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"I think a lot jump on the band wagon when it comes to shorting some one down for a comment made on here, they probably agree but don't want to be seen as agreeing so just follow the masses." I get that as I've seen this pattern many times on here. But this is really infuriating me as I feel it is ignorance of the masses in speaking out about the wrongs....it's a lot easier to call the person a racist or bigots. | |||
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"It happens on many subjects even the not so serious ones" It's about time some people checked their consciences  | |||
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"I get that you can't put the action of a few on a whole group, the OP in the thread in question kinda did that. But iirc the first comment said what I just said, so from there it should have been a proper debate. But for some reason people lost their minds? Getting mad and having a meltdown! Was pretty embarrassing lmao " Are you talking about this thread...or another that I'm not aware of? | |||
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"I get that you can't put the action of a few on a whole group, the OP in the thread in question kinda did that. But iirc the first comment said what I just said, so from there it should have been a proper debate. But for some reason people lost their minds? Getting mad and having a meltdown! Was pretty embarrassing lmao Are you talking about this thread...or another that I'm not aware of?" another one you're not aware of I'm assuming, on same topic but got deleted | |||
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"I get that you can't put the action of a few on a whole group, the OP in the thread in question kinda did that. But iirc the first comment said what I just said, so from there it should have been a proper debate. But for some reason people lost their minds? Getting mad and having a meltdown! Was pretty embarrassing lmao Are you talking about this thread...or another that I'm not aware of? another one you're not aware of I'm assuming, on same topic but got deleted " Well I hope this one doesn't go the same way....as this needs addressing and being scared to speak or getting stopped speaking about this just compounds my op. | |||
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"It happens on many subjects even the not so serious ones It's about time some people checked their consciences "Well I wouldn't go that far. | |||
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"Trouble is, the world's full of cunts." Sums it up quite well. | |||
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"Trouble is, the world's full of cunts. Sums it up quite well. " I don't think so....comments like that just courts controversy | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same." I agree to some extent on this....but the problem in mind is a lot more serious but it does stem from this. I do not believe in exclusion of any kind but! These abused kids where totally excluded for years and it far out weighs any political correctness. | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same." The reason the union jack is deemed offencive, is because the national front used it as a symbol of hate. Which is the most disgusting affront to my country I have ever seen, it should be a symbol of greatness, not a symbol of hate, it's my flag, and I want it back | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same." Most of the examples you've given are tabloid and social media bullshit. | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same. The reason the union jack is deemed offencive, is because the national front used it as a symbol of hate. Which is the most disgusting affront to my country I have ever seen, it should be a symbol of greatness, not a symbol of hate, it's my flag, and I want it back" If ever I end up in Brum, you sir will be joining me for a pint  | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same. Most of the examples you've given are tabloid and social media bullshit. " Most of my examples have been from my kids schools not social media. | |||
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"It's frustrating, you see I've seen racism first hand, and it has little to do with the colour of a board in a class, and more to do with being a 17 year old lad getting beaten with pool cues because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time with brown skin The reason pc has gone mad, is because a couple of generation ago, it was impossible to escape it, I remember seeing my dad crying because he didn’t know how to get people at work to stop calling him sambo, this day was particularly bad, because the had all new coverall jackets with name tags, and his name tag said sambo The problem today is the mass spread of shit on Facebook and the like, with fake stories popping up, one I remember was about a serving British soldier who was turned away from a tesco in London because his uniform might cause offence On the first read I was mad as hell,but then the thought occurred to me that I wasn't sure if armed forces were allowed to wear uniform in public. Upon looking into it (god bless Google) I found not only was the story fake, but there is no tesco in that area. Too many people do get a bit over sensitive when it comes to race, on both sides if there is a side to be on, I personally still call it a black board, sung bah bah black sheep to my kids, that's me. We need to prioritise what really hurts people, when primark removed the "einy meeny miney more" T shirt, it was because the original rhyme had a racist word in it, in the show negan replaced that word with tiger. But the thing that bothers me about it was that people complained about the rhyme part of it all, but we're fine with some bloke bashing two blokes heads in with a baseball bat "Thank you for that we'll wrote post. I am a little older then you and grew up with a lot of racist "mates" I put it in comers as they still are now and most off them have changed there ways...but yeah you are right as back then it was rife. I would never ever condone racism in any form whatsoever. And that is why I am speaking out on the issue as only debating it in a calm manner will do this subject any justice. Thanks again for your post | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same. Most of the examples you've given are tabloid and social media bullshit. Most of my examples have been from my kids schools not social media." Of course it is. 
Its this attitude that causes problems as much as libtards going too far the other way. Just treat people like you want to be treated, don't be a dick, ignore tabloids telling you what to think, and life will be a lot less stressful. | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity. The PC Police as so busy trying to create non-offensive terminology and behaviour its becoming more offensive. Bah bah rainbow sheep, who ever saw a multicoloured sheep? Banning poppies so not to offend, is offending our own armed forces, veterans and relatives. Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people, it's our countries flag ffs, we don't moan about other countries displaying their own flags. Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? They're so afraid of offending other cultures they don't realise it's offending the British people in Britain. I don't care where your from, who you do/don't pray to, i treat everybody with the respect they deserve and would like to be treated the same. Most of the examples you've given are tabloid and social media bullshit. Most of my examples have been from my kids schools not social media. Of course it is.
