FabSwingers.com forum: 4 years for incitement to riot?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

.. is that too severe for the two men who used Facebook to incite riots in Northwich and Warrington?

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By *elsh_lass74Woman
over a year ago

South Wales

Not at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that all?

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

They'll only serve half or so! So not enough IMHO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely not long enough. As the previous poster says,they will be out in two years. When they come out will they be reformed? We doubt it !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is that all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no, and all the other idiots who responded to similar calls should be given a minimum of that, and if they get out early they should be made to serve the rest of their sentance doing community payback, might teach the scumbags a lesson!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely not long enough. As the previous poster says,they will be out in two years. When they come out will they be reformed? We doubt it !!!

No they will have learned lots of lovely new skills from their fellow inmates that they can use (inflict) in the outside world, aren't we lucky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no, and all the other idiots who responded to similar calls should be given a minimum of that, and if they get out early they should be made to serve the rest of their sentance doing community payback, might teach the scumbags a lesson!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

give everyone involved minimum of 4 years, make them all think twice about doing it again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

although i would be in favour of putting all rioters in high vis tops with rioter emblazened on them and made to clear up and rebuild the areas they ruined especially if with a custodial sentance as well, maybe even teaching any without jobs a trade while doing it so they can become productive members of society eventually

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IMHO, one should take responsibilities of his/her own actions, regardless of external influence.

However, I appreciate such an opinion could be flawed when the person lacks the ability to think/behave in a rational manner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no

Nice idea.

Unlikely, but nice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no

Nice idea.

Unlikely, but nice."

i know sadly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".. is that too severe for the two men who used Facebook to incite riots in Northwich and Warrington?"
Tripple it and then I would say maybe a little harsh. People who incite Riots, Violence and Terror deserve to be taught a lesson its about time this country takes a tougher stance against this sort of mindless shite

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

Fully agree with the sentence.

But already, the Civil Liberties and Penal rights do-gooders are bleating about how harsh the sentences are!

Why do they wish to protect scumbags such as these guys?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fully agree with the sentence.

But already, the Civil Liberties and Penal rights do-gooders are bleating about how harsh the sentences are!

Why do they wish to protect scumbags such as these guys?

Because they have to have a reason to exist. They'll soon find their funding cut if they aren't seen to be active.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Four years is too harsh, when people get less than that for murder,beating up old people and MP for stealing our money through expences.ie for example serving six weeks in a cushy jail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont think its too harsh however there have been many others using facebook for inciting hate and anti-social behaviour (the EDL) who havent been penalised at all, the rules need to be more consistent and not just knee jerk reaction to recent events.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

It is not too harsh.

Think of the possible consequences of their actions. Death. Destruction.

Incitement is and should be punishable.

If this is knee jerk reaction I want spiders trained as judges now!

I need appeasing and tutting won't do it ... short of drawing blood I want them punished to the nth.

Lighting the blue touchpaper and standing back still sets off the firework.

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By *eeking Maid MarianMan
over a year ago

Sherwood Forest N Notts

I commend the MAgistrates who've taken the decision to actually punish these idiots.

For many years now, too many criminals have had their fingers "rapped" almost apologetically, before being sent home with their tails between their legs, many escaping custodial sentences.

I just saw video footage of someone riding through some rioters and, from behind, with no warning was violently dragged off their scooter.

Another lout then stole the scooter whilst yet another dragged the rider away by his/her helmet.

I would seriously consider bringing back "the birch". The "birch" kept law and order in the Isle of Man until it was abolished. The immediate increase in criminal activity that followed the ban....just a co-incidence??? I think NOT!!

I hope that significant sentences and mandatory, high-profile community work are dished-out in the coming weeks as the guilty parties are identified and convicted.

As a result of these sentences, arguably too soft in the eyes of many, I would hope that "bar is raised" across the board for sentencing in general.

Pheeeeew!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No"

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

While im at it. Lot's of the avatars on here are bloody criminal.

One year at least !

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By *ex.IncCouple
over a year ago

Castleford

"Four years is too harsh, when people get less than that for murder,beating up old people and MP for stealing our money through expences.ie for example serving six weeks in a cushy jail."

In a way i agree, even rapists dont get that long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"While im at it. Lot's of the avatars on here are bloody criminal.

One year at least !"

sorry granny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think all violent crime and disorder should be dealt with by people who know all about violence - the military - see if these tough looters and rioters feel like smashing up helmland whilst being shot at!

