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"As to not derail the respectful thread we can argue over what happened here. Inside job or not? I've seen the conspiracy documentaries and if an ounce of that is true it's absolutely heartbreaking. It already is though. " Loose change documentary puts up a convincing theory  | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret " Correct. Politicians can't even keep their affairs a secret, let alone a monumental plot involving thousands of people, across several countries. That said, I suspect elements of the Saudi government knew all about it. | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret " Which is precisely why government loves them, allows some leaked secrets to be dismissed as such. | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret " . A serious question, do you actually think any corporate media outlet would publish anything that pointed to it being remotely connected to government?. I'm not saying it was or wasn't, I'm actually asking you to imagine it was, imagine your the journalist who's got the smoking gun evidence.. do you think the corporate media would report it?, do you honestly think your boss would pay to chase the story, do you think the TV news producer would run a story of that magnitude and likely to cause possible societal breakdown?. . Then ask yourself why none of them broke the story about the banks going tits when the reality is many many people in the media knew exactly what was happening a year before it went tits, they knew about the government collision in it, they knew about the illegality in it, they knew about the "elites" that took out long before the crash came... Yet nobody said nothing until it became obvious and was already public knowledge through Chinese whispers via long queues | |||
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"Is it not already clear as day? The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave on the other side of the planet sent men with boxcutters to take over 4 planes. Two planes crashed into the top of two buildings but caused 3 steel buildings to fall amidst deafening explosions throughout the entire building exploding down the building faster than the actual building was falling, pulverising concrete into dust and melting steel beams creating a pyroclastic energy heatwave of Ash. Luckily, the extremely hot inferno that incinerated bodies and furniture and weakened steel at the top didn't destroy the hijacker's passport which fell safely onto the sidewalk below. Luckily, the leaseholder of the towers took out insurance in case of an act of terrorism a couple of months before the attack and it's a good thing he got awarded 7 billion in claims. The attack left him so traumatised that he misspoke on television saying that they imploded the third building themselves, poor guy. Those naughty terrorists even flew one of those big 747s with a wingspan of 196 feet into the pentagon by performing an impossible manoeuvre and leaving only a 16 foot diameter hole in the wall with no debris, engines, passengers, luggage, etc. They are goddamned seasoned pros I tell ya. They know exactly how to make a plane crash look like the impact of a small missile from a drone. Would you believe those bastards even planted a drone engine at the site to cover up their 747 crash! Shocking! We MUST find that caveman! The last plane unfortunately went down out in the wild and disintegrated leaving particles over a debris field stretching for miles. Those naughty terrorist even know exactly how to make it look like it was shot down by a missile. That damn caveman is a genius I tell ya. Good thing we killed him and disposed of his body in accordance with his beliefs, dumped in the ocean where all moslims go to dispose of their dead. Tied up the loose ends by finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bringing freedom and democracy to their one million souls lower population in the form of the Democratic Republic of ISIS. Mission accomplished, we're safer, we're free. Murica! Land of the fee, home of the depraved! " This. | |||
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"Is it not already clear as day? The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave on the other side of the planet sent men with boxcutters to take over 4 planes. Two planes crashed into the top of two buildings but caused 3 steel buildings to fall amidst deafening explosions throughout the entire building exploding down the building faster than the actual building was falling, pulverising concrete into dust and melting steel beams creating a pyroclastic energy heatwave of Ash. Luckily, the extremely hot inferno that incinerated bodies and furniture and weakened steel at the top didn't destroy the hijacker's passport which fell safely onto the sidewalk below. Luckily, the leaseholder of the towers took out insurance in case of an act of terrorism a couple of months before the attack and it's a good thing he got awarded 7 billion in claims. The attack left him so traumatised that he misspoke on television saying that they imploded the third building themselves, poor guy. Those naughty terrorists even flew one of those big 747s with a wingspan of 196 feet into the pentagon by performing an impossible manoeuvre and leaving only a 16 foot diameter hole in the wall with no debris, engines, passengers, luggage, etc. They are goddamned seasoned pros I tell ya. They know exactly how to make a plane crash look like the impact of a small missile from a drone. Would you believe those bastards even planted a drone engine at the site to cover up their 747 crash! Shocking! We MUST find that caveman! The last plane unfortunately went down out in the wild and disintegrated leaving particles over a debris field stretching for miles. Those naughty terrorist even know exactly how to make it look like it was shot down by a missile. That damn caveman is a genius I tell ya. Good thing we killed him and disposed of his body in accordance with his beliefs, dumped in the ocean where all moslims go to dispose of their dead. Tied up the loose ends by finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bringing freedom and democracy to their one million souls lower population in the form of the Democratic Republic of ISIS. Mission accomplished, we're safer, we're free. Murica! Land of the fee, home of the depraved! " Very well put, snd those clever cavemen even planted thermine charges all over the building in secret, no wonder people were complaining of black dust in their offices in the weeks prior to the attack. Plain workvans were noted to have been entering the buildings at night and leaving early hours in the weeks prior to the attack. All credible expert have said the fall was a controlled demolition, there simply is no other explanation. Even Trump said it at the time. | |||
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"Is it not already clear as day? The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave on the other side of the planet sent men with boxcutters to take over 4 planes. Two planes crashed into the top of two buildings but caused 3 steel buildings to fall amidst deafening explosions throughout the entire building exploding down the building faster than the actual building was falling, pulverising concrete into dust and melting steel beams creating a pyroclastic energy heatwave of Ash. Luckily, the extremely hot inferno that incinerated bodies and furniture and weakened steel at the top didn't destroy the hijacker's passport which fell safely onto the sidewalk below. Luckily, the leaseholder of the towers took out insurance in case of an act of terrorism a couple of months before the attack and it's a good thing he got awarded 7 billion in claims. The attack left him so traumatised that he misspoke on television saying that they imploded the third building themselves, poor guy. Those naughty terrorists even flew one of those big 747s with a wingspan of 196 feet into the pentagon by performing an impossible manoeuvre and leaving only a 16 foot diameter hole in the wall with no debris, engines, passengers, luggage, etc. They are goddamned seasoned pros I tell ya. They know exactly how to make a plane crash look like the impact of a small missile from a drone. Would you believe those bastards even planted a drone engine at the site to cover up their 747 crash! Shocking! We MUST find that caveman! The last plane unfortunately went down out in the wild and disintegrated leaving particles over a debris field stretching for miles. Those naughty terrorist even know exactly how to make it look like it was shot down by a missile. That damn caveman is a genius I tell ya. Good thing we killed him and disposed of his body in accordance with his beliefs, dumped in the ocean where all moslims go to dispose of their dead. Tied up the loose ends by finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bringing freedom and democracy to their one million souls lower population in the form of the Democratic Republic of ISIS. Mission accomplished, we're safer, we're free. Murica! Land of the fee, home of the depraved! " That's how I see it. It's great having this conversation with older people. They look offended when you go through the facts listed. Biggest inside job ever if you ask me. You forgot to mention the air force being on exercise miles and miles away. I don't want to believe it either and would like to sit on the fence | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret " Riight, because they did such a great job keeping it all a secret! Mnkay 
People who believe the official conspiracy theory put far too much faith in the desire of the guilty to hide anything from people who are too gullible to ever question their official conspiracy theory. It was not "the government" by the way, it is the military industrial complex and central bank cabal. "The government" is a conveniently absurd mammoth label for a far less thickly spread, conglomerate of interests.
People who believe the official conspiracy theory put far too much faith in a foreign caveman's ability to secretly plant explosives in 3 buildings or knock them down with fire. "A la peanut butter sandwiches!"
