FabSwingers.com forum: Video games lead to violent behavior

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yay or nay?

Personal opinion, no it doesn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bad parenting leads to violent behaviour, not video games.

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

My daughter plays some pretty grisly looking games. She is as mild as a lamb.

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea

No.

I've played lots of "vilount" games as a kid but I'm 1 of the nicest people you cood meet in the real world

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By *eplicant JoWoman
over a year ago

Sussex countryside

No, it doesn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not in the slightest

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

I have murderous thoughts after a bad game of solitaire

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By *ellowbabesCouple
over a year ago

newport/cwmbran

Appears I'm swimming against the tide, but I firmly believe violent games and images have a desensitising effect,in much the same way porn does. This may be ok in a mentally stable, mature individual, who can separate reality from fantasy.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They said the same of cartoons but I never tried to flatten anybody with an Acme giant spring-loaded iron.

However, research found that kids know the difference between cartoons and real life. As games get more lifelike, that line gets blurred, though the link is still being researched.

The American Psychological Association concluded in an extensive report that while there was "no single risk factor" to blame for aggression, violent video games did contribute.

This report was questioned by a group of academics, who questioned the methodology. "I fully acknowledge that exposure to repeated violence may have short-term effects - you would be a fool to deny that - but the long-term consequences of crime and actual violent behaviour, there is just no evidence linking violent video games with that," said Dr Mark Coulson, associate professor of psychology at Middlesex University.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they don't. But they can influence people with the tendency for violence if they can't distinguish real life from fantasy. But that's a whole new thread x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all!

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By *KMaxMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Appears I'm swimming against the tide, but I firmly believe violent games and images have a desensitising effect,in much the same way porn does. This may be ok in a mentally stable, mature individual, who can separate reality from fantasy.....

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nay, load of rubbish

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

no, i played all gta games when they came out as child, and im a very nice person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The person has to have the tendency to start with - ie be a sociopath/psychopath etc

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Yay or nay?

Personal opinion, no it doesn't"

No.

I've never felt the need to drive like a fucktard, stab people, shoot them, hit them over the noggin with a club or throw a grenade at them either.

Same when I watch a film. It's wrong for others to associate this with terrible acts in the real world but who am I to disagree.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"They said the same of cartoons but I never tried to flatten anybody with an Acme giant spring-loaded iron."

Tom and Jerry was once banned due to violence

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By *DontExistWoman
over a year ago

•+• Silicon valley. •+•

i think the worst they can do for normal people is they throw the pad in frustration.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"i think the worst they can do for normal people is they throw the pad in frustration."

Pads now are like £40 a pop.

I'm too tight to throw mine but then it never winds me up

I don't do much dying

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"Yay or nay?

Personal opinion, no it doesn't"

Yep, I've seen an ex gf who spent hours and hours on pacman and then wanted to chase me around the house trying to eat me

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By *DontExistWoman
over a year ago

•+• Silicon valley. •+•

"i think the worst they can do for normal people is they throw the pad in frustration.

Pads now are like £40 a pop.

I'm too tight to throw mine but then it never winds me up

I don't do much dying"

i remember my brother throwing his a lot. good job they have save points now coz it seems a lot less frustrating using those.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

I played violent games all through my childhood

Look how I turned out

Perfectly fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worm still drives me mad! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Games don't cause violent behaviour

Lag does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Games don't cause violent behaviour

Lag does. "

Or a no scope from across the map back in the day on COD4

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

Nope.

Can evoke frustration but so can tetris.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

"Games don't cause violent behaviour

Lag does.