Not sure we could afford the nappies when they all shit themselves though

The root of this disorder is that there are no consequences for their actions - tbe first 50 that got conscripted as a punishment would stop this overnight you only have to watch bad lads army to see how these people respond once they are given rails to run on - half of them sign up to join the army at the end of it as it's the first place they have had any direction in life.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

It may not be harsh in isolation, but it is disproportionate in relation to sentencing for other crimes.

Those of you advocating longer sentences are I'm sure aware of the non-capacity of our prisons, and are therefore petitioning your local MP to have a new prison erected in your town.

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By *ldestswingerintownMan
over a year ago

Lancaster

yeah great - train them to kill, have them in the army for a few years - then put them back into civvy street - to do what, exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yeah great - train them to kill, have them in the army for a few years - then put them back into civvy street - to do what, exactly?"

Also teaches them self respect - respect for others & self discipline so I'm hoping that some of that training might help them not kill everyone as soon as they get out.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Four years is too harsh, when people get less than that for murder,beating up old people and MP for stealing our money through expences.ie for example serving six weeks in a cushy jail.

In a way i agree, even rapists dont get that long."

Instead of moaning that this sentance was too harsh maybe this should spark a review into all sentences!!

People now a days aren't bothered about going to jail because they know they'll get out early etc

This is just another case of damned if you do damned if you don't for the magistrates!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Four years is too harsh, when people get less than that for murder,beating up old people and MP for stealing our money through expences.ie for example serving six weeks in a cushy jail.

In a way i agree, even rapists dont get that long.

Instead of moaning that this sentance was too harsh maybe this should spark a review into all sentences!!

People now a days aren't bothered about going to jail because they know they'll get out early etc

This is just another case of damned if you do damned if you don't for the magistrates!"

Common sense at last. No, the sentences were not overly harsh considering what these two were trying to do, but yes, they seem harsh in light of lesser sentences handed out for more serious crimes.

So, as Evesham says, a review of all sentencing should be conducted and the softly, softly approach of recent years should be brushed aside in favour of far less lenient sentences and a total scrapping of the parole system.

I also think there should be an end to the 50% reduction in sentencing simply for pleading guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those of you advocating longer sentences are I'm sure aware of the non-capacity of our prisons, and are therefore petitioning your local MP to have a new prison erected in your town.

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By *ldestswingerintownMan
over a year ago

Lancaster

there's been a lot of research - in fact, a huge amount of research - done on public attitudes to sentencing. What happens is that people are told about offences, with all sorts of variations, and are asked what are appropriate sentences. Looking at the results of this research overall, it seems that actual sentences are widely in line with public opinion, and indeed sometimes a bit more severe.

The results of this research informs the judiciary, and sentencing in many respects reflects this.

Sadly, events like the "riots" changes public opinion - but only temporarily,

but sentencing has to be consistent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"give everyone involved minimum of 4 years, make them all think twice about doing it again

Forced to do National Service they will deffo come out differant ppl... i belive national service should be brought back any way from the age of 18 for 4 years min, Would the country be any worse off if they did this ???

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"there's been a lot of research - in fact, a huge amount of research - done on public attitudes to sentencing. What happens is that people are told about offences, with all sorts of variations, and are asked what are appropriate sentences. Looking at the results of this research overall, it seems that actual sentences are widely in line with public opinion, and indeed sometimes a bit more severe.

The results of this research informs the judiciary, and sentencing in many respects reflects this.

Sadly, events like the "riots" changes public opinion - but only temporarily,

but sentencing has to be consistent.

I'd like to know where they surveyed these people etc. Research is all well and good but I think some amount of salt pinching is required when analysing it without reading the whole report!

I for one am addicted to.watching police shows and am appalled at the lack.of punishment people on these shows get!!

Fact is policing and in turn the magistrates etc have had their powers reduced more and more under different legislation and so certain elements of society have no respect for the law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The results of this research informs the judiciary, and sentencing in many respects reflects this.

Sadly, events like the "riots" changes public opinion - but only temporarily,

but sentencing has to be consistent.

I'd like to know where they surveyed these people etc. Research is all well and good but I think some amount of salt pinching is required when analysing it without reading the whole report!

I for one am addicted to.watching police shows and am appalled at the lack.of punishment people on these shows get!!