Its this attitude that causes problems as much as libtards going too far the other way. Just treat people like you want to be treated, don't be a dick, ignore tabloids telling you what to think, and life will be a lot less stressful."So we should all say nothing....great | |||
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"The issue was not political correctness and never has been. The issue was that up to only 10 years ago the victims were not believed due to their age, or social background no matter who they accused. " completely this. it's disgusting how our social services have misconceived preconceptions about the poor and those from a 'lower status' background, even those in their own care. and that is exactly the opposite of being politically correct. and they still have these preconceptions despite their own inside abuse that happened from the people supposed to be looking after these children. | |||
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"The issue was not political correctness and never has been. The issue was that up to only 10 years ago the victims were not believed due to their age, or social background no matter who they accused. completely this. it's disgusting how our social services have misconceived preconceptions about the poor and those from a 'lower status' background, even those in their own care. and that is exactly the opposite of being politically correct. and they still have these preconceptions despite their own inside abuse that happened from the people supposed to be looking after these children. " I agree | |||
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"From what I see on this forum, it is true 90% of the time. It is why most discussions don't stand a chance. I can only assume people don't actually read the whole posts , see one word and call people names so the discussion goes a whole different way" Well I'm hoping by not having a controversial title this gets a reasoned debate. It's not going to be popular and most will stay away from it for fear of being unpopular...which is a shame. | |||
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"No not the laptop type. I'm talking about political correctness! I know this will not go down to well! But I have just got to have my say. So anyone who speaks out on here about the racist crimes against the young white girls seem to get shot down as being a bigot or racist! I feel this cannot go on as this is stopping people talking about serious crimes that are happening all around the country. Dare anyone speak out and they are the racists or bigots....it's wrong! And it is infuriating me as it appears to be reverse bigotry on here." i agree they can call what ever makes them feel big coming from Rotherham Id heard about this yrs ago once my daughter was old enough to go out on her own I never let or go to town or meadowhall on her own people new but kept quiet tossers | |||
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"I'm against hatred against others that's fuelled by prejudice and haven't read threads about the mass horrors against children on here - they don't help the victims and it's a given that the crime is 100% wrong, so I don't join a thread that is pointless to me. But problems and crimes that affect or originate at particular groups, races etc are just that and it's ignorant to pretend otherwise. I don't know anything about this case, so would be equally ignorant if commenting - which is insulating. There is a problem with speaking against political correctness as there are no specific laws and it's a broad brush term that could mean everything and nothing - I'd prefer to be specific upon a clear point. I thought that we were now beyond the point of anyone being repressed from explicit identification of a culture specific issue though? I try not to overlook the obvious - it appears that a disproportionate number of men from one group may be committing such heinous crimes. It would help me to investigate further though, as I'm not well briefed. But it's definitely important that we don't make inappropriate slurs against others - laws and site rules are there for good reasons. " You have put some good points up there but let me tell you how I hit on this issue. It was after watching a drama/documentary called "three girls" which was the horrific case of child abuse in Rochdale which really sickened me. After what I had seen in the ending titles where it summed up the towns where this type of crime had been committed by the same group of people...and my town had also hit the headlines (well kept mainly low key by the main news agencies) I looked back in the local news paper...as I was bemused that I had not heard about this around 3 years earlier. I was horrified to read what had happened. Since then there has been a further case only a few weeks ago of a uncle and nephew who was had groom young vulnerable girls from a children's home....the nephew had been a youth worker which makes it all the more despicable and a big cheese in the Asian community. Since then I have spoken to local independent politicians and have been told of the political policy was not to speak out against this in fear of upsetting the Asian community! It is rife...it is across the country and it need speaking about!! Heads in sand and fear of upsetting people is totally the wrong way to broach this...the kid gloves have got to come off. | |||
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"P.c was meant to be a way to premote equality. Now it's used far to easily by those it suits to get what they want. I'm a realist not a racist as I hate no one and no race.So I will talk about the things that do happen that are in the favour of the PC Card users. I asked a valid question at uni. We was talking about why the uk was being flooded with refugees that were fleeing problems in there own country's. All I did was ask.Why do the majority of these people fly over or travel through other safe country's to get here?Is it because of our benifits system and free housing and the nhs. I was deemed a racist and told to shut up for asking that perfectly valid question. Is that us being politically correct or politically castrating our freedom of speech? We was also told at uni we couldn't have bacon on our lunch menu for fear of upsetting others views. We can all see that some crimes do happen that are mainly committed by certain origins but we can't mention it as were politically castrated. My cousin took over a business and had to find ways to save the company money to make it a success again. The one lady that was always late and when she was there she wasn't good at her job was the obvious candidate for the job cut that was needed so terminated her contract. She took him to court saying it was racism because she's Indian and tyres to say that's why he fired her. Her brother now owns a shop quite local to us.The first thing he did was sack all the white people working there.Even all the suppliers were changed to Indian suppliers.Every person working there is now Indian right down to even the paper boy the person that supply's the milk everything was instantly changed to Indian people only. Now if that was a white person doing that we would be in court for racism instantly. How can that be Pc and fair for all? Also how is saying your going to intergrate into a country yet some choose to live in huge community's of there own race? The st gorges cross that's even started to be classed as racist now.When is it going to end? When are the blind PC world idiots that have been brainwashed by goverment propaganda going to wake up? That guy in London that showed the stats about the unemployment rates.All he did was say the truth.Theres more forginers and new uk citizens claiming benifits in London than there is English people.He got fired for saying that.Why it's just the stats and the truth. Why is every life on benefits style tv program about white English people when there's whole community's of other origins claiming benifits? Why is the word coloured classed as racist when honky isn't? Why can't you even put your own sexuall preference on your own profile on a sex site without being deemed a racist? As I said the words arnt politically correct anymore. It's poloitically castrated as pc is hugely in the favour of those that use that card at our expense and our realist views are now silenced by pc. " You have brought up a lot of sensible points that are wrong in the system of political correctness. But as you can gather by my last post this is more on a specific issue against the grooming of kids that is getting my goat but thanks for the post | |||
