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..........Only thing is there are way more single men than anyone else. It's a ratio thing xxx | |||
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"Is it not me??????????" Nooooo it's not youuuuuuuuuuu It's DAY JAR VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | |||
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"Is it not me?????????? Nooooo it's not youuuuuuuuuuu It's DAY JAR VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Bugger!!!!!!!!! | |||
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"Is it not me?????????? Nooooo it's not youuuuuuuuuuu It's DAY JAR VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Bugger!!!!!!!!!" If you want but be discreet | |||
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"Is it not me?????????? Nooooo it's not youuuuuuuuuuu It's DAY JAR VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Crosby Stills Nash and Granny The mind boggles. | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases .... "It's not an alternative lifestyle your wife chose though is it ? | |||
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"Again a list without a single metion of a Sausage...No wonder Married blokes cant get no action..." Hot Sizzlers Snoggy! | |||
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"Is it the same as exists? "Bobby stop that ..... tsk | |||
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"Again a list without a single metion of a Sausage...No wonder Married blokes cant get no action... Hot Sizzlers Snoggy!" Ooo I can smell them as I type... | |||
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Hi x welcome back "From where you sarky little shroom ? | |||
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"I remember this film, wasn't it called Groundhog day?" I got you, babe. | |||
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"I remember this film, wasn't it called Groundhog day? I got you, babe. " oink | |||
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"Affair sites? wow you learn something new every day." There are LOADS! Google it some time. | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases .... "Dont forget us 'boring vanillas' at the bottom of the pile, holding up the entire list!  | |||
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"Do not miss understand me people this is not about having no luck this is about abusive mails because i'm married .....shame on the people who send me such mails I get two or three a week and i never mail anyone asking for a date or a chance I prefer to get chanting and what happens happens ..I had a abusive mail today sent to me day the first since I've been on this site ....but its very common on a another site where i'm a big diary writer under another name "Personally I never played with married men. There was no need to as you trip over single men on sites like this. However, I don't understand the mentality of people who trawl profiles and send nasty messages to people they don't want to meet. | |||
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I cant understand why people send abusive messages to people they dont wish to meet either.
I dont know about heirarchy and all that jazz and neither do I care. I try not to judge others too, though I do at times, Im not perfect - but then neither is anyone else on here | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases .... "Why the feck shud the fact we swing mean we have no morals
Swinging is about honesty and openess,where does being an adulterer fit into that?
i judge no ones kink, i accept have friends who are AB's, ykinmk defines me.But i still know right from wrong,unlike you 
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"Is it about time for another TIMEWASTERS thread yet?, not seen one of those for a few hours." Okay.......... I'll start. | |||
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"OP... If I set up a single male profile and said, "I'm a lying scumbag cheating on my twat of a wife" some how I think I might get some abusive email. No matter what you say to try and justify what you are doing some people will think you are scum and will try and tell you so. Now if you want to stop these nasties being sent to you, you could divorce your wife and be a real single guy or you could give up cheating on her. " I find this kind of condescending post very uncomfortable. None of us are perfect and whatever we do, someone out there will judge us and think us wrong. There are people out there who would say to you that no matter how you try and justify it you are scum for letting strangers fuck your wife, that you have no respect for her and are only swinging as you think its a more acceptable way to fuck other women, you can't love her as you wouldn't let strangers fuck her and she can't think much of you as a man to want other men. With that in mind and knowing how you probably feel just reading what I've said, is it ok to judge how others live their lives. You are not going to meet the man, you don't know his wife so it has no effect on your life. Accept we are all different. | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases .... "dont agree i started swinging with my ex hubby since we split i carried on meeting on my own And i get far more mail and offers as a single than a couple personally i think single females are more in demade, over all, than couples | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all." thats i bit harsh awesome people... nice people.... those who get on with it... people who complain they can't get a meet "because" (feel in reason) people who whinge about timewasters people who whinge about people not being Real swingers people who have a chip on there shoulder... people who whinge and always need the last say... people who come onto the forums and post "drive by" abuse.... flamethrowers!! i think that about does it... lol | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all. thats i bit harsh awesome people... nice people.... those who get on with it... people who complain they can't get a meet "because" (feel in reason) people who whinge about timewasters people who whinge about people not being Real swingers people who have a chip on there shoulder... people who whinge and always need the last say... people who come onto the forums and post "drive by" abuse.... flamethrowers!! i think that about does it... lol " OK them as well. | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all." You're only in group 1 by the skin of your teeth ya' know.... and isn't it about time you had a tooth pedicure? | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all. You're only in group 1 by the skin of your teeth ya' know.... and isn't it about time you had a tooth pedicure?" Leave my tooth epidermis out of this FG! I'm in and I refuse to leave. | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all. You're only in group 1 by the skin of your teeth ya' know.... and isn't it about time you had a tooth pedicure? Leave my tooth epidermis out of this FG! I'm in and I refuse to leave." One word................."hotpants" | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all. You're only in group 1 by the skin of your teeth ya' know.... and isn't it about time you had a tooth pedicure? Leave my tooth epidermis out of this FG! I'm in and I refuse to leave. One word................."hotpants" "That was my idea! I even have the blue prints modeled by Soapy. You you you you... Hornswoggler!!! | |||
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"True hierarchy: 1. Awesome people (ME!!! and some others) 2. Everyone else. (You know who you are) That is all. You're only in group 1 by the skin of your teeth ya' know.... and isn't it about time you had a tooth pedicure? Leave my tooth epidermis out of this FG! I'm in and I refuse to leave. One word................."hotpants"
That was my idea! I even have the blue prints modeled by Soapy.
You you you you... Hornswoggler!!!"been called worse  LOL | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases .... "I don't understand? What hierachy? We all do what we want, that is why we are all on a swingers site, or have I missed something here? | |||
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"OP... If I set up a single male profile and said, "I'm a lying scumbag cheating on my twat of a wife" some how I think I might get some abusive email. No matter what you say to try and justify what you are doing some people will think you are scum and will try and tell you so. Now if you want to stop these nasties being sent to you, you could divorce your wife and be a real single guy or you could give up cheating on her. I find this kind of condescending post very uncomfortable. None of us are perfect and whatever we do, someone out there will judge us and think us wrong. There are people out there who would say to you that no matter how you try and justify it you are scum for letting strangers fuck your wife, that you have no respect for her and are only swinging as you think its a more acceptable way to fuck other women, you can't love her as you wouldn't let strangers fuck her and she can't think much of you as a man to want other men. With that in mind and knowing how you probably feel just reading what I've said, is it ok to judge how others live their lives. You are not going to meet the man, you don't know his wife so it has no effect on your life. Accept we are all different. " 'Condescending post'? ... not at all, its just the way it is, as I said 'some people' and some people will have all sorts of opinions, such as those who think swinging wives are nothing short of sluts and slags, and their husbands are not MEN for allowing them to do it! So what's the word then? If someone sees something they see as wrong they should not say anything about it? Where do any of you draw the line on that? Animal rights people may think I'm scum because I keep animals, should they all say nothing? Some religions/cultures demand female circumcision should we say nothing? Cheating on wife or husband is considered wrong by a large percentage of people. Interestingly cheating on wife or husband is considered OK and no one else's business by a large percentage of people (I'd guess those who are getting a good shag out of it perhaps not giving a toss about anyone getting hurt). Generally it seems its 'OK' until they get caught then all hell breaks loose. And its OK for people to aid and abet adultery under the heading of 'their morals are not my business'. I'm sure I'm not perfect and I certainly don't claim to be perfect but I do have a very simple moral code... don't do unto others... I would not, with intent do something likely to upset another person if its remotely possible to avoid it. We don't tell non-swinging friends/associates that we are swingers, why? Cos we'd get a load of shit for it. However, we haven't promised them that we won't do it and we are not married to any of them. And just to keep things straight I did NOT call adulterers scum... I simply said that 'some people' think they are scum. We actually have a few swinger friends who are married and playing away, but we don't swing with them. And so it still stands, if you don't want to risk getting shit for what you do because some people consider it to be wrong, don't do it. And I'm NOT saying, and I never said its OK to abuse people because you don't approve of what they do BUT it WILL happen | |||
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"@ CamSwing...... Quote : Dont forget us 'boring vanillas' at the bottom of the pile, holding up the entire list I'm gonna be debating with myself for hours now if you are pure vanilla or psuedo swingers..... I'm leaning toward the swinging side so far .... Intellesting.....velly intellesting. I've decided you are Swinillas!" @Granny Crumpet... Lol...recognition at last!