Or a no scope from across the map back in the day on COD4

Ooooo, bog was the worst map for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids have always played war games. Whether it's little tin soldiers or first person shoot em ups. What's changed, however, is the increasing "realism" of the experience that's offered to them. In victorian Britain a little tin soldiers head might have come off and the child would have pretended they needed to go to the doctor. Today they watch the soldier besides them get brutally wounded, the blood splatters in their face, the soldier screams out agonisingly, pleaing for the pain to end. People who have these kinds of experiences in real life are deeply traumatised by them for the rest of their lives. A child witnessing this stuff on tv or computer games must also be being subject to some degree of trauma.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Kids have always played war games. Whether it's little tin soldiers or first person shoot em ups. What's changed, however, is the increasing "realism" of the experience that's offered to them. In victorian Britain a little tin soldiers head might have come off and the child would have pretended they needed to go to the doctor. Today they watch the soldier besides them get brutally wounded, the blood splatters in their face, the soldier screams out agonisingly, pleaing for the pain to end. People who have these kinds of experiences in real life are deeply traumatised by them for the rest of their lives. A child witnessing this stuff on tv or computer games must also be being subject to some degree of trauma."

I suppose that's why some games are 18 rated but I know of very few parents that adhere to that.

I haven't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No it doesn't at all.

Violent behavior has been around since humans were humans.

It's like other posters have said, sure games are getting more realistic which isn't exactly a bad thing. There's age ratings on them for a reason. It's a game, it's not real. It's been sanitisied to some point.

If you want to be silly about it and say video games lead to violent behavior then eating cornflakes leads to extremely violent behavior because cornflakes have been around for longer how many violent people eat them daily... Just messing around!

Video games are good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope.

Unless someone can actually turn water into wine, then i'll say yes.

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

This myth was originally started in the U.S after GTA 3. A lad went out and did a car jacking and his defence in court was "a game made me do it"

Now there are two sides to this debate...

1) Lazy parenting - yep you guessed it! The parents who stand there and go "he wouldn't do it, such a lovely boy" and yet he did it! Its because of the public outcry caused by these parents the police wont do certain things like chase moped theives across London because should anything happen the area riots because of it.

there has only been one case of Austerity being proven in the U.S where the young man drove d*unk and killed people, again the defence managed to prove the individual wasnt aware that drinking and driving was dangeous due to his upbringing...but that fell on its ass a few months later when the lad did it again.

2) fiction/reality - there are more young individuals which are now having difficulty in seperating the 2. There are circles which point to the increase in using mobile devices.. Basically their brains cant alternate between sending a hurtful text and saying something hurtful because it registers virtually to some extent.

So in short are video games to blame? Nope its lazy parents who stick kids infront of x_oxes all day, who dont tell their kids off and those who wont discipline them when they need it.

Take your pick, games? Music? Movies? They all get dumped on because someone couldnt be arsed to give their kid a slap long before the problem got out of hand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So all you people who think that daily exposure to gratuitously violent computer games is fine for kids... would you also say that exposing kids to the worst excesses of hardcore porn on a daily basis is also absolutely fine?

It is, after all, the exact same argument is it not

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So all you people who think that daily exposure to gratuitously violent computer games is fine for kids... would you also say that exposing kids to the worst excesses of hardcore porn on a daily basis is also absolutely fine?

It is, after all, the exact same argument is it not "

I've played video games all my life, some so violent they was banned. I've also watched horror/slasher movies since before I can remember and my parole officer says I'm now an upstanding citizen

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

After listening to the sister in law commenting on different type of kids who were at her last chance school, she agrees that violent video games can attribute to the way kids act.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After listening to the sister in law commenting on different type of kids who were at her last chance school, she agrees that violent video games can attribute to the way kids act."

Which leads it back to bad parenting since kids at school shouldn't be playing violent games rated above their age bracket, same as violent films.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Bad parenting leads to violent behaviour, not video games."
exactly this

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By *eady and Willing 9Man
over a year ago

Wherever the party is @

"Bad parenting leads to violent behaviour, not video games."

This should have ended the thread. Anyone who thinks it's not is having a laugh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nay ive played alot of gta , i have no inclination of picking up prostitutes and driving around like a nutter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My teenage boys have played COD for years. Neither are violent or ASBO types of boys. They hard working and well behaved boys. When they're not, well that's nothing go do with the their games. That's down to pubity and rubbish Wi-Fi signal causing them to lag.

