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By *abio OP   Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

its the daily mail vs the daily mirror this morning....

oh dear leader yesterday in her speech said that rules in england would be changed so that instead of having to Opt in for donations at time of death, it would now be opt out if you don't want to donate...

Scotland do it the opt out way, so do Wales.......

the daily mirror have been campaigning for this for 2 years... and are delighted

the daily mail... well they are absolutely livid!!!

so do you think it should be "opt in".... or "Opt out"?

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

Opt in.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

Opt out x

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By *loppsyWoman
over a year ago

marlow

Opt out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's about time we had the 'opt out' law here. We must also stop relatives being able to override the wishes of the deceased.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out. Might save a few lives. I think the regulations regarding organ removal and time of death will need to be very clear though.

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

I've believed if should be opt out for years!

I haven't read anything 're the new proposal but I hope it clears the fact that currently even if I opt in my family can overrule it.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Already in.

No good to me when I'm dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It should be Opt out. I agree with the above about not allowing relatives to overrule your wishes.

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

Opt out and have to prove your of sound mind to do so. It's hardly as if you need them any longer and therefore depriving others of a way out of their suffering is pretty selfish.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely opt out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out.

I've seen first hand the good that comes from organ donation, why wouldn't you want to to do something that could save someone's life. It's not like you need any of them once you're gone.

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By *a Fee VerteWoman
over a year ago

Limbo

Much as it pains me to agree with Theresa May, opt out. Seems common sense to me.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville


"I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives. "

To clarify my late husband also changed his mind on donation too. It's a much easier subject to express an opinion about when you can make a calculated emotionless decision, as I see from some other comments. Not always as easy as we might like to think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out and anyone who chooses opt in should forego the right to a transplant if they should ever need one.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Opt out and anyone who chooses opt in should forego the right to a transplant if they should ever need one."

This actually makes perfect sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives.

To clarify my late husband also changed his mind on donation too. It's a much easier subject to express an opinion about when you can make a calculated emotionless decision, as I see from some other comments. Not always as easy as we might like to think. "

I'm sure we all understand your grief but doesn't organ donation mean that at least some good comes from such tragedy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Opt out and anyone who chooses opt in should forego the right to a transplant if they should ever need one."

Completely agree and my thoughts exactly, unless your reasons for opting out are medical.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville


"I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives.

To clarify my late husband also changed his mind on donation too. It's a much easier subject to express an opinion about when you can make a calculated emotionless decision, as I see from some other comments. Not always as easy as we might like to think.

I'm sure we all understand your grief but doesn't organ donation mean that at least some good comes from such tragedy?"

No, your question shows you don't understand......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt in.

But if it becomes opt out I would opt out

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

Firmly in the opt out camp here.

I believe that it abhorrent for parts of us to be buried or burnt to ashes if they can be used to save someone's life after we're dead!

I also believe that those who are able to donate blood most definitely should do so.

We would all willingly be on the receiving end of someone else's kind hearted gift if our lives depended on it, so why shouldn't we repay that favour to others if the circumstances were different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives.

To clarify my late husband also changed his mind on donation too. It's a much easier subject to express an opinion about when you can make a calculated emotionless decision, as I see from some other comments. Not always as easy as we might like to think.

I'm sure we all understand your grief but doesn't organ donation mean that at least some good comes from such tragedy?

No, your question shows you don't understand......"

If your husband’s life could have been saved by having an organ transplant, would he have had one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been an advocate of this scheme for years....

If people don't wish donate that's fine

But for me they can have everything including my cock and balls although I'd like my arsehole preserved and mounted in gold leaf and sent to Mistress Dominatrix

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville


"I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives.

To clarify my late husband also changed his mind on donation too. It's a much easier subject to express an opinion about when you can make a calculated emotionless decision, as I see from some other comments. Not always as easy as we might like to think.

I'm sure we all understand your grief but doesn't organ donation mean that at least some good comes from such tragedy?

No, your question shows you don't understand......

If your husband’s life could have been saved by having an organ transplant, would he have had one?"

That was never the situation for him so I can't honestly comment. It's how you feel in a moment in time that I am trying to explain.

It's easy to look good when you don't have a predicament facing you and you can make an educated decision with your head not your heart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've opted in. It took me years to get around to doing it, but I had told my children to allow any of my organs to be taken if they are useable.