Fact is policing and in turn the magistrates etc have had their powers reduced more and more under different legislation and so certain elements of society have no respect for the law "

But yet there covered by the "human rights" what about the rights of the ppl that are effected by the offense that they commit?

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"give everyone involved minimum of 4 years, make them all think twice about doing it again

They have this in poland, it's comanly known as a "Hole in your cv" where you gained, learnt feck all.

Personaly give them the time to be served in Cardiff prison, that place is a shit hole.. hope they enjoy siting thier 3/4 of the sentance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends how you look at it, We have all seen rapists, pedophiles and murderers get much less ... For the riots (Not the people who got hurt etc) i would say that burning a building or looting a business is much less severe than a child going missing or someone being raped... So i agree with the sentence but it makes you think these guys would have been better off to go out and hurt someone and get less time indside .... Stupid!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The 17 year old sentenced for the silly comments he made on facebook about starting a riot has been given community service. Fair play.

He has a longer sentence to serve though. His mother is said to be absolutely furious at his stupidity and has no sympathy. I reckon a mothers disapproval carries a life sentence.

I'm a bit tired of the liberals bleating at the harshness of punishments or the parents in Manchester of the 11 year old in who said he was 'innocent'. Yes innocently looting and bricking windows.

So if parents think its wrong and their loved ones get everything they deserve its a start because thats level headed parenting and brings hope that lessons might be learned.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Well now let me think for a nanosecond…. NO it wasn’t too harsh.

I don’t care if their efforts didn’t result in a riot…. they tried to start one. They were encouraging people to turn up, steel and destroy property, safety and lives. It matters not that the police managed to foil their plans before any damage was done.

If the police stopped someone all tooled up trying to break into your granny’s house before they got in, would you want them to have the same level of punishment as they would get if they had got in, robbed her blind, beat her up and took a shit in her sink?

Whether they were successful or not, I don’t care. They were well aware of the potential devastation of what they were trying to do…. and the intent is undeniable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The lasting image we've seen from the riots was of the woman jumping from the 1st floor window of her flat because it was on fire. Had that avenue of escape not been open to her she would have perished in the flames.

Those two on facebook probably never considered the full consequences of what they were inciting others to do, and, had it gone off, who knows who would have been caught in the flames. A child maybe, who couldn't open a window and jump from it?

Now they have 4 years to reflect on their stupidity, but I strongly suspect they'll appeal successfully, and after 6 months inside they'll be released for time served, which is better than nothing I suppose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".. is that too severe for the two men who used Facebook to incite riots in Northwich and Warrington?"
NO

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Not at all and i find it hysterically funny that people are actually complaining about it being to long.

Everyone wants something done about it and the minute someone comes down hard and fast there is complaints

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given the way they went about the 'incitement to riot' they're guilty of massive stupidity.

as wishy said they didn't give the possible consequences too much thought.

Its not a popular answer but given some ridiculous sentences I've seen dished out in the past for violent crimes I feel 4 years was a tad excessive for what is essentially a victimless crime

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By *uckscouple2007Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

".. is that too severe for the two men who used Facebook to incite riots in Northwich and Warrington?"

nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will it be a deterrent to others from doing the same ...possibly...

Prolly a factor in the sentencing, tho thats irrational, when all sentencing should be a deterrent...

The sentence isn`t proportionate to other crimes ...

Ah well...if yer can`t do the time...don`t do the crime..

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Given the way they went about the 'incitement to riot' they're guilty of massive stupidity.

as wishy said they didn't give the possible consequences too much thought.

Its not a popular answer but given some ridiculous sentences I've seen dished out in the past for violent crimes I feel 4 years was a tad excessive for what is essentially a victimless crime"

Is it really a victimless crime... when police resources had to be diverted to the planned meeting point (at the back of Maccie D’s) to deter any trouble starting and where not able to be elsewhere dealing with other crime?

May be there were no direct victims…. but what about indirectly?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

No it's not too severe, and I don't think that the concerns of many groups is the severity of the sentence, it is the severity of the sentence when compared to many other sentences handed out for actually taking part in the riots....and not just talking about rioting.

What it highlights is the inconsistency when it comes to sentencing by judges and magistrates in general.

What is emerging from the court cases held so far is the wildly fluctuating sentences that have been handed out.

Maybe this will at long last lead to a wide ranging review of prison sentencing full stop, then we may avoid such ridiculous inconsistencies as we have seen over the riot punishments.

