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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

At what point do you report a neighbour for potential child abuse? Not sexual, more excessive beatings?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Straightaway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As soon as it happens and keep on reporting

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"As soon as it happens and keep on reporting"

Tell the police too, and if it's still on going in September, tell their school.

Also gather evidence in any way possible.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"As soon as it happens and keep on reporting

Tell the police too, and if it's still on going in September, tell their school.

Also gather evidence in any way possible."

They're too young for school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As soon as it happens and keep on reporting

Tell the police too, and if it's still on going in September, tell their school.

Also gather evidence in any way possible."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now today immediately this instant..

Ffs are you prepared to sit there and do nothing if a child is being beaten or abused in any other way

If your worried about becoming a target call social services and tell them you will not give you own name but ffs just go and report it..

Children hurting

children dying..

Where is the love...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop asking and do it now.

Gotta be intervened on right this minute. x

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By *layful meMan
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

right now call the police to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As soon as you suspect, it's then up to them to gather evidence or dismiss it. X

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that."

Grow a fking pair...!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that.

Grow a fking pair...!

This really isn't helpful at all . In fairness the guy could have just stayed quiet , instead he asked for advice and then gets jumped on

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that.

Grow a fking pair...!

Thanks for the support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that."

It is very difficult when you live on a council estate, I've been there and I've reported a neighbour!

Don't forget that there are lots of other neighbours who could also have reported them.

Get and do it anonymously, they will never find out.

Social services may already be aware and your call could be the one that makes them do something about it!

Well done op to have a conscience enough to want to do something about it.

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

Instantly... you can get the number by googling children's social services for your area.

I used to work in safeguarding for west mids and hertfordshire.

No referral is a wrong referral. If you can get evidence without getting caught then do it. If not, there may be physical marks on the children for social to see or other signs e.g. Frequent visits to hospitals. Multiple house moves, malnutrition, lack of food in the house, dirty/unhygienic living conditions etc.

There are multiple things that can alert social services to suspect abuse, and there are lots of different types of abuse apart from physical.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that."

Never applies when protecting children... but even if it did, rather me than the child.

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that.

Grow a fking pair...!

Thanks for the support. "

You don't have to give your name... when you ring social services they will ask for your name but you are allowed to say that you would rather it be anonymous.

The only thing that is necessary for you to give them is your phone number as the case worker may need to contact you back for further information.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

That's a very serious thing to report.

Are you 100% certain?

If yes then I would report it as if anything happened you would never forgive yourself.

No-one in their right mind would accuse you of being a " snitch" for potential child abuse.

But I personally would make sure I am certain first.

Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Instantly... you can get the number by googling children's social services for your area.

I used to work in safeguarding for west mids and hertfordshire.

There are multiple things that can alert social services to suspect abuse, and there are lots of different types of abuse apart from physical."

This ! I also used to work in Safeguarding. There is a referral pathway that will kick in as soon as you make the call. You can do it anonymously , it won't mean that your concerns are taken any less seriously. It may well be that you aren't the first person to have raised concerns, but if you are it could be the first vital step in protecting children at risk .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I live on the biggest council estate in Europe. If I reported a neighbour for anything they wouldn't have a clue it was me.

If someone had enough evidence that a child was being regularly beaten they should report it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its not so easy living on a council estate. "Snitches get stitches" and all that.

Grow a fking pair...!

This really isn't helpful at all . In fairness the guy could have just stayed quiet , instead he asked for advice and then gets jumped on "

Then I suggest you read my first post on this where I clearly suggest it can and should be reported anonymously.

Further does anyone need to come on fab for basic morality advice and on what to do if a child is in any pain hurt or danger...

My comment was a clear reply to a whiny what if they find out it's me post put up by OP

Put bluntly what happens if the child dies...anyone here want to live with that knowing they may have prevented it...

Walking away from this thread ..i will just get in more trouble here...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this a serious post?

If it is, then make that phone call.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be very surprised if the OP lived on a Council Estate.

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

"That's a very serious thing to report.

Are you 100% certain?

If yes then I would report it as if anything happened you would never forgive yourself.

No-one in their right mind would accuse you of being a " snitch" for potential child abuse.

But I personally would make sure I am certain first.

Good luck"

Incorrect.. you should report your suspicions, like I said, no referral is a wrong referral. If social investigate and find nothing wrong then there will not be any interventions made and the case would be dropped. Where as if ur suspicions are correct or social find something else wrong they can offer support to the family if required or in some cases take more extreme action.

A lot of people think that a referral to social services directly results in the kids being removed this is not the case. And has never been the case. in the majority of cases social first try to provide additional support to potentially struggling families

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what point do you report a neighbour for potential child abuse? Not sexual, more excessive beatings?"

The moment yr concerned!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this a serious post?

If it is, then make that phone call.

This!!!!!! Seriously!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I live in a block of flats with other blocks close by.

A few years ago, one morning, I could hear screams coming from a flat in another block.

I could see other people from other blocks looking out of their windows to see what was happening.

As soon as I was informed that a child was in the flat where the argument was coming from I called 999.

It ended up with police in riot gear and ambulances being called. I saw them passing as I went to work.

Those who had heard the disturbance didn't want to get involved but stayed to watch the people being led out by the police even though they had children who they should have been taking to school.