Is this for 18+ only?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've opted in. It took me years to get around to doing it, but I had told my children to allow any of my organs to be taken if they are useable.

Is this for 18+ only?"

I agree with the opting out.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It should be Opt out. I agree with the above about not allowing relatives to overrule your wishes."

this and ditto the point about relatives who may act in such a manner..

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

I would say opt out,

Not enough people think to opt in for it at the min.

Miss

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By *ic-tac-toeMan
over a year ago

barnsley

Opt. Out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My reason for opting out is after watching a close friend fall apart after her son was an organ donor. Losing him was bad enough but she was made to feel she was a nasty person if she didn't let them cut her child up..

She also is still convinced that they didn't try hard enough to save him because he was an organ donor. He had been in a car açcident...

She killed herself 5 years later.. so my reason for opting out is seeing the tramua it caused.

I also do think that at times the medical staff may choose to save the many over the one. ( it is actually used as a moral consequence question at times.. ) if a doctor could save 5 people by letting 1 die should they... it worries me .

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By *awty nannaWoman
over a year ago

sheffield

Opt in for me,,,,my family know my selfish wishes of not wanting to donate my organs, my body, my choice and yes know that`s very selfish of me, and would be happy if cos I want to opt in that I would`nt be allowed to have donated organs ,,,,,,

I donated blood for a long time, but because of new guidelines within the blood service i`m no longer allowed to donate my O negative blood, and feel bad about it cos blood service is crying out for O neg,,,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we are already opted in and agree that it should be the case where everyone should be opted in with the option to opt out

Think it would be wrong to then say if you opt out you can’t receive a donation due to many different reasons as to why people would opt out. How about in the case of non emergency/immediate life threatening operations people who remain opted in should get priority on waiting lists ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My reason for opting out is after watching a close friend fall apart after her son was an organ donor. Losing him was bad enough but she was made to feel she was a nasty person if she didn't let them cut her child up..

She also is still convinced that they didn't try hard enough to save him because he was an organ donor. He had been in a car açcident...

She killed herself 5 years later.. so my reason for opting out is seeing the tramua it caused.

I also do think that at times the medical staff may choose to save the many over the one. ( it is actually used as a moral consequence question at times.. ) if a doctor could save 5 people by letting 1 die should they... it worries me . "

This is a good point but i still think the rules should be changed to 'opt out'. You still have an option.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

Opt out. I’ve registered for organ donation but can’t give blood due to previous transfusions years ago.

When my Dad died of a stroke they couldn’t use his organs unfortunately. My Mum did ask at the time. He was a blood donor all his life and gave over 60 pints.

One of my sons is A- so I’m encouraging him to give blood again as he is part of 6% of the population.

Having received blood I know how important it is to donate it too. It saved my life.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Organ donation has been happening for ? Years. A long time. I wonder how many recipients carried the card before. Just playing devils advocate here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me it's a simple matter. The body is merely a vessel, organic compounds like any other. Who should care what happens to the bottle once the wine has been d*unk? The soul, the important part, is already gone. Does it really matter if there are a few other bits missing too?

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Opt out.

Anyone is welcome to anything of mine when I'm dead. I won't need it, soneone else does - simple

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"For me it's a simple matter. The body is merely a vessel, organic compounds like any other. Who should care what happens to the bottle once the wine has been d*unk? The soul, the important part, is already gone. Does it really matter if there are a few other bits missing too?"

That's a great way of putting it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out, I've said it for years x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For me it's a simple matter. The body is merely a vessel, organic compounds like any other. Who should care what happens to the bottle once the wine has been d*unk? The soul, the important part, is already gone. Does it really matter if there are a few other bits missing too?

That's a great way of putting it"

I like to think so and i try to keep things simple. And just like the wine bottle isn't the onus these days on recycling?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


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I also do think that at times the medical staff may choose to save the many over the one. ( it is actually used as a moral consequence question at times.. ) if a doctor could save 5 people by letting 1 die should they... it worries me . "

Seems pretty unlikely to me.

Firstly, Doctors take the hippocratic oath - first do no harm - and the vast majority believe in that and stick to it. The duty is to the patient, not anyone else.