Younger judges may well be the answer we are looking for in our judical system?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody light if ya ask me

Ten years minimum for anyone involved in any way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bloody light if ya ask me

Ten years minimum for anyone involved in any way

Agreed!

In ten years the amount that can be rebuilt (for a fraction of the cost; prisons pay fuck all!) is substantial. They will have a home, a job and possibly an active sex life all paid for by the tax payer. So basically what they had before... Except maybe a learning of not to do it again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Four years is too harsh, when people get less than that for murder,beating up old people and MP for stealing our money through expences.ie for example serving six weeks in a cushy jail."

I have found the sentencing so far inconsistent: but no change there then. Four years for inciting a riot where no one turned up whilst those actively taking part receiving suspended sentences only confirms to me why capital punishment shouldn't be reintroduced in this country.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The Chief Constable of Kent reckoned the other day that up to 15,000 people were rioting in London alone on the second evening of disruption (In his attempt to justify their initial slow response).

So that's a minimum of 10 years for each of those, multiplied by 15,000 offenders.....I make that 150,000 prison years.

Who is going to pay for all these new prisons to hold these clowns?

I don't want any increases in my taxes to pay for that thanks very much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's about time the govenment got hard on crime. Well done for once. Why stop there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Chief Constable of Kent reckoned the other day that up to 15,000 people were rioting in London alone on the second evening of disruption (In his attempt to justify their initial slow response).

So that's a minimum of 10 years for each of those, multiplied by 15,000 offenders.....I make that 150,000 prison years.

Who is going to pay for all these new prisons to hold these clowns?

I don't want any increases in my taxes to pay for that thanks very much."

Good point. However they wont be able to convict everyone. But hypothetically it is costly at first.

Capital punishment or national service anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Chief Constable of Kent reckoned the other day that up to 15,000 people were rioting in London alone on the second evening of disruption (In his attempt to justify their initial slow response).

So that's a minimum of 10 years for each of those, multiplied by 15,000 offenders.....I make that 150,000 prison years.

Who is going to pay for all these new prisons to hold these clowns?

I don't want any increases in my taxes to pay for that thanks very much."

True so it's a no win situation then ?

Tag em and curfew em fa ten years then

With condition that if they reoffend in that time they get 20 years simples xx

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Hard on Crime....Yes

But for ALL crime, not just the crime that makes the biggest headlines in the tabloids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

4 years fo starting a facebook group when you have no previous convictions and no links to gangs and therefore arguably not the connections to organise anything is a ridiculous over-reaction. Yes they should have been punished but this is a joke. But then again this status: "Guess the sentence for this facebook status update: "I think we should start rioting, it's about time we stopped the authorities pushing us about and ruining this country. It's about time we stood up for ourselves for once. So come on rioters – get some. LOL." resulted in 120 hours community service, a curfew and a rehabilitation order - and that appears just for (undeniably stupidly) condoning the riots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hard on Crime....Yes

But for ALL crime, not just the crime that makes the biggest headlines in the tabloids.

Yep fully agreed always have

The thread is about the riots though xx

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"The Chief Constable of Kent reckoned the other day that up to 15,000 people were rioting in London alone on the second evening of disruption (In his attempt to justify their initial slow response).

So that's a minimum of 10 years for each of those, multiplied by 15,000 offenders.....I make that 150,000 prison years.

Who is going to pay for all these new prisons to hold these clowns?

I don't want any increases in my taxes to pay for that thanks very much.

True so it's a no win situation then ?

Tag em and curfew em fa ten years then

With condition that if they reoffend in that time they get 20 years simples xx"

Most sensible suggestion I have seen yet...tag and curfew those that have been found guilty of the lesser charges.

For those who have been found guilty of physical violence, arson, etc. mandatory Prison sentences....but some sense of consistency in the sentences, because seeing a young guy sentenced to Six months imprisonment for carrying two bottles of R Whites lemonade along Addington Road (couldn't prove he had paid for them) when an MP recently got Four months imprisonment for fiddling £36,000 of expenses (at OUR expense) just got my back up....

We need to sack all our Crown Court judges and start again.....and make sure they are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Hard on Crime....Yes

But for ALL crime, not just the crime that makes the biggest headlines in the tabloids.

Yep fully agreed always have

The thread is about the riots though xx"

It is about the riots I agree.....but crime is crime, you can't have special sentencing for 'Crime of the Month'.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Write or wrong, people need to be aware of what they say online....get annoyed by a troll and threaten them with physical harm, bang goes your life as you end up in jail.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Too harsh.