'Swinillas'...I like that..perhaps we should petition for our own room..I doubt if there would be many it in though
'Pseudo swingers'..hmm, that makes us sound like time wasting dodgy fibbers...nah..we are 100% gen and honest, some times too honest..I just wish we were more peoples cups of tea as there are some lovely people here..
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"I have watched with interest the respoce to this post ....I feel no need to answer any post in particular because it plan to see who is really liberal in there views and who for want of a better sentence are only liberal for there own sexual gratification . As soon as some one comes along who does not fit in with there true nature they can not help but let there liberal face mask slip ....oh well I was a little nieve that's all thinking everyone on these sites is operating outside of normal societies morals so would be very liberal ....and not feel the need to send hate mail or comment on another persons life style choice my mistake .....no biggy give a man or women enough rope and they will hang themselfs. as this post proves "You're not alone in your naivety. Where do you think Fab members are from? Planet Swing? No: from the general populace of good old earth. You along with many others assume this site is a free for all and no one should have a preference regarding marital status, age, sex, race, profession, size etc as this is loose moral city and we should just get it on right? Wrong!!! People will still pick and choose who they play with and some who don't get it will feel disgruntled if "excluded!" Some people need to get over that attitude quickly to enjoy this site. That's why I don't understand people that feel the need to write nasty letters to those they feel are outwith their "purist" view of swingers. I hope you reported them! | |||
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though his list was slightly different and in fact he missed married men. And I don't get why swingers should be less judgemental? Swingers have the right to choose who they will and won't play with surely | |||
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"I always smile when people put single women near the top of the hierarchy as I don't get as many meets as some I know on here. you'd be better off breaking it down by area, whether we can accommodate, if we have kids, whether we can travel, what colour we are, whether the woman is a BBW etc etc etc ad nauseum. Or you could spend your time messaging people for meets." Sending messages good grief whatever next | |||
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"Has this not been done already like 2 weeks ago though his list was slightly different and in fact he missed married men. And I don't get why swingers should be less judgemental? Swingers have the right to choose who they will and won't play with surely "People have the right to choose who they play with, that's a given. All of us on here are fairly liberal sexually I expect. But of course we all have preferences and we will judge others because that's human nature. But to send hate mail to people who choose to play in cirmstances we don't agree with is wrong and to post abuse and calling people scum loosely disguised in the words 'some people think you're scum' is also wrong. Its ok to state a preference, it isn't ok to post abuse about others. If you don't agree with something then don't look at the profile, similarly on a forum if you don't agree with something then say you disagree but there's no need for abuse and nastiness and there's no need to go on about peoples wives and how awful they must feel all alone at home and how they should get a divorce. Stop bloody preaching to people, whatever they do will have consequences for them not you. | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... " ...... but I think you are wrong, simples! | |||
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"Has this not been done already like 2 weeks ago though his list was slightly different and in fact he missed married men. And I don't get why swingers should be less judgemental? Swingers have the right to choose who they will and won't play with surely
People have the right to choose who they play with, that's a given. All of us on here are fairly liberal sexually I expect. But of course we all have preferences and we will judge others because that's human nature.
But to send hate mail to people who choose to play in cirmstances we don't agree with is wrong and to post abuse and calling people scum loosely disguised in the words 'some people think you're scum' is also wrong. Its ok to state a preference, it isn't ok to post abuse about others.
If you don't agree with something then don't look at the profile, similarly on a forum if you don't agree with something then say you disagree but there's no need for abuse and nastiness and there's no need to go on about peoples wives and how awful they must feel all alone at home and how they should get a divorce. Stop bloody preaching to people, whatever they do will have consequences for them not you.
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I really couldn't give a toss how others choose to conduct their lives, its entirely up to them.
The OP by his own admission said he was 'naive' I simply attempted to answer his question. He is now less naive than he was.
The phrase 'grow up' springs to mind for some reason... think of that what you will.