As punishment I "hit" them where it hurts.... I switch off the Wi-Fi and take the box with me! Even if they're in mid game! Ha! It's so shocking how fast they then clean their room and do their chores! Haha

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By *DontExistWoman
over a year ago

•+• Silicon valley. •+•

you know what is weird about games though. like the first time you play something, amye mario snes version, did it not keep coming up in your eyes/mind when you wasn't playing it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The day a guy dressed as Sonic the Hedgehog starts robbing jewellery stores of all their gold rings is the day I'll believe video games cause bad behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad parenting leads to violent behaviour, not video games."

To some extent yes I agree, not everything can be laid at the parents door.

I'd also say it's in some peoples make up / genes as to how they're going to behave, regardless of the parenting or what they're been exposed too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad parenting leads to violent behaviour, not video games.

To some extent yes I agree, not everything can be laid at the parents door.

I'd also say it's in some peoples make up / genes as to how they're going to behave, regardless of the parenting or what they're been exposed too."

I partly agree with this. My son has never met his dad (my ex's choice not mine), yet he takes after him in every way, from parts of the same personality and the way he walks. It's shocking

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

I wouldn't say they lead to violence, but believe they have a great influence in a child's behaviour. But then there are age limits for a reason..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say that liking violence leads to more likely seeking to play violent games.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute crap. People have been violent way before video games existed.

Some people are just terrible. It's human nature.

~Mia

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

is that before world war, and past violence history of human nature.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"The day a guy dressed as Sonic the Hedgehog starts robbing jewellery stores of all their gold rings is the day I'll believe video games cause bad behaviour "

*sells catapult and selection of different sized birds

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Of course they don't .

Any more so than reading books in previous generations , playing war games and so on .

There were just as many violent crimes in previous generations as there are now , so where is the evidence ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there's a pretty good case that some books have led to considerable violence over a few hundred years!

Some people don't need much of an excuse.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Behavior is typically not caused by one thing, it'll be a range of stuff. Correlations between games and behavior would be different to causes too of course.

My assumption is they don't cause it but may correlate somehow as well as desensitise people against aggression etc, possibly also helping to normalize violence in some people. Ultimately genetics and experience will establish more readiness and potentially motivation for it.

Do research as there have been studies

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The day a guy dressed as Sonic the Hedgehog starts robbing jewellery stores of all their gold rings is the day I'll believe video games cause bad behaviour

*sells catapult and selection of different sized birds

I snorted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pac-Man made me wank my dog and kill my goldfish...

It's all bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have murderous thoughts after a bad game of solitaire

Haha Now that did make me laugh mate, have to say lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe, if you have anger and violence in you it will come out, regardless. I have grandsons who have played violent console games and they aren't violent. If it in you it will come out regardless. A friend of ours had a very violent life, way before these violent games came out. He was vicious and unstoppable, when he was a teenager and well into his 40s and never played a console.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wasn't bad parenting either. His siblings were nothing like him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

theres a fun graph that shows either murders or assaults cant quite remeber the year the first doom came out the numbers plummeted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

theres a fun graph that shows either murders or assaults cant quite remeber the year the first doom came out the numbers plummeted "

Doom was a scary mother fucker of a game!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't say they lead to violence, but believe they have a great influence in a child's behaviour. But then there are age limits for a reason.."

well they greatly increase a child's visual reasoning skills and reaction times.

but you have to remember games are puzzels/reaction games at thier base they are completley disconnected from any violence or act.

sport is far more closely linked to violence as its direct physical competition often woth contact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

theres a fun graph that shows either murders or assaults cant quite remeber the year the first doom came out the numbers plummeted

Doom was a scary mother fucker of a game!"

https://ibb.co/e7PyxQ

not the one I was looking for but close enough.

obviously correlation does not equal causation here but its still amusing.

although with it being american stats theres still the sudden fairly unexplained plummet in crime/murder rates in the mid 90s.

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By *anielpiercedMan
over a year ago

by the seaside

"Yay or nay?

