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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age." Sounds fair | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age." When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. | |||
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"I loved it. Great friends, so many happy memories of things we did. Could be only child syndrome though, my school time was polar opposite to my home which was quiet and lonely. Still friends with a lot from my year, we were a close bunch who generally got on really well "I'm an only child and loved being at home (alone) and hated being at school surrounded by dickheads, as i used to call them. I think it's more an introvert / extrovert thing than an only child thing. | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. " Yes, I chose my words poorly. What I meant to say is that as a school-age child I was free from any responsibility to others but limited in WHAT I could do. As an adult I'm free to do whatever I want but limited by my responsibilities. To have the personal freedom without responsibilities would be lovely. | |||
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"Iv heard this said a few times off friends my age.me personally hated it,except for a couple of things like art and P.E. wich i exelled at,but mostly i couldnt stand it Thoughts on this" I wish I was back at school, I loved it. Had a very easy and happy life at school. Home life was decent too. I'd go back in a heartbeat  | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. " a school child has an epic level of freedom. | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. Yes, I chose my words poorly. What I meant to say is that as a school-age child I was free from any responsibility to others but limited in WHAT I could do. As an adult I'm free to do whatever I want but limited by my responsibilities. To have the personal freedom without responsibilities would be lovely." Right that makes sense. Personally i hated childhood, not because i had a bad one but because i thrive on autonomy. Whilst i have responsibilities, i chose them willingly so i don't see them as limiting my freedom. I can still do whatever job i want, still spend disposable income how i please and locate myself where my wife consents. As a child you don't really have a choice to go to school, it eats up all your time and i think being around people the same age as you limits your intellectual development. | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. " If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. " Can we try and keep things a little light hearted? | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. Yes, I chose my words poorly. What I meant to say is that as a school-age child I was free from any responsibility to others but limited in WHAT I could do. As an adult I'm free to do whatever I want but limited by my responsibilities. To have the personal freedom without responsibilities would be lovely. Right that makes sense. Personally i hated childhood, not because i had a bad one but because i thrive on autonomy. Whilst i have responsibilities, i chose them willingly so i don't see them as limiting my freedom. I can still do whatever job i want, still spend disposable income how i please and locate myself where my wife consents. As a child you don't really have a choice to go to school, it eats up all your time and i think being around people the same age as you limits your intellectual development. " Between school and marriage I sold everything I owned and travelled the world. I went places and did things at the drop of a hat. Freedom without limits. Now, we can still travel but it would require planning. There are dogs that need looking after, children can't miss school, work projects that need delegating. I still have the freedom to do whatever I want but lack the freedom to simply just go and do it. That is the freedom I miss from childhood. | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. Can we try and keep things a little light hearted?" I'll say what i want within the site rules and you can do the same | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. Can we try and keep things a little light hearted? I'll say what i want within the site rules and you can do the same " Haha i guess thats a no then! | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. " you kinda wasted your childhood if that's your view of it. you had the chance to learn pretty much anything with a society wide safety net | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. you kinda wasted your childhood if that's your view of it. you had the chance to learn pretty much anything with a society wide safety net" I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. you kinda wasted your childhood if that's your view of it. you had the chance to learn pretty much anything with a society wide safety net I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. " Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether? | |||
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"I enjoyed the freedom from responsibility I had at that age. I enjoy the personal freedom I have now. If I could enjoy both at the same time I think I'd be happy regardless of age. When you talk about freedom and responsibility at school age are you talking in a relative sense or about the lack of, because in the absolute sense no school child has much of either. a school child has an epic level of freedom. If you mean they can shit the bed and their parents will forget about it next week, then yes. But for anything important that actually has a positive impact on their future then there's not really anything you do that matters until your GCSEs. Most education is just there to be a national baby sitting service and keep them out the job market. you kinda wasted your childhood if that's your view of it. you had the chance to learn pretty much anything with a society wide safety net I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether?" Men are, on average, more competitive than women. They are far more motivated to learn something when there is a clear reward and benefit from it. They are less inclined to learn something, just because they can. | |||