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"Is it not already clear as day? The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave on the other side of the planet sent men with boxcutters to take over 4 planes. Two planes crashed into the top of two buildings but caused 3 steel buildings to fall amidst deafening explosions throughout the entire building exploding down the building faster than the actual building was falling, pulverising concrete into dust and melting steel beams creating a pyroclastic energy heatwave of Ash. Luckily, the extremely hot inferno that incinerated bodies and furniture and weakened steel at the top didn't destroy the hijacker's passport which fell safely onto the sidewalk below. Luckily, the leaseholder of the towers took out insurance in case of an act of terrorism a couple of months before the attack and it's a good thing he got awarded 7 billion in claims. The attack left him so traumatised that he misspoke on television saying that they imploded the third building themselves, poor guy. Those naughty terrorists even flew one of those big 747s with a wingspan of 196 feet into the pentagon by performing an impossible manoeuvre and leaving only a 16 foot diameter hole in the wall with no debris, engines, passengers, luggage, etc. They are goddamned seasoned pros I tell ya. They know exactly how to make a plane crash look like the impact of a small missile from a drone. Would you believe those bastards even planted a drone engine at the site to cover up their 747 crash! Shocking! We MUST find that caveman! The last plane unfortunately went down out in the wild and disintegrated leaving particles over a debris field stretching for miles. Those naughty terrorist even know exactly how to make it look like it was shot down by a missile. That damn caveman is a genius I tell ya. Good thing we killed him and disposed of his body in accordance with his beliefs, dumped in the ocean where all moslims go to dispose of their dead. Tied up the loose ends by finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bringing freedom and democracy to their one million souls lower population in the form of the Democratic Republic of ISIS. Mission accomplished, we're safer, we're free. Murica! Land of the fee, home of the depraved! " Its total and utter contempt for the whole world isn't it. So many holes in the story it's unbelievable. I think that the severity of the atrocity is the only thing that's somehow stopped people from looking at the truth when it's right in front of them. | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. " I'll let your water touch my liquid aluminium....  [Focus.. focus].. Ehem ignore that. Yes, you are correct and to my recollection it was caused by the water bottles that were onboard the flight and survived with the hijacker's passport. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset " Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! | |||
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" For every tinpot nutters theory there's a counter argument which is always conveniently brushed aside. Please, just get on with changing the world and contributing instead of assuming such rubbish." Do you support the caveman theory? | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! " So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. | |||
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" For every tinpot nutters theory there's a counter argument which is always conveniently brushed aside. Please, just get on with changing the world and contributing instead of assuming such rubbish. Do you support the caveman theory? " Most terrorism is about ideology, not some central figure directing troops from the evil towers. Recent events have shown that lone cells can create havoc with very little effort. Frankly I find such theories rather insulting to those that work in the security services of all countries. Stick to the TV ...real life operations are generally far blander most of the time hence these stories. | |||
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" For every tinpot nutters theory there's a counter argument which is always conveniently brushed aside. Please, just get on with changing the world and contributing instead of assuming such rubbish. Do you support the caveman theory? Most terrorism is about ideology, not some central figure directing troops from the evil towers. Recent events have shown that lone cells can create havoc with very little effort. Frankly I find such theories rather insulting to those that work in the security services of all countries. Stick to the TV ...real life operations are generally far blander most of the time hence these stories." What amazes me is the idea that the US government was so cunning that it could fool all the experts yet it's actions can be seen through by randoms on a swinging site. But then I suppose the experts are in on the conspiracy. | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. I'll let your water touch my liquid aluminium.... [Focus.. focus].. Ehem ignore that. Yes, you are correct and to my recollection it was caused by the water bottles that were onboard the flight and survived with the hijacker's passport. "See now I assumed it was the sprinklers in the building hence why there were explosive charges heard and how the building collapsed in on itself the same way a controlled explosive works. The liquid aluminium would have to reach a certain temperature (obviously to become liquid) the burning fuel and the papers from the offices melted the aluminium in both planes, bits of it dripped through the floors and down the sides of the buildings and it only takes a tiny bit with water to make the explosions. Passengers on board united 93 made phone calls to people and were told about the other planes and there were conversations exchanged. I believe there were terrorists on board the planes and it was a terrorist act. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. " "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
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"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job. | |||
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"Is it not already clear as day? The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave on the other side of the planet sent men with boxcutters to take over 4 planes. Two planes crashed into the top of two buildings but caused 3 steel buildings to fall amidst deafening explosions throughout the entire building exploding down the building faster than the actual building was falling, pulverising concrete into dust and melting steel beams creating a pyroclastic energy heatwave of Ash. Luckily, the extremely hot inferno that incinerated bodies and furniture and weakened steel at the top didn't destroy the hijacker's passport which fell safely onto the sidewalk below. Luckily, the leaseholder of the towers took out insurance in case of an act of terrorism a couple of months before the attack and it's a good thing he got awarded 7 billion in claims. The attack left him so traumatised that he misspoke on television saying that they imploded the third building themselves, poor guy. Those naughty terrorists even flew one of those big 747s with a wingspan of 196 feet into the pentagon by performing an impossible manoeuvre and leaving only a 16 foot diameter hole in the wall with no debris, engines, passengers, luggage, etc. They are goddamned seasoned pros I tell ya. They know exactly how to make a plane crash look like the impact of a small missile from a drone. Would you believe those bastards even planted a drone engine at the site to cover up their 747 crash! Shocking! We MUST find that caveman! The last plane unfortunately went down out in the wild and disintegrated leaving particles over a debris field stretching for miles. Those naughty terrorist even know exactly how to make it look like it was shot down by a missile. That damn caveman is a genius I tell ya. Good thing we killed him and disposed of his body in accordance with his beliefs, dumped in the ocean where all moslims go to dispose of their dead. Tied up the loose ends by finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bringing freedom and democracy to their one million souls lower population in the form of the Democratic Republic of ISIS. Mission accomplished, we're safer, we're free. Murica! Land of the fee, home of the depraved! "
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"Well I'm still yet to see any building collapse from fire, far to many problems with the entire story to even begin to list, and don't even start me on wtc7. Rip those murdered" | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. " | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret " And the best way to get away with a conspiracy is to get it labelled as such as soon as possible, so people start posting things like this. I'm not a "There was no Moon landing or Holocaust" kinda gurl but I recall how we laughed and passed the tinfoil hats around when people said the secret services had a system in the 90s and 00s called Echelon, which was monitoring everybody's email. Then Edward Snowdon came out and said it was actually worse and it wasn't just your email but your webcam and microphone, too. And how stupid did we all look then, eh? EH? But then some people don't believe Snowdon was telling the truth and it didn't happen, because conspiracies just don't. | |||
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"Is it not already clear as day? The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave on the other side of the planet sent men with boxcutters to take over 4 planes. Two planes crashed into the top of two buildings but caused 3 steel buildings to fall amidst deafening explosions throughout the entire building exploding down the building faster than the actual building was falling, pulverising concrete into dust and melting steel beams creating a pyroclastic energy heatwave of Ash. Luckily, the extremely hot inferno that incinerated bodies and furniture and weakened steel at the top didn't destroy the hijacker's passport which fell safely onto the sidewalk below. Luckily, the leaseholder of the towers took out insurance in case of an act of terrorism a couple of months before the attack and it's a good thing he got awarded 7 billion in claims. The attack left him so traumatised that he misspoke on television saying that they imploded the third building themselves, poor guy. Those naughty terrorists even flew one of those big 747s with a wingspan of 196 feet into the pentagon by performing an impossible manoeuvre and leaving only a 16 foot diameter hole in the wall with no debris, engines, passengers, luggage, etc. They are goddamned seasoned pros I tell ya. They know exactly how to make a plane crash look like the impact of a small missile from a drone. Would you believe those bastards even planted a drone engine at the site to cover up their 747 crash! Shocking! We MUST find that caveman! The last plane unfortunately went down out in the wild and disintegrated leaving particles over a debris field stretching for miles. Those naughty terrorist even know exactly how to make it look like it was shot down by a missile. That damn caveman is a genius I tell ya. Good thing we killed him and disposed of his body in accordance with his beliefs, dumped in the ocean where all moslims go to dispose of their dead. Tied up the loose ends by finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bringing freedom and democracy to their one million souls lower population in the form of the Democratic Republic of ISIS. Mission accomplished, we're safer, we're free. Murica! Land of the fee, home of the depraved! " Exactly this ... I don't know why they don't coat everything on the planet with the indestructible material they use only for 'terrorist' IDs | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret " you would be surprised.Google top ten conspiracy theorys that turned out to be true.from mind control to the excuse to go into Vietnam. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job. "You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated. You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother. | |||
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"As to not derail the respectful thread we can argue over what happened here. Inside job or not? I've seen the conspiracy documentaries and if an ounce of that is true it's absolutely heartbreaking. It already is though. " It is heartbreaking but conspiracy theories are exactly that - theories, nothing more. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother. "You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc? "Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce. "You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated." Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. I'll let your water touch my liquid aluminium.... [Focus.. focus].. Ehem ignore that. Yes, you are correct and to my recollection it was caused by the water bottles that were onboard the flight and survived with the hijacker's passport.
See now I assumed it was the sprinklers in the building hence why there were explosive charges heard and how the building collapsed in on itself the same way a controlled explosive works. The liquid aluminium would have to reach a certain temperature (obviously to become liquid) the burning fuel and the papers from the offices melted the aluminium in both planes, bits of it dripped through the floors and down the sides of the buildings and it only takes a tiny bit with water to make the explosions.
Passengers on board united 93 made phone calls to people and were told about the other planes and there were conversations exchanged. I believe there were terrorists on board the planes and it was a terrorist act. "Those phone calls are one of the smoking guns. In 2001 it was impossible to make calls from a flying plane. Millions has been spent on technology trying to allow this to happen. Why bother if we could do it anyway? That's before we get into the NIST report with it's free fall statements and complete omission of the laws of physics. Oh and yeah before we look into those pesky put options. I know it's nice to feel we shouldnt ask questions but I believe personally its disrespectful to the victims not to seek the truth. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA "The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment. You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison. So why didn't they do it. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
They didn't need to.
The billions of oil made is worth it for a apology for going into Iraq.
"They justified the attack on the basis that saddam had WMDs. The lack of said WMDs caused massive political damage. It's bleeding obvious that a government capable of 9/11 would have just planted missiles. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
They didn't need to.
The billions of oil made is worth it for a apology for going into Iraq.
They justified the attack on the basis that saddam had WMDs. The lack of said WMDs caused massive political damage.