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"I met a police officer who'd been in trouble for race discrimination. He worked in Brixton. In his defence he said something like "If i see someone running down the high road at 3 o'clock in the morning, holding a plasma telly, I'll try and stop them. It's not my fault if evertime that's happened, the individual turned out to be black". He was moved. " Sorry clem but this thread is not about race discrimination. As I have stated I want no part of that....this is about child abuse by a specific group that needs debating | |||
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"I met a police officer who'd been in trouble for race discrimination. He worked in Brixton. In his defence he said something like "If i see someone running down the high road at 3 o'clock in the morning, holding a plasma telly, I'll try and stop them. It's not my fault if evertime that's happened, the individual turned out to be black". He was moved. Sorry clem but this thread is not about race discrimination. As I have stated I want no part of that....this is about child abuse by a specific group that needs debating "But mistress,you open a can and the worms will come out,digression will always take place in the forum,its like youtube you start on one vid and eventually end up watching something totally different,only analogy i can think off | |||
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"I met a police officer who'd been in trouble for race discrimination. He worked in Brixton. In his defence he said something like "If i see someone running down the high road at 3 o'clock in the morning, holding a plasma telly, I'll try and stop them. It's not my fault if evertime that's happened, the individual turned out to be black". He was moved. Sorry clem but this thread is not about race discrimination. As I have stated I want no part of that....this is about child abuse by a specific group that needs debating
But mistress,you open a can and the worms will come out,digression will always take place in the forum,its like youtube you start on one vid and eventually end up watching something totally different,only analogy i can think off"Yeah you could be quite correct...but I think this subject requires some serious debate
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"Is it a cultural thing? Does it occur in Pakistan? Or is it because they don't respect white girls? " I would say it's more to do with the way they have been educated/brought up here. | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes " I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group "I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general 
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong. | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong. "So cultural? | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural? "I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it "So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex? | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong. "Well to reply to you and in some way reply to clem above....would you say it's cultural? Don't get me wrong I'm not having a go..but the evidence does seem to suggest this to me | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex? "They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds "I don't know if they concentrate on white girls or not to be honest. | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds "I was listening to a discussion about this earlier where the theory was posed that these gangs target white girls not because of any white hatred but because if they targeted their own race/religion whatever, not only would they be subject to legal repercussions but the possibility of honour killings etc. Not sure the factual accuracy of this but it's another theory to add to the discussion. | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds
I was listening to a discussion about this earlier where the theory was posed that these gangs target white girls not because of any white hatred but because if they targeted their own race/religion whatever, not only would they be subject to legal repercussions but the possibility of honour killings etc. Not sure the factual accuracy of this but it's another theory to add to the discussion. "Honour killings? | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex? "Supply and demand? There are a lot more white female children in the country than there is Asian female children. Statistically even the opportunist abuser is likely to find a white female child first, regardless of his religion. | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds "You are right there is and it is not just a UK problem and it's not just Asians. And your right they are sick bastards but is it not a case of racism when they do not do it in their birth country or to their own groups? | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
Supply and demand?
There are a lot more white female children in the country than there is Asian female children. Statistically even the opportunist abuser is likely to find a white female child first, regardless of his religion."If you live in a predominantly Asian area.... | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds
I was listening to a discussion about this earlier where the theory was posed that these gangs target white girls not because of any white hatred but because if they targeted their own race/religion whatever, not only would they be subject to legal repercussions but the possibility of honour killings etc. Not sure the factual accuracy of this but it's another theory to add to the discussion.
Honour killings? "Generally perpetrated against women but also against men who are seen to have brought shame upon their families/community. | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds
I was listening to a discussion about this earlier where the theory was posed that these gangs target white girls not because of any white hatred but because if they targeted their own race/religion whatever, not only would they be subject to legal repercussions but the possibility of honour killings etc. Not sure the factual accuracy of this but it's another theory to add to the discussion.
Honour killings? "You've heard of them before clem...it usually involves a can of petrol | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds
I was listening to a discussion about this earlier where the theory was posed that these gangs target white girls not because of any white hatred but because if they targeted their own race/religion whatever, not only would they be subject to legal repercussions but the possibility of honour killings etc. Not sure the factual accuracy of this but it's another theory to add to the discussion.
Honour killings?
You've heard of them before clem...it usually involves a can of petrol"Probably lack of education again eh? | |||
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"Its fine to have a sensible debate but it is wrong to vilify or judge an entire ethnic group based on upon these henious crimes I'm not after vilifying any groups as stated it's the sweeping it under the carpet as not to upset groups gets me. I don't have the answer...should it be better education....is it racism on these offenders? I don't know and that is why I started this thread. All I do know is not talking about it helps no one. So to sum up its not been started to be controversial and it is definitely not to just have a poke at a ethnic group
I didnt mean you specifically i meant in general
I dont think its down to education because surely people know thatis wrong.
So cultural?
I definatley dont think its cultural otherwise all my friends and family would be doing it
So what do you think drives these Muslim Asian men and women to target white female children for sex?
They are just sick bastards and perhaps not just an asian problem. Are there not gangs in Europe from other backgrounds where this kind of thing has happened but from different backgrounds
I was listening to a discussion about this earlier where the theory was posed that these gangs target white girls not because of any white hatred but because if they targeted their own race/religion whatever, not only would they be subject to legal repercussions but the possibility of honour killings etc. Not sure the factual accuracy of this but it's another theory to add to the discussion.
Honour killings?
You've heard of them before clem...it usually involves a can of petrol
Probably lack of education again eh?"I see what your getting at
So for the record it seems to me it is a cross between culture and racism.
