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"I like the flushed glow, so many people seem to think that the burnt to a crisp look is attractive. X " Living by the sea as we do you see lots of people with skin like leather. Weatherbeaten if you like. It's not a good look. | |||
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"A wise person doesn't tan. You'll keep youthful skin and reduce your risk of skin cancer. I use factor 15 and 30 on my face but still get tanned." Landing back at Newcastle to 13 deg and rain, having left 36 deg and sunshine, donning jeans and jumpers in arrivals, you do wonder why some people obsess for an all-over tan lol | |||
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"A wise person doesn't tan. You'll keep youthful skin and reduce your risk of skin cancer. I use factor 15 and 30 on my face but still get tanned. Landing back at Newcastle to 13 deg and rain, having left 36 deg and sunshine, donning jeans and jumpers in arrivals, you do wonder why some people obsess for an all-over tan lol" In the seventies and eighties it was a status symbol. If you were tanned you either worked outside or could afford a foreign holiday. People still associate a tan with good health. | |||
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"I like the flushed glow, so many people seem to think that the burnt to a crisp look is attractive. X Living by the sea as we do you see lots of people with skin like leather. Weatherbeaten if you like. It's not a good look." I have a few friends who are like that. They look years older than me. X | |||
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"I like the sun. We don't see it much in Scotland. I had a melanoma removed last year and I've been told not to expose myself to the sun with anything less than factor 30 on. I'd rather be pale and interesting than dead."  | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits!" The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. | |||
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"I like the sun. We don't see it much in Scotland. I had a melanoma removed last year and I've been told not to expose myself to the sun with anything less than factor 30 on. I'd rather be pale and interesting than dead." That's useful to know. I agree with your sentiment. | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt." Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days  | |||
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"I was on holiday in Cornwall was cloudy and went for walk for few hours and burnt my scalp . "Well I'm glad you hadn't decided to go topless! Although; having the task of applying the aloe vera cream afterwards I could probably cope with.........  | |||
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"I like the sun. We don't see it much in Scotland. I had a melanoma removed last year and I've been told not to expose myself to the sun with anything less than factor 30 on. I'd rather be pale and interesting than dead." Sorry to hear this. There's been talk in recent months they've trialled a new drug regarding skin cancers. Initial results look very promising. Reasons to be positive anyway. | |||
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"I was on holiday in Cornwall was cloudy and went for walk for few hours and burnt my scalp .
Well I'm glad you hadn't decided to go topless! Although; having the task of applying the aloe vera cream afterwards I could probably cope with......... "Didn't go topless lol thought best not .  | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt." Yes, the UV index at that latitude is very high, because you're so close to the equator. The sun is strong enough to burn you all year round in the Canaries. | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt. Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days "Yes, as I say very deceiving, best to be safe and slap on the lotion.  | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it." It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate | |||
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"I cruise at this colour all year but I've got Italian blood on my fathers side and Spanish on my mothers in the form of a grandmother! My skin is naturally quite tanned. " Lucky thing | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate "I'm in this position. It's something I'm beginning to think about. I believe waking up to blue skies and sunshine, has a direct correlation to how you feel about yourself - I certainly feel much more inspired, energetic, positive and crucially, happier about things. What I'd do to sustain myself and give me a sense of purpose is the problem. I wouldn't want to just 'get a job' in a bar. Needs careful thought. | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate
I'm in this position. It's something I'm beginning to think about.
I believe waking up to blue skies and sunshine, has a direct correlation to how you feel about yourself - I certainly feel much more inspired, energetic, positive and crucially, happier about things.
What I'd do to sustain myself and give me a sense of purpose is the problem. I wouldn't want to just 'get a job' in a bar. Needs careful thought. "Get yourself a sad lamp. Full sun spectrum. Set it to come on next to bed every morning. You will wake naturally and also will set your body up with vit d etc for the day. They not expensive, worth it, if your after that feeling every day | |||
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"You're only here once if you didn't do anything that they say is bad for you then what a boring existence. We love to tan. If you like the lovely dark skin tone then go for it we say and you are going to get old eventually anyway. "say that to young people who have died of melanoma  its one thing having a naughty tipple or a slice of cake but to advocate tanning and you didn't mention sunscreen is in my view highly irresponsbile. not to mention the dark glow turns into wrinkled prune and you will age a lot quicker | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate
I'm in this position. It's something I'm beginning to think about.
I believe waking up to blue skies and sunshine, has a direct correlation to how you feel about yourself - I certainly feel much more inspired, energetic, positive and crucially, happier about things.
What I'd do to sustain myself and give me a sense of purpose is the problem. I wouldn't want to just 'get a job' in a bar. Needs careful thought.
Get yourself a sad lamp. Full sun spectrum. Set it to come on next to bed every morning. You will wake naturally and also will set your body up with vit d etc for the day. They not expensive, worth it, if your after that feeling every day "One of these caused no end of problems with an ex. Turns out our circadian rhythms aren't all identical. When she was supposed to be waking up gradually, I was wide awake and she was fast asleep. It's the British Winter that's the main problem!  | |||
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"You're only here once if you didn't do anything that they say is bad for you then what a boring existence. We love to tan. If you like the lovely dark skin tone then go for it we say and you are going to get old eventually anyway.
say that to young people who have died of melanoma its one thing having a naughty tipple or a slice of cake but to advocate tanning and you didn't mention sunscreen is in my view highly irresponsbile. not to mention the dark glow turns into wrinkled prune and you will age a lot quicker"Haven't worn any sun lotion since childhood about 9 or 10 think. My mum used to go mental, but I argued why would I want to put chemicals on my skin. Its true. You only get skin cancer in adult hood by your exposure to the sun as a child. The body needs 8 - 10 mins of sun with no SPF over 15 daily to absorb uvb wave lengths and body make enzymes. 15 mins is to much. Kids should not be exposed to sun period for as long into life as possible. | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate
I'm in this position. It's something I'm beginning to think about.
I believe waking up to blue skies and sunshine, has a direct correlation to how you feel about yourself - I certainly feel much more inspired, energetic, positive and crucially, happier about things.
What I'd do to sustain myself and give me a sense of purpose is the problem. I wouldn't want to just 'get a job' in a bar. Needs careful thought.
Get yourself a sad lamp. Full sun spectrum. Set it to come on next to bed every morning. You will wake naturally and also will set your body up with vit d etc for the day. They not expensive, worth it, if your after that feeling every day
One of these caused no end of problems with an ex. Turns out our circadian rhythms aren't all identical. When she was supposed to be waking up gradually, I was wide awake and she was fast asleep.
It's the British Winter that's the main problem! "Yeah sorry I should have said that. Is also people who have a delayed sleep phase and people who eyes can't take full wave spectrum for long periods. I guess one should do ones own research and trial and error as everyone is different | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate
I'm in this position. It's something I'm beginning to think about.
I believe waking up to blue skies and sunshine, has a direct correlation to how you feel about yourself - I certainly feel much more inspired, energetic, positive and crucially, happier about things.
What I'd do to sustain myself and give me a sense of purpose is the problem. I wouldn't want to just 'get a job' in a bar. Needs careful thought.
