t. Therefore he will be punished if found guilty. I might be wrong but we weren't expected to get to the semi finals right? So he actually over achieved on what was thought to be a realistic target, yes? That's like booking a flight to malaga and landing on the moon! Some people use the wildest extremes to justify their posture.... "I can't work out if you're supporting my comment or taking the piss lol | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that? Well said "
People will say we only won games because the teams were crap...but those crap teams qualified just like the "better" teams who got chucked out. I think there is an element of luck that goes with it too... sometimes the luck goes your way.
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" Out of curiosity do you expect everyone to get their job right 100% of the time? Worth a bet for the Euros 2020... Top bit.... yes absolutely.... that is why people get paid. Think pharmacists, pilots, train drivers, doctors etc etc. But I know what you are saying!! I would be willing to put another bet on your above list. We could find 100s of examples where those people have got it wrong... ...and not lost their jobs. Particularly early in their careers. It is entirely human to make mistakes, not learning from them is what should be punished. I completely agree....but that was not what was asked. He asked if we expect them to get their job right 100% of the time. And we do, otherwise we would not fly, we would not go to hospital etc. But we must punish if appropriate if someone does not do their job properly. Think of the Shoreham air crash pilot.... about to go on trial. We expected him to do his job properly! He didn’t. Therefore he will be punished if found guilty. I might be wrong but we weren't expected to get to the semi finals right? So he actually over achieved on what was thought to be a realistic target, yes? That's like booking a flight to malaga and landing on the moon! Some people use the wildest extremes to justify their posture....
I can't work out if you're supporting my comment or taking the piss lol "Supporting. | |||
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"Some of the criticism is unbelievable. Your team reached the last four. The last four! 190-odd countries around the world did not do that. England did. I'd be incredibly proud if that was my team. They gave a lot of pleasure to people at a time of chaos and strife, too. Their conduct was exemplary and I've not heard a bad word said about the supporters. What's not to like about that? Well said
People will say we only won games because the teams were crap...but those crap teams qualified just like the "better" teams who got chucked out. I think there is an element of luck that goes with it too... sometimes the luck goes your way.
Their attitude and the way they conducted themselves was great to see."Mourinho said the best teams win the league, the luckiest team wins the champions league. I'd say there's a lot of truth for the world cup and euros too. | |||
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