FabSwingers.com forum: Assisted Dying ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What's your thoughts ?

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

For if the individual is of proven sound mind.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"For if the individual is of proven sound mind."
exactly this xx

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

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Absolutely.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

I think it's extremely cruel to force people to endure an existence with very little quality of life when they are not physically capable of ending it themselves

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By *oxic1998Woman
over a year ago

Belfast

I believe if there is definitely no cure and they are suffering then yes. We have the right to put animals to sleep if they are suffering then why cant we do the same with us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% if the right rules and regulations are in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally in favour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's extremely cruel to force people to endure an existence with very little quality of life when they are not physically capable of ending it themselves"

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Presumably this topic has arisen due to the Noel Conway case. A man who is in the latter stages of MND.

The matter solely relies on quality of life and competence to make such a decision. No one can make their point better than Noel Conway himself who stresses the quality of life he is, and will be enduring is not a life worth living. He is a man of full capacity and is simply entombed in a state of paralysis.

He deserves the right to have control of his death as do many others and I hope that the legislation regarding euthanasia is completely rewritten.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have resuscitated people who were frail and didn't have DNR in place and it's horrible .so id want to die not get resuscitated when I reach a point in my life that I have poor quality of life and no family .Alot live longer know and actually see there family die before them .I couldn't go through that .Had a few patients ask about going to Switzerland .It always makes me sad .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" What's your thoughts ?"

What a fecking topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all have the right to die a dignified death as and how we see fit. The governments refusal to accept that sickens me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone makes that choice , I'd support them.

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

"I believe if there is definitely no cure and they are suffering then yes. We have the right to put animals to sleep if they are suffering then why cant we do the same with us.

100% this. To leave an animal suffer you can get prosecuted yet to watch a human is fine.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" What's your thoughts ?

What a fecking topic

Hey don't blame me it was an article on Sky news

Some of us don't watch Jeremy Kyle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Assisted dying is looked at from the patients perspective. Agreed that if retains full capacity then should be able to decide future inc assisted dying.

However just spare a thought for the clinician who will have this as a job, basically ending people's life. If you have ever watched someone die, it is never pleasant no matter the level of drugs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" What's your thoughts ?

What a fecking topic

Hey don't blame me it was an article on Sky news

Some of us don't watch Jeremy Kyle

I have sky news on now cheeky fecker...I'm watching about Ted heath now....and tell the truth..you've been watching fecking tipping point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes please.

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

My mum suffers from primary progressive MS and I have been her main carer for the last 4 years.

Her condition is getting steadily worse and their is currently no treatment for her kind of MS.

If, at some pointing the future, she decided she wanted to go to the dignitas clinic in Switzerland I would take her.

It's not something I would want to do but it is her decision. As her carer and a loving daughter I would respect her wishes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As adults, we can choose pretty much anything we do to our bodies - apart from when to end our pain. We are allowed to choose whether to continue treatment or not if we have a terminal disease, but not when to not continue with life anymore. I believe that as long as the person has capacity, they should be able to choose when they wish to die, and be supported to die with dignity. A dear family friend died of motor neurone disease many years ago and it was one of the most horrendous things I've ever seen in my life. She had taken her fight to end her life to the high court and lost.

If I was in her position, I would want to die with dignity too. I think most of us would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally in agreement. We don't keep animals in pain yet we insist on keeping our fellow humans in an undignified end x

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"My mum suffers from primary progressive MS and I have been her main carer for the last 4 years.

Her condition is getting steadily worse and their is currently no treatment for her kind of MS.

If, at some pointing the future, she decided she wanted to go to the dignitas clinic in Switzerland I would take her.

It's not something I would want to do but it is her decision. As her carer and a loving daughter I would respect her wishes."

Not sure I would have the courage to do that however I’m not in that situation. I think seeing a loved one suffer would change my mind.

You are very brave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Assisted dying is looked at from the patients perspective. Agreed that if retains full capacity then should be able to decide future inc assisted dying.