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"I always smile when people put single women near the top of the hierarchy as I don't get as many meets as some I know on here. you'd be better off breaking it down by area, whether we can accommodate, if we have kids, whether we can travel, what colour we are, whether the woman is a BBW etc etc etc ad nauseum. Or you could spend your time messaging people for meets. Sending messages good grief whatever next "It seems to be a novel idea for some on here. | |||
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"Afternoon people this will be my last post on my own topic ....to all the people who have commented on this post who think they have the moral high ground for what ever reason to pass judgement on a fellow human being like me... You need a wake up call and this is how a suggest you go about it ......being you are so sure you have the moral high ground go on to you face book page and post you belong to a swinger site and also what you like sexually ....and you will find out what I already know ..which is people in glass houses should never through stones ....the kettle should never call the pot black ......and as a very wise man once said he who is with out sin through the first stone ... "Applaud you... | |||
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"Is it about time for another TIMEWASTERS thread yet?, not seen one of those for a few hours." Your wish was granted! | |||
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"Since we're all going off topic and into abuse.... OP, based on this thread, your username is even less appropriate than mine." pretty good, pretty good! | |||
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"Afternoon people this will be my last post on my own topic ....to all the people who have commented on this post who think they have the moral high ground for what ever reason to pass judgement on a fellow human being like me... You need a wake up call and this is how a suggest you go about it ......being you are so sure you have the moral high ground go on to you face book page and post you belong to a swinger site and also what you like sexually ....and you will find out what I already know ..which is people in glass houses should never through stones ....the kettle should never call the pot black ......and as a very wise man once said he who is with out sin through the first stone ... "Why do I need to post that on my facebook page? Does everyone on face book tell everyone else about their sexual preferences? Does everyone on face book have any right to know all the ins and outs of my private life.... my sex life? I believe the answer is NO. Would the answer still be 'no' if I replaced the words "everyone on facebook" with the words "my partner" ? If I need to wake up because I know the difference between cheating and swinging, between being open, honest and respectful with your partner and being deceitful, dishonest and lying… then I think one of your mates should pass the anaesthetist a note to turn the oxygen up on your mask. | |||
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".... everyone has their own reasons for playing,and its really no one elses buisiness.." And I really wish they would keep it as no one else's business.... but they don't. They make it other people's business when they try and fob the forum off with their excuses for cheating. They make it other people's business when they expect their excuses to be welcomed with open arms by all. They make it my fucking business when they start saying that by being on a swinging site I am as bad as a cheating scumbag and that swingers have no moral right to oppose the actions of lying, deceitful married cheats. | |||
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".... everyone has their own reasons for playing,and its really no one elses buisiness.. And I really wish they would keep it as no one else's business.... but they don't. They make it other people's business when they try and fob the forum off with their excuses for cheating. They make it other people's business when they expect their excuses to be welcomed with open arms by all. They make it my fucking business when they start saying that by being on a swinging site I am as bad as a cheating scumbag and that swingers have no moral right to oppose the actions of lying, deceitful married cheats. " oops somebodys husband played away.... | |||
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".... everyone has their own reasons for playing,and its really no one elses buisiness.. And I really wish they would keep it as no one else's business.... but they don't. They make it other people's business when they try and fob the forum off with their excuses for cheating. They make it other people's business when they expect their excuses to be welcomed with open arms by all. They make it my fucking business when they start saying that by being on a swinging site I am as bad as a cheating scumbag and that swingers have no moral right to oppose the actions of lying, deceitful married cheats. oops somebodys husband played away...." If there's one way to make yourself look a (insert four letter word here - probably starting and enbding in 't') it's to start second guessing. BTW... another way is to have an aggressive profile promoting other sites.... but that's a different matter hey ho. You either have values in life about relationships or you don't. If you cannot understand the annoyance resulting from a person without such values telling someone with them that they should stoop to low moral code of a cheat.... then there is either much in life you don't understand or you are too selfish to give a shit. | |||
