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By *oxes OP   Man
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

Developing children in genderless upbringings, a worthwhile thing to do for your childs future and identity or just yet another eutopian ideal. Discuss?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Why is it such a bad thing to identify with a gender? Yes I agree that forcing pink on girls and blue on boys is an outdated principle but everyone seems so obsessed with non gender theses days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bit silly I would say ....

I mean c'mon who is seriously suggesting the procreation of nearly every living thing is not dependant on the interaction between genders of that species...

I'm going out on a limb here and I'll say "stupid idea"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

Brilliant post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it such a bad thing to identify with a gender? Yes I agree that forcing pink on girls and blue on boys is an outdated principle but everyone seems so obsessed with non gender theses days. "

I quite agree.I'm quite certain that the majority of little boys like being boys and the majority of little girls like being that way.The majority of people grow up being happy to be either men or women.Some do not and are not happy and their needs do need to be met but denying all the other children the chance to grow up in a way that makes them happy is no way to do that.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

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By *ootballFlowerCouple
over a year ago

Ollerton


"Why is it such a bad thing to identify with a gender? Yes I agree that forcing pink on girls and blue on boys is an outdated principle but everyone seems so obsessed with non gender theses days.

I quite agree.I'm quite certain that the majority of little boys like being boys and the majority of little girls like being that way.The majority of people grow up being happy to be either men or women.Some do not and are not happy and their needs do need to be met but denying all the other children the chance to grow up in a way that makes them happy is no way to do that."

This - D

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

Exactly this . But we have a long way to go to promote equality in children's minds, I have done my part to the best of my ability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you know in sweden there is a genderless society with the kids, it is the feminists that have done it that way.

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By *DontExistWoman
over a year ago

•+• Silicon valley. •+•

i think it will change societies.

because we have separated genders previously, given them roles, then by removing the common male and female gender a lot has the potential to change.

women still do things that are typically female things and the same for men doing typically male things. i think it would be good to be brought up without a set role being ingrained into the genders.

without these labels people should just become people theoretically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I steer my son away from the boys do this girls do that notions that he gets from his class mates, like football, he had picked up from someone that girls shouldn't play football, so I pointed out that the presenter of one of his favourite TV shows (footie pups on ceebebes) is a girl, and she's so good at football she teaches others.

I don't so much steer away from gender, but I don't enforce traditional gender roles.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

Exactly. There's a BBC series currently running on gender identity in 7 yr olds and an attempt to change it. The scariest things was that the ONLY emotion 7 yr old boys could express was anger! Horrifying! I fear many grown men suffer an imbalance too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread?

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By *oxes OP   Man
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity.

Exactly. There's a BBC series currently running on gender identity in 7 yr olds and an attempt to change it. The scariest things was that the ONLY emotion 7 yr old boys could express was anger! Horrifying! I fear many grown men suffer an imbalance too."

This BBC documentary soaked what I had read around the research area for when looking into salient identities and how ways to change it through steriotypi g and stigmatising It was not necessarily for my dist but interesting.

They did not do the ramp test. Most parents put the ramp lower for the child to crawl for baby girls compared to baby boys even though they are both mentally and physically the same at that age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not long now the end of the world is coming so don't even bother asking xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? "
Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.scarymommy.com/twitter-face-paint-male-violence/

This example at the weekend made me think perhaps we should be looking at better ways to move away from gender stereotyping. I often struggle to express emotions that are more complex and considered by society to be feminine rather than human.

We lost one of the young guys we work with to suicide couple weeks back and I can't help thinking if he'd felt more comfortable to talk about the complex feelings and emotions he was feeling he might still be with us

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By *oxes OP   Man
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality "

One thing I fear if this takes off is that we may reach the end of another extreme I am all in favour of Schools and parents teaching this (boys doint have to be mucho, women have been to passive and underestimate their performance), and no just because he is a boy/girl do not force z behaviour on to them.

But I fear the extreme of represive beahviours in order to acheive the end desired goal and eliminate gender inequaulity, Such seen in the victorian error.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Developing children in genderless upbringings, a worthwhile thing to do for your childs future and identity or just yet another eutopian ideal. Discuss? "

Zeitgeist. In a 100 years time it will be considered ridiculous.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"http://www.scarymommy.com/twitter-face-paint-male-violence/

This example at the weekend made me think perhaps we should be looking at better ways to move away from gender stereotyping. I often struggle to express emotions that are more complex and considered by society to be feminine rather than human.