Secondly, any doctor deciding to go rogue and deliberately let a patient die in order to get organs for other patients would be commiting a crime that could see them in jail.

Any doctor willing to ignore both these factors would be extremely dangerous in general, and wouldn't need a new opt out rule in order to do harm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The crux of this dilemma is how individuals deal with grief. The option is exercised according to one's personal conflicts between self preservation and altruism. Logic and rational conclusion advocates opting out, but this is overrided by the instinct to preserve physiological security and the preservation of self, ultimately crushing the forces of altruism.

The irony is, that it is the unforeseen bolster of soul that transpires from altruistic rigour, that heals the scars of grief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given that next of kin need to consent before any organ harvesting g can take place and that they have the legal power to over ride the next of kins wishes it's a moot point whether you opt in or out

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

I would always say it should be opt in. Despite my own opinion that they can use what they like of me when i pop my clogs.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

Opt out

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville


"Given that next of kin need to consent before any organ harvesting g can take place and that they have the legal power to over ride the next of kins wishes it's a moot point whether you opt in or out"

I have to say if I was next of kin to someone who was adamant that they wanted to donate, I would respect their wishes. My situation was different, he changed his mind and I agreed I'd have found it difficult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt in but doesn't matter to me either way I've opted to donate everything I have well everything they can use when it's my time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm all for the opt out....but the big issue i think folks worry about is that if it's opt out and your really ill ie terminal and a match for someone with money will.your care suffer...that's all that worries me but hey if I'm. Dead don't worry what they do...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Already a donor xx

Miss Cov xx

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Opt in should be a conscious decision to decide in a positive way.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"It should be Opt out. I agree with the above about not allowing relatives to overrule your wishes."

I didn't know they could!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it should be opt out. I've made my wishes known to my nearest and dearest, opted in years ago, and I'd be really annoyed if they chose to override my wishes when the time comes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should only be able to take what is needed and not be allowed to sell organs to private buyers.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"They should only be able to take what is needed and not be allowed to sell organs to private buyers. "

Do they?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The crux of this dilemma is how individuals deal with grief. The option is exercised according to one's personal conflicts between self preservation and altruism. Logic and rational conclusion advocates opting out, but this is overrided by the instinct to preserve physiological security and the preservation of self, ultimately crushing the forces of altruism.

The irony is, that it is the unforeseen bolster of soul that transpires from altruistic rigour, that heals the scars of grief. "

Correction : " preserve psychological security "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm opt out. If my nearest and dearest decide to opt me in and go against my wishes they'll find local charities inherit my estate.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body."

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

It is a long overdue change that is definitely needed... I can fully appreciate the horror at the thought of a love one being cut up, within hours of losing them too.. I'm sure for people that have been through this situation it doesn't bear comprehension.

However, when a person has expressed the wish to donate and their wish is overturned by a grieving relative, that is wrong... I'm sure they didnt bat an eyelid when it came to the deceased decision to be cremated rather than buried.. burning seems a little more extreme than removing a kidney or liver..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things? "

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"I'm opt out. If my nearest and dearest decide to opt me in and go against my wishes they'll find local charities inherit my estate."

Does that mean that should the need arise you would choose to die rather than receive a donor organ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it should be opt out. I've made my wishes known to my nearest and dearest, opted in years ago, and I'd be really annoyed if they chose to override my wishes when the time comes. "

The issue is harvesting is pretty unpleasant. Most people don't qualify, you need to be brain dead but being kept alive by a ventulater. Then you are taking to theatre. You dont get the "died peacefully surrounded by their family and friends" which most people want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No brainier really. To me it seems like the most selfish act you could ever do in that you would rather your organs rot and decay in earth (or burn them) rather than give hope to someone living.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families. "

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex! "

This creates a merit system. I think it's better to let the medical professionals decide who gets what not the donor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it should be opt out. I've made my wishes known to my nearest and dearest, opted in years ago, and I'd be really annoyed if they chose to override my wishes when the time comes.

The issue is harvesting is pretty unpleasant. Most people don't qualify, you need to be brain dead but being kept alive by a ventulater. Then you are taking to theatre. You dont get the "died peacefully surrounded by their family and friends" which most people want"

I don't want my children or grandchildren standing around my bed waiting for me to die.