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".... everyone has their own reasons for playing,and its really no one elses buisiness.. And I really wish they would keep it as no one else's business.... but they don't. They make it other people's business when they try and fob the forum off with their excuses for cheating. They make it other people's business when they expect their excuses to be welcomed with open arms by all. They make it my fucking business when they start saying that by being on a swinging site I am as bad as a cheating scumbag and that swingers have no moral right to oppose the actions of lying, deceitful married cheats. oops somebodys husband played away.... If there's one way to make yourself look a (insert four letter word here - probably starting and enbding in 't') it's to start second guessing. BTW... another way is to have an aggressive profile promoting other sites.... but that's a different matter hey ho. You either have values in life about relationships or you don't. If you cannot understand the annoyance resulting from a person without such values telling someone with them that they should stoop to low moral code of a cheat.... then there is either much in life you don't understand or you are too selfish to give a shit. " hey hey...hey, come on. we're all tired. dont start baking frownies, its just fab sweetheart. not sure which website im promoting but thanks for taking the time to read my profile. no such thing as bad publicity they say. big kisses solo | |||
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"Do I think married people should be hunted down and outed? Do I think it's right to send abusive messages just because you discover a cheats profile? Do I think it's right to start a thread about married people cheating just because you found one? In case you are in any doubt, my answer to all of the above is 'no'. If they want to mind their own business keeping themselves to themselves then it is their life to fuck up as they wish. However, when someone decides to try and justify their act of cheating on a forum and expects it to be swallowed on mass... I have just as much right to express my beliefs abiout the subject. My belief being if they had a justifiable reason for cheating then they should be telling it to their partner not me. If they know their partner won't swallow it, then why should I? The most annoying thing.... and this really gets on my tits is being told that being on here makes us all just as bad as a cheat.... I haven't a fucking scooby doo how they work that one out. I find the underlying attitude towards people on swinging sites implied in their comments deeply insulting. " And everyone has their right to express their beliefs also...we are all on here for different reasons,some we choose not to divulge...whats the harm in it if nobody is getting hurt..i judge nobody..and i expect no one to judge me.. | |||
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"Do I think married people should be hunted down and outed? Do I think it's right to send abusive messages just because you discover a cheats profile? Do I think it's right to start a thread about married people cheating just because you found one? In case you are in any doubt, my answer to all of the above is 'no'. If they want to mind their own business keeping themselves to themselves then it is their life to fuck up as they wish. However, when someone decides to try and justify their act of cheating on a forum and expects it to be swallowed on mass... I have just as much right to express my beliefs abiout the subject. My belief being if they had a justifiable reason for cheating then they should be telling it to their partner not me. If they know their partner won't swallow it, then why should I? The most annoying thing.... and this really gets on my tits is being told that being on here makes us all just as bad as a cheat.... I haven't a fucking scooby doo how they work that one out. I find the underlying attitude towards people on swinging sites implied in their comments deeply insulting. And everyone has their right to express their beliefs also...we are all on here for different reasons,some we choose not to divulge...whats the harm in it if nobody is getting hurt..i judge nobody..and i expect no one to judge me.." And prey tell how am i fucking up my life....so far ive done ok and certainly dont need any preachings.. | |||
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"And prey tell how am i fucking up my life....so far ive done ok and certainly dont need any preachings.. Good for you... have a star for your badge.... and let's just hope no one gets hurt further down the road." My personal life has nothing to do with you,as yours does not mine...all im saying unless you have the facts...dont judge...and i dont do stars...i did them in primary school,and they got me no where... | |||
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" My personal life has nothing to do with you... If you don't want me to answer the question.... don't ask it. It's not that complicated to understand now is it." I dont recall i asked you to anwser the question...you took it upon yourself to presume..in which i rest my case,you know nothing about me.. | |||
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"if people are on here for whatever reason should we judge NO " What if they are on here to befriend single women with young children? Can we judge them then? To say we should have a blanket no judging approach is not only against human nature, but pretty foolish. | |||
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"if people are on here for whatever reason should we judge NO " thankyou at last someone with sense.. | |||
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"if people are on here for whatever reason should we judge NO What if they are on here to befriend single women with young children? Can we judge them then? To say we should have a blanket no judging approach is not only against human nature, but pretty foolish." That isnt the subject thou hun | |||
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"if people are on here for whatever reason should we judge NO thankyou at last someone with sense.." we are all on here for one thing or another we all love sex
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"if people are on here for whatever reason should we judge NO What if they are on here to befriend single women with young children? Can we judge them then? To say we should have a blanket no judging approach is not only against human nature, but pretty foolish." Its really not our buisiness...only they can decide how to live their lives..no one else...or we are all delusional.. | |||
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"Judging will always happen, wether any of us admit to it or not. Shoving that judgement down someones throat comes across as rude. Having your opinion without shoving it down peoples throats is acting like an adult." somehow for having an opinion on here im always wrong arnt i? it dosent seem to matter that im being judged in any way,and cant voice my opinion ??? | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases ....
