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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I Dont know I'm supposed to say! I'll be honest.. I'm coming from a warm place.. so if I offend.. please accept my apologies.

I rant and gob off frequently.. but I'm all about equal opportunities and against ALL isms.

I've not come into much contact with the trans community before..

Instead of saying man and woman. When I'm trying to be naturally inclusive in my language.. what FUCKING word do I use that means everyone is happy?

Don't want to be destroyed in a main thread for not being mindful by accident.

Help

Sure I'm not the only one who wanted to ask, sure I'm not the first or last.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I Dont know I'm supposed to say! I'll be honest.. I'm coming from a warm place.. so if I offend.. please accept my apologies.

I rant and gob off frequently.. but I'm all about equal opportunities and against ALL isms.

I've not come into much contact with the trans community before..

Instead of saying man and woman. When I'm trying to be naturally inclusive in my language.. what FUCKING word do I use that means everyone is happy?

Don't want to be destroyed in a main thread for not being mindful by accident.

Help

Sure I'm not the only one who wanted to ask, sure I'm not the first or last."

Or am I fine leaving it as man and woman?

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By *hinypants77Man
over a year ago

Leeds

So sexist. Smh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

Men and women. MTF are women FTM are men. If they're actually transitioning then they are simply correcting their body to what it should have been.

As for those who, like me, dress for pleasure, address them as the gender they are presenting as.

There are a very small number of people out there attempting to create new non-offensive pronouns and equally small numbers who will be offended by absolutely everything.

The vast majority simply want to be addressed as they appear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bored

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So sexist. Smh"

Fuck off is it sexist if I'm trying to understand you prick!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa "

Well to be honest.. that is how I have treated things to date.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Men and women. MTF are women FTM are men. If they're actually transitioning then they are simply correcting their body to what it should have been.

As for those who, like me, dress for pleasure, address them as the gender they are presenting as.

There are a very small number of people out there attempting to create new non-offensive pronouns and equally small numbers who will be offended by absolutely everything.

The vast majority simply want to be addressed as they appear. "

Thankyou xxx Very informative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps "

Ok lots of sarcasm.. you're all very clever.

This is how you help when someone cares enough to ask?

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Just address them by their name. Man or woman, they're still a person and has a name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps

Ok lots of sarcasm.. you're all very clever.

This is how you help when someone cares enough to ask?"

It's not sarcasm if it's true

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa

Well to be honest.. that is how I have treated things to date. "

That's all well and good, till you come to meet a gender neutral person. They don't see themselves as male of female.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Think simply. Men and women - it's unlikely to offend many people. Whilst gender isn't as binary as we've generally been raised to perceive it, addressing someone as the gender they're communicating with you is a reasonable start.

Smiles are always welcome by most people too. And often people don't need labels, if you're introducing yourself etc.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa

Well to be honest.. that is how I have treated things to date.

That's all well and good, till you come to meet a gender neutral person. They don't see themselves as male of female."

If you meet them in a broken lift, try holding your breath until you pass out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just address them by their name. Man or woman, they're still a person and has a name. "

If you know it.

I didn't mean in face to face. or one to one.

I meant as a collective, part of society.. when I'm discussing differences between men and women.. I felt like I was being exclusive.. which I don't want to be.. so I thought I'd ask. luckily.. some early good advice..

followed by someone totally IGNORING my opening bit.. of not having much experience..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa

Well to be honest.. that is how I have treated things to date.

That's all well and good, till you come to meet a gender neutral person. They don't see themselves as male of female."

oh great.. fuck it.. I'm just gonna be friendly to anyone who is friendly to me.. and lick it up as I go along.

Middle finger up and balls dragging to anyone who THINKS I'm anything.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps "

It doesn't really help though, for minorities where that's not indicative of their gender. It sustains the tyranny of the masses.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa "

Are you talking about everyday life or in a swinging sexual context?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Think simply. Men and women - it's unlikely to offend many people. Whilst gender isn't as binary as we've generally been raised to perceive it, addressing someone as the gender they're communicating with you is a reasonable start.

Smiles are always welcome by most people too. And often people don't need labels, if you're introducing yourself etc."

Yes I agree and think I had all that before. I'll leave it at men and women then when comparing sexes in general speak. That's all I wanted clearing up. types of transition, the difficulties that may come with it, how hard it can be to know yourself, confidence and drive to be who you want to be.

I wasn't being sexist. Because I didn't know and I was asking first. I may have been unintentionally before though HANDS UP.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If they identify as a lady then they are a lady. And Vice a versa

Well to be honest.. that is how I have treated things to date.