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"I think a lot jump on the band wagon when it comes to shorting some one down for a comment made on here, they probably agree but don't want to be seen as agreeing so just follow the masses. Yup. A la Lord of the Flies. Safety in numbers" Well the masses don't seem to want to get involved in this thread | |||
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" Probably lack of education again eh? I see what your getting at
So for the record it seems to me it is a cross between culture and racism.
I could be wrong but that is how it seems."A blind person coulda told you that haha There's a lot of misogyny in their culture, especially towards behaviour and how girls dress. They have to cover up and be respectful otherwise they have no dignity and deserve what happens (not that it stops men anyway) It sort of behaviour and dress sense that is normal among white girls that is less common among strict religious girl ( generalising a bit). That's a cause why they're seen as inferior and targets and they're often lower class without decent families and communities to protect them. ( and blah blah whites can be sexist too saves some twat typing it out ). There's some thoughts, perhaps could be better put lol | |||
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" Probably lack of education again eh? I see what your getting at
So for the record it seems to me it is a cross between culture and racism.
I could be wrong but that is how it seems.
A blind person coulda told you that haha
There's a lot of misogyny in their culture, especially towards behaviour and how girls dress. They have to cover up and be respectful otherwise they have no dignity and deserve what happens (not that it stops men anyway) It sort of behaviour and dress sense that is normal among white girls that is less common among strict religious girl ( generalising a bit). That's a cause why they're seen as inferior and targets and they're often lower class without decent families and communities to protect them. ( and blah blah whites can be sexist too saves some twat typing it out ). There's some thoughts, perhaps could be better put lol"Blind person might have struggle to type it...oh hang on he might have typed it better
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" Probably lack of education again eh? I see what your getting at
So for the record it seems to me it is a cross between culture and racism.
I could be wrong but that is how it seems.
A blind person coulda told you that haha
There's a lot of misogyny in their culture, especially towards behaviour and how girls dress. They have to cover up and be respectful otherwise they have no dignity and deserve what happens (not that it stops men anyway) It sort of behaviour and dress sense that is normal among white girls that is less common among strict religious girl ( generalising a bit). That's a cause why they're seen as inferior and targets and they're often lower class without decent families and communities to protect them. ( and blah blah whites can be sexist too saves some twat typing it out ). There's some thoughts, perhaps could be better put lol
Blind person might have struggle to type it...oh hang on he might have typed it better
So what do you think the solution to this is?" That's the much harder question, less relioigion and cultural marxism, perhaps build a wall? Idk lol
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. " You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. " I can't add anything to that as it sums it up perfectly | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care!" inactive 'care' obviously | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously" Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets. | |||
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"If these cases had nothing to do with race, why wern't white paedophiles invited? " well that would be because they werent paedophiles themselves | |||
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"If these cases had nothing to do with race, why wern't white paedophiles invited? " I'm not saying it does or doesn't have to do with race. But just because a cultural group is close knitted doesn't mean it is racist, I mean sometimes it's simply a case of being with your known network? Is a group of white "friends" meeting for a book group automatically racist because they've not invited someone they don't know from another race who likes books along? And I'm not meaning to downplay the heinous crime by equating an interest in paedophilia with bibliophilia. | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. " Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. " Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this. | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this." Just saying that although we shouldn't be afraid to say what we think about these abhorrent offenders, we shouldn't make it about anything other than The fact they are simply hideous human beings, no matter what other labels we wish to place on them | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this." The point being the singling out of one aspect of grouping alone as the issue. Race. Or could have been religion. Gender. Age. Socio economic status. And in focusing on one aspect and beating a drum about how that one aspect must be discussed it *is* tarring anyone in that category by association as being a potential threat by nature of the grouping. Now if that is what your PC brigade (or what other title you give them) is pushing back on, then sign me up -- because that kind of blinkered focus isn't helpful. But yes, to not be able to discuss the intersection of all the potential elements in play would be problematic -- we need to have open conversations to understand what went wrong here. But if the outrage is more vocal because there's an underlying glee in having a negative hook to perpetuate pre-existing racist views on, no thanks -- not interested. | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this. The point being the singling out of one aspect of grouping alone as the issue. Race. Or could have been religion. Gender. Age. Socio economic status. And in focusing on one aspect and beating a drum about how that one aspect must be discussed it *is* tarring anyone in that category by association as being a potential threat by nature of the grouping. Now if that is what your PC brigade (or what other title you give them) is pushing back on, then sign me up -- because that kind of blinkered focus isn't helpful. But yes, to not be able to discuss the intersection of all the potential elements in play would be problematic -- we need to have open conversations to understand what went wrong here. But if the outrage is more vocal because there's an underlying glee in having a negative hook to perpetuate pre-existing racist views on, no thanks -- not interested. " So much more eloquently put than I ever could, thanks, that's exactly my point | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this. The point being the singling out of one aspect of grouping alone as the issue. Race. Or could have been religion. Gender. Age. Socio economic status. And in focusing on one aspect and beating a drum about how that one aspect must be discussed it *is* tarring anyone in that category by association as being a potential threat by nature of the grouping. Now if that is what your PC brigade (or what other title you give them) is pushing back on, then sign me up -- because that kind of blinkered focus isn't helpful. But yes, to not be able to discuss the intersection of all the potential elements in play would be problematic -- we need to have open conversations to understand what went wrong here. But if the outrage is more vocal because there's an underlying glee in having a negative hook to perpetuate pre-existing racist views on, no thanks -- not interested. " I'm sorry if you feel that I have a racist element about me...but if you have read this through and feel my views are racist so be it....I am not going to justify my concerns on this issue to anyone as it is by far above what has been happening to these girls to get into he's racist arguments. | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this. The point being the singling out of one aspect of grouping alone as the issue. Race. Or could have been religion. Gender. Age. Socio economic status. And in focusing on one aspect and beating a drum about how that one aspect must be discussed it *is* tarring anyone in that category by association as being a potential threat by nature of the grouping. Now if that is what your PC brigade (or what other title you give them) is pushing back on, then sign me up -- because that kind of blinkered focus isn't helpful. But yes, to not be able to discuss the intersection of all the potential elements in play would be problematic -- we need to have open conversations to understand what went wrong here. But if the outrage is more vocal because there's an underlying glee in having a negative hook to perpetuate pre-existing racist views on, no thanks -- not interested. " Oh.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235 I wont go on facebook and start posting hate pages about an entire race or those practising a a different religion... from widespread abuse for decades, possibly centuries...by indigenous types..and specifically those who were practising care/preaching religious code and conduct. whether its PC or not, there appears to be an easy target for hate these days. | |||
