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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Recently Marie Claire did a video of a remarkably hot cross fit trainer type lady demonstrating some simple self defence teqniques.

She demonstrates them against a hunky crossfire type fella.

Then a chap on martial arts planet, got one his female students to try these 'teqniques' she couldn't make any of them work, and he was even giving her a chance to use them, so the end result is false confidence, at best.

At worse your going to watch this crap and try it, dangerously escalating an attack when screaming and pulling away in a frenzy to try and run away would be a better option.

Opinions on self defence please, the vast majority of it amuses me with its pompous claims. A course in white or pink collar boxing or going to your local Thai boxing club for 6 months would do you better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree.... watching some of these self defence techniques cause concern for me. It's almost as of the woman thinks that she's got this and can front up to it....

Then get knocked out and r@ped..... run for the hills screaming your head off I think is a much better way..... or clawing at his eyes with your nails... take skin with You!!!

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Any of the Ju Jutsu disciplines would work well, or Krav Maga is very good too.

Most of what you see in the cage fighting are forms of Ju Jutsu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Krav Maga is the only thing I would recommend for anyone that has no martial arts background. It probably helps if you have no other fighting technique cos there are no rules to it.

I only got to p5 grade which is still a practicing grade but it still covers all your basics, cho-kes, grapples, being jumped, getting weapon out of someone's hand, knife,pistol,rifle, car jacking if someone came through your window and put a gun to your head. It's mental krav is. Done simulation riot techniques as well, would walk through the dark field next to the centre and at some point the instructor would jump out on you and attack you.

Still wouldn't 100% prepare you for a real life situation though and as a female that's 5'3 and quite slightly built I'm not stupid enough to think a guy wouldn't overpower me if he really wanted to.

I have put 6 foot plus guys on the floor but would have had assistance within a minutes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Any of the Ju Jutsu disciplines would work well, or Krav Maga is very good too.

Most of what you see in the cage fighting are forms of Ju Jutsu. "

Japanese jiu jitsu and a lot of Krav Maga clubs are very very very compliant in their training until quite high Kyu grades are attained. Over a couple of years.

Cage fighting and MMA tend to be using Brazilian jiu jitsu or its poorer cousin Luta Livre both of which practice actuall sparing (ok off the knees) right from class one.

Judo, despite being an Olympic sport teaches hands on 'randori' almost straight away.

The problem with BJJ is they like to get the fight on the floor ASAP due to its nature. They want to obtain a submission. I do BJJ and I love the friendly classes, the enthusiasm for the art and the fitness aspect.

So I'm not convinced.

Krav ? Meh there are undoubtably some brilliant instructors out there. But I've not seen one that a half decent systema man couldn't put class.

Systema is a Russian martial art that along with sambo is hard to find but both are very effective.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Any of the Ju Jutsu disciplines would work well, or Krav Maga is very good too.

Most of what you see in the cage fighting are forms of Ju Jutsu. "

In cage fighting, are you allowed to sneak up on a d*unk woman, snap her head back by pulling her hair so hard alot will come out in your hand, before punching her in the throat?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Krav Maga is the only thing I would recommend for anyone that has no martial arts background. It probably helps if you have no other fighting technique cos there are no rules to it.

I only got to p5 grade which is still a practicing grade but it still covers all your basics, cho-kes, grapples, being jumped, getting weapon out of someone's hand, knife,pistol,rifle, car jacking if someone came through your window and put a gun to your head. It's mental krav is. Done simulation riot techniques as well, would walk through the dark field next to the centre and at some point the instructor would jump out on you and attack you.

Still wouldn't 100% prepare you for a real life situation though and as a female that's 5'3 and quite slightly built I'm not stupid enough to think a guy wouldn't overpower me if he really wanted to.

I have put 6 foot plus guys on the floor but would have had assistance within a minutes.

"

I learned many self defence techniques when learning karate, all of these techniques came with a caveat. For these things to work, you must act immediately, decisively... then run away screaming.

Cal

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Basically you need to watch this video:

https://youtu.be/i54grFI-JhA

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Martial arts would help if you were to walk into a fight and be prepared but you'd need to have some sort of C&R self defence training to handle real life situations where shit kicks off out of nowhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have 30 years experience in various martial arts, with and without weapons, and most have little bearing in how actual real world fights play out.