That's all well and good, till you come to meet a gender neutral person. They don't see themselves as male of female.

If you meet them in a broken lift, try holding your breath until you pass out. "

OP says: Will do.. brutha from another mutha

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?"

I'm tempted to debate you right now on that very subject.

I've a feeling you'll win even though I fight well.. I've blown up too quickly once in the thread already. I'm tired and need sleep.

*slips pistol back in holster. Tips hat in respect. Another day.

Slopes off to bed.

Gnigght Yall

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

I'm tempted to debate you right now on that very subject.

I've a feeling you'll win even though I fight well.. I've blown up too quickly once in the thread already. I'm tired and need sleep.

*slips pistol back in holster. Tips hat in respect. Another day.

Slopes off to bed.

Gnigght Yall"

debate me tomorrow, i like debating.

i know my sex is female, i was born with female genitalia but i don't feel very feminine or masculine, more like an alien. maybe i'm gender neutral?

good night.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Sleep well op

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

I'm tempted to debate you right now on that very subject.

I've a feeling you'll win even though I fight well.. I've blown up too quickly once in the thread already. I'm tired and need sleep.

*slips pistol back in holster. Tips hat in respect. Another day.

Slopes off to bed.

Gnigght Yall

debate me tomorrow, i like debating.

i know my sex is female, i was born with female genitalia but i don't feel very feminine or masculine, more like an alien. maybe i'm gender neutral?

good night."

Not on this subject.. I don't know enough yet.. A true Gunswinger picks his opponents wisely. OP Says: Engage, Learn, Come out Swinging.

G'night x

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By *eliz NelsonMan
over a year ago

The Tantric Tea Shop

Its a disgrace the way they have put their prices up!

Especially the poor service from southern trans!

.

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.Oh crap! Are we talking trans or trains here

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

I'm tempted to debate you right now on that very subject.

I've a feeling you'll win even though I fight well.. I've blown up too quickly once in the thread already. I'm tired and need sleep.

*slips pistol back in holster. Tips hat in respect. Another day.

Slopes off to bed.

Gnigght Yall

debate me tomorrow, i like debating.

i know my sex is female, i was born with female genitalia but i don't feel very feminine or masculine, more like an alien. maybe i'm gender neutral?

good night.

Not on this subject.. I don't know enough yet.. A true Gunswinger picks his opponents wisely. OP Says: Engage, Learn, Come out Swinging.

G'night x "

i only know loads about DNA, love talking about it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its a disgrace the way they have put their prices up!

Especially the poor service from southern trans!

.

.

.Oh crap! Are we talking trans or trains here "

I didn't mean any harm and everyone knows it But I deserve that

OK also says: Expect to wake up with Forum ban for losing your shit Gunswinger.. It's not the Wild West apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?"

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex

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By *hinypants77Man
over a year ago

Leeds


"So sexist. Smh

Fuck off is it sexist if I'm trying to understand you prick!"

Jesus. Keep your tampon in love. Must be the hormones.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex"

you're thinking of allosomes maybe... why yes i am a pedantic dick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get sick of hearing about this shit in work for the wrong reasons! I'm in the forces and we were made to fly the rainbow falg this year; that being a separate issue; in my view the forces (police, army, fire, etc) should be neutral in opinion. Bottom line is the army accepted BGLT years ago and no one bats an eye lie now but the powers that be thought that flying the 'rainbow ' flag would be good for requirement! What we ended up with was a picture of gay middle aged men dressed in leather bondage kit on a two page spread of soldier mag! Where's the diversity in that!!!!! We get too obsessed about upsetting people that we end up being positively sexist!!!

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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i'm leaving this topic until tomorrow now coz i don't want my brain to wake up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex

you're thinking of allosomes maybe... why yes i am a pedantic dick."

An allosome is a type of chromosome, so yea, thanks for pointing that out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get sick of hearing about this shit in work for the wrong reasons! I'm in the forces and we were made to fly the rainbow falg this year; that being a separate issue; in my view the forces (police, army, fire, etc) should be neutral in opinion. Bottom line is the army accepted BGLT years ago and no one bats an eye lie now but the powers that be thought that flying the 'rainbow ' flag would be good for requirement! What we ended up with was a picture of gay middle aged men dressed in leather bondage kit on a two page spread of soldier mag! Where's the diversity in that!!!!! We get too obsessed about upsetting people that we end up being positively sexist!!! "
I apologise for predictive text. Eye lid, recruitment not requirement

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

I'm tempted to debate you right now on that very subject.

I've a feeling you'll win even though I fight well.. I've blown up too quickly once in the thread already. I'm tired and need sleep.

*slips pistol back in holster. Tips hat in respect. Another day.