Get yourself a sad lamp. Full sun spectrum. Set it to come on next to bed every morning. You will wake naturally and also will set your body up with vit d etc for the day. They not expensive, worth it, if your after that feeling every day
One of these caused no end of problems with an ex. Turns out our circadian rhythms aren't all identical. When she was supposed to be waking up gradually, I was wide awake and she was fast asleep.
It's the British Winter that's the main problem! "Yeah in Britain, mostly the body can't get enough uvb wave lengths between September and mid may. The uvb just isn't strong enough in UK. So if you use any tan lotion between those times, you won't get enough uvb absorbed by the body | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt. Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days
Yes, as I say very deceiving, best to be safe and slap on the lotion. "Sorry but slapping on lotion is more dangerous as an adult than any length of expose to sun. When that's absorbed by the pores in the skin, which open up in the heat, where does it all go in body? Its a dirty habit polluting your body with chemicals, but each to own | |||
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"You are wasting your money buying anything with a supposed SPF above 30 as that is as high as they actually are capable of protecting you to. There was a programme on TV about it recently. If you don't want to tan then just keep re-applying it. I get an allergic reaction just at the thought of it "I used a German-made product 'P20' that I applied first thing in the morning, and again after lunch (after a shower), and nothing else for 2 weeks. I have a fair complexion, and did not burn, so that worked for me. | |||
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"You are wasting your money buying anything with a supposed SPF above 30 as that is as high as they actually are capable of protecting you to. There was a programme on TV about it recently. If you don't want to tan then just keep re-applying it. I get an allergic reaction just at the thought of it
I used a German-made product 'P20' that I applied first thing in the morning, and again after lunch (after a shower), and nothing else for 2 weeks. I have a fair complexion, and did not burn, so that worked for me."We used that last year on our son and it ruined his clothing, turned everything yellow | |||
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"You are wasting your money buying anything with a supposed SPF above 30 as that is as high as they actually are capable of protecting you to. There was a programme on TV about it recently. If you don't want to tan then just keep re-applying it. I get an allergic reaction just at the thought of it
I used a German-made product 'P20' that I applied first thing in the morning, and again after lunch (after a shower), and nothing else for 2 weeks. I have a fair complexion, and did not burn, so that worked for me."SPF20 lotion: Alcohol Denat, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Homosalate, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Octocrylene, PPG-15 Stearyl Ether, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Acrylates/Octylacrylamide, Copolymer, Hydroxypropylcellulose. What that says to me is don't use that and then go in swimming pool with chlorine... er apart from reaction to skin. I'd say be asking for trouble with clothes contact | |||
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"You are wasting your money buying anything with a supposed SPF above 30 as that is as high as they actually are capable of protecting you to. There was a programme on TV about it recently. If you don't want to tan then just keep re-applying it. I get an allergic reaction just at the thought of it
I used a German-made product 'P20' that I applied first thing in the morning, and again after lunch (after a shower), and nothing else for 2 weeks. I have a fair complexion, and did not burn, so that worked for me.
We used that last year on our son and it ruined his clothing, turned everything yellow "Yeah I just listed ingredients... I don't know the product, but would imagine would dye clothing and bedding...I'd imagine after they been washed would show the worst damage | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt. Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days
Yes, as I say very deceiving, best to be safe and slap on the lotion.
Sorry but slapping on lotion is more dangerous as an adult than any length of expose to sun. When that's absorbed by the pores in the skin, which open up in the heat, where does it all go in body? Its a dirty habit polluting your body with chemicals, but each to own "http://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/ You may well be right | |||
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"You are wasting your money buying anything with a supposed SPF above 30 as that is as high as they actually are capable of protecting you to. There was a programme on TV about it recently. If you don't want to tan then just keep re-applying it. I get an allergic reaction just at the thought of it
I used a German-made product 'P20' that I applied first thing in the morning, and again after lunch (after a shower), and nothing else for 2 weeks. I have a fair complexion, and did not burn, so that worked for me.
We used that last year on our son and it ruined his clothing, turned everything yellow "To be fair; yes, a lot of our clothes have a distinct yellow staining now, but my skin isn't peeling lol | |||
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"I'm pale & proud! Would rather be healthy than look an old DFS leather sofa with suspicious moles. " | |||
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"I'm pale & proud! Would rather be healthy than look an old DFS leather sofa with suspicious moles. " Me too
I don't find a dark tan at all attractive. Really dark skin on someone who isn't naturally dark looks odd to me.
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"So those people worrying about putting chemicals on their skin obviously do not use shower gel, perfume, aftershave, shampoo etc... what do you think is in them amber nectar and nothing else? How far do you take the "I would rather not put chemicals on my skin or in my body" do you refuse to take medication? As to sun lotion staining clothes yellow would rather have a few yellow clothes than skin cancer, also you can use skin sprays. Each to their own if you choose not to protect your skin that is your choice but I view it as lunacy " I don't take pharmaceutical..I don't use products on body that ain't natural..I don't use deodorant and haven't done now for 25 years.
If I wore aftershave it would only go below the neck but is very rare I'd wear it anyway.
Skin cancer is brought about by your exposure to the sun during childhood. Its about 99% unlikely to come from exposure during adulthood.
Why you seem to think sticking a chemical on your body is good for it is beyond me. You can use natural Shea butter and has a SPF of 8.
Yes each to own, but anyone who puts sun tan lotion on body really don't know very much about the body | |||
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"The worst problem with sunscreens is, they stain white clothing!! It's the ingredient Avobenzone that causes this. I ruin at least one piece of clothing every Summer, usually around the neck on t-shirts. I even mailed Boots about it. It's a huge problem, apparently. There's various suggestions across the web on how to get rid, but, because the stain is effectively rust on your clothing, it's notoriously hard to remove. " You should see what it does to car paint. I've got sunlotion handprints all over my rear doors (not a euphemism) and it's completely matted the paint. | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt. Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days
Yes, as I say very deceiving, best to be safe and slap on the lotion.
Sorry but slapping on lotion is more dangerous as an adult than any length of expose to sun. When that's absorbed by the pores in the skin, which open up in the heat, where does it all go in body? Its a dirty habit polluting your body with chemicals, but each to own
http://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/
You may well be right"Some of what's contained in that article was what I was told long time ago. Are some points in there that clearly further research needs to be done, as well everyone here seems to go with chemicals. I know a hand full of people who same as me,in the no sunscreen. Guess media and TV plays part in all this crap, is the same with vitamin supplements etc all crap, more harm than good, all synthetic crap. Each to their own and all that, but folks should educate themselves a little more
Points I noted...some experts caution that the unintentional exposure and toxicity of active ingredients erode the benefits of sunscreens (Krause 2012, Schlumpf 2010)
Laboratory studies indicate that some chemical UV filters may mimic hormones, and physicians report sunscreen-related skin allergies, which raises important questions about unintended human health consequences from frequent sunscreen application. published studies suggest that several chemical filters interact with human sex or thyroid hormonesa, recent evaluation of CDC-collected exposure data for American children, researchers found that adolescent boys with higher oxybenzone measurements had significantly lower total testosterone levels (Scinicariello 2016). The study did not find a similar effect in younger boys or females. The researchers cautioned that their results are a single day snapshot instead of a controlled study of the effect of multi-day exposures.