Regular ongoing training is important, not necessarily to fill your head with technique but to get you used to being in physical contact with another human being while you're breathless, heart pounding and full of adrenaline (not in a good way!). It's about not panicking for long enough to get away and being comfortable with fighting dirty if you have to

Krav is good and I would also recommend Wing Chun as a good starting point for a close and dirty martial art

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I watched some 16-8 year old women having a 1 hour class last week and was scared of what could be the result

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

My biggest argument against Krav is the weapons defences.

Put a white tshirt on, give your mate a board marker, tell him to do the Tasmanian devil as if he's zorro. See how white your tshirt and arms are after then in your head replace the marker with a Stanley knife and the pen marks with cuts that will need stitches.

Then for shits and giggles count how many hundred you would of needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Krav Maga is the only thing I would recommend for anyone that has no martial arts background. It probably helps if you have no other fighting technique cos there are no rules to it.

I only got to p5 grade which is still a practicing grade but it still covers all your basics, cho-kes, grapples, being jumped, getting weapon out of someone's hand, knife,pistol,rifle, car jacking if someone came through your window and put a gun to your head. It's mental krav is. Done simulation riot techniques as well, would walk through the dark field next to the centre and at some point the instructor would jump out on you and attack you.

Still wouldn't 100% prepare you for a real life situation though and as a female that's 5'3 and quite slightly built I'm not stupid enough to think a guy wouldn't overpower me if he really wanted to.

I have put 6 foot plus guys on the floor but would have had assistance within a minutes.

I learned many self defence techniques when learning karate, all of these techniques came with a caveat. For these things to work, you must act immediately, decisively... then run away screaming.

Cal "

But karate is defensive or what is it, no first attack, kickboxing/boxing is offensive, something like krav is about getting out of dodge. Disarming your opponent in the quickest possible time so you can get away.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have 30 years experience in various martial arts, with and without weapons, and most have little bearing in how actual real world fights play out.

Regular ongoing training is important, not necessarily to fill your head with technique but to get you used to being in physical contact with another human being while you're breathless, heart pounding and full of adrenaline (not in a good way!). It's about not panicking for long enough to get away and being comfortable with fighting dirty if you have to

Krav is good and I would also recommend Wing Chun as a good starting point for a close and dirty martial art"

I'd sub the chun for JKD not much sparring in most chun classes. It's all in the sparring, unpredictable and resistive practice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Krav Maga is the only thing I would recommend for anyone that has no martial arts background. It probably helps if you have no other fighting technique cos there are no rules to it.

I only got to p5 grade which is still a practicing grade but it still covers all your basics, cho-kes, grapples, being jumped, getting weapon out of someone's hand, knife,pistol,rifle, car jacking if someone came through your window and put a gun to your head. It's mental krav is. Done simulation riot techniques as well, would walk through the dark field next to the centre and at some point the instructor would jump out on you and attack you.

Still wouldn't 100% prepare you for a real life situation though and as a female that's 5'3 and quite slightly built I'm not stupid enough to think a guy wouldn't overpower me if he really wanted to.

I have put 6 foot plus guys on the floor but would have had assistance within a minutes.

I learned many self defence techniques when learning karate, all of these techniques came with a caveat. For these things to work, you must act immediately, decisively... then run away screaming.

Cal

But karate is defensive or what is it, no first attack, kickboxing/boxing is offensive, something like krav is about getting out of dodge. Disarming your opponent in the quickest possible time so you can get away. "

No first attack? Kyushuin is brutal so can shotokan and shotokai, that reverse punch is fast and hard as fuck.

A good knife had block can stun an arm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Any of the Ju Jutsu disciplines would work well, or Krav Maga is very good too.

Most of what you see in the cage fighting are forms of Ju Jutsu.

Japanese jiu jitsu and a lot of Krav Maga clubs are very very very compliant in their training until quite high Kyu grades are attained. Over a couple of years.

Cage fighting and MMA tend to be using Brazilian jiu jitsu or its poorer cousin Luta Livre both of which practice actuall sparing (ok off the knees) right from class one.

Judo, despite being an Olympic sport teaches hands on 'randori' almost straight away.

The problem with BJJ is they like to get the fight on the floor ASAP due to its nature. They want to obtain a submission. I do BJJ and I love the friendly classes, the enthusiasm for the art and the fitness aspect.

So I'm not convinced.

Krav ? Meh there are undoubtably some brilliant instructors out there. But I've not seen one that a half decent systema man couldn't put class.

Systema is a Russian martial art that along with sambo is hard to find but both are very effective.