I don't know how I will die, but if it's of old age or illness the organs wouldn't be of much use anyway, would they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex! "

Smokers, drinkers and people who abuse their bodies make that choice themselves, one could say that they are playing god with their body?

To have a god complex one has to believe in God! I for one do not so therefore it should be my choice who receives my organs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex!

Smokers, drinkers and people who abuse their bodies make that choice themselves, one could say that they are playing god with their body?

To have a god complex one has to believe in God! I for one do not so therefore it should be my choice who receives my organs? "

You don't need to believe in god to have a god complex...

I'd rather have a Doctor making a decision on where my organs are used than a tick box Tessa playing "organ x-factor" to see who gets a kidney.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex!

Smokers, drinkers and people who abuse their bodies make that choice themselves, one could say that they are playing god with their body?

To have a god complex one has to believe in God! I for one do not so therefore it should be my choice who receives my organs?

You don't need to believe in god to have a god complex...

I'd rather have a Doctor making a decision on where my organs are used than a tick box Tessa playing "organ x-factor" to see who gets a kidney.

"

You'd let a doctor play god but not the owner of the organs? Okay!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex!

Smokers, drinkers and people who abuse their bodies make that choice themselves, one could say that they are playing god with their body?

To have a god complex one has to believe in God! I for one do not so therefore it should be my choice who receives my organs?

You don't need to believe in god to have a god complex...

I'd rather have a Doctor making a decision on where my organs are used than a tick box Tessa playing "organ x-factor" to see who gets a kidney.

You'd let a doctor play god but not the owner of the organs? Okay! "

Sigh. Doctors use a ridiculously long criteria for suitability for organ replacement. Based on likelihood of success etc. That's not playing god. But there criteria would be slightly more thorough and based on sound medical evidence than yours x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex!

Smokers, drinkers and people who abuse their bodies make that choice themselves, one could say that they are playing god with their body?

To have a god complex one has to believe in God! I for one do not so therefore it should be my choice who receives my organs?

You don't need to believe in god to have a god complex...

I'd rather have a Doctor making a decision on where my organs are used than a tick box Tessa playing "organ x-factor" to see who gets a kidney.

You'd let a doctor play god but not the owner of the organs? Okay!

Sigh. Doctors use a ridiculously long criteria for suitability for organ replacement. Based on likelihood of success etc. That's not playing god. But there criteria would be slightly more thorough and based on sound medical evidence than yours x"

We choose what we do with our bodies when we are alive, why not after death?

Doctors make mistakes too!!! Quite a lot if the truth be known.

Ask someone who has been on the receiving end of medical negligence and let them tell you how much they trust the medical profession.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's about time we had the 'opt out' law here. We must also stop relatives being able to override the wishes of the deceased."

On both counts.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I (Steve) used to be involved in arranging transport of organs and patients, for the transplant services and I've always believed that we should have an Opt-out system. The only thing that worries me is that cost will become the constraint not availability of organs. When I was involved it was always quiet at the end of the financial year because the hospitals had spent their budgets

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Opt out and anyone who chooses opt in should forego the right to a transplant if they should ever need one."

What if they choose opt in, and have opted in?

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville


"I think it should be opt out. I've made my wishes known to my nearest and dearest, opted in years ago, and I'd be really annoyed if they chose to override my wishes when the time comes.

The issue is harvesting is pretty unpleasant. Most people don't qualify, you need to be brain dead but being kept alive by a ventulater. Then you are taking to theatre. You dont get the "died peacefully surrounded by their family and friends" which most people want"

Thank you, I learnt something I didn't know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Opt out and anyone who chooses opt in should forego the right to a transplant if they should ever need one.

What if they choose opt in, and have opted in?"

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

Opt out.

Reduce, re-use, recycle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had a donor card for years so I'm in the opt out side of the debate.

But as no one wants my organs while I'm alive I'm not sure there will be a queue when I'm gone either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's about time we had the 'opt out' law here. We must also stop relatives being able to override the wishes of the deceased."

This. My option to donate should be respected, just like my will.

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire


"My reason for opting out is after watching a close friend fall apart after her son was an organ donor. Losing him was bad enough but she was made to feel she was a nasty person if she didn't let them cut her child up..

She also is still convinced that they didn't try hard enough to save him because he was an organ donor. He had been in a car açcident...