And loads more negatives to sun lotion. Is just as I thought. Very glad never worn that shit | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits! The sun makes everything seem easier doesn't it. It certainly does,for one I hate the restriction of piling on clothes to keep warm. If I was by myself in this world I'd move to a warmer climate
I'm in this position. It's something I'm beginning to think about.
I believe waking up to blue skies and sunshine, has a direct correlation to how you feel about yourself - I certainly feel much more inspired, energetic, positive and crucially, happier about things.
What I'd do to sustain myself and give me a sense of purpose is the problem. I wouldn't want to just 'get a job' in a bar. Needs careful thought. "I'm hearing you,I'm the same! | |||
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"The worst problem with sunscreens is, they stain white clothing!! It's the ingredient Avobenzone that causes this. I ruin at least one piece of clothing every Summer, usually around the neck on t-shirts. I even mailed Boots about it. It's a huge problem, apparently. There's various suggestions across the web on how to get rid, but, because the stain is effectively rust on your clothing, it's notoriously hard to remove. You should see what it does to car paint. I've got sunlotion handprints all over my rear doors (not a euphemism) and it's completely matted the paint." Really? Wow that's mental. What brand? Sounds like should stick a claim in...if was America... how many millions would you get a wonder.
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" You should see what it does to car paint. I've got sunlotion handprints all over my rear doors (not a euphemism) and it's completely matted the paint. Really? Wow that's mental. What brand? Sounds like should stick a claim in...if was America... how many millions would you get a wonder.
If it does that to paint work wtf must it be doing to internal organs once absorbed by body "Nivea or soltan, nothing exotic. I wonder if it's the emulsifiers. | |||
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"OP did you enjoy your holiday?" I had a great time thanks, and have already booked Gran Can for this time next year already! | |||
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"The worst problem with sunscreens is, they stain white clothing!! It's the ingredient Avobenzone that causes this. I ruin at least one piece of clothing every Summer, usually around the neck on t-shirts. I even mailed Boots about it. It's a huge problem, apparently. There's various suggestions across the web on how to get rid, but, because the stain is effectively rust on your clothing, it's notoriously hard to remove. You should see what it does to car paint. I've got sunlotion handprints all over my rear doors (not a euphemism) and it's completely matted the paint. Really? Wow that's mental. What brand? Sounds like should stick a claim in...if was America... how many millions would you get a wonder.
If it does that to paint work wtf must it be doing to internal organs once absorbed by body "Have you ever put a dull old two pence piece in a cup of cola? Leave it overnight and check it afterwards. And people drink that stuff lol | |||
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"The worst problem with sunscreens is, they stain white clothing!! It's the ingredient Avobenzone that causes this. I ruin at least one piece of clothing every Summer, usually around the neck on t-shirts. I even mailed Boots about it. It's a huge problem, apparently. There's various suggestions across the web on how to get rid, but, because the stain is effectively rust on your clothing, it's notoriously hard to remove. You should see what it does to car paint. I've got sunlotion handprints all over my rear doors (not a euphemism) and it's completely matted the paint. Really? Wow that's mental. What brand? Sounds like should stick a claim in...if was America... how many millions would you get a wonder.
If it does that to paint work wtf must it be doing to internal organs once absorbed by body
Have you ever put a dull old two pence piece in a cup of cola? Leave it overnight and check it afterwards. And people drink that stuff lol "No haven't, imagine it comes out all shiny
I have stuck an old tooth in it though. Takes about 4 days to go all soft and after little over a week, very little of the actual tooth left..so can't be very good for your teeth let alone the body.
I've a mate who's sister in law is, 32 stone I think he said. She drinks 2x2L bottles of cola a day and wonders why she's so big and has no teeth | |||
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"So those people worrying about putting chemicals on their skin obviously do not use shower gel, perfume, aftershave, shampoo etc... what do you think is in them amber nectar and nothing else? How far do you take the "I would rather not put chemicals on my skin or in my body" do you refuse to take medication? As to sun lotion staining clothes yellow would rather have a few yellow clothes than skin cancer, also you can use skin sprays. Each to their own if you choose not to protect your skin that is your choice but I view it as lunacy I don't take pharmaceutical..I don't use products on body that ain't natural..I don't use deodorant and haven't done now for 25 years.
If I wore aftershave it would only go below the neck but is very rare I'd wear it anyway.
Skin cancer is brought about by your exposure to the sun during childhood. Its about 99% unlikely to come from exposure during adulthood.
Why you seem to think sticking a chemical on your body is good for it is beyond me. You can use natural Shea butter and has a SPF of 8.
Yes each to own, but anyone who puts sun tan lotion on body really don't know very much about the body "^ wow you don't take pharmaceuticals? each to their own! i avoid unnecessary meds but if I didn't take my uric acid lowering medication I would be laid up with bed with constant attacks of gout. These have given me a new lease of life. And before you say eat natural foods it must be your diet blah blah it has nothing to do with that. My mum would not be here without vital life saving medication and antibiotics I would rather be alive than a person who distrusts medicine I expect you are against vaccines and believe experts are sitting on a cure of cancer! | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. " What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
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"So those people worrying about putting chemicals on their skin obviously do not use shower gel, perfume, aftershave, shampoo etc... what do you think is in them amber nectar and nothing else? How far do you take the "I would rather not put chemicals on my skin or in my body" do you refuse to take medication? As to sun lotion staining clothes yellow would rather have a few yellow clothes than skin cancer, also you can use skin sprays. Each to their own if you choose not to protect your skin that is your choice but I view it as lunacy I don't take pharmaceutical..I don't use products on body that ain't natural..I don't use deodorant and haven't done now for 25 years.
If I wore aftershave it would only go below the neck but is very rare I'd wear it anyway.
Skin cancer is brought about by your exposure to the sun during childhood. Its about 99% unlikely to come from exposure during adulthood.
Why you seem to think sticking a chemical on your body is good for it is beyond me. You can use natural Shea butter and has a SPF of 8.
Yes each to own, but anyone who puts sun tan lotion on body really don't know very much about the body
^ wow you don't take pharmaceuticals? each to their own! i avoid unnecessary meds but if I didn't take my uric acid lowering medication I would be laid up with bed with constant attacks of gout. These have given me a new lease of life. And before you say eat natural foods it must be your diet blah blah it has nothing to do with that. My mum would not be here without vital life saving medication and antibiotics I would rather be alive than a person who distrusts medicine I expect you are against vaccines and believe experts are sitting on a cure of cancer!"Sorry but the cures for cancer have been around since 1933. Just its been suppressed and discredited by pharmacy. Look at Max gersons diet 1930's. You want to try get the first edition book before he was discredited by pharmaceutical companies. Have you heard of ozone generators? Like drinking ozone water? This another great one coupled with gerson diet, can cure things like uncureable stuff, they always rattle in about. Its all pish and wind. You can cure yourself of these things, unless genetic condition or a mutation, then best can hope for is relief of symptoms | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt. Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days
Yes, as I say very deceiving, best to be safe and slap on the lotion.