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"I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether? Men are, on average, more competitive than women. They are far more motivated to learn something when there is a clear reward and benefit from it. They are less inclined to learn something, just because they can." I was a bit stunned when I read this. Not only would I disagree on practical grounds (most of academia is male, and not because they are competitive), but I also don't think it follows. It may be more motivating for men to learn when there is competition, but it doesn't logically follow from that that learning for the sake of it (as opposed to competitively) is somehow feminine. You can't prove that opposite through negation. | |||
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"I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether? Men are, on average, more competitive than women. They are far more motivated to learn something when there is a clear reward and benefit from it. They are less inclined to learn something, just because they can. I was a bit stunned when I read this. Not only would I disagree on practical grounds (most of academia is male, and not because they are competitive), but I also don't think it follows. It may be more motivating for men to learn when there is competition, but it doesn't logically follow from that that learning for the sake of it (as opposed to competitively) is somehow feminine. You can't prove that opposite through negation. " Maybe there's a bit of talking cross purposes going on here. The OECD did a study proving girls do more studying than boys, in their spare time. In evolutionary psychology it's really undisputed that sitting around, indoors and learning in groups in an environment that favours females. I'm saying that boys a less interested in school because there's minimal linkage between school and the skills they can visualise helping them to later in life command more resources as an adult and get better quality females to breed with them. Watch any documentary on modern schools and you'll see variations of the same conversation happening over and over: Boy: "Miss, why do we need to know this?" Teacher: "because it's in the exam" Boy: "but how is it going to help me in adult life?" Teacher: "well you need to pass the exam to access the best jobs" It's a completely circular logic that could justify putting anything in the exam. The academia thing we can do by PM because it's a rabbit hole and you'll hate the answer. | |||
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"I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether? Men are, on average, more competitive than women. They are far more motivated to learn something when there is a clear reward and benefit from it. They are less inclined to learn something, just because they can. I was a bit stunned when I read this. Not only would I disagree on practical grounds (most of academia is male, and not because they are competitive), but I also don't think it follows. It may be more motivating for men to learn when there is competition, but it doesn't logically follow from that that learning for the sake of it (as opposed to competitively) is somehow feminine. You can't prove that opposite through negation. Maybe there's a bit of talking cross purposes going on here. The OECD did a study proving girls do more studying than boys, in their spare time. In evolutionary psychology it's really undisputed that sitting around, indoors and learning in groups in an environment that favours females. I'm saying that boys a less interested in school because there's minimal linkage between school and the skills they can visualise helping them to later in life command more resources as an adult and get better quality females to breed with them. Watch any documentary on modern schools and you'll see variations of the same conversation happening over and over: Boy: "Miss, why do we need to know this?" Teacher: "because it's in the exam" Boy: "but how is it going to help me in adult life?" Teacher: "well you need to pass the exam to access the best jobs" It's a completely circular logic that could justify putting anything in the exam. The academia thing we can do by PM because it's a rabbit hole and you'll hate the answer. " Saying that men don't do as well as women in a school environment is different from saying that learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait. Your previous arguments were a great example of denying the antecedent. This last post of yours is slightly different, and more carefully constructed. I still disagree with you that men are less likely to learn for the sake of it (the history of modern academia is at odds with you on that, even if pm is a better place for that discussion)and all you've shown me as evidence are ancillary claims about school environments and claims about competition (which don't inherently preclude other reasons for learning). But I do see your point more clearly now. | |||
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"I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether? Men are, on average, more competitive than women. They are far more motivated to learn something when there is a clear reward and benefit from it. They are less inclined to learn something, just because they can. I was a bit stunned when I read this. Not only would I disagree on practical grounds (most of academia is male, and not because they are competitive), but I also don't think it follows. It may be more motivating for men to learn when there is competition, but it doesn't logically follow from that that learning for the sake of it (as opposed to competitively) is somehow feminine. You can't prove that opposite through negation. Maybe there's a bit of talking cross purposes going on here. The OECD did a study proving girls do more studying than boys, in their spare time. In evolutionary psychology it's really undisputed that sitting around, indoors and learning in groups in an environment that favours females. I'm saying that boys a less interested in school because there's minimal linkage between school and the skills they can visualise helping them to later in life command more resources as an adult and get better quality females to breed with them. Watch any documentary on modern schools and you'll see variations of the same conversation happening over and over: Boy: "Miss, why do we need to know this?" Teacher: "because it's in the