"

I did Atemi goshun jutsu, and I can assure you that it was full-on from day one, and "sparing" was also full contact, it was a very "combative" martial art, we used to joke that we had a reserved seat in the local A&E for the various injuries we inflicted on each other.

Our Sensei was also clued-up enough to know that kata and rigid adherence to moves and counter moves wasn't the way to survive in a street fight, so he also taught us techniques (usually involving a lot of "run away" lol) for self-defence in the real world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My biggest argument against Krav is the weapons defences.

Put a white tshirt on, give your mate a board marker, tell him to do the Tasmanian devil as if he's zorro. See how white your tshirt and arms are after then in your head replace the marker with a Stanley knife and the pen marks with cuts that will need stitches.

Then for shits and giggles count how many hundred you would of needed.

"

Ha but no ones gonna do that with a knife or a blade are they, they aren't going to get a knife and spin round really fast in a circle, if they did youd just roundhouse them and they'd fall over anyway. They'd put it to your throat or first of all even show it to you to scare you. Krav does teach you those techniques to disarm in those circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I learn control and restraint and break away techniques at work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i went to a convent and still go with what the cop that came taught us..and he said dont bother with fancy moves....stamp on their instep, grab and twist bollocks then run like hell screaming your head off! ive only ever had to use it once , and stamping in their instep worked a treat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a full time martial arts and self defence coach. Martial arts qualifies me to tech Japanese jujitsu. I am qualified on several levels as a self defence coach. Neither are the same. Anyone offering martial arts as self defence without recourse the current UK and EU legislation, regarding g use of force and reasonable use of force, could be in breach of their 'duty of care' to their students. I see and hear bullshit advise from martial arts coaches that is both dangerous and in some cases illegal .....

Self defence is dirty, grubby, aggressive, in your face, snarling intimidating. Their are the fight or flight responses to take into account along with the associated benefits and hindrances. Most martial arts coaches do not understand or attempt to understand this area.

Krav Maga comes in many flavours some of it no better than that cross for crap spoke of it very good, but it is treated as a martial art and requires a lot of training.

Self defence as taught by me and other reality specialists teaches very simple basic, gross motor movement self defence. You will also get legal advice and advice on how to deal with edged weapons. I've been at this 20 years and have trained with world class authorities.

I tell the truth and don't package anything I have as bullshit, if I don't have the answer I know someone who will. And I tell you now, some people are unteachable in terms of being able to excecute simple force techniques with aggression and suggested violence. I manage expectations and have refunded people who are unwilling to step out of their comfort zone, cos their is no comfort zone when it comes to self defence.

You can tell I am passionate about this stuff. If anyone wants any advise, even legal I will be able to point them in the right direction. If you want some training, we can arrange it or point you to somewhere closer to you.

I shall now vacate my soapbox ... stay safe and, please, please avoid anything to do with Crossfit, they are muppets'

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

But karate is defensive or what is it, no first attack, kickboxing/boxing is offensive, something like krav is about getting out of dodge. Disarming your opponent in the quickest possible time so you can get away. "

These weren't karate techniques, these were separate "self defence" techniques... and there was always an insistence that these techniques were no substitute to running away, and would get you into a position where escape was possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry so passionate I didn't feckin proof read it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My biggest argument against Krav is the weapons defences.

Put a white tshirt on, give your mate a board marker, tell him to do the Tasmanian devil as if he's zorro. See how white your tshirt and arms are after then in your head replace the marker with a Stanley knife and the pen marks with cuts that will need stitches.

Then for shits and giggles count how many hundred you would of needed.

Ha but no ones gonna do that with a knife or a blade are they, they aren't going to get a knife and spin round really fast in a circle, if they did youd just roundhouse them and they'd fall over anyway. They'd put it to your throat or first of all even show it to you to scare you. Krav does teach you those techniques to disarm in those circumstances. "

No they will swing it and slash in a frenzy or stab in a frenzy, repeatedly as hard and fast as they can.

If you think some ones going to swing it once or punch it at you once, and your teachers told you that, you just proved my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a full time martial arts and self defence coach. Martial arts qualifies me to tech Japanese jujitsu. I am qualified on several levels as a self defence coach. Neither are the same. Anyone offering martial arts as self defence without recourse the current UK and EU legislation, regarding g use of force and reasonable use of force, could be in breach of their 'duty of care' to their students. I see and hear bullshit advise from martial arts coaches that is both dangerous and in some cases illegal .....