It's bleeding obvious that a government capable of 9/11 would have just planted missiles. "Unless they found what they wanted and pretended they didn't! #alien weaponry Just saying To be serious. Watching the footage on TV it doesn't seem real anymore, although I'm pretty sure it seems very real to the families of the victims. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
"You're running from WTC using armchair psychology. Fine, I'll oblige your denial mechanisms.. "You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing loads of its own people." I see your problem! 1. It's not "the US Government", it's the military industrial complex. Stop using "the government" as some conveniently absurd mammoth label. The Government consists of a judicial branch, an executive branch, a senate, congress etc. No one believes the entire government was involved or "wholly evil enough", it's conveniently absurd. It's like saying, "You believe the United States was EVIL ENOUGH to attack a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and cause the deaths of over 1 million people from their own planet?" You neither need all Americans to be guilty nor all of The government to commit atrocities, you dig? As for evil, you have no problem believing "those evil moslems over there" did it, do you? You have no problem believing the Iraqi government was "evil enough" to attack and remove, DO YOU? Talk about delusions and egocentric superiority complexes and schizoid projections. They're capable 6 of all evil, we're angelic demi-gods and captains save the planet. Riiiiiight mnkay 
"The US had control of Iraq after the invasion." You mean when bush told us all operations had ended, right before the insurgency? You're having a laugh. You mean they were supposed to plant evidence under the trained and focused eye of the WORLD now WATCHING them like hawks as the WORLD was there investigating (not just the US, remember?)
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" The Pentagon...24 hour cctv and a hole impact... Researched and the pentagon was having new wiring done...great big huge spool on the lawn... Look at the hole, think plane, look at spool, think plane...why was it still stood when the plane would of destroyed it?? Also the CCTV stream released....you know the one where if you squint you can see a white blur....work out a single frame taken every second and then work out how fast it was traveling for it to be a blur, faster than an aeroplane. " Can you clarify, were the hundreds of military staff in the Pentagon in on the conspiracy, or were they also duped into believing an airliner had hit the building they were stood in? Thanks. | |||
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" The Pentagon...24 hour cctv and a hole impact... Researched and the pentagon was having new wiring done...great big huge spool on the lawn... Look at the hole, think plane, look at spool, think plane...why was it still stood when the plane would of destroyed it?? Also the CCTV stream released....you know the one where if you squint you can see a white blur....work out a single frame taken every second and then work out how fast it was traveling for it to be a blur, faster than an aeroplane. Can you clarify, were the hundreds of military staff in the Pentagon in on the conspiracy, or were they also duped into believing an airliner had hit the building they were stood in? Thanks." Are we including the ones who testified that they could smell cordite in the immediate aftermath of the blast? | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
You're running from WTC using armchair psychology. Fine, I'll oblige your denial mechanisms..
"You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing loads of its own people."
I see your problem!
1. It's not "the US Government", it's the military industrial complex. Stop using "the government" as some conveniently absurd mammoth label. The Government consists of a judicial branch, an executive branch, a senate, congress etc. No one believes the entire government was involved or "wholly evil enough", it's conveniently absurd.
It's like saying, "You believe the United States was EVIL ENOUGH to attack a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and cause the deaths of over 1 million people from their own planet?" You neither need all Americans to be guilty nor all of The government to commit atrocities, you dig? As for evil, you have no problem believing "those evil moslems over there" did it, do you? You have no problem believing the Iraqi government was "evil enough" to attack and remove, DO YOU? Talk about delusions and egocentric superiority complexes and schizoid projections. They're capable 6 of all evil, we're angelic demi-gods and captains save the planet. Riiiiiight mnkay
"The US had control of Iraq after the invasion." You mean when bush told us all operations had ended, right before the insurgency? You're having a laugh. You mean they were supposed to plant evidence under the trained and focused eye of the WORLD now WATCHING them like hawks as the WORLD was there investigating (not just the US, remember?)
I'll have some of what you're popping dear lol I need that kind of escape from REALITY xx "So the military industrial complex can set up a sophisticated operation involving thousands of people without worrying any might blow the gaff, yet can't carry out a much simpler operation because the "eyes of the world are on it". I give up. | |||
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" The Pentagon...24 hour cctv and a hole impact... Researched and the pentagon was having new wiring done...great big huge spool on the lawn... Look at the hole, think plane, look at spool, think plane...why was it still stood when the plane would of destroyed it?? Also the CCTV stream released....you know the one where if you squint you can see a white blur....work out a single frame taken every second and then work out how fast it was traveling for it to be a blur, faster than an aeroplane. Can you clarify, were the hundreds of military staff in the Pentagon in on the conspiracy, or were they also duped into believing an airliner had hit the building they were stood in? Thanks. Are we including the ones who testified that they could smell cordite in the immediate aftermath of the blast? " If you like, yes. Were hundreds of Pentagon military staff tricked, or were they all in on it? | |||
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"Also, never underestimate the intoxicating effects of HUBRIS. The criminals were emboldened and enabled by those who believed their conspiracy theory of 911 effectively letting them get away with it, and they were also cautious not to leave evidence of tampering. Besides they absolutely could not do that since other nations were there with inspectors etc. Remember, they very quickly changed it to "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and the narrative became that Saddam had gassed the Kurds and oppressed his people, mass graves etc. Why would you risk planting evidence when you have full control over the narrative and plenty of gullible sheep to gobble it up? " Yes, if only us sheep could see the truth like you. | |||
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" The Pentagon...24 hour cctv and a hole impact... Researched and the pentagon was having new wiring done...great big huge spool on the lawn... Look at the hole, think plane, look at spool, think plane...why was it still stood when the plane would of destroyed it?? Also the CCTV stream released....you know the one where if you squint you can see a white blur....work out a single frame taken every second and then work out how fast it was traveling for it to be a blur, faster than an aeroplane. Can you clarify, were the hundreds of military staff in the Pentagon in on the conspiracy, or were they also duped into believing an airliner had hit the building they were stood in? Thanks." All of the above plus many of them are also part of the truth movement. Sorry if that isn't fitting your black and white dichotomy between government and citizenry. You must remember that those exposing the truth are also in the government, military personnel, rescuers, law enforcement, investigators, experts etc. Quit making a false dichotomy between "the government" and the rest of us. It may be conveniently black and white to do that but it's not reality. People from the Pentagon, officials, congressmen and congresswomen, Senators and EVEN FORMER PRESIDENTS and even the CURRENT PRESIDENT have questioned and criticised and debunked and challenged and called for investigations and EXPOSED the truth. Lol stop acting like this thing had been kept airtight under the label of "the government". Who do you think the truth movement consists of? Sigh | |||
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" The Pentagon...24 hour cctv and a hole impact... Researched and the pentagon was having new wiring done...great big huge spool on the lawn... Look at the hole, think plane, look at spool, think plane...why was it still stood when the plane would of destroyed it?? Also the CCTV stream released....you know the one where if you squint you can see a white blur....work out a single frame taken every second and then work out how fast it was traveling for it to be a blur, faster than an aeroplane. Can you clarify, were the hundreds of military staff in the Pentagon in on the conspiracy, or were they also duped into believing an airliner had hit the building they were stood in? Thanks. All of the above plus many of them are also part of the truth movement. Sorry if that isn't fitting your black and white dichotomy between government and citizenry. You must remember that those exposing the truth are also in the government, military personnel, rescuers, law enforcement, investigators, experts etc. Quit making a false dichotomy between "the government" and the rest of us. It may be conveniently black and white to do that but it's not reality. People from the Pentagon, officials, congressmen and congresswomen, Senators and EVEN FORMER PRESIDENTS and even the CURRENT PRESIDENT have questioned and criticised and debunked and challenged and called for investigations and EXPOSED the truth. Lol stop acting like this thing had been kept airtight under the label of "the government". Who do you think the truth movement consists of? Sigh " I'm not trying to do anything convenient. A cover up doesn't suit me, why would it? How and why could hundreds of military staff on site be duped, or be briefed on the cover up? Neither makes sense. Also, why not just hijack another jet and actually crash it into the Pentagon, instead of this convoluted trick? | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
You're running from WTC using armchair psychology. Fine, I'll oblige your denial mechanisms..
"You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing loads of its own people."
I see your problem!
1. It's not "the US Government", it's the military industrial complex. Stop using "the government" as some conveniently absurd mammoth label. The Government consists of a judicial branch, an executive branch, a senate, congress etc. No one believes the entire government was involved or "wholly evil enough", it's conveniently absurd.
It's like saying, "You believe the United States was EVIL ENOUGH to attack a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and cause the deaths of over 1 million people from their own planet?" You neither need all Americans to be guilty nor all of The government to commit atrocities, you dig? As for evil, you have no problem believing "those evil moslems over there" did it, do you? You have no problem believing the Iraqi government was "evil enough" to attack and remove, DO YOU? Talk about delusions and egocentric superiority complexes and schizoid projections. They're capable 6 of all evil, we're angelic demi-gods and captains save the planet. Riiiiiight mnkay
"The US had control of Iraq after the invasion." You mean when bush told us all operations had ended, right before the insurgency? You're having a laugh. You mean they were supposed to plant evidence under the trained and focused eye of the WORLD now WATCHING them like hawks as the WORLD was there investigating (not just the US, remember?)
I'll have some of what you're popping dear lol I need that kind of escape from REALITY xx
So the military industrial complex can set up a sophisticated operation involving thousands of people without worrying any might blow the gaff, yet can't carry out a much simpler operation because the "eyes of the world are on it".