Why the feck shud the fact we swing mean we have no morals
Swinging is about honesty and openess,where does being an adulterer fit into that?
i judge no ones kink, i accept have friends who are AB's, ykinmk defines me.But i still know right from wrong,unlike you
What choice have you given your wife about what you do?"Totally agree! To me this is a swinging site not a cheating site!!! | |||
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"Judging will always happen, wether any of us admit to it or not. Shoving that judgement down someones throat comes across as rude. Having your opinion without shoving it down peoples throats is acting like an adult.somehow for having an opinion on here im always wrong arnt i? it dosent seem to matter that im being judged in any way,and cant voice my opinion ???thankyou soooooo much for that xx dont let people beat you having a opinion and being able to say it write it makes a person in my eyes" | |||
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"There are married people on this forum who openly say they are here in secret behind their partners backs and an awful lot of people who banter and craic onto these members, while saying they dont want any part in the deceit. Is the forum any less part of the deceit, if the unaware spouse would be hurt by their partner even being on the site? If people decide against meeting married people then perhaps they should not engage with them in 'harmless' forum banter either. Just a thought. Not mine. I expressed those above. Its just an example of double standards." I kind of see your point. It's why I refuse and have refused to exchange banter with many an active cheat.... and in doing so I have helped one or two of them see the light before taking that first cheating step
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"Afternoon people this will be my last post on my own topic ....to all the people who have commented on this post who think they have the moral high ground for what ever reason to pass judgement on a fellow human being like me... You need a wake up call and this is how a suggest you go about it ......being you are so sure you have the moral high ground go on to you face book page and post you belong to a swinger site and also what you like sexually ....and you will find out what I already know ..which is people in glass houses should never through stones ....the kettle should never call the pot black ......and as a very wise man once said he who is with out sin through the first stone ... "Wise man ? I'd stick to factual comments rather than 2000 year old fabrications to back up an argument. A difference of opinion is not a 'moral high ground' You shout ever so loud for an innocent man. | |||
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"but how about the people who u dont know about and share a banter with, or is it you dont know and dont care?" If people choose to hide the fact they are married and cheating there is not a lot anyone can do is there.... other than hire an ex news of the world reporter to hack their phone. | |||
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"There are married people on this forum who openly say they are here in secret behind their partners backs and an awful lot of people who banter and craic onto these members, while saying they dont want any part in the deceit. Is the forum any less part of the deceit, if the unaware spouse would be hurt by their partner even being on the site? If people decide against meeting married people then perhaps they should not engage with them in 'harmless' forum banter either. Just a thought. Not mine. I expressed those above. Its just an example of double standards." I completely agree with this. There may be sexy, hot n horny, fun and charming married guys here who may not be playing and may only be here for the forum banter, but what if their wives dont know. What if their wives would be horrified to find messages off scantily clad women making suggestive remarks, regardless of whether these guys actually met the women off this site. Would women who hold the view that they would not play with married guys, but who so obviously flirt like crazy with them on the forum, secretly agreeing to a meeting if it was offered? Would those women who make suggestive remarks and who message privately these married guys, form the same view of cheating, if that wife were to find out and be devasted just by the banter alone. What about chatrooms in here, is it alright to say to married guys, ooo love your cock, your gorgeous, knowing that these guys are in a chatroom without their wives knowledge. But of course they are totally against cheaters, as long as they havent actually wrapped their pussy around the guys cock its ok isnt it? There are many levels of cheating, what levels do you find acceptable before you start the holier than thou relationship advice malarky. Like I said, let people do what they want, we either converse with them or we dont, but lets be constructive in what we say and dont abuse or preach. Not all cheaters, like Angie etc (sorry cant remember the full name) are evil conniving people. Some people make mistakes in life, the good people learn from them. | |||
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"Whats fascinating to me,are the people who preclaim they don`t judge on here ....really ...I mean really .... Fuck me...thats patently absurd... Do they fuck anything that moves....I doubt it ...they form a judgement wether, the person/s are suitable fer a skin on skin..dependent on values, taste, practicality, safety etc .. Our survival, welfare and happiness is relative to how well we can form judgement..and it pretty clear to me everyone judges.. All I would say is, if a person displays behaviour that indicates a propensity fer lying, deception, selfishness, then forget about any good will from me ...yer suck, and I couldn`t trust you.(are you surprised)and I don`t want you anywhere near me ... " plus uno | |||