Slopes off to bed.

Gnigght Yall

debate me tomorrow, i like debating.

i know my sex is female, i was born with female genitalia but i don't feel very feminine or masculine, more like an alien. maybe i'm gender neutral?

good night.

Not on this subject.. I don't know enough yet.. A true Gunswinger picks his opponents wisely. OP Says: Engage, Learn, Come out Swinging.

G'night x

i only know loads about DNA, love talking about it. "

Would be a lovely conversation some time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get sick of hearing about this shit in work for the wrong reasons! I'm in the forces and we were made to fly the rainbow falg this year; that being a separate issue; in my view the forces (police, army, fire, etc) should be neutral in opinion. Bottom line is the army accepted BGLT years ago and no one bats an eye lie now but the powers that be thought that flying the 'rainbow ' flag would be good for requirement! What we ended up with was a picture of gay middle aged men dressed in leather bondage kit on a two page spread of soldier mag! Where's the diversity in that!!!!! We get too obsessed about upsetting people that we end up being positively sexist!!! I apologise for predictive text. Eye lid, recruitment not requirement "

Whatever the typos, still true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex

you're thinking of allosomes maybe... why yes i am a pedantic dick.

An allosome is a type of chromosome, so yea, thanks for pointing that out "

Read an interesting article this week along these lines. It said people who are anorexic think they are fat despite all the physical and biological evidence to the contrary and they are deemed delusional. So why aren't people thinking they are the opposite sex, despite all the physical and biological evidence, deemed to be delusional? In fact their beliefs are being encouraged, with a steep rise in referalls to gender clinics. Some from the age of 5. Even a 3 year old?? I just don't get it. There is a growing number of health professionals worldwide concerned with this trend. But they are just seen as 'right-wing' and non-progressive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps "

Do you carry a chromosome testing kit around with you? Did you ever get yours tested?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps

Do you carry a chromosome testing kit around with you? Did you ever get yours tested?"

Why would I get my own tested?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex

you're thinking of allosomes maybe... why yes i am a pedantic dick.

An allosome is a type of chromosome, so yea, thanks for pointing that out

Read an interesting article this week along these lines. It said people who are anorexic think they are fat despite all the physical and biological evidence to the contrary and they are deemed delusional. So why aren't people thinking they are the opposite sex, despite all the physical and biological evidence, deemed to be delusional? In fact their beliefs are being encouraged, with a steep rise in referalls to gender clinics. Some from the age of 5. Even a 3 year old?? I just don't get it. There is a growing number of health professionals worldwide concerned with this trend. But they are just seen as 'right-wing' and non-progressive."

Good question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as your polite and respectful then that should be fine and once chatting people will say how they like to be addressed.

If people are transitioning then they will probably be referred to in the gender to which they are transitioning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Men and women. MTF are women FTM are men. If they're actually transitioning then they are simply correcting their body to what it should have been.

As for those who, like me, dress for pleasure, address them as the gender they are presenting as.

There are a very small number of people out there attempting to create new non-offensive pronouns and equally small numbers who will be offended by absolutely everything.

The vast majority simply want to be addressed as they appear.

Thankyou xxx Very informative."

Good to ask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say best to politely ask the person to define their gender identity if they haven't already done so on their profile bibliography ....

If people solely rely on the tick box options provided by the site they are in effect helping create confusion and that counts for those writing the profile and those reading the profile...

It's respectful to politely ask and if anyone takes the hump because you did ask ..... well frankly that should tell you everything you need to know about that person .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps

Do you carry a chromosome testing kit around with you? Did you ever get yours tested?

Why would I get my own tested?"

To decide whether you are a man or a woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love it when people just flat out argue with scientific fact. I've got my popcorn out and I'm waiting for the earth is flat bunch to turn up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For fuck's sake! He asked a nice question in a respectful manner. Why do people take the piss all the time on here??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who's taking th P? and who's arguing with scientific facts? Not me.I'm just pointing out that you can't just 'chromosome check' people that you meet. A quick grab between the legs might satisfy your curiosity but it might get you a slap in the face and there are those who say that what they have between their legs is not the decider anyway.

Much easier just to ask a person and take their word for it.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"For fuck's sake! He asked a nice question in a respectful manner. Why do people take the piss all the time on here?? "

Because it's the fab forum , what do you expect ?

Always the same ....

Anyway , back on topic . We address as they appear , so a tv when dressed is a she , obviously a transitioned person from m to f is a she and f to m a he .

A gender neutral , well we have no idea as we've never met one . Wouldn't want to to be honest as it would be way too confusing . If hey appear to be male we would say he rather than it , but would be bound to get it wrong .