I give up. "Yeah because it's so much simpler to sneak nuclear and chemical weapons into a country, create a site for a factory where those weapons were being made, does evidence of importing necessary materials from outside sources, make all the evidence impossible to be traced back to the United States and do all of this while the United Nations and investigators are ON THE SCENE and hoping to catch you doing anything untoward. Do you have ANY idea what the UN and IAEA inspections are? I suspect you think dumping a couple of missiles does the trick? No, it doesn't. You have to show where it came from, how they were made, where they were made, from what, etc. With all due respect, I don't think you realise how very myopic you're exposing your thinking to be here. You cannot dump a missile in someones garage to prove that they're making missiles... HAHAHAHAHAHA YOU give up?? Yes please do. xx Love | |||
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"apart from the completely laughable 'theories', i still find it really insulting and completely disrespectful to the people that died and their families that people are still spouting this shit as if it's some sort of entertainment." Many people don't spout anything as entertainment. But rather genuinely questioning the official story. There are so many flaws in the official report that the truth has most certainly not been revealed. That is a huge injustice on the families and memories of the victims of that day. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! " Kevin Ryan ex NIST employee is very much still alive. Don't post false info to try and prove a point. It makes you look like an idiot. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
You're running from WTC using armchair psychology. Fine, I'll oblige your denial mechanisms..
"You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing loads of its own people."
I see your problem!
1. It's not "the US Government", it's the military industrial complex. Stop using "the government" as some conveniently absurd mammoth label. The Government consists of a judicial branch, an executive branch, a senate, congress etc. No one believes the entire government was involved or "wholly evil enough", it's conveniently absurd.
It's like saying, "You believe the United States was EVIL ENOUGH to attack a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and cause the deaths of over 1 million people from their own planet?" You neither need all Americans to be guilty nor all of The government to commit atrocities, you dig? As for evil, you have no problem believing "those evil moslems over there" did it, do you? You have no problem believing the Iraqi government was "evil enough" to attack and remove, DO YOU? Talk about delusions and egocentric superiority complexes and schizoid projections. They're capable 6 of all evil, we're angelic demi-gods and captains save the planet. Riiiiiight mnkay
"The US had control of Iraq after the invasion." You mean when bush told us all operations had ended, right before the insurgency? You're having a laugh. You mean they were supposed to plant evidence under the trained and focused eye of the WORLD now WATCHING them like hawks as the WORLD was there investigating (not just the US, remember?)
I'll have some of what you're popping dear lol I need that kind of escape from REALITY xx "Love that phrase "the world watching" Actually because as things were going on it was a war zone and only selected media could even get close to the troops and no where near the front line of things. Unless there was 1 camera per 1 soldier with 1 person watching 24/7 then the world was only watching what they were being told to look at. The media has been controlled by the governments for as long as possible. The media is the biggest propaganda machine ever... Now i can prove this. Hurricane irma, British virgn islands, all over the news, other islands all over the news..to the point you can search towns... Now find information about certain areas of Cuba, lives lost, damage done ect ect it is nowhere near as extensive as anywhere else. Research USA plans for invading Cuba from the 60s or operation Northwood | |||
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" The media has been controlled by the governments for as long as possible. The media is the biggest propaganda machine ever... Now i can prove this. Hurricane irma, British virgn islands, all over the news, other islands all over the news..to the point you can search towns... Now find information about certain areas of Cuba, lives lost, damage done ect ect it is nowhere near as extensive as anywhere else. Research USA plans for invading Cuba from the 60s or operation Northwood " I don't get what you mean. Are you saying the hurricane damage is exaggerated, or that there is not much damage in Cuba, but there will be after an imminent invasion? | |||
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"apart from the completely laughable 'theories', i still find it really insulting and completely disrespectful to the people that died and their families that people are still spouting this shit as if it's some sort of entertainment." So what about the families of the dead who say the government is lying and are part of the truth movement? http://www.choiceandtruth.com/2016/08/911-victims-family-members-survivors-say-government-is-lying-msm-silent.html And what about the millions of people who got murdered as a result of the wars based upon the "spouted shit" official conspiracy theory? You don't get to stand on the victims graves to silence people just because you fear what it means. I just love how official conspiracy theorists use emotion and attempts at shaming to avoid the physical evidence. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
You're running from WTC using armchair psychology. Fine, I'll oblige your denial mechanisms..
"You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing loads of its own people."
I see your problem!
1. It's not "the US Government", it's the military industrial complex. Stop using "the government" as some conveniently absurd mammoth label. The Government consists of a judicial branch, an executive branch, a senate, congress etc. No one believes the entire government was involved or "wholly evil enough", it's conveniently absurd.
It's like saying, "You believe the United States was EVIL ENOUGH to attack a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and cause the deaths of over 1 million people from their own planet?" You neither need all Americans to be guilty nor all of The government to commit atrocities, you dig? As for evil, you have no problem believing "those evil moslems over there" did it, do you? You have no problem believing the Iraqi government was "evil enough" to attack and remove, DO YOU? Talk about delusions and egocentric superiority complexes and schizoid projections. They're capable 6 of all evil, we're angelic demi-gods and captains save the planet. Riiiiiight mnkay
"The US had control of Iraq after the invasion." You mean when bush told us all operations had ended, right before the insurgency? You're having a laugh. You mean they were supposed to plant evidence under the trained and focused eye of the WORLD now WATCHING them like hawks as the WORLD was there investigating (not just the US, remember?)
I'll have some of what you're popping dear lol I need that kind of escape from REALITY xx
Love that phrase "the world watching"
Actually because as things were going on it was a war zone and only selected media could even get close to the troops and no where near the front line of things.
Unless there was 1 camera per 1 soldier with 1 person watching 24/7 then the world was only watching what they were being told to look at.
The media has been controlled by the governments for as long as possible. The media is the biggest propaganda machine ever... Now i can prove this. Hurricane irma, British virgn islands, all over the news, other islands all over the news..to the point you can search towns... Now find information about certain areas of Cuba, lives lost, damage done ect ect it is nowhere near as extensive as anywhere else.
Research USA plans for invading Cuba from the 60s or operation Northwood "No coverage Apart from the 4 page spread about the evacuation of Havana in the Miami herald today. And the coverage on CNN this morning..... | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset Think about unfortunately committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun or dying in an unfortunate accident or random attack by a "thug", oh so unfortunate. Think about the fact that the guilty exterminated 3000 souls without batting an eye but tell yourself that a whistleblower would be granted immunity and safety since conspirators just LOVE whistleblowers. Everyone involved not at a leading role has blown the whistle. Firefighters, law enforcement, people who worked in the building, the leaseholder himself, Former UL chemistry lab manager Kevin Ryan was fired after challenging his employer's role in NIST's WTC investigation, later killed. Many others have been KILLED, look it up. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is one of several government employees who was severely persecuted after blowing the whistle on 9/11. Whistleblower & activist Susan Lindauer a former CIA asset covering events that included 9/11, Libya, Iraq, check her story... Even the police follow the blue code of silence so imagine a group of powerful individuals who have no problem incinerating a few thousand souls and later over 1 million. Really though, asking for this sort of evidence is armchair psychology which is put definitely to rest by physical evidence and the laws of physics! So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat? Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job. "So have any of the truthers been bumped off if they are such a threat?" YES! DOZENS! Do the research people! xx
http://newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/
"Oh and why did this ruthless US Government not plant WMDs in Iraq in 2003. That would have been a much easier job."
Because it was easier to convince you that they were there because you believe whatever they tell you, just like it was easier to explain the destruction of the buildings by telling you it was a plane and fire, because cavemen just have that kinda luck and precision... That's a much easier job.
You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated.
You also haven't answered my question about WMDs. If the US Government was so ruthless and so efficient as to mastermind 9/11 why did they not just dump a load of missiles in Iraq and say they were saddams. Would have saved them a lot of bother.
You may not have noticed but Saddam was never in control of the WTC nor was it on Iraqi soil so I'm not seeing the applicability of your comparison. You do understand that "inside job" requires you to be an insider of the country, building etc?
"Dump a load of missiles in Iraq"????? Do you mean before or after they attack? You're not making any sense and using armchair psychology as the ear blockage to drown out physical evidence. Physics proves the official caveman conspiracy theory a farce.
"You lose all credibility when referring to the highjackers as "cavemen". Most were highly educated."
Riiight... Because" highly educated men" conspired together to use boxcutters to go kamikaze into a building and kill themselves for a less educated leader in a cave. Please excuse me for BWAHAHAHA AAAHAHAHAHA
The US had control of Iraq after the invasion. They searched for months for WMDs and then had to admit they weren't any. Much to their embarrassment.
You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing losds of its own people. Bringing over a few WMDs and planting them in Iraq post invasion would have been child's play by comparison.
So why didn't they do it.
You're running from WTC using armchair psychology. Fine, I'll oblige your denial mechanisms..
"You believe the US government was sophisticated and evil enough to carry out a complex logistical task involving killing loads of its own people."
I see your problem!
1. It's not "the US Government", it's the military industrial complex. Stop using "the government" as some conveniently absurd mammoth label. The Government consists of a judicial branch, an executive branch, a senate, congress etc. No one believes the entire government was involved or "wholly evil enough", it's conveniently absurd.