However just spare a thought for the clinician who will have this as a job, basically ending people's life. If you have ever watched someone die, it is never pleasant no matter the level of drugs!"

And how does that same clinician feel knowing that he's causing pain and distress by forcing the terminally ill to stay alive against their wishes.

Euthenasia is an act of mercy, not malice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Assisted dying is looked at from the patients perspective. Agreed that if retains full capacity then should be able to decide future inc assisted dying.

However just spare a thought for the clinician who will have this as a job, basically ending people's life. If you have ever watched someone die, it is never pleasant no matter the level of drugs!"

As a vet does?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

It's a very interesting and highly emotional subject and personally I was all for it.

Until a couple of years ago there was a debate on radio 4 and they were interviewing a woman ( now forgive me if I am not 100% correct as it was some time ago)

Anyway they were talking about the place in Switzerland .

She had decided that she had had enough and was going there to die.

She was married.

Basically,she had kid's all grown up,worked been successful,had a good life and was only about 70.

Starting to get the odd but of arthritis and the normal stuff that comes with ageing.

She decided that she didn't want to get any older and didn't want to be reliant on others.

Also the pain of arthritis

Was going to be unbearable.

Like I said this is roughly the story,she wasn't terminally ill, didn't have Alzheimer's or anything.

Just decided she had had her lot and everything from that point was going to be downhill.

Now whilst it her life her choice.

This is not what assisted dying and euthanasia is about.

Is it?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

As long as there's no financial gain then yeah, why not?

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

As long as the individual has the capacity to express their thoughts and reasons are justified, then yes. I know I would want to if I knew I was going to die, but while waiting to die I would be in a considerable amount of pain. I wouldn't want that for me or those who are close to me to have to watch. People who are healthy aren't allowed to suffer pain that could lead to their death from another person, it is against the law, so why should a person with a disease/illness have to.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

It's a huge topic in my family.

My grandad totaly bedridden, slow painful death.

I'm totaly in favour if there is no longer quality of life

32 yrs ago I vowed that was not how I'd go.

My sons know my wishes, a plan is in place.

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By *rightonCheekyMan
over a year ago

Brighton

"As adults, we can choose pretty much anything we do to our bodies - apart from when to end our pain. We are allowed to choose whether to continue treatment or not if we have a terminal disease, but not when to not continue with life anymore. I believe that as long as the person has capacity, they should be able to choose when they wish to die, and be supported to die with dignity. A dear family friend died of motor neurone disease many years ago and it was one of the most horrendous things I've ever seen in my life. She had taken her fight to end her life to the high court and lost.

If I was in her position, I would want to die with dignity too. I think most of us would. "

I think you nailed it here, totally agree and nothing more to add.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a very interesting and highly emotional subject and personally I was all for it.

Until a couple of years ago there was a debate on radio 4 and they were interviewing a woman ( now forgive me if I am not 100% correct as it was some time ago)

Anyway they were talking about the place in Switzerland .

She had decided that she had had enough and was going there to die.

She was married.

Basically,she had kid's all grown up,worked been successful,had a good life and was only about 70.

Starting to get the odd but of arthritis and the normal stuff that comes with ageing.

She decided that she didn't want to get any older and didn't want to be reliant on others.

Also the pain of arthritis

Was going to be unbearable.

Like I said this is roughly the story,she wasn't terminally ill, didn't have Alzheimer's or anything.

Just decided she had had her lot and everything from that point was going to be downhill.

Now whilst it her life her choice.

This is not what assisted dying and euthanasia is about.

Is it?"

So I suffer from a form of depression which has me considering suicide every day. Each day I haven't, I think about how much of a struggle the next will be and the reward will be just another day. I won't commit suicide because I know I am ill. But I know that having to go through a life you don't want is beyond the moral quandaries of wider society. People really should be able to choose, because the gift of life is ours..and we should be able to give it back when we like. But the sufferingniy causes to others, I wouldn't want to do it to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally feel this is a must. I have seen several close friends and family suffer the indignity of terminal disease and end of life care.