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"The victims were vulnerable teenagers from deprived backgrounds who were targeted in “honeypot locations” (takeout joints etc) where youngsters would hang out. They were bribed into keeping quiet about the abuse with alcohol, drugs, food, money and other gifts. You ask why white girls? Perhaps the equivalent Asian girls weren't hanging out at these locations...? Perhaps "culturally" they weren't allowed to...? I mean that as no slur to either grouping. But maybe the situation was merely that, and it was targeting prey vulnerable and accessible enough, by these men... Perhaps it was specifically not targeting girls from a similar cultural/ethnic background, perhaps it wasn't. What it certainly was, was perpetrators of sexual crimes, and victims being abused. And the protective institutions failing to investigate adequately when alerted, and that may have complexities of "fear of upsetting communities at the time based on fear of racist accusations -- yes, and this has been highlighted -- but as concerning, if not more so to me, is the failure to hold the victims' of worth investigating on behalf of. Had this been an uncovering of abuse against more privileged, educated, richer white girls then I don't believe the fear of upsetting an ethnic community would have held the institutions back -- where is the outrage for the ignoring the voice of poverty whether the impoverished are white, black, brown or wherever colour? This isn't just about skin colour. Totally agree. I would also like to add that we still can't fall into the trap of saying it's always (insert race/religion/profession/any other label)! Do we say it's always popular to presenters or 70's glam rockers! We don't, and it's not political correctness to do that, it's just decent human nature imo. Sorry but I'm not getting your point on this. The point being the singling out of one aspect of grouping alone as the issue. Race. Or could have been religion. Gender. Age. Socio economic status. And in focusing on one aspect and beating a drum about how that one aspect must be discussed it *is* tarring anyone in that category by association as being a potential threat by nature of the grouping. Now if that is what your PC brigade (or what other title you give them) is pushing back on, then sign me up -- because that kind of blinkered focus isn't helpful. But yes, to not be able to discuss the intersection of all the potential elements in play would be problematic -- we need to have open conversations to understand what went wrong here. But if the outrage is more vocal because there's an underlying glee in having a negative hook to perpetuate pre-existing racist views on, no thanks -- not interested. I'm sorry if you feel that I have a racist element about me...but if you have read this through and feel my views are racist so be it....I am not going to justify my concerns on this issue to anyone as it is by far above what has been happening to these girls to get into he's racist arguments. " I'm sorry that you've clearly misunderstood what I am saying if you think I've called you racist. I was trying to clarify why your phrasing could be construed as such. There's a massive difference between these two points. I attempted to explain the nuance but I don't appear to have done so in a way that you're not personalising my post as a direct attack of you, I'd have hoped you knew me better than that Miss D. | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets." They exploited vunerable girls. There are 1000s of vunerable people that get exploited everyday which we dont hear about a lot of it behind closed doors and i dare say there are some vunerable people on here too. In this case they were caucasian girls. One of the questions i think we need to be asking is how they were exploited so easily ? | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets. They exploited vunerable girls. There are 1000s of vunerable people that get exploited everyday which we dont hear about a lot of it behind closed doors and i dare say there are some vunerable people on here too. In this case they were caucasian girls. One of the questions i think we need to be asking is how they were exploited so easily ?" I think this deserves a reply even as I cannot answer it fully...but you are asking the question I have been asking for months. Why didn't the police listen to them...why didn't the social services or even for those in school...we're not listened to. Some girls went and reported it to the police only to get charged for racist crimes! So I'm sorry I can't answer you on this as I really do not have one. | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets. They exploited vunerable girls. There are 1000s of vunerable people that get exploited everyday which we dont hear about a lot of it behind closed doors and i dare say there are some vunerable people on here too. In this case they were caucasian girls. One of the questions i think we need to be asking is how they were exploited so easily ? I think this deserves a reply even as I cannot answer it fully...but you are asking the question I have been asking for months. Why didn't the police listen to them...why didn't the social services or even for those in school...we're not listened to. Some girls went and reported it to the police only to get charged for racist crimes! So I'm sorry I can't answer you on this as I really do not have one. This is what is think is the crux of the matter. Not who committed the crimes but why were they allowed to be comitted in the first place and why the authorities let those poor girls down in the first place. Did the authorties think they were worthless too !" Very similar words to what one of the offenders said in the Rochdale trial whist trying to put the blame on the girls family and community to validate what he had done was not wrong! | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets. They exploited vunerable girls. There are 1000s of vunerable people that get exploited everyday which we dont hear about a lot of it behind closed doors and i dare say there are some vunerable people on here too. In this case they were caucasian girls. One of the questions i think we need to be asking is how they were exploited so easily ? I think this deserves a reply even as I cannot answer it fully...but you are asking the question I have been asking for months. Why didn't the police listen to them...why didn't the social services or even for those in school...we're not listened to. Some girls went and reported it to the police only to get charged for racist crimes! So I'm sorry I can't answer you on this as I really do not have one. This is what is think is the crux of the matter. Not who committed the crimes but why were they allowed to be comitted in the first place and why the authorities let those poor girls down in the first place. Did the authorties think they were worthless too ! Very similar words to what one of the offenders said in the Rochdale trial whist trying to put the blame on the girls family and community to validate what he had done was not wrong!" Please dont think i am condoning what they have done in any way shape or form. Scum are scum but there was also people that could have done something to stop it earlier and get these scum behind bars quicker | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets. They exploited vunerable girls. There are 1000s of vunerable people that get exploited everyday which we dont hear about a lot of it behind closed doors and i dare say there are some vunerable people on here too. In this case they were caucasian girls. One of the questions i think we need to be asking is how they were exploited so easily ? I think this deserves a reply even as I cannot answer it fully...but you are asking the question I have been asking for months. Why didn't the police listen to them...why didn't the social services or even for those in school...we're not listened to. Some girls went and reported it to the police only to get charged for racist crimes! So I'm sorry I can't answer you on this as I really do not have one. This is what is think is the crux of the matter. Not who committed the crimes but why were they allowed to be comitted in the first place and why the authorities let those poor girls down in the first place. Did the authorties think they were worthless too ! Very similar words to what one of the offenders said in the Rochdale trial whist trying to put the blame on the girls family and community to validate what he had done was not wrong! Please dont think i am condoning what they have done in any way shape or form. Scum are scum but there was also people that could have done something to stop it earlier and get these scum behind bars quicker " I am not accusing you of condoning it But that's the point how easy it is to turn the tables.