Self defence is dirty, grubby, aggressive, in your face, snarling intimidating. Their are the fight or flight responses to take into account along with the associated benefits and hindrances. Most martial arts coaches do not understand or attempt to understand this area.

Krav Maga comes in many flavours some of it no better than that cross for crap spoke of it very good, but it is treated as a martial art and requires a lot of training.

Self defence as taught by me and other reality specialists teaches very simple basic, gross motor movement self defence. You will also get legal advice and advice on how to deal with edged weapons. I've been at this 20 years and have trained with world class authorities.

I tell the truth and don't package anything I have as bullshit, if I don't have the answer I know someone who will. And I tell you now, some people are unteachable in terms of being able to excecute simple force techniques with aggression and suggested violence. I manage expectations and have refunded people who are unwilling to step out of their comfort zone, cos their is no comfort zone when it comes to self defence.

You can tell I am passionate about this stuff. If anyone wants any advise, even legal I will be able to point them in the right direction. If you want some training, we can arrange it or point you to somewhere closer to you.

I shall now vacate my soapbox ... stay safe and, please, please avoid anything to do with Crossfit, they are muppets'"

Well said fella.

Would still have you in a fight in 2.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

I'm a black belt, & used to teach women's self defense classes.

Forget all the fancy moves, not much chance a woman, unless incredibly well trained over years so it's absolute 2nd nature , being surprise attack by in all likely hood someone a lot stronger than her, is going to remember fancy footwork & twists.

Use simple effective everyday things.

I have my house & car keys on a chain, keys in hand loop round my wrist. If I was grabbed first thing swing the keys at their face.

I'd never walk home in my heels, wear butterfly twists, shoes in hand, amazing hiw much damage a thrown stiletto can do.

I could write a whole list on the subject, if any ladies would like any advice please feel free to message me xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact "

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

A female competent in jujistu can beat a untrained male who wouldn't know submission holds.

A female competent in jujitsu will normally lose to a male competent in jujitsu.

I tend to agree with the guy doing it for 30 years who said real world situations are far too unpredictable. You never know who will turn up or what weapon they might pull. Solution: fight dirty and make your escape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth! "

At the end of the day it don't matter who you are, how big you are,theres always someone bigger and badder out there. I liked you're comment about being a 5.3 women and taking down a 6+ guy

Shows the amount that say I'm not a real man because I'm 5.7 really know fuck all

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth!

At the end of the day it don't matter who you are, how big you are,theres always someone bigger and badder out there. I liked you're comment about being a 5.3 women and taking down a 6+ guy

Shows the amount that say I'm not a real man because I'm 5.7 really know fuck all "

But I also said I couldn't do it completely on my own. I worked in a cat b all male prison and we all had regular control and restraint training so I could bring someone down, how long I could keep them down is another story, I'd have another officer with me within minutes, seconds even so I wouldn't fancy my chances against a guy on my own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Krav Maga is the only thing I would recommend for anyone that has no martial arts background. It probably helps if you have no other fighting technique cos there are no rules to it.

I only got to p5 grade which is still a practicing grade but it still covers all your basics, cho-kes, grapples, being jumped, getting weapon out of someone's hand, knife,pistol,rifle, car jacking if someone came through your window and put a gun to your head. It's mental krav is. Done simulation riot techniques as well, would walk through the dark field next to the centre and at some point the instructor would jump out on you and attack you.

Still wouldn't 100% prepare you for a real life situation though and as a female that's 5'3 and quite slightly built I'm not stupid enough to think a guy wouldn't overpower me if he really wanted to.

I have put 6 foot plus guys on the floor but would have had assistance within a minutes.

"

You are my kind of a woman!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth!

At the end of the day it don't matter who you are, how big you are,theres always someone bigger and badder out there. I liked you're comment about being a 5.3 women and taking down a 6+ guy

Shows the amount that say I'm not a real man because I'm 5.7 really know fuck all

But I also said I couldn't do it completely on my own. I worked in a cat b all male prison and we all had regular control and restraint training so I could bring someone down, how long I could keep them down is another story, I'd have another officer with me within minutes, seconds even so I wouldn't fancy my chances against a guy on my own. "

I would

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Proper self defence.

Don't park your car in unlit places

Be aware of your surroundings

If you think someone's dodgy cross the road to avoid them

If some junkie pulls a syringe let him have your wallet and phone

Same with guns and knives if they are that desperate hand your stuff over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth!