I have asked many times this question myself and mixed reviews are always given. We live in a society where it is seen as cruel and unjust to let an animal suffer being in pain unable to meet basic needs and we can choose their fate so why not our own?.

I would much rather die on my own terms after saying my good byes and in peace rather than drag myself though pain after pain.

But of course protections must always be given. Soundness if mind and judgement of character ECT should come into play.

I would always support anyone who makes this brave choice no matter how controversial this may be.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a very interesting and highly emotional subject and personally I was all for it.

Until a couple of years ago there was a debate on radio 4 and they were interviewing a woman ( now forgive me if I am not 100% correct as it was some time ago)

Anyway they were talking about the place in Switzerland .

She had decided that she had had enough and was going there to die.

She was married.

Basically,she had kid's all grown up,worked been successful,had a good life and was only about 70.

Starting to get the odd but of arthritis and the normal stuff that comes with ageing.

She decided that she didn't want to get any older and didn't want to be reliant on others.

Also the pain of arthritis

Was going to be unbearable.

Like I said this is roughly the story,she wasn't terminally ill, didn't have Alzheimer's or anything.

Just decided she had had her lot and everything from that point was going to be downhill.

Now whilst it her life her choice.

This is not what assisted dying and euthanasia is about.

Is it?"

Surely choice is...choice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a loved one go through something like Cancer and the suffering of then. as well as their loved ones.

People might soon change their minds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For if the individual is of proven sound mind."

This

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

" What's your thoughts ?

What a fecking topic

Far more interesting than some regular topics

I was thinking about doing this topic myself a few weeks ago.

Have you seen the BBC Documentary 'Terry Pratchett: Choosing to Die'?

It covers assisted suicide from an interesting perspective, emotionally sensitive and thought provoking.

I believe people should have the right to choose to die, if pain or disability affect a persons quality of life to such an extent that staying alive is prolonging suffering. Obviously this need to be regulated and personal assessments carried out.

If an animal is suffering in any way it's natural that it is put down to stop it suffering. But doing the same with a person would be considered inhumane and murder, but keeping a person alive when they are in unbearable pain or unable to do anything to do anything for themselves is seen as an act of kindness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's extremely cruel to force people to endure an existence with very little quality of life when they are not physically capable of ending it themselves"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a very interesting and highly emotional subject and personally I was all for it.

Until a couple of years ago there was a debate on radio 4 and they were interviewing a woman ( now forgive me if I am not 100% correct as it was some time ago)

Anyway they were talking about the place in Switzerland .

She had decided that she had had enough and was going there to die.

She was married.

Basically,she had kid's all grown up,worked been successful,had a good life and was only about 70.

Starting to get the odd but of arthritis and the normal stuff that comes with ageing.

She decided that she didn't want to get any older and didn't want to be reliant on others.

Also the pain of arthritis

Was going to be unbearable.

Like I said this is roughly the story,she wasn't terminally ill, didn't have Alzheimer's or anything.

Just decided she had had her lot and everything from that point was going to be downhill.

Now whilst it her life her choice.

This is not what assisted dying and euthanasia is about.

Is it?"

Why not though? Why can't we choose when we die? I think people should be able to choose for themselves. I support her decision.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"We all have the right to die a dignified death as and how we see fit. The governments refusal to accept that sickens me"

I'd rather have the right to a dignified life...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Presumably this topic has arisen due to the Noel Conway case. A man who is in the latter stages of MND.

He deserves the right to have control of his death as do many others and I hope that the legislation regarding euthanasia is completely rewritten."

100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather have the right to a dignified life..."

Nailed it.

Many disabled and elderly are anxious about being a burden and I'm sure if assisted suicide /euthanasia was legalised their right to a dignifed life would be dismissed.

Euthanasia happens already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We all have the right to die a dignified death as and how we see fit. The governments refusal to accept that sickens me

I'd rather have the right to a dignified life..."