Sorry but slapping on lotion is more dangerous as an adult than any length of expose to sun. When that's absorbed by the pores in the skin, which open up in the heat, where does it all go in body? Its a dirty habit polluting your body with chemicals, but each to own
http://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/
You may well be right
Some of what's contained in that article was what I was told long time ago.
Are some points in there that clearly further research needs to be done, as well everyone here seems to go with chemicals. I know a hand full of people who same as me,in the no sunscreen. Guess media and TV plays part in all this crap, is the same with vitamin supplements etc all crap, more harm than good, all synthetic crap.
Each to their own and all that, but folks should educate themselves a little more
Points I noted...some experts caution that the unintentional exposure and toxicity of active ingredients erode the benefits of sunscreens (Krause 2012, Schlumpf 2010)
Laboratory studies indicate that some chemical UV filters may mimic hormones, and physicians report sunscreen-related skin allergies, which raises important questions about unintended human health consequences from frequent sunscreen application. published studies suggest that several chemical filters interact with human sex or thyroid hormonesa, recent evaluation of CDC-collected exposure data for American children, researchers found that adolescent boys with higher oxybenzone measurements had significantly lower total testosterone levels (Scinicariello 2016). The study did not find a similar effect in younger boys or females. The researchers cautioned that their results are a single day snapshot instead of a controlled study of the effect of multi-day exposures.
And loads more negatives to sun lotion. Is just as I thought. Very glad never worn that shit "Another interesting article https://almostexactlyblog.com/2013/05/15/natural-sunscreens-why-you-need-to-switch/ | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact "So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ? | |||
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"Years ago I used to have a very dark tan, but now I tend to lay under an umbrella, but still get a little colour. Dark tans can be very ageing. You did exactly the right thing, especially in the Canaries, because it can be very deceiving when it's cloudy and windy, you can still get burnt. Exactly! And apparently; the uv strength actually increases on cloudy days
Yes, as I say very deceiving, best to be safe and slap on the lotion.
Sorry but slapping on lotion is more dangerous as an adult than any length of expose to sun. When that's absorbed by the pores in the skin, which open up in the heat, where does it all go in body? Its a dirty habit polluting your body with chemicals, but each to own
http://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/
You may well be right
Some of what's contained in that article was what I was told long time ago.
Are some points in there that clearly further research needs to be done, as well everyone here seems to go with chemicals. I know a hand full of people who same as me,in the no sunscreen. Guess media and TV plays part in all this crap, is the same with vitamin supplements etc all crap, more harm than good, all synthetic crap.
Each to their own and all that, but folks should educate themselves a little more
Points I noted...some experts caution that the unintentional exposure and toxicity of active ingredients erode the benefits of sunscreens (Krause 2012, Schlumpf 2010)
Laboratory studies indicate that some chemical UV filters may mimic hormones, and physicians report sunscreen-related skin allergies, which raises important questions about unintended human health consequences from frequent sunscreen application. published studies suggest that several chemical filters interact with human sex or thyroid hormonesa, recent evaluation of CDC-collected exposure data for American children, researchers found that adolescent boys with higher oxybenzone measurements had significantly lower total testosterone levels (Scinicariello 2016). The study did not find a similar effect in younger boys or females. The researchers cautioned that their results are a single day snapshot instead of a controlled study of the effect of multi-day exposures.
And loads more negatives to sun lotion. Is just as I thought. Very glad never worn that shit
Another interesting article
https://almostexactlyblog.com/2013/05/15/natural-sunscreens-why-you-need-to-switch/"Thanks for that. I see that the following natural products and roughly spf factors shown. I see shea butter is listed as 8 - 10 spf. Ive always used that as like said science says has a spf of 8 as far as I was always told. See are some far better ones listed. red raspberry seed oil – SPF between 30 and 50 (seriously!) carrot seed oil – SPF 30 wheat germ oil – SPF 20 hazelnut oil – SPF 15 coconut oil – SPF 10 soybean oil – SPF 10 shea butter – SPF 6-10 macadamia oil – SPF 6 jojoba oil – SPF 4 rice bran oil – SPF 4 sesame oil, hemp oil, avocado oil, peanut oil – SPF between 4 and 10 vitamin E – helps protect against UV damage I see it states coconut oil has a 10. I always thought it had a spf 2-4 so thats why mixed the coconut oil with the shea butter to bring up, but stay below the spf 15 to allow body to absorb uvb wave lengths and stay healthy. Some good info there, thanks bud | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?"my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way "So your qualifications are in this specific field, yes ? | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
So your qualifications are in this specific field, yes ?
specific field?
"Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ? | |||
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" Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ?" accepted guidance haha that makes me laugh. accepted by whom? | |||
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" Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ? accepted guidance haha that makes me laugh. accepted by whom? " Seems to me you are avoiding the question about your qualifications, and I don't see much point in carrying on with this exchange. I'll carry on listening to the advice and guidance from the "experts" and hope you never have to personally deal with consequence of melanoma. | |||
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" Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ? accepted guidance haha that makes me laugh. accepted by whom? Seems to me you are avoiding the question about your qualifications, and I don't see much point in carrying on with this exchange. I'll carry on listening to the advice and guidance from the "experts" and hope you never have to personally deal with consequence of melanoma. " the "experts" as you put it, experts in what...talking shite
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" Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ? accepted guidance haha that makes me laugh. accepted by whom? Seems to me you are avoiding the question about your qualifications, and I don't see much point in carrying on with this exchange. I'll carry on listening to the advice and guidance from the "experts" and hope you never have to personally deal with consequence of melanoma. the "experts" as you put it, experts in what...talking shite
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"Flexible fun and other people who believe adult sun exposure cannot cause skin cancer, and that using sun protection inhibits vitamin D production need to do research somewhere other than quack websites. The official skin cancer foundation website says: "The problem is, too many people think that using sunscreen and other forms of sun protection leads to vitamin D deficiency, and that the best way to obtain enough of the vitamin is through unprotected sun exposure. But that can lead to a whole other set of serious problems. High-SPF sunscreens are designed to filter out most of the sun’s UVB radiation, since UVB damage is the major cause of sunburn and can lead to skin cancers. UVB wavelengths happen to be the specific wavelengths that trigger vitamin D production in the skin. Nonetheless, clinical studies have never found that everyday sunscreen use leads to vitamin D insufficiency.2,18,19 In fact, the prevailing studies show that people who use sunscreen daily can maintain their vitamin D levels18,19 One of the explanations for this may be that no matter how much sunscreen you use or how high the SPF, some of the sun’s UV rays reach your skin. An SPF 15 sunscreen filters out 93 percent of UVB rays, SPF 30 keeps out 97 percent, and SPF 50 filters out 98 percent. This leaves anywhere from 2 to 7 percent of solar UVB reaching your skin, even with high-SPF sunscreens. And that’s if you use them perfectly." I'm going to keep using high SPF when I'm out and about in the sun. I also intend to use a moisturiser with SPF on a daily basis. Having seen someone in the final stages of aggressive skin cancer ... There's no way I'm taking necessary risks. Nita" Well done Nita, well put and nice to see a sensible comment. | |||