At the end of the day it don't matter who you are, how big you are,theres always someone bigger and badder out there. I liked you're comment about being a 5.3 women and taking down a 6+ guy

Shows the amount that say I'm not a real man because I'm 5.7 really know fuck all

But I also said I couldn't do it completely on my own. I worked in a cat b all male prison and we all had regular control and restraint training so I could bring someone down, how long I could keep them down is another story, I'd have another officer with me within minutes, seconds even so I wouldn't fancy my chances against a guy on my own.

I would "

Yeah I suppose I could dazzle them with my boobs long enough to kick them in the willy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth!

At the end of the day it don't matter who you are, how big you are,theres always someone bigger and badder out there. I liked you're comment about being a 5.3 women and taking down a 6+ guy

Shows the amount that say I'm not a real man because I'm 5.7 really know fuck all

But I also said I couldn't do it completely on my own. I worked in a cat b all male prison and we all had regular control and restraint training so I could bring someone down, how long I could keep them down is another story, I'd have another officer with me within minutes, seconds even so I wouldn't fancy my chances against a guy on my own.

I would

Yeah I suppose I could dazzle them with my boobs long enough to kick them in the willy!"

Exactly. Never underestimate oneself

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Just book marking thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All martial arts that are taught in dojos are mere sports. Not meant to be used on the street.

Good senseis teach that one should only use force for defence when absolutely necessary as a last resort. The training isn't meant to make you a fighter but to become athletic, coordinated, focused , self restrained and disciplined.

Only thugs go around with their trouser round half their bums showing off karate techniques.

Martial art is unlikely to safe you from a street attack. It may happen, but it's unlikely. If you use self defence, you may get into more trouble with the law afterwards. The law may allow you to use self defence, but in practice things are different.

Stick to training hard in the dojo and don't think how you'll react if you were attacked on the street. How? Give them the valuables and make a report to the police

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a full time martial arts and self defence coach. Martial arts qualifies me to tech Japanese jujitsu. I am qualified on several levels as a self defence coach. Neither are the same. Anyone offering martial arts as self defence without recourse the current UK and EU legislation, regarding g use of force and reasonable use of force, could be in breach of their 'duty of care' to their students. I see and hear bullshit advise from martial arts coaches that is both dangerous and in some cases illegal .....

Self defence is dirty, grubby, aggressive, in your face, snarling intimidating. Their are the fight or flight responses to take into account along with the associated benefits and hindrances. Most martial arts coaches do not understand or attempt to understand this area.

Krav Maga comes in many flavours some of it no better than that cross for crap spoke of it very good, but it is treated as a martial art and requires a lot of training.

Self defence as taught by me and other reality specialists teaches very simple basic, gross motor movement self defence. You will also get legal advice and advice on how to deal with edged weapons. I've been at this 20 years and have trained with world class authorities.

I tell the truth and don't package anything I have as bullshit, if I don't have the answer I know someone who will. And I tell you now, some people are unteachable in terms of being able to excecute simple force techniques with aggression and suggested violence. I manage expectations and have refunded people who are unwilling to step out of their comfort zone, cos their is no comfort zone when it comes to self defence.

You can tell I am passionate about this stuff. If anyone wants any advise, even legal I will be able to point them in the right direction. If you want some training, we can arrange it or point you to somewhere closer to you.

I shall now vacate my soapbox ... stay safe and, please, please avoid anything to do with Crossfit, they are muppets'

Well said fella.

Would still have you in a fight in 2. "

You probably will mate ... I'm currently pissed!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All martial arts that are taught in dojos are mere sports. Not meant to be used on the street.

Good senseis teach that one should only use force for defence when absolutely necessary as a last resort. The training isn't meant to make you a fighter but to become athletic, coordinated, focused , self restrained and disciplined.

Only thugs go around with their trouser round half their bums showing off karate techniques.

Martial art is unlikely to safe you from a street attack. It may happen, but it's unlikely. If you use self defence, you may get into more trouble with the law afterwards. The law may allow you to use self defence, but in practice things are different.

Stick to training hard in the dojo and don't think how you'll react if you were attacked on the street. How? Give them the valuables and make a report to the police "

This .... but I am gonna say having worked doors, courts, retail security (including skulking around in plain cloths)

My background in jiu jitsu (Japanese style kempo and Brazilian) judo and full contact karate and kick boxing.