It's like saying, "You believe the United States was EVIL ENOUGH to attack a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and cause the deaths of over 1 million people from their own planet?" You neither need all Americans to be guilty nor all of The government to commit atrocities, you dig? As for evil, you have no problem believing "those evil moslems over there" did it, do you? You have no problem believing the Iraqi government was "evil enough" to attack and remove, DO YOU? Talk about delusions and egocentric superiority complexes and schizoid projections. They're capable 6 of all evil, we're angelic demi-gods and captains save the planet. Riiiiiight mnkay
"The US had control of Iraq after the invasion." You mean when bush told us all operations had ended, right before the insurgency? You're having a laugh. You mean they were supposed to plant evidence under the trained and focused eye of the WORLD now WATCHING them like hawks as the WORLD was there investigating (not just the US, remember?)
I'll have some of what you're popping dear lol I need that kind of escape from REALITY xx
Love that phrase "the world watching"
Actually because as things were going on it was a war zone and only selected media could even get close to the troops and no where near the front line of things.
Unless there was 1 camera per 1 soldier with 1 person watching 24/7 then the world was only watching what they were being told to look at.
The media has been controlled by the governments for as long as possible. The media is the biggest propaganda machine ever... Now i can prove this. Hurricane irma, British virgn islands, all over the news, other islands all over the news..to the point you can search towns... Now find information about certain areas of Cuba, lives lost, damage done ect ect it is nowhere near as extensive as anywhere else.
Research USA plans for invading Cuba from the 60s or operation Northwood
No coverage Apart from the 4 page spread about the evacuation of Havana in the Miami herald today. And the coverage on CNN this morning..... "and the massive coverage on Reuters web site. Making up facts to prove a point again, makes the tin foil hat brigade look daft | |||
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"apart from the completely laughable 'theories', i still find it really insulting and completely disrespectful to the people that died and their families that people are still spouting this shit as if it's some sort of entertainment. So what about the families of the dead who say the government is lying and are part of the truth movement? http://www.choiceandtruth.com/2016/08/911-victims-family-members-survivors-say-government-is-lying-msm-silent.html And what about the millions of people who got murdered as a result of the wars based upon the "spouted shit" official conspiracy theory? You don't get to stand on the victims graves to silence people just because you fear what it means. I just love how official conspiracy theorists use emotion and attempts at shaming to avoid the physical evidence. "Nobody is dis-respecting the dead or their families or fearful of the consequences. Just saying the conspiracy theories are crazy. If they held any water, there'd be justifiable uproar. You might believe you are the brave clever one, and everyone else is sheep, and you are welcome to that incorrect theory too. | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. " I agree. The conspiracy theories have all been debunked by far more reputable sources. At the end of the day though, people will believe what they want to. | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. I agree. The conspiracy theories have all been debunked by far more reputable sources. At the end of the day though, people will believe what they want to." I've pulled up two members of the "conspiracy" brigade both spouting blatant lies. One about a scientist that was murdered for his views, who in fact is still alive and kicking and posting on Linkdin as recently as yesterday. And someone else saying there is no coverage of the hurricane in Havana in the states. Despite the first thing that comes up on Google is a 4 page spread about the evacuation in the Miami Herald. Both have refrained from replying. Mainly because they lied to make a point | |||
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"People who believe in conspiracy theories put far too much faith in government and its ability to keep a secret
Well said "Quite so. The reality is that evil cold blooded terrorists flew 2 planes into 2 poorly designed tower blocks. The structure were built on the arrogance of building the tallest towers they could. They were so arrogant that they only insured one tower, which then collapsed like a house of cards when the fires took hold. It wasn't a conspiracy. If they had been built better they would have remained standing. | |||
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"apart from the completely laughable 'theories', i still find it really insulting and completely disrespectful to the people that died and their families that people are still spouting this shit as if it's some sort of entertainment. So what about the families of the dead who say the government is lying and are part of the truth movement? http://www.choiceandtruth.com/2016/08/911-victims-family-members-survivors-say-government-is-lying-msm-silent.html And what about the millions of people who got murdered as a result of the wars based upon the "spouted shit" official conspiracy theory? You don't get to stand on the victims graves to silence people just because you fear what it means. I just love how official conspiracy theorists use emotion and attempts at shaming to avoid the physical evidence.
Nobody is dis-respecting the dead or their families or fearful of the consequences. Just saying the conspiracy theories are crazy. If they held any water, there'd be justifiable uproar.
You might believe you are the brave clever one, and everyone else is sheep, and you are welcome to that incorrect theory too."That wasn't my comment, I quoted and responded to another commenter who claimed that people who don't believe the official conspiracy theory are insulting the dead. Please stick to an objective and evidence-based discussion. The waters get muddy when we start talking about subjective things that cannot be proven like if one of us thinks they're "braver and clever" etc. Sheep are simply those who aren't looking at the evidence and are believing the disproven official conspiracy theory for whatever reason. They don't research and although I find them nauseatingly crass, I cannot prove that they are less brave or clever than anyone else, so I'll concede that. Let's start talking about the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. That's more quantifiable and we can actually make this exchange fruitful. | |||
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"apart from the completely laughable 'theories', i still find it really insulting and completely disrespectful to the people that died and their families that people are still spouting this shit as if it's some sort of entertainment. So what about the families of the dead who say the government is lying and are part of the truth movement? http://www.choiceandtruth.com/2016/08/911-victims-family-members-survivors-say-government-is-lying-msm-silent.html And what about the millions of people who got murdered as a result of the wars based upon the "spouted shit" official conspiracy theory? You don't get to stand on the victims graves to silence people just because you fear what it means. I just love how official conspiracy theorists use emotion and attempts at shaming to avoid the physical evidence.
Nobody is dis-respecting the dead or their families or fearful of the consequences. Just saying the conspiracy theories are crazy. If they held any water, there'd be justifiable uproar.
You might believe you are the brave clever one, and everyone else is sheep, and you are welcome to that incorrect theory too.
That wasn't my comment, I quoted and responded to another commenter who claimed that people who don't believe the official conspiracy theory are insulting the dead.
Please stick to an objective and evidence-based discussion. The waters get muddy when we start talking about subjective things that cannot be proven like if one of us thinks they're "braver and clever" etc. Sheep are simply those who aren't looking at the evidence and are believing the disproven official conspiracy theory for whatever reason. They don't research and although I find them nauseatingly crass, I cannot prove that they are less brave or clever than anyone else, so I'll concede that.
Let's start talking about the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. That's more quantifiable and we can actually make this exchange fruitful. "1. It doesn't even make sense to do. If it was an excuse for war, just crash them into a sport stadium etc. You don't need a ridiculously complicated plot. 2. So many people would need to be involved it would be impossible to keep quiet. 3. The ends didn't justify the means. A war is easier to engineer than that. 4. I am an engineer. I live on physical evidence. The theories are a mish-mash of pseudo science. Have fun doing more Youtube research, but I'm outta here. | |||
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"Has anyone of the thousands of people involved in this supposed plot come forward and spoken publicly about their role in it? " not one. | |||
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"Has anyone of the thousands of people involved in this supposed plot come forward and spoken publicly about their role in it? not one. " Hmm, seems strange. Not one who felt remorse over their role, not one who told a lovely one, not one who wrote a memoir to be released after their death etc etc. | |||
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"Has anyone of the thousands of people involved in this supposed plot come forward and spoken publicly about their role in it? not one. Hmm, seems strange. Not one who felt remorse over their role, not one who told a lovely one, not one who wrote a memoir to be released after their death etc etc." Obviously the more people you involve in a plot the more likely it will be exposed. This plot would have involved thousands and there was frankly no need to make the plot so complicated to achieve the alleged desired end. A van full of explosives driven into an iconic building would have done the trick. That for me is the killer argument. | |||
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"My favourite arguments are still: 1. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. - Correct. However it will significantly reduce the strength of those beams, especially when there are literal tons resting on to of them. 2. The nose of the jet wouldn't pass all the way through like it does in the videos. Usually backed up with videos of trials against concrete blocks. Correct, for the small fighter jet they use against dozens of feet of concrete. For a 600MPH passenger airliner weighing a metric fuck-ton's worth of metal, baggage, bodies, and fuel Vs. a building mostly made of steel, glass, and plaster board: very easy." Exactly somebody is right, if I poor aviation fuel on steel it won't melt, if however I cause a massive fire with that fuel the steel will be weakened and fail. If I fly a massive aircraft at high speed into a building it will get stuck inside it! All these conspiracy theorists come up with some epic stuff. | |||
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"My favourite arguments are still: 1. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. - Correct. However it will significantly reduce the strength of those beams, especially when there are literal tons resting on to of them. 2. The nose of the jet wouldn't pass all the way through like it does in the videos. Usually backed up with videos of trials against concrete blocks. Correct, for the small fighter jet they use against dozens of feet of concrete. For a 600MPH passenger airliner weighing a metric fuck-ton's worth of metal, baggage, bodies, and fuel Vs. a building mostly made of steel, glass, and plaster board: very easy. Exactly somebody is right, if I poor aviation fuel on steel it won't melt, if however I cause a massive fire with that fuel the steel will be weakened and fail. If I fly a massive aircraft at high speed into a building it will get stuck inside it! All these conspiracy theorists come up with some epic stuff." Idiots. Idiots everywhere | |||
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"Has anyone of the thousands of people involved in this supposed plot come forward and spoken publicly about their role in it? not one. " Others have suggested that even if they did come forward the mainstream media would never publish it because the implications are far to great for the whole western world. So maybe they did come forward and it was put down as "fake news"? | |||
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"no-one mentioning the money backers ? the Rothschilds...... i believe that there now only 4 countries in the world that they dont financially control......." sorry.. make that 3 !!! | |||
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"It was not an inside job I cannot believe that people think that and the more it carries on the more that the victims families will have to relive the awful nightmare that was 9/11" Research Larry Silverstein...it was an insurance fraud. | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. " You are of course spot on. And for the other folks who suspect a conspiracy I suggerst that they visit the pentagon and maybe even talk to some of those who were there at the time. | |||
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"Also conveniently,the delta team that took out usb all died in a helicopter crash not long after !" It was Seal Team 6 actually and no they didn't. | |||
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"It was not an inside job I cannot believe that people think that and the more it carries on the more that the victims families will have to relive the awful nightmare that was 9/11 Research Larry Silverstein...it was an insurance fraud." No it wasn't. That's been comprehensively debunked. | |||