We lost one of the young guys we work with to suicide couple weeks back and I can't help thinking if he'd felt more comfortable to talk about the complex feelings and emotions he was feeling he might still be with us"

Yes, both very sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"http://www.scarymommy.com/twitter-face-paint-male-violence/

This example at the weekend made me think perhaps we should be looking at better ways to move away from gender stereotyping. I often struggle to express emotions that are more complex and considered by society to be feminine rather than human.

We lost one of the young guys we work with to suicide couple weeks back and I can't help thinking if he'd felt more comfortable to talk about the complex feelings and emotions he was feeling he might still be with us

Yes, both very sad. "

That little kid in the article just wanted a butterfly painted on his face ffs, bit extreme an example mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality "

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!

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By *oxes OP   Man
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!"

Well actually know Gender = Social Differences

Sex = Physical differences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no dramas with it, however what I would say is think about the child and it's future.

Will it get bullied at school?

Will it be confused?

Just a couple of points to consider.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!"
That is right too if it dont go too far with an experiment, for examples the teachers avoid using the pronouns "him" and "her" when talking to the children.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!That is right too if it dont go too far with an experiment, for examples the teachers avoid using the pronouns "him" and "her" when talking to the children."

Der, Die, Das.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it such a bad thing to identify with a gender? Yes I agree that forcing pink on girls and blue on boys is an outdated principle but everyone seems so obsessed with non gender theses days.

I quite agree.I'm quite certain that the majority of little boys like being boys and the majority of little girls like being that way.The majority of people grow up being happy to be either men or women.Some do not and are not happy and their needs do need to be met but denying all the other children the chance to grow up in a way that makes them happy is no way to do that.

This - D"

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

And girls seem to choose pink all by themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!

Well actually know Gender = Social Differences

Sex = Physical differences "

Gender has since the 14th century been used in both contexts.

Gender fluidity is multi faceted and is often self defined or defined by reference to the sex of an individual.

I have no problem whatsoever with gender equality...

The poster made the point that firstly it's an experiment and secondly it's about gender equality...that alone infers that genderless is nothing more than an attempt to bring about gender equality. If genderless existed then there would be no need to attempt to bring about gender equality.

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By *Sin or Not 2SinCouple
over a year ago

A hop skip n a jump

So basically they are teaching a group of children not discrimante against each due to their sex? That you should not be pigeon holed due to gender? That the world is your oyster and you have the opportunities ahead of you to make decisions based upon the person you are and not what society deems you to be.

I think this is what I have done with my children due to having a child with disabilities and people giving her limitations all her life based on those.

Will be interesting to see the adults these children grow into and ask them the question of how does it feel to now be genderised and restricted based upon narrow mindedness and ignorance in todays society?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!That is right too if it dont go too far with an experiment, for examples the teachers avoid using the pronouns "him" and "her" when talking to the children.

Der, Die, Das..... "
Yes, that too

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By *oxes OP   Man
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? Google sweden and genderless, A "genderless" society: swedens experiment ... in an effort to reach a greater level of gender equality, the country of sweden is pushing for gender neutrality

Keywords...

Experiment

Gender equality

Gender is built into our DNA!

Well actually know Gender = Social Differences

Sex = Physical differences

Gender has since the 14th century been used in both contexts.

Gender fluidity is multi faceted and is often self defined or defined by reference to the sex of an individual.

I have no problem whatsoever with gender equality...

The poster made the point that firstly it's an experiment and secondly it's about gender equality...that alone infers that genderless is nothing more than an attempt to bring about gender equality. If genderless existed then there would be no need to attempt to bring about gender equality."

For the sake of a Clear Scientific clarity so people do not get confused when making arguments

People who do sicentirifc reserch often use the terms

Sex to mean biological differences (as cleary Denoted by science) and gender: describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine. gender has no natural biologican effects denoted from brith (athoguh you could argue a certain evoloution theory) where as Sex does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There kids.... let them be kids and make there own minds up on what they believe when they are old enough to understand these things. Parents are forcing them to be something they may not want to be when there older x

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"A bit silly I would say ....