People like that make me sick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a child is in immediate danger ring the police or duty social worker. Living on a council estate is no excuse. When it comes to child protection doing nothing is NEVER an option.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"As soon as you suspect, it's then up to them to gather evidence or dismiss it. X "

Best thing said so far. Worst case scenario is your wrong if you report. You dont want to imagine the worst case scenario if your right and say nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Immediately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a father of 3 and living somewhere where there was a high profile case of child abuse that eventually led to a little boys death please report even if you think you might be wrong at least you will have the peace of mind that you did everything in your power to help you could be the saviour that child needs right now OP

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Is this a serious post?

If it is, then make that phone call.

this and ditto..

OP are you that naive to not know that in the world that criminals live in there is no one lower than a child abuser so 'snitches get stitches' has no relevance..?

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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

If you think a kid is in danger, then call. Do it anonymously. Set the ball rolling. Many areas now use restorative working practices, where the whole family is involved, parental training is given, support is provided to help the family unit work, rather than taking the child. Bit someone has to make that first call.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"Is this a serious post?

If it is, then make that phone call.

this and ditto..

OP are you that naive to not know that in the world that criminals live in there is no one lower than a child abuser so 'snitches get stitches' has no relevance..?

Well this is what i thought. But then i always wondered why the 3 families who's homes actually physically touch the problem property have never raised the issue. Yet i can hear it occurring 40 metres away.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Is this a serious post?

If it is, then make that phone call.

this and ditto..

OP are you that naive to not know that in the world that criminals live in there is no one lower than a child abuser so 'snitches get stitches' has no relevance..?

You won't know that they already have, social services won't share such info with the public..

in all likelihood they may already be aware but i would still contact them..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this a serious post?

If it is, then make that phone call.

I can't tell if this is serious either. I usually assume everything the OP posts is a joke in some way...it's so hard to tell with him (sorry OP).

Anyway, if it's serious then I'd say to only call when you know absolutely that it's abuse. When I was a kid child services got called on my parents by a family therapist who was meant to be helping us. We didn't get taken away (my parents weren't abusive in that sense), but it really fucked with me for a long time. These issues can be really complex and child services investigations that aren't successful can hurt the children mentally. At least in my experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instantly and anonymously if needed, 100% my line of work xx

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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go the police first, never go the SS first and expect them to do anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Police only have powers to instantly remove children, this family may need support and help not the child ripped from them, no one knows the underlying issues

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

So which agency to report to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Local duty social worker, there will be an option to report a child at risk

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

"So which agency to report to?"

Police only if you can physically see the abuse happening right now

Otherwise children's social services for your area

For all those saying they don't do anything, that is incorrect, they do. They do it in the right way.

They will potentially action for themselves and police to attend together today

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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my experience, and a few others round here, was they pass you onto NSPCC, but the NSPCC say it's a SS matter. it could just be my area though. but neither of them want to get involved and say it's the others responsibility.

will be interesting to find out what happens, unless nobody takes responsibility then it will be shit and justify why i hate humans.

try SS then clem. good luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How long have you been concerned about this child for?

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

"my experience, and a few others round here, was they pass you onto NSPCC, but the NSPCC say it's a SS matter. it could just be my area though. but neither of them want to get involved and say it's the others responsibility.

will be interesting to find out what happens, unless nobody takes responsibility then it will be shit and justify why i hate humans.

try SS then clem. good luck."

Actually things have changed due to the investigations that happened over the high profile cases such as Victoria columbe and baby P

Everything that gets reported to police, nspcc, ambulance service, drs, any professional service really has to then Be passed to social services. It has been found in the past that things were missed due to services not sharing information. So now social services should potentially be getting multiple reports of the same incidents... but this is preferred so that nothing is missed.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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will be interesting to find out what happens, unless nobody takes responsibility then it will be shit and justify why i hate humans.

try SS then clem. good luck.

Actually things have changed due to the investigations that happened over the high profile cases such as Victoria columbe and baby P

i'm still skeptical, which is why i said report them to the police. but will wait and see what actually happens.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"I'd be very surprised if the OP lived on a Council Estate."

Yeah I thought the same,is this a serious post?!

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Found a Multi-Agency Safeguarding Hub number. Reported.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Found a Multi-Agency Safeguarding Hub number. Reported."

I'm glad you did something

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

I can only listen to a child begging it's mother not to him again, so many times.

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

"Found a Multi-Agency Safeguarding Hub number. Reported."

Well done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Found a Multi-Agency Safeguarding Hub number. Reported."

Thank you.

And apologies for suggesting you grow a pair.

I do understand the worries you may have had for your own safety...

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I can only listen to a child begging it's mother not to him again, so many times."

Ghastly. I once heard a tearful child begging it's mother 'But do you love me??' as they walked along, and her lack of affirmation because of his behaviour or something. Stupid cow, even that scars kids for life.

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Thanks for acting OP, the child's safety should always come first.

I've had concerns in the past about the children of a very close relative. The children were being looked after for the weekend by their grandparents quite regularly while their parents went out to raves and took mind altering substances. The parents didn't always use all the pills and sometimes took them home. As soon as I found out I had a serious chat with my family member and told them in no uncertain terms they were putting their children at risk by having these substances in the house and if it continued I would report them to social services myself.

Thankfully they listened and stopped putting their kids at risk but I would have reported it if needed just to keep the kids safe.

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