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"no-one mentioning the money backers ? the Rothschilds...... i believe that there now only 4 countries in the world that they dont financially control....... sorry.. make that 3 !!!" See google will have you believe anything. Look on page two or three of google. Or search Rothschild conspiracy debunked. Every one of the rumours or lies is covered and comprehensively debunked. | |||
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"The astonishing thing here is the number of people who think there was some sort of inside job. Think about the thousands of people who would have to have been involved and yet not one has blown the whistle. The conspiracy theory is utter bollocks but it's prevalence says something about the modern mindset " And the number of gullible numpties that exist in this world...and on here. | |||
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"It was not an inside job I cannot believe that people think that and the more it carries on the more that the victims families will have to relive the awful nightmare that was 9/11 Research Larry Silverstein...it was an insurance fraud." I could think of other things I could waste my time on and researching conspiracy theories are not one of them. We all have our views on 9/11 and I'll carry on thinking of it the way I have always done... | |||
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"no-one mentioning the money backers ? the Rothschilds...... i believe that there now only 4 countries in the world that they dont financially control......." I suppose you also believe that the Rothschilds, hitler and our own queen are in fact lizards....? | |||
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"It was not an inside job I cannot believe that people think that and the more it carries on the more that the victims families will have to relive the awful nightmare that was 9/11 Research Larry Silverstein...it was an insurance fraud." Yeah makes great sense. Got $4.77 billion dollars from the claim made after the attacks and cost $9 billion to clear up and build the freedom tower. Funded by federal loans as he couldn't cover costs. Makes sense to blow up your building and have to pay another $4 billion on top to replace it with less floor space. It's been debunked a million times...... | |||
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"It was not an inside job I cannot believe that people think that and the more it carries on the more that the victims families will have to relive the awful nightmare that was 9/11 Research Larry Silverstein...it was an insurance fraud. Yeah makes great sense. Got $4.77 billion dollars from the claim made after the attacks and cost $9 billion to clear up and build the freedom tower. Funded by federal loans as he couldn't cover costs. Makes sense to blow up your building and have to pay another $4 billion on top to replace it with less floor space. It's been debunked a million times......" Also how you recruit people willing to get themselves killed in pursuit of someone else's insurance scam? | |||
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"Personally speaking, I think it was an inside job....in that it was self inflicted and virtually inevitable because of US and our foreign policies towards democractic countries we regard as ours to manipulate or destabilise for our own benefits." That makes it a consequence of, not an inside job. | |||
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"Also conveniently,the delta team that took out usb all died in a helicopter crash not long after ! It was Seal Team 6 actually and no they didn't." seal team 6 as I'm currently aware are all bar one still alive. In fact one was on the news the other week because of the uproar of his book. Amazing how many people invent "facts" | |||
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"It was not an inside job I cannot believe that people think that and the more it carries on the more that the victims families will have to relive the awful nightmare that was 9/11 Research Larry Silverstein...it was an insurance fraud. Yeah makes great sense. Got $4.77 billion dollars from the claim made after the attacks and cost $9 billion to clear up and build the freedom tower. Funded by federal loans as he couldn't cover costs. Makes sense to blow up your building and have to pay another $4 billion on top to replace it with less floor space. It's been debunked a million times...... Also how you recruit people willing to get themselves killed in pursuit of someone else's insurance scam? " it works for Jihaddi's lol the insurance scam theory is the most laughable of all the conspiracy theory's | |||
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. You are of course spot on. And for the other folks who suspect a conspiracy I suggerst that they visit the pentagon and maybe even talk to some of those who were there at the time." ok mate will do. Anyone in particular I ask for upon my arrival? | |||
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"Look, they can't even describe the date properly. 911 is 9th of November. It happened on 11th September, which is 119. If they can't get that right, how can they do such a complicated cover-up? Nothing to see here, move along." On a slightly more serious point, you have to believe that, on the one hand, the conspirators are clever enough to put together a fiendishly clever scheme involving a cast of thousands and which goes perfectly, yet on the other hand they are so stupid as to make school boy errors discernible to unqualified people sitting in basements | |||
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"I don't know what I believe. I'm a simple person and I like to see good in everyone although I know not everyone is good. I believe 4 planes were hijacked. I believe the towers collapsed. I believe these 2 things because I watched them on tv. But I'm not convinced that the towers fell purely because the planes hit them. This is because they did fall like a controlled explosion. Why this happened I do not know. But seeing the grenville tower burn like it did with the heat it did and seeing it NOT fall. Installs my believe that the towers had help in falling. Why this occurred tbh I don't know. It's compelling to think it was to start a war. But my nice part of me has diffierculty believing this to be true. All I can think/feel is for the honest lives lost. " Grenfell tower is a completely different structure for one reason. The circumstances are completely different I.e. A plane didn't hit grenfell at 600 mph full of fuel two thirds of the way up and then explode upon impact. That's why it didn't collapse, however it was an unsafe structure until it was re-inforced after the fire. | |||
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"Btw 600 mph is a total estimate by me. Sorry if anybody knows the actual speed and I got it wrong. No conspiracy meant there with the speed." lol | |||
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"Btw 600 mph is a total estimate by me. Sorry if anybody knows the actual speed and I got it wrong. No conspiracy meant there with the speed." hmmm, sounds like you know a little too much. Expect a knock soon   | |||
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"I don't know what I believe. I'm a simple person and I like to see good in everyone although I know not everyone is good. I believe 4 planes were hijacked. I believe the towers collapsed. I believe these 2 things because I watched them on tv. But I'm not convinced that the towers fell purely because the planes hit them. This is because they did fall like a controlled explosion. Why this happened I do not know. But seeing the grenville tower burn like it did with the heat it did and seeing it NOT fall. Installs my believe that the towers had help in falling. Why this occurred tbh I don't know. It's compelling to think it was to start a war. But my nice part of me has diffierculty believing this to be true. All I can think/feel is for the honest lives lost. Grenfell tower is a completely different structure for one reason. The circumstances are completely different I.e. A plane didn't hit grenfell at 600 mph full of fuel two thirds of the way up and then explode upon impact. That's why it didn't collapse, however it was an unsafe structure until it was re-inforced after the fire." . No no no no no.... Nooooooooooooooooooo. 911 report, the buildings collapsing had nothing to do with the planes flying into them, they collapsed due to fire weakening the steel structure causing a pancake effect of the floors. It's since been hypothesised that MAYBE the impact of the plane shook loose the fire retardant covering of the steel but this has never been concluded either way. However your correct the two buildings are built in different means, one was steel reinforced concrete and the other was a steel framed building | |||
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"I don't know what I believe. I'm a simple person and I like to see good in everyone although I know not everyone is good. I believe 4 planes were hijacked. I believe the towers collapsed. I believe these 2 things because I watched them on tv. But I'm not convinced that the towers fell purely because the planes hit them. This is because they did fall like a controlled explosion. Why this happened I do not know. But seeing the grenville tower burn like it did with the heat it did and seeing it NOT fall. Installs my believe that the towers had help in falling. Why this occurred tbh I don't know. It's compelling to think it was to start a war. But my nice part of me has diffierculty believing this to be true. All I can think/feel is for the honest lives lost. Grenfell tower is a completely different structure for one reason. The circumstances are completely different I.e. A plane didn't hit grenfell at 600 mph full of fuel two thirds of the way up and then explode upon impact. That's why it didn't collapse, however it was an unsafe structure until it was re-inforced after the fire." I don't know the ins and outs of building construction. I was surprised tho that grenville tower didn't colaps. | |||
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"I'd also point out that they weren't "full of fuel" either. They only had 40% loadings and had been flying for nearly two hours before impact" Ok, perhaps not full. But 40% full is a lot of aviation fuel. Most planes explode epically on impact, I've read before that a lot of people could survive the crash impact in an airplane crash, but are usually killed by the fire. | |||
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"I'd also point out that they weren't "full of fuel" either. They only had 40% loadings and had been flying for nearly two hours before impact Ok, perhaps not full. But 40% full is a lot of aviation fuel. Most planes explode epically on impact, I've read before that a lot of people could survive the crash impact in an airplane crash, but are usually killed by the fire." Maybe you can survive a plane crash if it skids along the tarmac. Nobody is going to survive hitting a building at flight speed, regardless of anything else. | |||
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"I'd also point out that they weren't "full of fuel" either. They only had 40% loadings and had been flying for nearly two hours before impact Ok, perhaps not full. But 40% full is a lot of aviation fuel. Most planes explode epically on impact, I've read before that a lot of people could survive the crash impact in an airplane crash, but are usually killed by the fire. Maybe you can survive a plane crash if it skids along the tarmac. Nobody is going to survive hitting a building at flight speed, regardless of anything else." I'm not making the point anyone would have survived the wtc crash, I'm making the point the plane would have exploded upon impact and caught fire, this fuelled more by the remaining fuel. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!" . Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel | |||
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"There's been little mention of the 3rd tower. Tower 7 - i think it was called. This was the one the firemen were checking out being followed by a tv crew making a documentary. You can hear them saying 'we gotta go and get out, they are gonna pull this one'. It also fell down and the official reason was burning debrie from the twin towers. Although it wasn't close enough for anything to fall on. I also remember tv footage of the plane than slammed into the ground in Pensilvania, it looked like a 6 ft circular perfext hole but I'm sure it wasn't. That's the plane which the passengers over powered the terrorists I think." . Interestingly enough tower 7 isn't mentioned in the 911 report so we have no official theory on why it collapsed, however "they" said it was from damage caused by the falling rubble of the twin towers | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel" We used to extrude steel at around 1300 degrees. Steel is like plasticine at those sort of temps. | |||
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"I'd also point out that they weren't "full of fuel" either. They only had 40% loadings and had been flying for nearly two hours before impact Ok, perhaps not full. But 40% full is a lot of aviation fuel. Most planes explode epically on impact, I've read before that a lot of people could survive the crash impact in an airplane crash, but are usually killed by the fire." . 70-80% of the fuel would have burnt off on impact creating the huge fireball we saw, however there was plenty of burnable material inside the towers via carpet paper desks furniture etc etc. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel We used to extrude steel at around 1300 degrees. Steel is like plasticine at those sort of temps." . I know but having been a very observant reader of the 911 enquiry I just like to point out the facts as I've read them  .