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"NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE! I really don't get this. Explain it to me. It's used in lots of posts where peoples :- needs ,wants and opinions differ. 'No one has the right to judge what others do'. Is used time and time again. Yes others CAN and DO judge. No one has the RIGHT to lie and cheat, they just do. Just because YOU want to do something doesn't make it right. I'd lie a little more easy with ...... I don't give a fuck about anyone. Not even my family. The most sacred object on the planet are my throbbing genitals. but no ..... Wahhhhhhh don't judge me! What kindergarten are these people stuck in ?? Wha evaaaaaaaaaa!" Am just splitting my sides over that remark...so funny and sooooooo true xx | |||
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"There are married people on this forum who openly say they are here in secret behind their partners backs and an awful lot of people who banter and craic onto these members, while saying they dont want any part in the deceit. Is the forum any less part of the deceit, if the unaware spouse would be hurt by their partner even being on the site? If people decide against meeting married people then perhaps they should not engage with them in 'harmless' forum banter either. Just a thought. Not mine. I expressed those above. Its just an example of double standards. I kind of see your point. It's why I refuse and have refused to exchange banter with many an active cheat.... and in doing so I have helped one or two of them see the light before taking that first cheating step
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"Whats fascinating to me,are the people who preclaim they don`t judge on here ....really ...I mean really .... Fuck me...thats patently absurd... Do they fuck anything that moves....I doubt it ...they form a judgement wether, the person/s are suitable fer a skin on skin..dependent on values, taste, practicality, safety etc .. Our survival, welfare and happiness is relative to how well we can form judgement..and it pretty clear to me everyone judges.. All I would say is, if a person displays behaviour that indicates a propensity fer lying, deception, selfishness, then forget about any good will from me ...yer suck, and I couldn`t trust you.(are you surprised)and I don`t want you anywhere near me ... " I don't want violent men who like to dish out the odd slap near me. I don't want thieves, fraudsters, con men etc etc. They're lying when they hide that from you in their profiles, same as married people are hiding stuff. So anyone has the capability to lie and be deceitful if the lie is even about the kind of car they drive. You can judge from what people tell you to get the best possible scenario for you personlly but if you don't have the full facts which the person has to convey to you then your judgement is going to fail sometimes. If you are embarking on sex with strangers on an nsa basis they are not in your 'lives' so if they want to be Walter Mitty they will be and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that because there will be nobody else but the parties involved to confirm anything either way. We all have the ideal scenario but there are no cast iron guarantees of it being based on truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth married single or whatever status. | |||
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Every single one of us judges. We do this because we are human (or so I hope).
I judge for certain, its there in my head. I hope though that I would not be deliberately nasty or antagonistic. At times I have done, I accept I make mistakes.
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"Underage sex slaves don`t impact on my life in any demonstrable way.... But I have a moral view...its part of whats fashionably called the social contract or covenant...its human association and a collective life within societies..how are taboos arrived at in societies...whats the deterrent...peer review ? Thatcher in conjunction with Reagan grabbed the concept of rugged individualism and ran with it....what doesn`t affect me, doesn`t concern me philosophy writ large... I think differently ...there tis.. " I agree, however I thought it far too laborious to attempt to explain how everyone is affected to an adult who says that behaviours are acceptable as long as it doesn't affect them ..... | |||
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"Underage sex slaves don`t impact on my life in any demonstrable way.... But I have a moral view...its part of whats fashionably called the social contract or covenant...its human association and a collective life within societies..how are taboos arrived at in societies...whats the deterrent...peer review ? Thatcher in conjunction with Reagan grabbed the concept of rugged individualism and ran with it....what doesn`t affect me, doesn`t concern me philosophy writ large... I think differently ...there tis.. I agree, however I thought it far too laborious to attempt to explain how everyone is affected to an adult who says that behaviours are acceptable as long as it doesn't affect them ....." A rather curious point of view...theirs, not yours ! I`m sure with abit of effort..ie..thinking, I`m sure they can arrive at a sane conclusion... | |||
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"I shouldn't ask....but I will How can the adultery of someone else, a swinger on a swingers site, a stranger to me, who I will never meet......affect me?" Hang on Jane Im reading up .... to what you said .. | |||