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"Flexible fun and other people who believe adult sun exposure cannot cause skin cancer, and that using sun protection inhibits vitamin D production need to do research somewhere other than quack websites. The official skin cancer foundation website says: "The problem is, too many people think that using sunscreen and other forms of sun protection leads to vitamin D deficiency, and that the best way to obtain enough of the vitamin is through unprotected sun exposure. But that can lead to a whole other set of serious problems. High-SPF sunscreens are designed to filter out most of the sun’s UVB radiation, since UVB damage is the major cause of sunburn and can lead to skin cancers. UVB wavelengths happen to be the specific wavelengths that trigger vitamin D production in the skin. Nonetheless, clinical studies have never found that everyday sunscreen use leads to vitamin D insufficiency.2,18,19 In fact, the prevailing studies show that people who use sunscreen daily can maintain their vitamin D levels18,19 One of the explanations for this may be that no matter how much sunscreen you use or how high the SPF, some of the sun’s UV rays reach your skin. An SPF 15 sunscreen filters out 93 percent of UVB rays, SPF 30 keeps out 97 percent, and SPF 50 filters out 98 percent. This leaves anywhere from 2 to 7 percent of solar UVB reaching your skin, even with high-SPF sunscreens. And that’s if you use them perfectly." I'm going to keep using high SPF when I'm out and about in the sun. I also intend to use a moisturiser with SPF on a daily basis. Having seen someone in the final stages of aggressive skin cancer ... There's no way I'm taking necessary risks. Nita" And your point of all that shite is? | |||
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"Flexible fun and other people who believe adult sun exposure cannot cause skin cancer, and that using sun protection inhibits vitamin D production need to do research somewhere other than quack websites. The official skin cancer foundation website says: "The problem is, too many people think that using sunscreen and other forms of sun protection leads to vitamin D deficiency, and that the best way to obtain enough of the vitamin is through unprotected sun exposure. But that can lead to a whole other set of serious problems. High-SPF sunscreens are designed to filter out most of the sun’s UVB radiation, since UVB damage is the major cause of sunburn and can lead to skin cancers. UVB wavelengths happen to be the specific wavelengths that trigger vitamin D production in the skin. Nonetheless, clinical studies have never found that everyday sunscreen use leads to vitamin D insufficiency.2,18,19 In fact, the prevailing studies show that people who use sunscreen daily can maintain their vitamin D levels18,19 One of the explanations for this may be that no matter how much sunscreen you use or how high the SPF, some of the sun’s UV rays reach your skin. An SPF 15 sunscreen filters out 93 percent of UVB rays, SPF 30 keeps out 97 percent, and SPF 50 filters out 98 percent. This leaves anywhere from 2 to 7 percent of solar UVB reaching your skin, even with high-SPF sunscreens. And that’s if you use them perfectly." I'm going to keep using high SPF when I'm out and about in the sun. I also intend to use a moisturiser with SPF on a daily basis. Having seen someone in the final stages of aggressive skin cancer ... There's no way I'm taking necessary risks. Nita Well done Nita, well put and nice to see a sensible comment." Sensible in what way. That you are being mislead | |||
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" Well done Nita, well put and nice to see a sensible comment." Thank you 
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" Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ? accepted guidance haha that makes me laugh. accepted by whom? Seems to me you are avoiding the question about your qualifications, and I don't see much point in carrying on with this exchange. I'll carry on listening to the advice and guidance from the "experts" and hope you never have to personally deal with consequence of melanoma. the "experts" as you put it, experts in what...talking shite
yeah each to own, good luck with that one
Yep the "experts", which you clearly are not, the oncologist, dermatologist, the specialist cancer nurse - the people who talk shite! All the best to you pal."Experts yeah right then | |||
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" Well done Nita, well put and nice to see a sensible comment. Thank you
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"Flexible Fun, you do realise that you are contradicting your original post? It said: "You damage your skin with anything more than 15 mins a day. That's all the body needs to use the sun light to make enzymes the body needs, anything over 15 mins is actually damaging to cells" Nita" No I'm not..read what wrote. I was saying you age the skin, it goes like leather, is cell damage, it don't cause cancer in adult hood. Cancer comes from exposure to sun during childhood years. | |||
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" Well done Nita, well put and nice to see a sensible comment. Thank you
I hope that the treatment is successful and you remain cancer free."Thank you, thankfully the experts i have had dealings with have been amazing and following surgery I am currently cancer free, but years of monitoring and sensible sun awareness ahead. | |||
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"Flexible Fun, you do realise that you are contradicting your original post? It said: "You damage your skin with anything more than 15 mins a day. That's all the body needs to use the sun light to make enzymes the body needs, anything over 15 mins is actually damaging to cells" Nita No I'm not..read what wrote. I was saying you age the skin, it goes like leather, is cell damage, it don't cause cancer in adult hood. Cancer comes from exposure to sun during childhood years. " Ok, can you please provide me with directions to the source material for your views? I have been unable to find a single website that even lists this as a common myth. Nita | |||
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"Flexible Fun, you do realise that you are contradicting your original post? It said: "You damage your skin with anything more than 15 mins a day. That's all the body needs to use the sun light to make enzymes the body needs, anything over 15 mins is actually damaging to cells" Nita No I'm not..read what wrote. I was saying you age the skin, it goes like leather, is cell damage, it don't cause cancer in adult hood. Cancer comes from exposure to sun during childhood years. Ok, can you please provide me with directions to the source material for your views? I have been unable to find a single website that even lists this as a common myth. Nita" You can't possibly get hold of the PhDs or the old books have hear, and you won't find these on the net, well not from the net you know..certainly not on Google
Is few reports you might be able to access from several leading uni's around the world, but one you might find is by Adèle C. Green, Sarah C. Wallingford, and Penelope McBride
An abstract.....Childhood exposure to ultraviolet radiation and harmful skin effects: Epidemiological evidence We review the general amount and patterns of exposure to solar ultraviolet (UV) radiation that children and teenagers experience and the spectrum of UV-related skin damage that can occur as a result. Data about the amount of solar UV received by children and teenagers suggest that around 40–50% of total UV to age 60 occurs before age 20. Among white children, those with the palest complexions suffer the most damage. Comparisons of prevalence and incidence of outcomes in children and teenagers sharing common ancestry, but living at different latitudes, show that prevalence rates of photoaging and melanocytic naevi are higher in Australian compared with British children, and similarly for melanoma. Genetic risk for the majority of the melanomas in teens is a function of genes controlling naevus propensity and pigmentation in the skin. High numbers of naevi and freckles, red hair, blue eyes, inability to tan, as well as a family history are the primary determinants of melanoma among adolescents. Beyond the signs of skin damage seen in children are the latent effects observed later in adulthood. Childhood is believed to be a susceptible window for long-term harmful effects of UV, as evidenced by clear differences in skin cancer risk between child and adult migrants from high to low latitudes. Effective UV radiation protection from childhood is necessary to control both immediate and long-term harmful effects on children’s skin into adult hood. | |||
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"Ok, Flexble Fun. I agree that high sun exposure as a child does greatly in crease the chances of skin cancer. However, nothing in what you have provided says anything about sun exposure as an adult not causing skin cancer. Nita" Yes I could stick about 30 sources about adult hood. But sounds like youve made up your mind already. Would have listed address for abstract articles in adult hood, but see you've blocked me. Can't post them all here as not allowed to post loads of links from various sources other than recommended ones by Fab. So as you blocked me not lot can do. Really its true, but sounds like given all you've said and the other woman who jumped to your side in defence...that your minds made up by the so called experts...who talk shite, but you can believe what you want, that's your choice. Take care | |||
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"Ok, Flexble Fun. I agree that high sun exposure as a child does greatly in crease the chances of skin cancer. However, nothing in what you have provided says anything about sun exposure as an adult not causing skin cancer. Nita Yes I could stick about 30 sources about adult hood. But sounds like youve made up your mind already. Would have listed address for abstract articles in adult hood, but see you've blocked me. Can't post them all here as not allowed to post loads of links from various sources other than recommended ones by Fab. So as you blocked me not lot can do. Really its true, but sounds like given all you've said and the other woman who jumped to your side in defence...that your minds made up by the so called experts...who talk shite, but you can believe what you want, that's your choice. Take care "I think you protest too much...