I mean c'mon who is seriously suggesting the procreation of nearly every living thing is not dependant on the interaction between genders of that species...

I'm going out on a limb here and I'll say "stupid idea" "

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Some people just need to man up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it such a bad thing to identify with a gender? Yes I agree that forcing pink on girls and blue on boys is an outdated principle but everyone seems so obsessed with non gender theses days. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

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By *ensualguy101Man
over a year ago

Orpington

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/01/the-kingdom-of-women-the-tibetan-tribe-where-a-man-is-never-the-boss

I'm not too sure if anyone has mentioned it (there are quite a few comments), but in China (well, ok, Tibet) there is a village where there are no male father figures but instead the women rule the family units (see the above link)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a genderless society..

End of thread? "

Except in Sweden. Continue thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it such a bad thing to identify with a gender? Yes I agree that forcing pink on girls and blue on boys is an outdated principle but everyone seems so obsessed with non gender theses days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity.

Exactly this . But we have a long way to go to promote equality in children's minds, I have done my part to the best of my ability. "

Children are born with equality in their minds. You watch a group of toddlers and how they interact with each other and others around them. They see no colour, creed, gender, sexuality or religion.

Inequality unfortunately is a concept we learn as we traverse our way to adulthood through this society.

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

We seem to be trying to move from a situation where we (up to a point) force concepts of gender on children and society at large, to one where we force the concept of a genderless life on everyone.

I would be asking the questions: who is driving this, and what's innit for them.

Nature has genders (which can be flexible as I'm sure we all know) and sexes. Everyone should be free to choose where they fit into both without fear of prejudice. It's not up to me or anyone else to decide what's the 'correct' situation for anyone else.

Perhaps the expert's efforts would be better directed at solving the fixed ideas and prejudices that can make people's lives a misery.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

If we go down this road, and promote a gender neutral society , are we going to also accept a society that ultimately no longer procreates ?

Surely a man fancies a woman and they reproduce due to the said attraction ? If ultimately men don't see women as any different they won't be sexually attracted to women and this would lead to the end of humanity !

Let's celebrate men fancying men , women fancying women , both fancying both and continue to help those born into the wrong body . But to stigmatise nature and it's way is just daft .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

This!!! Fab

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"If we go down this road, and promote a gender neutral society , are we going to also accept a society that ultimately no longer procreates ?

Surely a man fancies a woman and they reproduce due to the said attraction ? If ultimately men don't see women as any different they won't be sexually attracted to women and this would lead to the end of humanity !

Let's celebrate men fancying men , women fancying women , both fancying both and continue to help those born into the wrong body . But to stigmatise nature and it's way is just daft ."

I don't gender neutral teaching is going to affect natural attraction in any way whatsoever. It's not about not seeing the sex of a person, it's about accepting their identity and not enforcing stereotypes such as bots play with tractors and do practical stuff and girls play with dolls and do housework stuff.

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

I think it is beneficial to the minority who do not identify their gender with their sex. Many people who are told they are a boy/girl find it difficult to speak up about how they truly feel, so allowing them to choose their own gender when they know makes sense to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just want to chip-in and say all female participant sport in the UK is infinitely more passionate and immeasurably more entertaining to watch than all male participant sport ....

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Bad news for Muslims.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"Developing children in genderless upbringings, a worthwhile thing to do for your childs future and identity or just yet another eutopian ideal. Discuss? "

It's an absolutely shit idea

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By *oxes OP   Man
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"Developing children in genderless upbringings, a worthwhile thing to do for your childs future and identity or just yet another eutopian ideal. Discuss?

It's an absolutely shit idea

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In your oppinion why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd rather celebrate the difference in the sexes and promote equality of opportunity. "

"Celebrate the differences" which usually means "boys are like *this*, girls are like *this*, now get in your fucking box".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just want to chip-in and say all female participant sport in the UK is infinitely more passionate and immeasurably more entertaining to watch than all male participant sport ....

"
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Alas in a genderless society there'd be less of them.

Certainly none at the Olympics, no tennis players, no footballers, no runners, no cyclists....

Still theres always beach volleyball

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