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel" There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel We used to extrude steel at around 1300 degrees. Steel is like plasticine at those sort of temps." Correct. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel We used to extrude steel at around 1300 degrees. Steel is like plasticine at those sort of temps.. I know but having been a very observant reader of the 911 enquiry I just like to point out the facts as I've read them .
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7" . It's not my theory, it's the official reports enquiry and conclusions. Like I said above, couldn't tell you about building 7 as it's not mentioned in the 911 report | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7" Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse? | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel" And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse?" This is typical of conspiracy theorists, when questions are hard to answer they move onto something else. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse?" No. I don't | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? ". Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse?" Explain to us how a plane hitting the top of the building causes the entire building to shred and explode downward faster than the building itself was falling and into its basement in a pile? Why didn't that fire kill all the people on those floors? Do it was hot enough to destroy the entire building but not hot enough to kill people...... THINK! | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse? No. I don't" OK, pointless discussion really. If you think it's impossible to knock down a skyscraper with a heavily fuelled passenger jet, without the CIA pre-rigging it with exposives. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse? Explain to us how a plane hitting the top of the building causes the entire building to shred and explode downward faster than the building itself was falling and into its basement in a pile? Why didn't that fire kill all the people on those floors? Do it was hot enough to destroy the entire building but not hot enough to kill people...... THINK! " He did, the pancake effect as they call it. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest "A pancake collapse is not possible due to a 40 vertical column core. Vertical columns run the entire length of the building so even if a top floor was "weakened" it could not simply collapse. And here's the problem... NO PLANE HIT TOWER 7 | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest "Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle. I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel. His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this. | |||
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" Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse? Explain to us how a plane hitting the top of the building causes the entire building to shred and explode downward faster than the building itself was falling and into its basement in a pile? Why didn't that fire kill all the people on those floors? Do it was hot enough to destroy the entire building but not hot enough to kill people...... THINK! " It collapsed 1hr 45 after impact. Do you think that in that time some of the people left, before the collapse? The fire raged and the steel softened, it subsequently collapsed. Add to that the utter stupidity of thinking it is secretly plannable, worthwhile and subsequently hide-able, it's just none-sense. | |||
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" Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse? Explain to us how a plane hitting the top of the building causes the entire building to shred and explode downward faster than the building itself was falling and into its basement in a pile? Why didn't that fire kill all the people on those floors? Do it was hot enough to destroy the entire building but not hot enough to kill people...... THINK! It collapsed 1hr 45 after impact. Do you think that in that time some of the people left, before the collapse? The fire raged and the steel softened, it subsequently collapsed. Add to that the utter stupidity of thinking it is secretly plannable, worthwhile and subsequently hide-able, it's just none-sense." | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel There's only one problem with your theory... Building no. 7 Before moving to a different building, do you accept a plane hitting the first two could cause them to set on fire and subsequently collapse? No. I don't OK, pointless discussion really. If you think it's impossible to knock down a skyscraper with a heavily fuelled passenger jet, without the CIA pre-rigging it with exposives." No there is a point and debate going on. I'd love nothing more for the USA government to prove it wasn't an inside job. Release the full tape of the pentagon from the petrol station cctv as an eg. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this."You might have done, but did his experiment match the exact conditions of the actual crash? Steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150 degrees. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this.
You might have done, but did his experiment match the exact conditions of the actual crash? Steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150 degrees."Riight yet people were alive in those floors. And you're saying that the entire building was "bendy like plasticine" from a fire at the top that wasn't hot enough to kill all the people up there? Why did the ENTIRE building EXPLODE faster that it was falling, sending debris everywhere and pulverising the concrete into fine dust? .... And what happened to building 7? | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this.
You might have done, but did his experiment match the exact conditions of the actual crash? Steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150 degrees.
Riight yet people were alive in those floors. And you're saying that the entire building was "bendy like plasticine" from a fire at the top that wasn't hot enough to kill all the people up there? Why did the ENTIRE building EXPLODE faster that it was falling, sending debris everywhere and pulverising the concrete into fine dust?
.... And what happened to building 7?"I'm not saying the whole building was bendy like plasticine, I said steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150. Why we're people still alive? I don't know I wasn't there. I don't know the locations of dead or alive people. Why did some people survive the titanic sinking? Why did the whole building explode faster than it was falling? I'm not sure, the footage I saw didn't really show a building explode moreover lots of dust and debris spewing out as the building collapsed. Building 7 no idea what happened to it. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this.
You might have done, but did his experiment match the exact conditions of the actual crash? Steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150 degrees."I think he did the experiment at the scrap yard where the steel went, just the other side of the harbour I think. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this.
You might have done, but did his experiment match the exact conditions of the actual crash? Steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150 degrees.
I think he did the experiment at the scrap yard where the steel went, just the other side of the harbour I think.
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"Just think it's disrespectful to suggest a conspiracy, the towers collapsed with the sound of explosive charges because of aluminium. You could see the yellow liquid pouring out the sides of the two buildings. If anybody knows what happens when water touches liquid aluminium, it explodes. I'll let your water touch my liquid aluminium.... [Focus.. focus].. Ehem ignore that. Yes, you are correct and to my recollection it was caused by the water bottles that were onboard the flight and survived with the hijacker's passport. "Burning jet fuel and office furnishings don't reach anywhere near the temperature to melt steel or aluminium. Besides, the jet fuel went up in the seconds after impact. Liquid metal was found in the basements of the twin towers weeks after the collapse. How can water touching liquid aluminium cause that? Military grade nano thermite particles were found in the debris of all three collapsed buildings and the surrounding area. This was used instead of regular explosives to bring the buildings down. This is also why there were rivers of liquid steel under the towers as thermite creates its own oxygen. | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this.". Haha, your preaching to the converted, I absolutely think from facts and just far too many coincidences it was a conspiracy born from CIA black ops. I just believe that the most likely scenario is the most obvious scenario. Go back 1 year to George Bush's obviously rigged election victory against Al gore, that was the start of a plan to control the next 30 years of US foreign policy. Personally I think the CIA recruited and trained around 20 crazed Islamic maniacs funneling money from Saudi Arabia and Israel via Pakistan to their training camp in Afghanistan, giving them access to the USA via Saudi embassies allowed them regular trips, once training was complete, the plan was hatched to put these maniacs to work, nobody would have any idea because no one set of individuals would see all the training, all that's needed to allow them to succeed is for a few select hawkish individuals at high level like rumsfeld and Cheney to move or tie up your defensive pawns like NORAD in circles with simulated attacks on the same day and stand down orders.. wether the buildings collapse or not is meaningless, just the strikes are enough to get what you want!, which is a foreign invasion on a scale never imaginable and a clamp down on your citizens rights creating a move to a more controllable society. I would imagine all the planes were remotely piloted to make sure the "crazies" didn't have last minute doubts (very easy to do) and this would also explain the extremely skilled piloting. It's really not that hard to do or cover up (the USA even dreamt the whole plan up back in the 60s to overthrow Castro)....it's just about having the balls to do it! | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this.
You might have done, but did his experiment match the exact conditions of the actual crash? Steel is bendy like plasticine at around 1150 degrees.
I think he did the experiment at the scrap yard where the steel went, just the other side of the harbour I think.