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"So those people worrying about putting chemicals on their skin obviously do not use shower gel, perfume, aftershave, shampoo etc... what do you think is in them amber nectar and nothing else? How far do you take the "I would rather not put chemicals on my skin or in my body" do you refuse to take medication? As to sun lotion staining clothes yellow would rather have a few yellow clothes than skin cancer, also you can use skin sprays. Each to their own if you choose not to protect your skin that is your choice but I view it as lunacy I don't take pharmaceutical..I don't use products on body that ain't natural..I don't use deodorant and haven't done now for 25 years.
If I wore aftershave it would only go below the neck but is very rare I'd wear it anyway.
Skin cancer is brought about by your exposure to the sun during childhood. Its about 99% unlikely to come from exposure during adulthood.
Why you seem to think sticking a chemical on your body is good for it is beyond me. You can use natural Shea butter and has a SPF of 8.
Yes each to own, but anyone who puts sun tan lotion on body really don't know very much about the body
^ wow you don't take pharmaceuticals? each to their own! i avoid unnecessary meds but if I didn't take my uric acid lowering medication I would be laid up with bed with constant attacks of gout. These have given me a new lease of life. And before you say eat natural foods it must be your diet blah blah it has nothing to do with that. My mum would not be here without vital life saving medication and antibiotics I would rather be alive than a person who distrusts medicine I expect you are against vaccines and believe experts are sitting on a cure of cancer!
Sorry but the cures for cancer have been around since 1933. Just its been suppressed and discredited by pharmacy. Look at Max gersons diet 1930's. You want to try get the first edition book before he was discredited by pharmaceutical companies. Have you heard of ozone generators? Like drinking ozone water? This another great one coupled with gerson diet, can cure things like uncureable stuff, they always rattle in about. Its all pish and wind. You can cure yourself of these things, unless genetic condition or a mutation, then best can hope for is relief of symptoms "^ nope I'll stick to surgery and experts who spent years training not someone that's red lots of Quackery and witch doctors opinions good luck with that! | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
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Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ?"^ I admire you for persevering hun but I don't think you can reason with somebody who wears tin foil listens to conspiracy theories about cancer and probably thinks drinking pineapple juice better than conventional treatment. at the end of the day if conventional treatment hasn't worked for me and I have nothing left to lose I probably would try all the tree hugging stuff but until then I'll trust the advice of experts glad to hear that yours is all ok now | |||
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"I'm just back from a fortnight in the Canaries, and although every day I only really wore a pair of Speedos (Daniel Craig stylee), I have little more than a 'flushed glow' due to my only using factor 50 sunscreen. I like to be outside all day, but I don't like to burn, and I'm not a sun worshipper. Inevitably, most of this week I have received comments like 'Did the sun not shine?' and 'Just at the bar all day were you?' Your thoughts and preferences please "A flushed glow is much nicer | |||
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"So those people worrying about putting chemicals on their skin obviously do not use shower gel, perfume, aftershave, shampoo etc... what do you think is in them amber nectar and nothing else? How far do you take the "I would rather not put chemicals on my skin or in my body" do you refuse to take medication? As to sun lotion staining clothes yellow would rather have a few yellow clothes than skin cancer, also you can use skin sprays. Each to their own if you choose not to protect your skin that is your choice but I view it as lunacy I don't take pharmaceutical..I don't use products on body that ain't natural..I don't use deodorant and haven't done now for 25 years.
If I wore aftershave it would only go below the neck but is very rare I'd wear it anyway.
Skin cancer is brought about by your exposure to the sun during childhood. Its about 99% unlikely to come from exposure during adulthood.
Why you seem to think sticking a chemical on your body is good for it is beyond me. You can use natural Shea butter and has a SPF of 8.
Yes each to own, but anyone who puts sun tan lotion on body really don't know very much about the body
^ wow you don't take pharmaceuticals? each to their own! i avoid unnecessary meds but if I didn't take my uric acid lowering medication I would be laid up with bed with constant attacks of gout. These have given me a new lease of life. And before you say eat natural foods it must be your diet blah blah it has nothing to do with that. My mum would not be here without vital life saving medication and antibiotics I would rather be alive than a person who distrusts medicine I expect you are against vaccines and believe experts are sitting on a cure of cancer!
Sorry but the cures for cancer have been around since 1933. Just its been suppressed and discredited by pharmacy. Look at Max gersons diet 1930's. You want to try get the first edition book before he was discredited by pharmaceutical companies. Have you heard of ozone generators? Like drinking ozone water? This another great one coupled with gerson diet, can cure things like uncureable stuff, they always rattle in about. Its all pish and wind. You can cure yourself of these things, unless genetic condition or a mutation, then best can hope for is relief of symptoms
^ nope I'll stick to surgery and experts who spent years training not someone that's red lots of Quackery and witch doctors opinions good luck with that!" | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
So your qualifications are in this specific field, yes ?
specific field?
Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ?