People can and will define themselves , and we can totally get that . Where there's no definition it goes beyond our ability to comprehend , so we would avoid the situation .

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

I believe Xe or Ze was being proposed as a reference for the gender neutral but not sure that's going anywhere. That one is much more complex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP, just to clarify, are you talking about ways to address a group of people, without reference to gender?

My preference would be "folks".

If you're asking about pronouns, it's best to default to "they" until told otherwise. In the same way you would if you didn't know their name, what they looked like, what their voice sounded like what clothes they were wearing.

Did anyone read that last sentence and think it was grammatically wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe Xe or Ze was being proposed as a reference for the gender neutral but not sure that's going anywhere. That one is much more complex. "

What's known as "neopronouns". Arguments against them is they're made up words, which is a fallacy, because all words are made up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the biology argument, biology is a lot more controversial and contested than most most people assume.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex

you're thinking of allosomes maybe... why yes i am a pedantic dick.

An allosome is a type of chromosome, so yea, thanks for pointing that out

Read an interesting article this week along these lines. It said people who are anorexic think they are fat despite all the physical and biological evidence to the contrary and they are deemed delusional. So why aren't people thinking they are the opposite sex, despite all the physical and biological evidence, deemed to be delusional? In fact their beliefs are being encouraged, with a steep rise in referalls to gender clinics. Some from the age of 5. Even a 3 year old?? I just don't get it. There is a growing number of health professionals worldwide concerned with this trend. But they are just seen as 'right-wing' and non-progressive.

Good question "

i don't know much about body dysphoria but if you see that someone is not eating and that's because they think they are overweight then they do have a problem. your body needs nutrition to repair itself. even if you are overweight and not getting nutrition you have a problem. and this problem is obvious and can be medically rectified.

now here comes the complicated bit: delving deeper into the more mental side of this -if a person thinks they are overweight and they are deemed not by medical experts then the main people with the problem are medical experts. philosophically i suppose we could add that if a person judges themselves to be something then that is what they feel they are. if others judge them not to be then that is what they are too. going back to psychology we can see that if a person is not eating because they are 'fat', or they think they don't deserve to eat, or are becoming distressed because they think they are fat then here is where medical science can (and probably should) step in.

it is when a person becomes psychologically distressed or unable to function that we step in and try to help them.

so now we should ask ourselves the difference between gender reassignment and anorexia. which is self harm, if either?

anorexia, we believe we should eat and it seems that our body can, and does, fail if not eating becomes out of control. it can cause long term effects to our overall health. we are still studying our bodies at this time because we are able to in more detail now but the side effects from not eating are obvious and well known. it is self harm because it can cause damage to our body, mentally we probably are already damaged if not eating for no apparent physiological reason also.

i don't know a lot about gender reassignment so not sure about the mentality of a person going through that. i'm not sure that making changes to your body, lifestyle, or just your gender, is self harm if this improves your overall mental well being. i'm not sure that it is self harm if you seek out someone medically trained to change your body parts, remove them, etc, because it's unlikely that person will harm you. as for mentally... again i'm not sure if they can harm you that way but i know someone will give a lot of counselling beforehand to make sure they will not.

that's my thoughts on that.

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over a year ago


"If they have (xx) chromosomes then they are a woman, people with (xy) chromosomes are men.

Hope that helps

Do you carry a chromosome testing kit around with you? Did you ever get yours tested?

Why would I get my own tested?

To decide whether you are a man or a woman."

I don't know if you're trying to insult me or actually asking a genuine question but ether way it makes no sense

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over a year ago


"Who's taking th P? and who's arguing with scientific facts? Not me.I'm just pointing out that you can't just 'chromosome check' people that you meet. A quick grab between the legs might satisfy your curiosity but it might get you a slap in the face and there are those who say that what they have between their legs is not the decider anyway.

Much easier just to ask a person and take their word for it."

But it was you who mentioned chromosome checks, no one else

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over a year ago


"Who's taking th P? and who's arguing with scientific facts? Not me.I'm just pointing out that you can't just 'chromosome check' people that you meet. A quick grab between the legs might satisfy your curiosity but it might get you a slap in the face and there are those who say that what they have between their legs is not the decider anyway.

Much easier just to ask a person and take their word for it.

But it was you who mentioned chromosome checks, no one else "

You said you can tell the difference by a persons chromosomes. I just asked how you can know about such a detail without checking. (I presume a blood test is the minimum you'd need to do).

Btw. I'm not trying to insult you.Are you trying to insult me? Calling me out for my weird chromosomes or something?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"chromosomes are just what you're made of. gender is something else, like what's going on in your head.

do we stereotype all people with blue eyes and give them roles based on that, why not if we're basing people on their DNA?