As for what you asked about the authorties not looking out for these girls is the whole point of posting this thread.
It was viewed as too delicate to tackle incase of upsetting the Asian community so hence it was brushed under the carpet for years and it is still ongoing.
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" As for what you asked about the authorties not looking out for these girls is the whole point of posting this thread. It was viewed as too delicate to tackle incase of upsetting the Asian community so hence it was brushed under the carpet for years and it is still ongoing. " But you're omitting, again, the issue of the authorities not regarding the young girls as important enough a voice for investigation of their claims. By focusing on solely the delicate race concern is minimising the actual systemic issues that went on, and focusing on a single issue causes questions as to the motive of doing so. These were heinous crimes. Yes. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men. Yes. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men from the same ethnic community. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men from the same ethnic community on poverty stricken, vulnerable young girls. And so on. Let's talk about the fact they were perpetrated by men. Let's talk about the fact they were poverty stricken victims. Why only talk about the ethnicity of the perpetrators? The lack of investigation could as legitimately be about the young girls from socially deprived backgrounds not being believed as they were deemed insignificant /unimportant/ untrustworthy/ or something else, as it is also for fear of upsetting a community because of the potential racial slur accusations. I'm not negating your point but I am negating the simplicity of it. | |||
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"PC is reaching new levels of stupidity Banning poppies so not to offend, Christmas offending non-christians, but other religions celebrations are ok. Union Jack offending non-british people Schools don't have blackboard, but they have whiteboards? Anti-racist racism? " Herein lies the problem, what people choose or want to believe- Poppies aren't banned, in fact they celebrate the contribution of service personnel who fought/fight against oppression a significant number of whom were non white, non Christians. Google Muslims/Sikhs/Hindus who served during WWII. Christmas is celebrated universally all over the UK, across ALL cultures, the owner of my corner shop blings his display up better than Blackpool illuminations and has for years quietly given food to the homeless. The odd tabloid headline you read is not symptomatic of Xmas being abolished or being offensive to the majority. Sadly the Union Jack acquired some negative connotations because it was seized as the branding device by the far right..did you complain about it at the time? Schools don't have blackboards because they all now have white boards, because blackboards are white, interactive tablets. Are you suggesting they should still be called blackboards because of convention? Now that really is political correctness gone mad! | |||
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" As for what you asked about the authorties not looking out for these girls is the whole point of posting this thread. It was viewed as too delicate to tackle incase of upsetting the Asian community so hence it was brushed under the carpet for years and it is still ongoing. But you're omitting, again, the issue of the authorities not regarding the young girls as important enough a voice for investigation of their claims. By focusing on solely the delicate race concern is minimising the actual systemic issues that went on, and focusing on a single issue causes questions as to the motive of doing so. These were heinous crimes. Yes. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men. Yes. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men from the same ethnic community. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men from the same ethnic community on poverty stricken, vulnerable young girls. And so on. Let's talk about the fact they were perpetrated by men. " . Not to throw a stick in the works but a white woman was convicted with them | |||
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"In no way condoning anything perpetrated, however if I knew my teenage daughters were going out and coming in stoned/d*unk/out all night..I'd also question my parenting.Either some of these girls were great at deception, or parents didn't simply care. You have brought parenting in to the throw....but in my town most of the girls were living in council care! inactive 'care' obviously Whichever way you want to put it....but they had no "active" parents in their lives ,so they were seen as easy targets. They exploited vunerable girls. There are 1000s of vunerable people that get exploited everyday which we dont hear about a lot of it behind closed doors and i dare say there are some vunerable people on here too. In this case they were caucasian girls. One of the questions i think we need to be asking is how they were exploited so easily ? I think this deserves a reply even as I cannot answer it fully...but you are asking the question I have been asking for months. Why didn't the police listen to them...why didn't the social services or even for those in school...we're not listened to. Some girls went and reported it to the police only to get charged for racist crimes! So I'm sorry I can't answer you on this as I really do not have one. This is what is think is the crux of the matter. Not who committed the crimes but why were they allowed to be comitted in the first place and why the authorities let those poor girls down in the first place. Did the authorties think they were worthless too ! Very similar words to what one of the offenders said in the Rochdale trial whist trying to put the blame on the girls family and community to validate what he had done was not wrong! Please dont think i am condoning what they have done in any way shape or form. Scum are scum but there was also people that could have done something to stop it earlier and get these scum behind bars quicker I am not accusing you of condoning it But that's the point how easy it is to turn the tables.