So realistically it wasn't an accurate experiment."No it wasn't but I still think the heat could of buckled the support beams, which of course would of been joined with riverts as you can't get a steel beam that tall in one piece | |||
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"I do not believe that an inside job could have been covered up so successfully although I do believe that things are not as they seem in this case. I believe the science. Jet fuel burns at 1750 degrees and steel liquifies at 2800. Even given the fires started by an aircraft impact, the temps don't work. When the debris was being combed for survivors there was still liquid steel flowing days later and evidence of a Thermite reaction. Nuff said!. Again this isn't true either, you only need to " soften" the steel not melt it and that doesn't require 2800 degrees. Now when you have a lot of heat and fire and then put tens of thousands of tonnes of rubble on top you can then create a furnace capable of melting steel And you're saying that the entire building was heated to this temperature? Then how in the hell were people inside ALIVE and waving AT THE TIME OF THE "COLLAPSE"? How the hell could human life survive in this near blast furnace that you say the tower began? Explain that to us. A fire so hot that it weakened steel but people are waving and alive lol. Omg!
And I suppose you're going to tell us that these fires (smoke) from the top of the building weakened all the steel in the entire building then the building exploded from top to bottom faster than the debris could fall lol. Are you serious? .
Officially only two floors were weakened enough to collapse from from the main steel vertical columns, these two floors then caused a pancake collapse of the rest
Yes I saw an expert say this, he said the heat made the 4 vertical columns warp, twist and buckle.
I also saw an expert use oxygen and aviation fuel to start a fire and see what temperature it would reach and what it would do to steel.
His conclusions were it wouldn't reach a temperature hot enough to cause this..
Haha, your preaching to the converted, I absolutely think from facts and just far too many coincidences it was a conspiracy born from CIA black ops.
I just believe that the most likely scenario is the most obvious scenario.
Go back 1 year to George Bush's obviously rigged election victory against Al gore, that was the start of a plan to control the next 30 years of US foreign policy.
Personally I think the CIA recruited and trained around 20 crazed Islamic maniacs funneling money from Saudi Arabia and Israel via Pakistan to their training camp in Afghanistan, giving them access to the USA via Saudi embassies allowed them regular trips, once training was complete, the plan was hatched to put these maniacs to work, nobody would have any idea because no one set of individuals would see all the training, all that's needed to allow them to succeed is for a few select hawkish individuals at high level like rumsfeld and Cheney to move or tie up your defensive pawns like NORAD in circles with simulated attacks on the same day and stand down orders.. wether the buildings collapse or not is meaningless, just the strikes are enough to get what you want!, which is a foreign invasion on a scale never imaginable and a clamp down on your citizens rights creating a move to a more controllable society.
I would imagine all the planes were remotely piloted to make sure the "crazies" didn't have last minute doubts (very easy to do) and this would also explain the extremely skilled piloting.
It's really not that hard to do or cover up (the USA even dreamt the whole plan up back in the 60s to overthrow Castro)....it's just about having the balls to do it!"I didn't mean to preach or convince anyone. I think it was an inside job but I didn't use to and I wish I didn't. I wish it never happened but I also wish they prove once and for all it was just as we saw on all sites but sadly for me they haven't. Maybe they have and I haven't seen it, it's not like I've looked for it though. | |||
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"... have you all really spent the anniversary of the death of almost three thousand people arguing about a conspiracy theory about those people's deaths on a bloody internet forum? " No. I started the thread with respect in mind as not to derail the other thread where you write rip and pay your respects. Then I took my dad shopping then took him for his cancer check up appointment, then more shopping, gave my daughter and her mates a lift, just cooked dinner and done the dishes. During the day I visited back to contribute to this thread. | |||
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"... have you all really spent the anniversary of the death of almost three thousand people arguing about a conspiracy theory about those people's deaths on a bloody internet forum? " I've done other things too, but it would appear that way. I'm sure somebody can find a conspiracy as to the fact we haven't? | |||
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"Wow mate, you should write novels with an imagination like that. I've seen American officers that struggled with a basic platoon level attack and actually had to take them to one side to brief them on the basics when working with them. Organise all that would take some doing, however you're entitled to your view as the UK is a free place." That's not exclusive to US troops. I've encountered plenty of issues with UK service personnel! This isn't a US issue it's a theory made my people based purely on speculation with no fact. End of...It's a theory! | |||
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"... have you all really spent the anniversary of the death of almost three thousand people arguing about a conspiracy theory about those people's deaths on a bloody internet forum? " . Seems like a reasonable way to remember | |||
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"Wow mate, you should write novels with an imagination like that. I've seen American officers that struggled with a basic platoon level attack and actually had to take them to one side to brief them on the basics when working with them. Organise all that would take some doing, however you're entitled to your view as the UK is a free place. That's not exclusive to US troops. I've encountered plenty of issues with UK service personnel! This isn't a US issue it's a theory made my people based purely on speculation with no fact. End of...It's a theory! " . A thesis actually .
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"Wow mate, you should write novels with an imagination like that. I've seen American officers that struggled with a basic platoon level attack and actually had to take them to one side to brief them on the basics when working with them. Organise all that would take some doing, however you're entitled to your view as the UK is a free place." Hang on. One minute I'm preaching (when I'm not) next I'm imagining things and should write a novel. I can only tell you what I saw that morning and a few years later in documentaries. I don't understand what your second paragraph is about sorry. Have you seen any of the conspiracy documentaries I mentioned above and if so what did you think of them? How could so many people be involved in the planning without at least one person blowing a whistle? That alone makes me think what we saw was the truth but then I look at the other things mentioned and I'm like 'no chance', I'm not the only one either. I've never tried to convince anyone what actually happened but they all look at me gone off when I tell them some of things (facts might not be the correct word) from the other side and who can blame them? It's crazy to even think so but there we are, sadly I do think it was an inside job. This thread is reaching its limit soon and if someone wants to start a part 2 please be my guest. | |||
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Nobody is ever going to PROVE one way or another what actually happened.
My thesis has as much evidence as the 911 reports thesis and equally as much holes in them both. | |||
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"Wow mate, you should write novels with an imagination like that. I've seen American officers that struggled with a basic platoon level attack and actually had to take them to one side to brief them on the basics when working with them. Organise all that would take some doing, however you're entitled to your view as the UK is a free place. That's not exclusive to US troops. I've encountered plenty of issues with UK service personnel! This isn't a US issue it's a theory made my people based purely on speculation with no fact. End of...It's a theory! " Why hasn't it been put to bed then ? Or has it and I'm a few years behind. Funny you mention 'fact' there's been a few mentioned throughout this thread. Has the USA done enough to rubbish the conspiracies? I don't think they have and I think they could do more to fully convince myself and many others. | |||
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"I think he was commenting on my thesis to be honest .
Nobody is ever going to PROVE one way or another what actually happened.
My thesis has as much evidence as the 911 reports thesis and equally as much holes in them both."Sorry to seem a bit thick, what's a thesis? | |||
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"The Americans are obnoxious " . The American government is doing what every great power in history has done, asserting it's influence over it's own people, while trying to maintain its dominance. . This really isn't anything new in history terms | |||
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"I think he was commenting on my thesis to be honest .
Nobody is ever going to PROVE one way or another what actually happened.
My thesis has as much evidence as the 911 reports thesis and equally as much holes in them both.
Sorry to seem a bit thick, what's a thesis?"Usually its what you write at the end of a PhD. | |||
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"I think he was commenting on my thesis to be honest .
Nobody is ever going to PROVE one way or another what actually happened.
My thesis has as much evidence as the 911 reports thesis and equally as much holes in them both.
Sorry to seem a bit thick, what's a thesis?
Usually its what you write at the end of a PhD. "Oh right thank you. I thought the above mentioned was just giving an opinion. Hope 'you' got good grades for it and the merit it deserved | |||
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"apart from the completely laughable 'theories', i still find it really insulting and completely disrespectful to the people that died and their families that people are still spouting this shit as if it's some sort of entertainment." The people that are murderded during these set ups die so people will feel uncomfortable about questioning it ... if i was caught up in one of these bullshit terrorist attacks id want people to question it and find out the truth | |||
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"I think he was commenting on my thesis to be honest .
Nobody is ever going to PROVE one way or another what actually happened.
My thesis has as much evidence as the 911 reports thesis and equally as much holes in them both.
Sorry to seem a bit thick, what's a thesis?". An idea about how where and when and more crucially why it was done. Any thesis would need to show how and why the series of failures from state department occurred in helping 911 come about. 19 hijackers with Stanley knifes sounds reasonable, orchestrated by a mad man in a cave with a grudge again sounds reasonable but to actually get away with it takes more than just reasonableness, they can only explain it with a long series of coincidences but coincidences of a very high magnitude, NORAD's failures of same day manoeuvres, Embassy visa fuck ups, technical problems with air traffic control, pure luck on very high skilled aircraft turns, some coincidences like the flight path of the pentagon attack just can't even be explained?. So there thesis is quite frankly as full of holes as mine, the only difference is mine would explain why we see what came from it better. Mine would explain why we got a war on Iraq (a country of which had no connection with 911 whatsoever). Why US citizens got there rights and privileges and privacy curtailed despite no US citizens having anything to do with 911, mine even explains why people are so feared about hearing alternatives to the government thesis!. Any thesis should explain what we observe going on and explain it the best. Is there thesis credible, sure but it doesn't explain it with any credibility and with the machinery of government and media at your disposal you really should expect it to be half believable I guess | |||
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