Why not do what a load of MP's fiddling their expenses got away with.

"Give it back and we'll call it quits, eh?"

The day politico's and their cronies get the same treatment i'll dance naked through the streets of your town. That'll stop 'em rioting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd forgotten about the MP who claimed on his expenses for the petrol to burn down his local shop and his neighbours flat!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Too harsh.

Why not do what a load of MP's fiddling their expenses got away with.

"Give it back and we'll call it quits, eh?"

The day politico's and their cronies get the same treatment i'll dance naked through the streets of your town. That'll stop 'em rioting. "

We'll need a bloody big goods inwards department for all those returned 50" LCD TV's....

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

oops, wrong thread.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I'd forgotten about the MP who claimed on his expenses for the petrol to burn down his local shop and his neighbours flat!

But they weren't all arsonists were they?

It would have been bigger than the Great Fire of London if they had of been....most were just thieves by the second night.

The murderers and arsonists were the minority....they need long prison sentences, but how can a £40 pair of Adidas trainers be seen to be more of a crime than £36,000 worth of fiddled taxpayers money?

It's about making examples of ALL criminals....not just the ones that are the freshest in the publics minds this week.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

It's about making examples of ALL criminals....not just the ones that are the freshest in the publics minds this week."

And you only want to get rid of the Crown Court judges. Rethink needed.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

It's about making examples of ALL criminals....not just the ones that are the freshest in the publics minds this week.

And you only want to get rid of the Crown Court judges. Rethink needed. "

I was going to start with them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok here's a twist that comes to mind.... what should the law do about Duncan Banatyne? (cue amusing retorts!) he recently twittered a 25K reward for tracking down the scumbag attempting to blackmail his daughter.... or 50K if said scumbag was brought to justice with 2 broken arms...

if incitement to riot via a posting gets 4 years, what about incitement to track down and physically harm an individual....? (punishment so far is a bity of extra publicity for Mr B and an 'oops, that was silly of me!' apology)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I competely agree with the sentances

However I think the parents who are identifying their children and forcing them to the police station deserve a special mention,

Harsh but fair love

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"The Chief Constable of Kent reckoned the other day that up to 15,000 people were rioting in London alone on the second evening of disruption (In his attempt to justify their initial slow response).

So that's a minimum of 10 years for each of those, multiplied by 15,000 offenders.....I make that 150,000 prison years.

Who is going to pay for all these new prisons to hold these clowns?

I don't want any increases in my taxes to pay for that thanks very much.

Good point. However they wont be able to convict everyone. But hypothetically it is costly at first.

Capital punishment or national service anyone?"

thats the point for me unless they cut the cost of keeping a prisoner locked up currently £40,000 pa.us innocent taxpayers are going to get fleeced again ,it costs every taxpayer an additional £400 pa per extra 10,000 prisoners.I loved the orange suit idea with em clearing up and forced to apologise tbh ,bring back birching and the stocks and that will do for me,fuck the cushy 8 ball and gym sessions at her majesties pleasure.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"the stocks and that will do for me,fuck the cushy 8 ball and gym sessions at her majesties pleasure."

jeez, her majesty, eight balls and fuck in the same sentence has sent me into a right spin i can tell you. all one would need is uniforms.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"ok here's a twist that comes to mind.... what should the law do about Duncan Banatyne? (cue amusing retorts!) he recently twittered a 25K reward for tracking down the scumbag attempting to blackmail his daughter.... or 50K if said scumbag was brought to justice with 2 broken arms...

Good point. Retribution is worse than the initial offence.

Wonder what the cops would do if it was reported?

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"the stocks and that will do for me,fuck the cushy 8 ball and gym sessions at her majesties pleasure.

jeez, her majesty, eight balls and fuck in the same sentence has sent me into a right spin i can tell you. all one would need is uniforms. "

tut and you not even showing as bi curious

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

I bet the guy who got, what was it, 15 months, for threatening to blow up Robin Hood Airport is glad he didnt incite folks to nick their water bottles.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Four years is too harsh, when people get less than that for murder,beating up old people and MP for stealing our money through expences.ie for example serving six weeks in a cushy jail."

not sure about less than 4 years for murder, manslaughter perhaps..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The Chief Constable of Kent reckoned the other day that up to 15,000 people were rioting in London alone on the second evening of disruption (In his attempt to justify their initial slow response)."