No, chromosomes determine if you are male or female, not whats going on in your head.

If a man or woman wants to identify as a the opposite sex then that's fine, I wish them the best of luck in their new life. But just because they feel they are the opposite sex, it doesn't mean their whole biology has suddenly changed and they are now the opposite sex

you're thinking of allosomes maybe... why yes i am a pedantic dick.

An allosome is a type of chromosome, so yea, thanks for pointing that out

Read an interesting article this week along these lines. It said people who are anorexic think they are fat despite all the physical and biological evidence to the contrary and they are deemed delusional. So why aren't people thinking they are the opposite sex, despite all the physical and biological evidence, deemed to be delusional? In fact their beliefs are being encouraged, with a steep rise in referalls to gender clinics. Some from the age of 5. Even a 3 year old?? I just don't get it. There is a growing number of health professionals worldwide concerned with this trend. But they are just seen as 'right-wing' and non-progressive.

Good question

i don't know much about body dysphoria but if you see that someone is not eating and that's because they think they are overweight then they do have a problem. your body needs nutrition to repair itself. even if you are overweight and not getting nutrition you have a problem. and this problem is obvious and can be medically rectified.

now here comes the complicated bit: delving deeper into the more mental side of this -if a person thinks they are overweight and they are deemed not by medical experts then the main people with the problem are medical experts. philosophically i suppose we could add that if a person judges themselves to be something then that is what they feel they are. if others judge them not to be then that is what they are too. going back to psychology we can see that if a person is not eating because they are 'fat', or they think they don't deserve to eat, or are becoming distressed because they think they are fat then here is where medical science can (and probably should) step in.

it is when a person becomes psychologically distressed or unable to function that we step in and try to help them.

so now we should ask ourselves the difference between gender reassignment and anorexia. which is self harm, if either?

anorexia, we believe we should eat and it seems that our body can, and does, fail if not eating becomes out of control. it can cause long term effects to our overall health. we are still studying our bodies at this time because we are able to in more detail now but the side effects from not eating are obvious and well known. it is self harm because it can cause damage to our body, mentally we probably are already damaged if not eating for no apparent physiological reason also.

i don't know a lot about gender reassignment so not sure about the mentality of a person going through that. i'm not sure that making changes to your body, lifestyle, or just your gender, is self harm if this improves your overall mental well being. i'm not sure that it is self harm if you seek out someone medically trained to change your body parts, remove them, etc, because it's unlikely that person will harm you. as for mentally... again i'm not sure if they can harm you that way but i know someone will give a lot of counselling beforehand to make sure they will not.

that's my thoughts on that."

Quite right, I'm all for gender reassignment if people believe that they is what they need. However, i don't see why the tax payer should pay for it when other surgeries and treatments are being cancelled.

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over a year ago


"Who's taking th P? and who's arguing with scientific facts? Not me.I'm just pointing out that you can't just 'chromosome check' people that you meet. A quick grab between the legs might satisfy your curiosity but it might get you a slap in the face and there are those who say that what they have between their legs is not the decider anyway.

Much easier just to ask a person and take their word for it.

But it was you who mentioned chromosome checks, no one else

You said you can tell the difference by a persons chromosomes. I just asked how you can know about such a detail without checking. (I presume a blood test is the minimum you'd need to do).

Btw. I'm not trying to insult you.Are you trying to insult me? Calling me out for my weird chromosomes or something? "

Well first off I never said I can tell the difference based on their on chromosomes, I merely stated what chromosomes men and women have. Read it again, sure it will make sense.

I don't know what you mean by weird chromosomes and at this point I'm no longer interested since you seem to just want to read what you want and not what's in front of you

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over a year ago

I'll pop back when the DNA chat starts

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"Quite right, I'm all for gender reassignment if people believe that they is what they need. However, i don't see why the tax payer should pay for it when other surgeries and treatments are being cancelled. "

that's a different topic from what i was discussing but my thoughts on this are if people are mentally distressed i think, ideally, they should be helped with that.

and ideally all who need help should be helped too.

what i'm talking about might be feasible, might not. but i don't begrudge anyone any help. but i don't pay much taxes so that maybe why.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"I'll pop back when the DNA chat starts "

i cba now.

thinking about it there's not enough research done into how our DNA affects us mentally. most of what is 'known' isn't even proven but are interesting hypothesis all the same.

i also have my own personal thoughts on epigenetics. and although i do know how proteins can change DNA and switch on epigentics i do wonder if we know enough to know what is actually being switched on.

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