As for what you asked about the authorties not looking out for these girls is the whole point of posting this thread.
It was viewed as too delicate to tackle incase of upsetting the Asian community so hence it was brushed under the carpet for years and it is still ongoing.
And as I said I'm not having a pop at Asians. ...but by not mentioning them would be doing the same as the authorities have been doing."Obviously i cannot speak for everyone but the consensus from asian people i know is why would we be upset, because believe me Asian people do not want to see this kind of thing happen and do not want to be tarred with the same brush as these scum. | |||
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Can you educate me where religon comes into it - are all asian people one religion ?
I thought they were primarily made up if Muslims Hindus Buddists Christians Jains Parsees "The offenders were all Muslim. | |||
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"A good article to read from the daily mail by Former MP ANN CRYER on the accusations she has faced after daring to say these are culturally-routed crimes....please read it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-
4780326/Branded-racist-trying-save-girls-vile-abusers.html "The Daily mail is a producer of out right lies, and would print anything to incite a reaction. It's by no means alone in its bias, the majority of mainstream media is biased one way or another, however with recent "fake news" issues, a number of sources were labelled untrustworthy. Most of these were US gossip mongers who just wanted to put false allegations out there so that the gullible folks just took it in. The Daily Mail was on this list. Like I say, I only mention the Mail as that is the article you refer to, but as with everything else discussed previously, no national newspaper is completely unbiased, and there are probably good, well researched items in the DM and all other papers, but please read it with objectivity, and know that the great British press is flawed, as like everything else seems to be | |||
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"I'm sick of people whining that "PC has gone mad!" It has not gone mad, it's legitimate debate and you have the freedom of speech to speak. But when there's a counter-argument, don't bleat like a little baby that you're not allowed to have your opinion because PC has gone mad. This has been the refrain of those who think a Google software engineer is now the epitome of scientific knowledge about gender. " . Ex Google engineer... He got the sack | |||
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"I'm sick of people whining that "PC has gone mad!" It has not gone mad, it's legitimate debate and you have the freedom of speech to speak. But when there's a counter-argument, don't bleat like a little baby that you're not allowed to have your opinion because PC has gone mad. This has been the refrain of those who think a Google software engineer is now the epitome of scientific knowledge about gender. . Ex Google engineer... He got the sack "How come? | |||
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Can you educate me where religon comes into it - are all asian people one religion ?
I thought they were primarily made up if Muslims Hindus Buddists Christians Jains Parsees
The offenders were all Muslim. ". Some of them are rightly offended by the over use of the term Asian... 99% of the perps are from Bangladesh and Pakistan 99% of them are Muslim Why an earth we keep insisting on calling them Asian is beyond me | |||
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" As for what you asked about the authorties not looking out for these girls is the whole point of posting this thread. It was viewed as too delicate to tackle incase of upsetting the Asian community so hence it was brushed under the carpet for years and it is still ongoing. But you're omitting, again, the issue of the authorities not regarding the young girls as important enough a voice for investigation of their claims. By focusing on solely the delicate race concern is minimising the actual systemic issues that went on, and focusing on a single issue causes questions as to the motive of doing so. These were heinous crimes. Yes. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men. Yes. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men from the same ethnic community. They were heinous crimes perpetrated by men from the same ethnic community on poverty stricken, vulnerable young girls. And so on. Let's talk about the fact they were perpetrated by men. . Not to throw a stick in the works but a white woman was convicted with them "That doesn't throw a stick in my works -- Gatekeeper sums up my point below. It's the way of having the debate that I'm challenging | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. " Good question | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. Good question "I thought it was a statement?! | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. Good question "The question I posted in the politics forum was: Where do you get your news? Most of the replies were from people who only read news papers and websites that confirm their political views. Were do you get your news from? | |||
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The question I posted in the politics forum was:
Where do you get your news?
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"I'm sick of people whining that "PC has gone mad!" It has not gone mad, it's legitimate debate and you have the freedom of speech to speak. But when there's a counter-argument, don't bleat like a little baby that you're not allowed to have your opinion because PC has gone mad. This has been the refrain of those who think a Google software engineer is now the epitome of scientific knowledge about gender. Like climate change deniers, they moan that they're not allowed to put their argument, when they've put it and they're actually not happy that people have countered it with scientific argument. There is no United Nations Committee of Political Correctness, passing edicts on what you can and cannot say, just like there's no global committee of butch lesbians with an agenda to make feminism all about enslaving and castrating men. Political correctness is about being a decent human being. And that seems to make the "PC Gone Mad Brigade" very mad." I not "whining" about any of the above more about the cases in question where pc has gone very wrong. It has been documented that this all happened and pc did hold back this for many years...fact. So you are in titled to your opinions as am I. I know this is not going to make me popular....but on this one I couldn't give a shit. | |||
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"I'm sick of people whining that "PC has gone mad!" It has not gone mad, it's legitimate debate and you have the freedom of speech to speak. But when there's a counter-argument, don't bleat like a little baby that you're not allowed to have your opinion because PC has gone mad. This has been the refrain of those who think a Google software engineer is now the epitome of scientific knowledge about gender. Like climate change deniers, they moan that they're not allowed to put their argument, when they've put it and they're actually not happy that people have countered it with scientific argument. There is no United Nations Committee of Political Correctness, passing edicts on what you can and cannot say, just like there's no global committee of butch lesbians with an agenda to make feminism all about enslaving and castrating men. Political correctness is about being a decent human being. And that seems to make the "PC Gone Mad Brigade" very mad. I not "whining" about any of the above more about the cases in question where pc has gone very wrong. It has been documented that this all happened and pc did hold back this for many years...fact. So you are in titled to your opinions as am I. I know this is not going to make me popular....but on this one I couldn't give a shit." How can holding the popular opinion make you unpopular? | |||
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"I'm sick of people whining that "PC has gone mad!" It has not gone mad, it's legitimate debate and you have the freedom of speech to speak. But when there's a counter-argument, don't bleat like a little baby that you're not allowed to have your opinion because PC has gone mad. This has been the refrain of those who think a Google software engineer is now the epitome of scientific knowledge about gender. Like climate change deniers, they moan that they're not allowed to put their argument, when they've put it and they're actually not happy that people have countered it with scientific argument. There is no United Nations Committee of Political Correctness, passing edicts on what you can and cannot say, just like there's no global committee of butch lesbians with an agenda to make feminism all about enslaving and castrating men. Political correctness is about being a decent human being. And that seems to make the "PC Gone Mad Brigade" very mad. I not "whining" about any of the above more about the cases in question where pc has gone very wrong. It has been documented that this all happened and pc did hold back this for many years...fact. So you are in titled to your opinions as am I. I know this is not going to make me popular....but on this one I couldn't give a shit. How can holding the popular opinion make you unpopular? " Ah in the real world if only. | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. Good question
The question I posted in the politics forum was:
Where do you get your news?