Ideally we should be entitled to both. But I get your point

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

Yes should be fully legal. Anyone should have the right to die at any point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should have the right to chose. Why should someone have to die early so they can travel to Switzerland to only get this. We end our pets suffering when this time comes why not a person?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"It's a very interesting and highly emotional subject and personally I was all for it.

Until a couple of years ago there was a debate on radio 4 and they were interviewing a woman ( now forgive me if I am not 100% correct as it was some time ago)

Anyway they were talking about the place in Switzerland .

She had decided that she had had enough and was going there to die.

She was married.

Basically,she had kid's all grown up,worked been successful,had a good life and was only about 70.

Starting to get the odd but of arthritis and the normal stuff that comes with ageing.

She decided that she didn't want to get any older and didn't want to be reliant on others.

Also the pain of arthritis

Was going to be unbearable.

Like I said this is roughly the story,she wasn't terminally ill, didn't have Alzheimer's or anything.

Just decided she had had her lot and everything from that point was going to be downhill.

Now whilst it her life her choice.

This is not what assisted dying and euthanasia is about.

Is it?

Surely choice is...choice?"

Of course.

It did get me thinking tho.

But when does assisted dying go from helping someone to die with dignity who is suffering from a horrendous illness.

So just ( I use the term with the uttermost respect) just suicide?

Point being that this will give fuel to the fire of those who oppose it.

I do think it should be legal for exceptional cases to end their lives when they want.

From an ethical point of view, could a doctor who has taken an oath to preserve life knowingly assist with the death of a healthy person ?

I'm just trying to give a balanced opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If regulated and policed properly so not everyone could then start 'assisting' people then I can't see why it shouldn't be a option for the terminally ill.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"We all have the right to die a dignified death as and how we see fit. The governments refusal to accept that sickens me

I'd rather have the right to a dignified life...

Ideally we should be entitled to both. But I get your point

Yeah we should. But how can the government be convinced to allow people the choice to die, and stop paying taxes? They'd want to make money out of it somehow, such as imposing a fee for the application, consultations and assessments, medical costs ect. It would be out of the price range the majority of people could afford. We'd be in the position of not being able afford to live or die. Where's the dignity in that!

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

From an ethical point of view, could a doctor who has taken an oath to preserve life knowingly assist with the death of a healthy person ?

If a healthy person requested an assisted suicide, that would be in the realms of mental health and be dismissed as not 'being of sound mind, of course this would be different if the healthy person was paralysed from the neck down with limited ability to communicate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly dunno how I actually feel about the subject. I've seen people die, I've held their hands in the last moments of loved ones and strangers alike.

I agree people deserve to die with dignity but... Life is a gift. It really goes against the grain to not help people live. to let people die.

I think there is a big difference between euthanasia and assisted dying, but if it were to come in place strict guidelines would need to be in place and highly regulated too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm all for it.

I think people that are sound of mind but unable to end their own life - should be able to choose what their fate is.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

There are quit a few feckers I would like to assist in dying

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"I honestly dunno how I actually feel about the subject. I've seen people die, I've held their hands in the last moments of loved ones and strangers alike.

I agree people deserve to die with dignity but... Life is a gift. It really goes against the grain to not help people live. to let people die.

I think there is a big difference between euthanasia and assisted dying, but if it were to come in place strict guidelines would need to be in place and highly regulated too.

It also goes against the grain to let a person suffer and do nothing to help.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"There are quit a few feckers I would like to assist in dying

Under current laws that would be murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not in favour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly dunno how I actually feel about the subject. I've seen people die, I've held their hands in the last moments of loved ones and strangers alike.

I agree people deserve to die with dignity but... Life is a gift. It really goes against the grain to not help people live. to let people die.

I think there is a big difference between euthanasia and assisted dying, but if it were to come in place strict guidelines would need to be in place and highly regulated too.

It also goes against the grain to let a person suffer and do nothing to help."

Yes but I never said I'd do nothing to help. I've sat with people who have a DNAR in place, knew they were going to die and not a sod I could do if they did, but I made sure they were as comfortable as possible for those final moments.

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