She killed herself 5 years later.. so my reason for opting out is seeing the tramua it caused.

I also do think that at times the medical staff may choose to save the many over the one. ( it is actually used as a moral consequence question at times.. ) if a doctor could save 5 people by letting 1 die should they... it worries me . "

Do you think though that with an opt out system it could take away some of the pain and distress?

I'm sure no doctor wants to raise the subject at such a time just as the families don't want to hear it or have to try to to think rationally about it.

In regards to did the hospital try hard enough clearly the changes on law need to be precise on what quantifies enough and at what point it isn't beneficial.

But on the whole surely an opt out is better.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

I wouldn't donate my organs.

I have this picture of me being on life support and them telling my parents that they have to move now to save the organs instead of just giving me more of a chance.

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Opt in for me,,,,my family know my selfish wishes of not wanting to donate my organs, my body, my choice and yes know that`s very selfish of me, and would be happy if cos I want to opt in that I would`nt be allowed to have donated organs ,,,,,,

I donated blood for a long time, but because of new guidelines within the blood service i`m no longer allowed to donate my O negative blood, and feel bad about it cos blood service is crying out for O neg,,,,,,"

But in which case with you having strong feelings you would be sure to opt out should the changes come in .

Part if the problem is apathy

A lot of people say yes they would donate yet don't take the time to compete the information

An opt out would be easier as those who hold such strong beliefs against organ donation would certainly do what they needed to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

before i had my children i used to think that when your times up thats it - all this keeping people going for longer etc used to make me cross for some reason - then i had kids and all that went out of the window - id give my last breath if it would save them and no way could i accept without being prepared to give - so now im on the register - if i chose to opt in i would be happy to not receive an organ myself but now lean to the opt out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't donate my organs.

I have this picture of me being on life support and them telling my parents that they have to move now to save the organs instead of just giving me more of a chance."

They test that you are brain dead. Then do the same test again several hours later. At that point, trust me you stand no chance

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire


"I wouldn't donate my organs.

I have this picture of me being on life support and them telling my parents that they have to move now to save the organs instead of just giving me more of a chance."

More if a chance at what though...

If you were on life support for something that can change that us different from being on life support and brain dead...

I don't believe the medical profession would just stop trying .. after all they take an oath to do as much as they can

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Devils advocate here.

I would be on the donor register if they could guarantee me that my organs wouldn't go to someone who had deliberately abused the ones they were born with!!!

I don't want my liver to go to someone who had been an alcoholic, my lungs to a smoker, my kidneys or eyes to some overweight person who became diabetic due to poor diet and abusing their own body.

Interesting. Question though. Define smoker , drinker etc.

Is a smoker someone who smoked when they were young and gave up? A social smoker ? A tried it once and didn't like it? Or a die hard smoked every day they could? Same theory applies to the other things?

Someone who chose to smoke regularly over time. Even if they gave up, they still chose to start smoking knowing the consiquences. Also applies to "social smokers".

My dad gave up smoking 30 years prior to passing away from a smoking related cancer.

Same applies to drinkers. Those that drink a couple of glasses of wine at night, weekend binge drinkers to hardened alcoholics.

If you needed an organ because you did any of those, I wouldn't want my organs to go to them or that of my families.

That will teach them. Let them die. Wtf! I understand the arguement regarding health resources and cost going to smokers etc. But to be able to pick and choose who lives! That's a major playing god complex!

Smokers, drinkers and people who abuse their bodies make that choice themselves, one could say that they are playing god with their body?

To have a god complex one has to believe in God! I for one do not so therefore it should be my choice who receives my organs? "

Probably just easier if you opted out (if the changes come in)

I understand your thought process but I doubt your find many people fitting such a high level on the transplant list.

It'd be pointless for an organ to be placed with someone if their past lifestyle meant the changes of success were so low.

As said before they are jumping through many hoops just to get on the list.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opt out.

I've carried a card since I was 16. I've discussed it with my family, my children, my friends.

I know people who are alive today because of the sacrifice of other families: organ donation saves lives, it's a beautiful thing a donor family can do during tragic circumstances that may help give purpose and meaning to a life cut short.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"More if a chance at what though...

If you were on life support for something that can change that us different from being on life support and brain dead...