I followed the rioting all the way through that week and most areas were reporting groups of 100 people rioting, so to account for 15,000 rioters on the second night there would have had to have been 150 different boroughs of London up in arms.

I think not.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Well when they finally get around to having the inevitable public enquiry you can report back to the enquiry panel with your personal hoodie headcount.....who said CCTV was a waste of money?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well when they finally get around to having the inevitable public enquiry you can report back to the enquiry panel with your personal hoodie headcount.....who said CCTV was a waste of money?"

Whatever the figure turns out to be I'd bet a year's salary it's nowhere near 15,000. That just sounds like a cop out, literally.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Well they are curently on 2,600 arrests in London and they reckon they have a lot more to catch up with....surely they can't be arresting innocent people?....Hold on Jane, they need to justify that they should be immune from the cuts....So on second thoughts scrap my nieve comment on them surely not arresting innocent people....phew!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you ask me, it isnt long enough, will ony do 2 years max

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Living in hackney and being quite literally a few hundred metres away from the riotting I can tell you kn ow that the damage caused over that area was a hell of a lot more than 100 people. A 1000 would probably be nearer the mark but still be a conservative estimate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its ott, for something that never took place, never materialised, wallop the ones who truely created and took part, its a bit like getting the speeding ticket for doing 43mph, stood at the roadside with the police as others woosh by doing 60mph, justice but the rest that are worse must be sniggering at them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its ott, for something that never took place, never materialised, wallop the ones who truely created and took part, its a bit like getting the speeding ticket for doing 43mph, stood at the roadside with the police as others woosh by doing 60mph, justice but the rest that are worse must be sniggering at them.

they are not charged with the riot, notice the word "intention".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heard one of them got a £2000 fine with two years interest free credit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they are not charged with the riot, notice the word "intention"."

Noticed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok, carry on judging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they are not charged with the riot, notice the word "intention".

Noticed"

ooops, you didn't notice my wrong word ... should have been "incitement".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that these idiots should be severely punished and yes lots of people would say send them away for years. It costs this country over £30000 per year to keep one of these people in prison ( as per Howard League for penal reform). Lets tag them and as said earlier put them in high vis jackets that they have to wear everytime they go out so people know what they have done and let them work to rebuild the community they have tried to destroy (at minimum wage of course) then they will not even be costing us the dole money they all want to claim

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they are not charged with the riot, notice the word "intention".

Noticed

ooops, you didn't notice my wrong word ... should have been "incitement".

Nope, leave that to the spelling police, one will be along shortly to deal with you,,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I agree that these idiots should be severely punished and yes lots of people would say send them away for years. It costs this country over £30000 per year to keep one of these people in prison ( as per Howard League for penal reform). Lets tag them and as said earlier put them in high vis jackets that they have to wear everytime they go out so people know what they have done and let them work to rebuild the community they have tried to destroy (at minimum wage of course) then they will not even be costing us the dole money they all want to claim

Incarceration isn't just about how much it costs to keep someone incarcerated. The safety the general public feel knowing that criminals are locked up where they belong is incalculable and our society stands or falls on it's ability to co-exist with each other within the realms of a common set of laws designed specifically to ensure that we all know the penalties for transgressing them.

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By *reasured heARTSCouple
over a year ago

STOCKPORT

These Gangs have to be stamped out otherwise say goodbye to an orderly fair society never mind 4 years, 5 years would have been better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

rock on bouncy..exactly what we would suggest too...all of them ,make them do the labouring in bright clothes whilst all the damage is repaired.....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"While im at it. Lot's of the avatars on here are bloody criminal.

One year at least !

sorry granny

Not yours. LUV your frock .....

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By *axspeedMan
over a year ago

Telford

Sending there idiots to jail is expensive. Not all of them are penniless. Why not make them pay for the cost of living in prison. Take their liberty as well as their money!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

make them work in their vis jacket TAG them so they cant go out unless they are working take the cost of the tag out of their wages win win all round they put back into society whilst the rest of the country is protected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nope longer

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Why not:-

Beat them.

Skin them.

Skint them.

Starve them.

Work them.

Thirst them.

Jail them.

Forget them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why not:-

Beat them.

Skin them.

Skint them.

Starve them.

Work them.

Thirst them.

Jail them.

Forget them.

You've been watching too much Catch The Pigeon.

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