^ I admire you for persevering hun but I don't think you can reason with somebody who wears tin foil listens to conspiracy theories about cancer and probably thinks drinking pineapple juice better than conventional treatment. at the end of the day if conventional treatment hasn't worked for me and I have nothing left to lose I probably would try all the tree hugging stuff but until then I'll trust the advice of experts glad to hear that yours is all ok now"Thanks. I did eventually realise that there was little point talking to that guy and came to the same opinion of him as yourself. Lol. | |||
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"A wise person doesn't tan. You'll keep youthful skin and reduce your risk of skin cancer. I use factor 15 and 30 on my face but still get tanned." Have to agree and I use factor 50 for my face too here in Dubai. | |||
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"I like the flushed glow, so many people seem to think that the burnt to a crisp look is attractive. X Living by the sea as we do you see lots of people with skin like leather. Weatherbeaten if you like. It's not a good look." Likewise, they have robbed themselves of their looks down the line. Even some who are early 40's who look mid 50's. Scary | |||
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"i havent read all your messages as to much to read but why is it childhood sun exposure being the main cause of skin cancer in adult life? i would say yeah it might to some, because they spent there childhood in the sun and there adult life in the office but what about sun whorshippers in adult life? surely that is worse than the damage you do as kids!?? also what about these sun screens causing skin cancer itself? ive heard a lot of people think this and it kinda makes sense when you realise whats in them. how i found out about the chemicals in these products was being diagnosed with low testosterone. i even went on TRT at first but came off as didnt like the side effects, so i looked into boosting it naturally. found out the products i used, sunscreens moisturisers even my use of fake tans could of been killing my levels! so i started using natural products and my levels went up! i found it and stil find it insane that these products are allowed to be sold. " Any specific chemicals you're really bothered with? In the USA imo there are lower levels of controls than in Europe - hence why leaving Europe could be bad on many fronts for the UK imo. | |||
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"i havent read all your messages as to much to read but why is it childhood sun exposure being the main cause of skin cancer in adult life? i would say yeah it might to some, because they spent there childhood in the sun and there adult life in the office but what about sun whorshippers in adult life? surely that is worse than the damage you do as kids!?? also what about these sun screens causing skin cancer itself? ive heard a lot of people think this and it kinda makes sense when you realise whats in them. how i found out about the chemicals in these products was being diagnosed with low testosterone. i even went on TRT at first but came off as didnt like the side effects, so i looked into boosting it naturally. found out the products i used, sunscreens moisturisers even my use of fake tans could of been killing my levels! so i started using natural products and my levels went up! i found it and stil find it insane that these products are allowed to be sold. Any specific chemicals you're really bothered with? In the USA imo there are lower levels of controls than in Europe - hence why leaving Europe could be bad on many fronts for the UK imo. " the ones i read most about was ones ending with parabens. yeah i heard the US was worse with what they put into products,processed food ect. | |||
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"I like to do things that make me happy. If that involves liking a nice tan... or not is up to me. If I get skin cancer so be it. People get cancer that haven’t puffed on a fag or had a drink in their whole life. " True. Though those two things alone don't stop you getting cancer. Diet and where you live can be a factor too. As something similar happened with my mother. I will tan mildly even with sun tan lotion. What I was trying to get at is moderation. We don't always need to burn to a crisp to tan smartly. | |||
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"All I know is I hate coming back to the UK after leaving the sun,it's highly depressing! I don't want blazing sun all the time,but this is the pits!" Coming back from Dubai I know how you feel! I will be back at the end of September and it will be cold and dreary. After a day or two the novelty wares off and I want to get back here | |||
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"I don't tan. I'm quite pale. I always use Sun cream if I'm going out in the sun. My skin is as soft as it was in my teens. I'd rather be pale and have soft skin than a tan. A few of my mates are sun worshipers. We are nearly 40 right now and the sun has taken its toll on their skin over the years. " Smart moves!! I always use factor 50 out here on the way to work and on the way home. It will do and there's no getting it back either. They will often look around 10 years older than they are angel. I have the same with my neighbour. | |||
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"i havent read all your messages as to much to read but why is it childhood sun exposure being the main cause of skin cancer in adult life? i would say yeah it might to some, because they spent there childhood in the sun and there adult life in the office but what about sun whorshippers in adult life? surely that is worse than the damage you do as kids!?? also what about these sun screens causing skin cancer itself? ive heard a lot of people think this and it kinda makes sense when you realise whats in them. how i found out about the chemicals in these products was being diagnosed with low testosterone. i even went on TRT at first but came off as didnt like the side effects, so i looked into boosting it naturally. found out the products i used, sunscreens moisturisers even my use of fake tans could of been killing my levels! so i started using natural products and my levels went up! i found it and stil find it insane that these products are allowed to be sold. Any specific chemicals you're really bothered with? In the USA imo there are lower levels of controls than in Europe - hence why leaving Europe could be bad on many fronts for the UK imo. the ones i read most about was ones ending with parabens. yeah i heard the US was worse with what they put into products,processed food ect." The problem with the USA and ingredients etc is that they typically wait for proof of a problem, before anything is done and steps taken to withdraw things. European riles are much more intelligent, requiring proof of safety before use vs the USA proof of danger, before it's banned! Gross simplification and I'm not an expert on safety etc here. It's a tough call on sun exposure - there's evidence upon millions of people over decades, though product types and UVA UVB screening has varied. I'm inclined to think that some protection is better than none - if it's properly applied. But then it's the choice of which product and ingredients. Limiting midday exposure and using shade etc is wise. I'm spending weeks here and getting minimal exposure. | |||
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"So those people worrying about putting chemicals on their skin obviously do not use shower gel, perfume, aftershave, shampoo etc... what do you think is in them amber nectar and nothing else? How far do you take the "I would rather not put chemicals on my skin or in my body" do you refuse to take medication? As to sun lotion staining clothes yellow would rather have a few yellow clothes than skin cancer, also you can use skin sprays. Each to their own if you choose not to protect your skin that is your choice but I view it as lunacy I don't take pharmaceutical..I don't use products on body that ain't natural..I don't use deodorant and haven't done now for 25 years.
If I wore aftershave it would only go below the neck but is very rare I'd wear it anyway.
Skin cancer is brought about by your exposure to the sun during childhood. Its about 99% unlikely to come from exposure during adulthood.
Why you seem to think sticking a chemical on your body is good for it is beyond me. You can use natural Shea butter and has a SPF of 8.
Yes each to own, but anyone who puts sun tan lotion on body really don't know very much about the body
^ wow you don't take pharmaceuticals? each to their own! i avoid unnecessary meds but if I didn't take my uric acid lowering medication I would be laid up with bed with constant attacks of gout. These have given me a new lease of life. And before you say eat natural foods it must be your diet blah blah it has nothing to do with that. My mum would not be here without vital life saving medication and antibiotics I would rather be alive than a person who distrusts medicine I expect you are against vaccines and believe experts are sitting on a cure of cancer!
Sorry but the cures for cancer have been around since 1933. Just its been suppressed and discredited by pharmacy. Look at Max gersons diet 1930's. You want to try get the first edition book before he was discredited by pharmaceutical companies. Have you heard of ozone generators? Like drinking ozone water? This another great one coupled with gerson diet, can cure things like uncureable stuff, they always rattle in about. Its all pish and wind. You can cure yourself of these things, unless genetic condition or a mutation, then best can hope for is relief of symptoms
^ nope I'll stick to surgery and experts who spent years training not someone that's red lots of Quackery and witch doctors opinions good luck with that!"Clearly you have no idea and who's read quacker? What like the shit the so called drs and consultants speak. Yeah ok then | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
So your qualifications are in this specific field, yes ?
specific field?
Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ?