I don't believe the medical profession would just stop trying .. after all they take an oath to do as much as they can

"

I'm in Ireland not UK, and they tried to walk my grandad out of A&E after having a stroke with half his body paralyzed. When he finally got on the stroke unit through us refusing to let him be discharged and sitting with him non stop 24 hours a day for 3 days, the stroke unit doctors told us he would have died if he want home.

So no, I wouldn't trust the medical profession here at all. If I am life support I want someone in the hospital screaming at them not to turn it off, not them putting pressure to turn it off to save the organs cause i cant be saved.

That's just my personal experience with them.

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By *ikerdude2017Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

It should be automatic and you have to opt out. So many people dying due to lack of organs. You dont need them when your dead

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"

They test that you are brain dead. Then do the same test again several hours later. At that point, trust me you stand no chance"

Say that to the guy who had 4 different doctors diagnose them as brain dead, then fully recover cause their parents wouldn't give up.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

The problem with opt in is that even though you opt-in, are on the register, carry a card etc. the hospital still can't take your organs without permission from your next of kin.

Change that and there may be no need for an opt out system.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"

They test that you are brain dead. Then do the same test again several hours later. At that point, trust me you stand no chance

Say that to the guy who had 4 different doctors diagnose them as brain dead, then fully recover cause their parents wouldn't give up."

Which guy?

Saying things like that really isn't helpful.

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Anyone who wants to ,erm ,donate their organ to me form an

orderly queue to the left x

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Bontempis got to top of queue obs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They test that you are brain dead. Then do the same test again several hours later. At that point, trust me you stand no chance

Say that to the guy who had 4 different doctors diagnose them as brain dead, then fully recover cause their parents wouldn't give up."

Do you have a link to that story? I'd be interested to know more as it goes against so much of the medical science I've learned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They test that you are brain dead. Then do the same test again several hours later. At that point, trust me you stand no chance

Say that to the guy who had 4 different doctors diagnose them as brain dead, then fully recover cause their parents wouldn't give up."

Donald Trump?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think opt out so that you consciously have to make a decision to not want to donate.

It's a really controversial topic and one that has been close to me. As a young person I decided to donate blood and carried the donor card for many years. My late husband also carried the card. But when it came close to his end of life it became all too upsetting. I honestly couldn't bear to think about him being cut up after everything he'd been through. I know that's a very conflicting reaction, but life presents us with these dilemmas and that's how I felt at the time. Yes I know that's very selfish and I can only aspire to be like the people that do otherwise and help save others lives.

To clarify my late husband also changed his mind on donation too. It's a much easier subject to express an opinion about when you can make a calculated emotionless decision, as I see from some other comments. Not always as easy as we might like to think.

I'm sure we all understand your grief but doesn't organ donation mean that at least some good comes from such tragedy?

No, your question shows you don't understand......"

Very few of us will understand. But I can imagine. ((((Hug))))

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

so do you think it should be "opt in".... or "Opt out"?"

Personally... I don't think there should be a choice. Saving people's lives should always come before people's feelings.

Cal

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By *ooby birdWoman
over a year ago

North West

If they can use it, they can have it. Opt out for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given that next of kin need to consent before any organ harvesting g can take place and that they have the legal power to over ride the next of kins wishes it's a moot point whether you opt in or out"

Is that true? So if my parents decided to overrule my decision to be a donor they could?

Blimey, that's useless that is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely opt out been on the donor list for years there no good to me when I’m in a box underground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't have anyone that would care about my body when i die. I'm not able to give blood; of like to give my organs. If they're any good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given that next of kin need to consent before any organ harvesting g can take place and that they have the legal power to over ride the next of kins wishes it's a moot point whether you opt in or out

Is that true? So if my parents decided to overrule my decision to be a donor they could?

Blimey, that's useless that is! "

It;s why it is really important to make sure people know your wishes. Family's don't not consent out of spite they do it because they aren't sure what the dying person wants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given that next of kin need to consent before any organ harvesting g can take place and that they have the legal power to over ride the next of kins wishes it's a moot point whether you opt in or out

Is that true? So if my parents decided to overrule my decision to be a donor they could?

Blimey, that's useless that is!

It;s why it is really important to make sure people know your wishes. Family's don't not consent out of spite they do it because they aren't sure what the dying person wants."

Well thank you for bringing that to our attention! That should be shouted about more.

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