Personal opinion, no it doesn't"

Nay. I'm playing Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Wildlands currently and at no point have I wanted to go out and shoot up a Bolivian drug cartel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When one of my grandsons as 5 he used his beat 14 yr olds on combat mode on CoD. He's now 10. And very level headed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. I believe the mind would need to be disturbed anyway. Possibly damage/scarring to the pre frontal cortex. For an average person, I doubt there is a correlation between violent video games and being violent.

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By *tep121Man
over a year ago

manchester

It depends on what the kid is like in terms of mentality...

I've played some pretty graphic and violent games when I was younger. I still do now..

It hasn't changed the way I am as a person.

In fact it's actually helped me.. if I'm stressed or anything, I'd rather release my stress or anger on a violent game than on people..

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By *tillwaterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

There's lots of scientific psychological research on this subject. Research Bandura's 'social learning theory'.

Here is just one of many published research journals on the subject:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-9280.00366

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, definitely not. Just a very poor excuse.

I watched cartoons and horror movies with my friends when I was growing up, did me know harm what so ever.

My son plays gta and cod, he's 11. The bullying he would receive at school for not playing these games would have a further reaching effect on him than the actual game!!!

He couldn't hurt anyone anyway, he hates the sight of blood in real life, he would either be sick or pass out!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They tried to prove this in the 90s.

It's rubbish. But, game makers don't have to make them as violent as they do. They're supposed to be fun. They're getting worse each year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if the person is predisposed to committing violent behaviour; rather than finding the lines blurred between reality and virtual reality that they are instead influenced and learn from games/films/literature.

If you look at some of the crimes committed by youngsters that follow scenarios from games and such like you have to ask would those kids have done similar anyway? Have they just picked up techniques?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They tried to prove this in the 90s.

It's rubbish. But, game makers don't have to make them as violent as they do. They're supposed to be fun. They're getting worse each year. "

I agree. I think there is a worrying trend where everything has to become more and more extreme to stay relevant. It is desensitizing the population generally.

I'm not a fan of blood, guts and gore for the sake of shock. When you take a step back and look at films like the Saw series or Human Centipede you have to wonder just what in the brain that are they appealing to? I'd never say people shouldn't watch them, each to their own, but I struggle to find the enjoyment in it.

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By *tillwaterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"They tried to prove this in the 90s.

It's rubbish. But, game makers don't have to make them as violent as they do. They're supposed to be fun. They're getting worse each year. "

It's been proven multiple times mate, check the research journal in my previous post

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"They tried to prove this in the 90s.

It's rubbish. But, game makers don't have to make them as violent as they do. They're supposed to be fun. They're getting worse each year. "

Game story telling has been improving year on year . Who can ever forget noble teams sacrifice in halo reach that ends with you playing nobles sixes death scene .

Or in halo 4 when cortina a machine intelligence sacrifices what's left of herself to save the man she loves with all her heart .

The story telling in games as a whole is at a all time high you wish to play a game series with a great story that will have you questioning your own moral standards through the actions you are forced to take or not take play the witcher series of games Gerald story is full of moral dilemmas where there is no truly right or wrong choice .

Yes the battlefields and cods of this world are mindless popcorn games but games are more like films now days in there story telling and no one think with a straight face that a film can lead to violence unless the person in question was mentally disturbed to start off with and games are no different in my opinion .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Books have caused more violence than films or games ever will....ie the bible or quran.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Makes you wonder what caused the violence before the cathode ray tube was invented?

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By *anTouchThisCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"They tried to prove this in the 90s.

It's rubbish. But, game makers don't have to make them as violent as they do. They're supposed to be fun. They're getting worse each year.

It's been proven multiple times mate, check the research journal in my previous post "

I think you mean 'better'.

None of the accepted research shows any long term effects. At most, there's a few mihutes of excitement immediately after playing, just due to simple effects of adrenaline etc. It passes very quickly, and is just the same as having watched a movie, sports event, or similar.

Violent people seek out violent entertainment, though they won't always be aware of it. It doesn't create them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion has caused more violence than computer games, films and books put together but religion is still forced upon children. We have religion only schools.

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

Leicester

"Nope, definitely not. Just a very poor excuse.

I watched cartoons and horror movies with my friends when I was growing up, did me know harm what so ever.