^ I admire you for persevering hun but I don't think you can reason with somebody who wears tin foil listens to conspiracy theories about cancer and probably thinks drinking pineapple juice better than conventional treatment. at the end of the day if conventional treatment hasn't worked for me and I have nothing left to lose I probably would try all the tree hugging stuff but until then I'll trust the advice of experts glad to hear that yours is all ok now"Just goes to show how thick you actually are tin foil hat ha whatever. Clearly you need to up your meds | |||
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"i havent read all your messages as to much to read but why is it childhood sun exposure being the main cause of skin cancer in adult life? i would say yeah it might to some, because they spent there childhood in the sun and there adult life in the office but what about sun whorshippers in adult life? surely that is worse than the damage you do as kids!?? also what about these sun screens causing skin cancer itself? ive heard a lot of people think this and it kinda makes sense when you realise whats in them. how i found out about the chemicals in these products was being diagnosed with low testosterone. i even went on TRT at first but came off as didnt like the side effects, so i looked into boosting it naturally. found out the products i used, sunscreens moisturisers even my use of fake tans could of been killing my levels! so i started using natural products and my levels went up! i found it and stil find it insane that these products are allowed to be sold. " You can't possibly get hold of the PhDs or the old books have here and you won't find these on the net, well not from the net you know..certainly not on Google Is few reports you might be able to access from several leading uni's around the world, but one you might find is by Adèle C. Green, Sarah C. Wallingford, and Penelope McBride An abstract.....Childhood exposure to ultraviolet radiation and harmful skin effects: Epidemiological evidence We review the general amount and patterns of exposure to solar ultraviolet (UV) radiation that children and teenagers experience and the spectrum of UV-related skin damage that can occur as a result. Data about the amount of solar UV received by children and teenagers suggest that around 40–50% of total UV to age 60 occurs before age 20. Among white children, those with the palest complexions suffer the most damage. Comparisons of prevalence and incidence of outcomes in children and teenagers sharing common ancestry, but living at different latitudes, show that prevalence rates of photoaging and melanocytic naevi are higher in Australian compared with British children, and similarly for melanoma. Genetic risk for the majority of the melanomas in teens is a function of genes controlling naevus propensity and pigmentation in the skin. High numbers of naevi and freckles, red hair, blue eyes, inability to tan, as well as a family history are the primary determinants of melanoma among adolescents. Beyond the signs of skin damage seen in children are the latent effects observed later in adulthood. Childhood is believed to be a susceptible window for long-term harmful effects of UV, as evidenced by clear differences in skin cancer risk between child and adult migrants from high to low latitudes. Effective UV radiation protection from childhood is necessary to control both immediate and long-term harmful effects on children’s skin into adult hood. | |||
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I see least a few are in agreement about chemicals on your skin, only the idiots seem to want to continue using it. Are plenty of natural things with high SPF check above, as someone was kind enough to post a link, which I then listed | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
So your qualifications are in this specific field, yes ?
specific field?
Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ?
^ I admire you for persevering hun but I don't think you can reason with somebody who wears tin foil listens to conspiracy theories about cancer and probably thinks drinking pineapple juice better than conventional treatment. at the end of the day if conventional treatment hasn't worked for me and I have nothing left to lose I probably would try all the tree hugging stuff but until then I'll trust the advice of experts glad to hear that yours is all ok now
Thanks. I did eventually realise that there was little point talking to that guy and came to the same opinion of him as yourself. Lol."Well u jus ignore the facts. You wonder why your so I unwell. Clearly you know very little about how body works, the effects of diets and stuff you use on body, about home etc. I expect your one of the people that uses glad plug ins or any of that shite along with all the other thick people who think...I know let's use banned chemicals that are known to damage human lung tissue
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"Sorry but the cures for cancer have been around since 1933. Just its been suppressed and discredited by pharmacy. Look at Max gersons diet 1930's. You want to try get the first edition book before he was discredited by pharmaceutical companies. Have you heard of ozone generators? Like drinking ozone water? This another great one coupled with gerson diet, can cure things like uncureable stuff, they always rattle on about incurable ha. Its all pish and wind. You can cure yourself of these things, unless genetic condition or a mutation, then best can hope for is relief of symptoms So anyone who says can cure cancer is just believing the shite been fed by the pharmaceutical industry who drip feed the so called drs and consultants. You can all think as you like. These are facts, if you choose to ignore or argue different so be it, but you should get your facts right first. Clearly lot of you here have no idea about your body or how it works
I see least a few are in agreement about chemicals on your skin, only the idiots seem to want to continue using it. Are plenty of natural things with high SPF check above, as someone was kind enough to post a link, which I then listed "Thought this post had died a death, seems we are back in lala land again. | |||
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"Sorry but the cures for cancer have been around since 1933. Just its been suppressed and discredited by pharmacy. Look at Max gersons diet 1930's. You want to try get the first edition book before he was discredited by pharmaceutical companies. Have you heard of ozone generators? Like drinking ozone water? This another great one coupled with gerson diet, can cure things like uncureable stuff, they always rattle on about incurable ha. Its all pish and wind. You can cure yourself of these things, unless genetic condition or a mutation, then best can hope for is relief of symptoms So anyone who says can cure cancer is just believing the shite been fed by the pharmaceutical industry who drip feed the so called drs and consultants. You can all think as you like. These are facts, if you choose to ignore or argue different so be it, but you should get your facts right first. Clearly lot of you here have no idea about your body or how it works
I see least a few are in agreement about chemicals on your skin, only the idiots seem to want to continue using it. Are plenty of natural things with high SPF check above, as someone was kind enough to post a link, which I then listed
Thought this post had died a death, seems we are back in lala land again."Do you visit often. Sounds like you do | |||
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"Having been a sun worshipper and having this year been diagnosed with skin cancer I have obviously had contact with skin cancer specialists both consultants and skin cancer nurse's. A lot of what you have said on this thread flies in the face of advice and opinions expressed by these experts in their field, no offence but in my position I would prefer to listen to the expert advice. What's expert advise? What from a Dr ha that's a laugh, consultants are only marginally better
Like said skin cancer comes from exposure during your childhood years, not from exposure during adult life, but you can believe what you like that's life. If you choose to ignore the facts, no problem its your life.
I am sorry to read you got cancer, but it did come from your expose during childhood. Thats fact
So you advice to skin cancer sufferers would be to ignore the advice of "so called experts " . Out of curiosity does your personal knowledge of skin cancer and it's causes and preventative measures come from purely your own research or do you have some actual experience or qualifications in this field ?
my advise isnt to people who already have skin cancer, however if one did, id still say better off with natural products than any chemical shit. yes a life time of experience having not worn sun lotion since about 9 or 10. Yes lots of research and yes qualifications if you think those matter, although they dont mean shit,as what they teach is a load of shite any way
So your qualifications are in this specific field, yes ?
specific field?
Skin care, causes and risk factors relating to malignant melanoma. Are you oncologist, a pharmacist a doctor, a research scientist, a Macmillan nurse ? Anything really which would qualify you to give out advice on such a serious topic which is contrary to the accepted guidance ?
^ I admire you for persevering hun but I don't think you can reason with somebody who wears tin foil listens to conspiracy theories about cancer and probably thinks drinking pineapple juice better than conventional treatment. at the end of the day if conventional treatment hasn't worked for me and I have nothing left to lose I probably would try all the tree hugging stuff but until then I'll trust the advice of experts glad to hear that yours is all ok now
Thanks. I did eventually realise that there was little point talking to that guy and came to the same opinion of him as yourself. Lol.
Well u jus ignore the facts. You wonder why your so I unwell. Clearly you know very little about how body works, the effects of diets and stuff you use on body, about home etc.
I expect your one of the people that uses glad plug ins or any of that shite along with all the other thick people who think...I know let's use banned chemicals that are known to damage human lung tissue
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