Has helped way more than the SIA break away and control and restraint training did. Particularly as the goose neck is no longer taught.

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over a year ago


"i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it."

Oh dear, please don't take this the wrong way but the I know how to kill in 15 secs is bullshit. You can do it in 3, 6, 10, 2 minutes 24 hours... and there's no such thing as 'the basic self defence course' there are literally hundreds. But I am pleased that you have done something and feel that you are empowered. That, after all is the most important asset an individual can have for self protection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it."

Unless you've done it at least a few times, you know nothing.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

This is a thread of Willy waving. Martial arts are just keep fit classes. They only work if you're attacking first. If there's no rules they dont work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a full time martial arts and self defence coach. Martial arts qualifies me to tech Japanese jujitsu. I am qualified on several levels as a self defence coach. Neither are the same. Anyone offering martial arts as self defence without recourse the current UK and EU legislation, regarding g use of force and reasonable use of force, could be in breach of their 'duty of care' to their students. I see and hear bullshit advise from martial arts coaches that is both dangerous and in some cases illegal .....

Self defence is dirty, grubby, aggressive, in your face, snarling intimidating. Their are the fight or flight responses to take into account along with the associated benefits and hindrances. Most martial arts coaches do not understand or attempt to understand this area.

Krav Maga comes in many flavours some of it no better than that cross for crap spoke of it very good, but it is treated as a martial art and requires a lot of training.

Self defence as taught by me and other reality specialists teaches very simple basic, gross motor movement self defence. You will also get legal advice and advice on how to deal with edged weapons. I've been at this 20 years and have trained with world class authorities.

I tell the truth and don't package anything I have as bullshit, if I don't have the answer I know someone who will. And I tell you now, some people are unteachable in terms of being able to excecute simple force techniques with aggression and suggested violence. I manage expectations and have refunded people who are unwilling to step out of their comfort zone, cos their is no comfort zone when it comes to self defence.

You can tell I am passionate about this stuff. If anyone wants any advise, even legal I will be able to point them in the right direction. If you want some training, we can arrange it or point you to somewhere closer to you.

I shall now vacate my soapbox ... stay safe and, please, please avoid anything to do with Crossfit, they are muppets'"

Hats off to you for your training and passion, but was it really necessary to shit on the crossfitters?

They don't claim to be fighters. They are fit and strong and can do things on those simple bars that most people can only wonder from their comfy armchairs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it.

Oh dear, please don't take this the wrong way but the I know how to kill in 15 secs is bullshit. You can do it in 3, 6, 10, 2 minutes 24 hours... and there's no such thing as 'the basic self defence course' there are literally hundreds. But I am pleased that you have done something and feel that you are empowered. That, after all is the most important asset an individual can have for self protection."

You wouldn't say that to Pai Mei

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it.

Oh dear, please don't take this the wrong way but the I know how to kill in 15 secs is bullshit. You can do it in 3, 6, 10, 2 minutes 24 hours... and there's no such thing as 'the basic self defence course' there are literally hundreds. But I am pleased that you have done something and feel that you are empowered. That, after all is the most important asset an individual can have for self protection."

False confidence.

Oh dear 15 second kill? Really? At what point is killing some one self defence? It's like the ninja dojo round here it's at a 'secret location' looking at some videos they posted it's so no one comes to laugh at em.

I do a lovely kata does that count as deadly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it.

Unless you've done it at least a few times, you know nothing. "

So in TGBSDC (The General Basic Self Defence Course) - of course, we all know what you are talking about - the only ever course with capital "The" - they teach you how to kill someone and they die in 15s exact? Just do it and then stand back and watch you timer. If it takes longer than 15s, you failed the test.

Oh my, what would you become if you were to do TFACEC (The Full And Complete Ever Course) for 6 long months? I guess Hulk, Thor and Man of Steal would look like teenage girls in comparison to you

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is a thread of Willy waving. Martial arts are just keep fit classes. They only work if you're attacking first. If there's no rules they dont work. "

I can punch, kick, take down, arm bar, chok.e, block, slip, cover, bunker, breakfall, throw, leg sweep and a fuck load of other things much smoother and faster than some one who hasn't practice for years and years.

I also won't do it unless seriously provoked, but all this 'there's no rules on the street' is bollox half the morons who want to run around acting like cave men imitate what they were watching in UFC down the pub.

The other half just swing wildly and hope for the best.