Most of the replies were from people who only read news papers and websites that confirm their political views.
Were do you get your news from?
What's your opinion on the thread topic?"There are lots of pc people on here that don't use logic or reasoning when discussing subjects. | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. Good question
The question I posted in the politics forum was:
Where do you get your news?
Most of the replies were from people who only read news papers and websites that confirm their political views.
Were do you get your news from? "There is one statement I made about girls getting charged on racism. That I have to say I got from the "Wright stuff" yesterday when it was being debated....this was stated as happened Since I have looked to find this on the internet to which I could not find anything about it. So whilst I heard this but can't back this up I am willing to retract that from this thread | |||
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"Is this politics over spill? I thought those guys were banned from the real world? " . Anybody got tickets for the book of Mormon?. Can't wait for the sequel of the book of Islam.... Let's see how that pans out coz we all know, ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME aren't they? | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. Good question
The question I posted in the politics forum was:
Where do you get your news?
Most of the replies were from people who only read news papers and websites that confirm their political views.
Were do you get your news from?
There is one statement I made about girls getting charged on racism.
That I have to say I got from the "Wright stuff" yesterday when it was being debated....this was stated as happened
Since I have looked to find this on the internet to which I could not find anything about it.
So whilst I heard this but can't back this up I am willing to retract that from this thread "and that IS part of problem..I mailed someone in regard to the 'arrested fore racist crimes' , I could not find any evidence based fact on this...other than the reported information of a girl who trashed a shop and was arrested under vandalism(possibly racism), later she gave the evidence that put these scum behind bars...but using hearsay is what IS the killer...bending truths that suit an ulterior motive are VERY far a right agenda. | |||
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"Lots of people give there opinion but not many people ask questions to find out what "facts" the other person is using to form that opinion. If people used logic and asked questions more people would be able to straight there opions more articulatly and learn something from other peoples forum posts. The politics forum is filled with posts about politics that show a huge lack of understanding of economics for example. Good question
The question I posted in the politics forum was:
Where do you get your news?
Most of the replies were from people who only read news papers and websites that confirm their political views.
Were do you get your news from?
There is one statement I made about girls getting charged on racism.
That I have to say I got from the "Wright stuff" yesterday when it was being debated....this was stated as happened
Since I have looked to find this on the internet to which I could not find anything about it.
So whilst I heard this but can't back this up I am willing to retract that from this thread
and that IS part of problem..I mailed someone in regard to the 'arrested fore racist crimes' , I could not find any evidence based fact on this...other than the reported information of a girl who trashed a shop and was arrested under vandalism(possibly racism), later she gave the evidence that put these scum behind bars...but using hearsay is what IS the killer...bending truths that suit an ulterior motive are VERY far a right agenda.". I would recommend the lady whistle blower from Rotherhams book, I think it was called broken and betrayed?. Its worse than you imagined regardless of right media bullshit | |||
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"First off let me apologise for resurrecting this thread as I know it's a touchy subject. but after hearing today's news about Sarah champion having to resign her position in the cabinet by the labour party. Some on here will know I'm a supporter of said party...but I think this is one of the reasons why I originally posted this. I'll let you decide though if you read the BBC link. It would be good to hear your thoughts on it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40952224"are they really made up of pakistani men though? no idea coz the media is biased and stuff does get covered up. i don't think it helps to label erverts for these reasons. firstly, it makes anyone outside of that label less likely to be suspected. and secondly because of the stereotyping of a whole group of people. i'm not even sure profiling can help the police, mostly for the first reason above. | |||
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"First off let me apologise for resurrecting this thread as I know it's a touchy subject. but after hearing today's news about Sarah champion having to resign her position in the cabinet by the labour party. Some on here will know I'm a supporter of said party...but I think this is one of the reasons why I originally posted this. I'll let you decide though if you read the BBC link. It would be good to hear your thoughts on it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40952224
are they really made up of pakistani men though? no idea coz the media is biased and stuff does get covered up.
i don't think it helps to label erverts for these reasons.
firstly, it makes anyone outside of that label less likely to be suspected.
and secondly because of the stereotyping of a whole group of people.
i'm not even sure profiling can help the police, mostly for the first reason above."Got to nip out now...will give you a fuller reply later | |||
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