My son plays gta and cod, he's 11. The bullying he would receive at school for not playing these games would have a further reaching effect on him than the actual game!!!

He couldn't hurt anyone anyway, he hates the sight of blood in real life, he would either be sick or pass out!! "

My son is 11 and there is no way on earth is allow him to play gta, the game is repulsive. He doesn't have CoD either. If kids were to bully another child for it then that's where the parents come into it and need to educate their kids, not everyone is in the same situation, many cant even afford a modern console let alone all the games to go with it.

Where I am I know the kids play assassins creed and I don't mean the video game, I mean while playing. Numerous parents have been called in to discuss their child's behaviour due to wanting to act out this game, which has safety issue to themselves and others.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"They tried to prove this in the 90s.

It's rubbish. But, game makers don't have to make them as violent as they do. They're supposed to be fun. They're getting worse each year. "

What are you currently playing?

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"Nope, definitely not. Just a very poor excuse.

I watched cartoons and horror movies with my friends when I was growing up, did me know harm what so ever.

My son plays gta and cod, he's 11. The bullying he would receive at school for not playing these games would have a further reaching effect on him than the actual game!!!

He couldn't hurt anyone anyway, he hates the sight of blood in real life, he would either be sick or pass out!! "

I'm not trying to tell you how to be a parent but those games you listed have a age rating for a reason . At the very least you should be playing said games with your son and talking through the actions said games use in there game play mechanics . I'm sure you would not let your 11 year old watch a adult rated film . Games are very sophisticated now days and yes your 11 year old may enjoy them but my advice would be to play them first yourself especially gta which stereotypes woman in a poor light and is one game I personally would not allow a young impressionable boy to play in all honesty because of how it allows the game player to treat woman with no consequences attached to there actions in the game world .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. I believe the mind would need to be disturbed anyway. Possibly damage/scarring to the pre frontal cortex. For an average person, I doubt there is a correlation between violent video games and being violent. "

I thought lobotimised people tended to be rather placid?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope, definitely not. Just a very poor excuse.

I watched cartoons and horror movies with my friends when I was growing up, did me know harm what so ever.

My son plays gta and cod, he's 11. The bullying he would receive at school for not playing these games would have a further reaching effect on him than the actual game!!!

He couldn't hurt anyone anyway, he hates the sight of blood in real life, he would either be sick or pass out!!

you realise that that shit is blown out of proportion by adults who never played games as a kid and so look on them as adults.

many people now in thier adult years played gta as a young kid themsleves.

gta 3 the first 3d one for instance came out when i was 12 and I played it then.

i didnt do any of the weird shit adults complain about in video games

(especially your point about women, personally I think given the site you have ulterior motive on that point anyway, I mean your fine with the wholesale slaughter of men but upset about female sterotypes? I'll not ruin the plot of the gta games but the female story characters tend to own the male protagonists)

as far as a kid is concerned bra is just a cool light show where they can chain explpsions.

they aren't really interested in the gender politics of the game

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over a year ago

"Nope, definitely not. Just a very poor excuse.

I watched cartoons and horror movies with my friends when I was growing up, did me know harm what so ever.

My son plays gta and cod, he's 11. The bullying he would receive at school for not playing these games would have a further reaching effect on him than the actual game!!!

He couldn't hurt anyone anyway, he hates the sight of blood in real life, he would either be sick or pass out!!

out of curiosity eould you be upset if your kid wanted to play "point blank".

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By *arciocialWoman
over a year ago

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"Nope, definitely not. Just a very poor excuse.

I watched cartoons and horror movies with my friends when I was growing up, did me know harm what so ever.

My son plays gta and cod, he's 11. The bullying he would receive at school for not playing these games would have a further reaching effect on him than the actual game!!!

He couldn't hurt anyone anyway, he hates the sight of blood in real life, he would either be sick or pass out!!

out of curiosity eould you be upset if your kid wanted to play "point blank".

I've never even heard of it?

I'm not upset about games kids want to play, whether computer or playground, I just believe there's a level of responsibility required from both parent and school/other childcare provider.