exam" Boy: "but how is it going to help me in adult life?" Teacher: "well you need to pass the exam to access the best jobs" It's a completely circular logic that could justify putting anything in the exam. The academia thing we can do by PM because it's a rabbit hole and you'll hate the answer. Saying that men don't do as well as women in a school environment is different from saying that learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait. Your previous arguments were a great example of denying the antecedent. This last post of yours is slightly different, and more carefully constructed. I still disagree with you that men are less likely to learn for the sake of it (the history of modern academia is at odds with you on that, even if pm is a better place for that discussion)and all you've shown me as evidence are ancillary claims about school environments and claims about competition (which don't inherently preclude other reasons for learning). But I do see your point more clearly now. " If we step back from all of it for a second, men and woman have evolved very differently and the average male and female brain are very different to each other. There are very few activities in life where men and women would be equally predisoposed towards them. I couldn't find the exact reference to the study i heard about women being more content with learning for the sake of it, but I'd be interested in any logical reason why you think men would be more inclined than women to learn for the sake of it? I really can't see how a man would ever have gotten an evolutionary advantage from sitting around learning pointless skills whilst other males were out gaining resources that would ultimately given them better access to females. | |||
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"Well this thread has not gone the way i planned So do you wish you were back in school.....simple question" No but I loved it | |||
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"I'm not interested in learning for the sake of it, that's a very feminine trait. On the contrary, i think a lot of people waste adulthood. Learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait? Do real men just punch the knowledge from the aether? Men are, on average, more competitive than women. They are far more motivated to learn something when there is a clear reward and benefit from it. They are less inclined to learn something, just because they can. I was a bit stunned when I read this. Not only would I disagree on practical grounds (most of academia is male, and not because they are competitive), but I also don't think it follows. It may be more motivating for men to learn when there is competition, but it doesn't logically follow from that that learning for the sake of it (as opposed to competitively) is somehow feminine. You can't prove that opposite through negation. Maybe there's a bit of talking cross purposes going on here. The OECD did a study proving girls do more studying than boys, in their spare time. In evolutionary psychology it's really undisputed that sitting around, indoors and learning in groups in an environment that favours females. I'm saying that boys a less interested in school because there's minimal linkage between school and the skills they can visualise helping them to later in life command more resources as an adult and get better quality females to breed with them. Watch any documentary on modern schools and you'll see variations of the same conversation happening over and over: Boy: "Miss, why do we need to know this?" Teacher: "because it's in the exam" Boy: "but how is it going to help me in adult life?" Teacher: "well you need to pass the exam to access the best jobs" It's a completely circular logic that could justify putting anything in the exam. The academia thing we can do by PM because it's a rabbit hole and you'll hate the answer. Saying that men don't do as well as women in a school environment is different from saying that learning for the sake of learning is a feminine trait. Your previous arguments were a great example of denying the antecedent. This last post of yours is slightly different, and more carefully constructed. I still disagree with you that men are less likely to learn for the sake of it (the history of modern academia is at odds with you on that, even if pm is a better place for that discussion)and all you've shown me as evidence are ancillary claims about school environments and claims about competition (which don't inherently preclude other reasons for learning). But I do see your point more clearly now. If we step back from all of it for a second, men and woman have evolved very differently and the average male and female brain are very different to each other. There are very few activities in life where men and women would be equally predisoposed towards them. I couldn't find the exact reference to the study i heard about women being more content with learning for the sake of it, but I'd be interested in any logical reason why you think men would be more inclined than women to learn for the sake of it? I really can't see how a man would ever have gotten an evolutionary advantage from sitting around learning pointless skills whilst other males were out gaining resources that would ultimately given them better access to females." You misunderstand me, sir 
I'm not arguing that men are more inclined than women to learn for the sake of it. I'm simply saying that I haven't seen any proof that women hold that honor and your logic above didn't convince me. I'd be interested in seeing a study that shows this, though. I just haven't seen one yet, and I don't think such a claim can be inferred from the factors already cited. I remain agnostic on the subject. | |||
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"Well this thread has not gone the way i planned So do you wish you were back in school.....simple question" I had a shit childhood (a few of you know why) and an even worse time at school so no I don't wish I was back there. A few years ago while traveling back down here from the Toon I took a detour and showed P where I grew up and went to school...The first time I'd visited the area since I left at 17. Looking back now it's not with rose tinted spectacles but more like a welders screen...Dark times indeed  | |||
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