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"I couldn't give a shite what other swingers do.... It's what I do that matters to me" You said this ...not that ....? | |||
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"Before I start im not moaning just pointing out things as they seem to be ... In my experience even on alternative life style sites like this there's seems to be a hierarchy in force ... It seems to go like this in acceptablity and dessirablity ... Swinging couples ... Swinging single women ...... Swinging playing alone married women.... Swinging single men .... And the most unexceptable married guys who play alone ..... Now don't get me wrong i'm a married guy and i have had success on affair sites but its the same on them ... Yes as human beings we all have the right to choose who we play with but you would think on a alternative life style sites like this you would get less judgement people alsa that's far from the truth in a lot of cases .... "still don't get it. Though this was a query about hierarchy? "A hierarchy can link entities either directly or indirectly, and either vertically or horizontally. The only direct links in a hierarchy, insofar as they are hierarchical, are to one's immediate superior or to one of one's subordinates, although a system that is largely hierarchical can also incorporate alternative hierarchies. Indirect hierarchical links can extend "vertically" upwards or downwards via multiple links in the same direction, following a path. All parts of the hierarchy which are not linked vertically to one another nevertheless can be "horizontally" linked through a path by traveling up the hierarchy to find a common direct or indirect superior, and then down again. This is akin to two co-workers or colleagues; each reports to a common superior, but they have the same relative amount of authority." Source: Wiki | |||
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"i need a cuppa after reading all that , but i am scared to have an opinion incase i get jailed for 20 years lol " You're quite safe from prison, they are full of rioters at the moment and apparently the courts a struggling with the workload. Now I'd guess that because of this lower priority cases may have to take a back seat, such as divorce cases. The upshot is we could be faced with a rise in husbands/wive's betraying their partners taking advantage of the situation!!! Maybe a new thread is required... Have the courts got their priorities right? Should divorce cases be top of the list? It's a lot more popular than rioting and therefore adversely effects more people! Who is worse off, the victim of a riot or the victim of adultery? | |||
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"Has this not been done already like 2 weeks ago though his list was slightly different and in fact he missed married men. And I don't get why swingers should be less judgemental? Swingers have the right to choose who they will and won't play with surely
People have the right to choose who they play with, that's a given. All of us on here are fairly liberal sexually I expect. But of course we all have preferences and we will judge others because that's human nature.
But to send hate mail to people who choose to play in cirmstances we don't agree with is wrong and to post abuse and calling people scum loosely disguised in the words 'some people think you're scum' is also wrong. Its ok to state a preference, it isn't ok to post abuse about others.
If you don't agree with something then don't look at the profile, similarly on a forum if you don't agree with something then say you disagree but there's no need for abuse and nastiness and there's no need to go on about peoples wives and how awful they must feel all alone at home and how they should get a divorce. Stop bloody preaching to people, whatever they do will have consequences for them not you.
"Strange as no-where in my post have I called anyone scum and neither have I sent the OP hate mail yet you seem to implied I have done both Neither have I preached to anyone but you seem to have said I have done that too and I have re-read my comment yet it doesn't say that either | |||
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"Has this not been done already like 2 weeks ago though his list was slightly different and in fact he missed married men. And I don't get why swingers should be less judgemental? Swingers have the right to choose who they will and won't play with surely
People have the right to choose who they play with, that's a given. All of us on here are fairly liberal sexually I expect. But of course we all have preferences and we will judge others because that's human nature.
But to send hate mail to people who choose to play in cirmstances we don't agree with is wrong and to post abuse and calling people scum loosely disguised in the words 'some people think you're scum' is also wrong. Its ok to state a preference, it isn't ok to post abuse about others.
If you don't agree with something then don't look at the profile, similarly on a forum if you don't agree with something then say you disagree but there's no need for abuse and nastiness and there's no need to go on about peoples wives and how awful they must feel all alone at home and how they should get a divorce. Stop bloody preaching to people, whatever they do will have consequences for them not you.
Strange as no-where in my post have I called anyone scum and neither have I sent the OP hate mail yet you seem to implied I have done both Neither have I preached to anyone but you seem to have said I have done that too and I have re-read my comment yet it doesn't say that either "There were several posts before yours where "scum" was used: I didn't read Iconic's post at aimed at you but them and those people who see fit to send hate mail. | |||
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