A pre emptive strike is legal if you are sure you are about to be attacked. BTW

I know I'm fully capable of defending myself against a committed and determined attacker because if done it.

I also know it was a damned sight easier than fighting or rolling with one of my classmates. I also fully understand I'm not made of glass and can take a heap of punishment.

But the ghey is strong and I'd rather drink prosecco and eat unicorn cake than explain to the police why I did things to some one silly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The most important element of dealing with self defence situations is coping with your bodies natural fight or flight response. The next is being a really good sprinter.

A guy called Geoff Thompson from the West Midlands has some great material on self defence and the psychological aspects of it.

It sickens me that McDojos sell watered down bollocks to people and genuinely have them believing that they can protect themselves in situations where someone wants to do them legitimate harm

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"This is a thread of Willy waving. Martial arts are just keep fit classes. They only work if you're attacking first. If there's no rules they dont work.

I can punch, kick, take down, arm bar, chok.e, block, slip, cover, bunker, breakfall, throw, leg sweep and a fuck load of other things much smoother and faster than some one who hasn't practice for years and years.

I also won't do it unless seriously provoked, but all this 'there's no rules on the street' is bollox half the morons who want to run around acting like cave men imitate what they were watching in UFC down the pub.

The other half just swing wildly and hope for the best.

A pre emptive strike is legal if you are sure you are about to be attacked. BTW

I know I'm fully capable of defending myself against a committed and determined attacker because if done it.

I also know it was a damned sight easier than fighting or rolling with one of my classmates. I also fully understand I'm not made of glass and can take a heap of punishment.

But the ghey is strong and I'd rather drink prosecco and eat unicorn cake than explain to the police why I did things to some one silly. "

You have no defence in the real world. The only defence is not being in that situation. You're as vulnerable as anyone else, if not more so because you wouldn't run away as soon.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"i've done the general basic self defence course. as well as how to physically defend yourself they had other advice too.

we got told not to share the information as it made it easier for us to be abused. but i do know how to kill someone and they would die in 15 seconds of me doing it.

Unless you've done it at least a few times, you know nothing.

So in TGBSDC (The General Basic Self Defence Course) - of course, we all know what you are talking about - the only ever course with capital "The" - they teach you how to kill someone and they die in 15s exact? Just do it and then stand back and watch you timer. If it takes longer than 15s, you failed the test.

Oh my, what would you become if you were to do TFACEC (The Full And Complete Ever Course) for 6 long months? I guess Hulk, Thor and Man of Steal would look like teenage girls in comparison to you

"

it wasn't to kill someone, it was so that you know not to die from it yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The most important element of dealing with self defence situations is coping with your bodies natural fight or flight response. The next is being a really good sprinter.

A guy called Geoff Thompson from the West Midlands has some great material on self defence and the psychological aspects of it.

It sickens me that McDojos sell watered down bollocks to people and genuinely have them believing that they can protect themselves in situations where someone wants to do them legitimate harm "

Geoff Thompson had done wonderful work in explaining and understanding fear and adrenaline and its effects.

The most important part of self defence is awareness and avoidance.

The second is not presenting a tempting target.

The thirds is running like linford if confronted with a threat, no hesitation pause questions just give it legs.

Fourth his making an attacker give up and leave you alone.

Five... that's the messy bit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is a thread of Willy waving. Martial arts are just keep fit classes. They only work if you're attacking first. If there's no rules they dont work.

I can punch, kick, take down, arm bar, chok.e, block, slip, cover, bunker, breakfall, throw, leg sweep and a fuck load of other things much smoother and faster than some one who hasn't practice for years and years.

I also won't do it unless seriously provoked, but all this 'there's no rules on the street' is bollox half the morons who want to run around acting like cave men imitate what they were watching in UFC down the pub.

The other half just swing wildly and hope for the best.

A pre emptive strike is legal if you are sure you are about to be attacked. BTW

I know I'm fully capable of defending myself against a committed and determined attacker because if done it.

I also know it was a damned sight easier than fighting or rolling with one of my classmates. I also fully understand I'm not made of glass and can take a heap of punishment.

But the ghey is strong and I'd rather drink prosecco and eat unicorn cake than explain to the police why I did things to some one silly.

You have no defence in the real world. The only defence is not being in that situation. You're as vulnerable as anyone else, if not more so because you wouldn't run away as soon. "

Third paragraph you quoted. Kinda says your knee jerk posting and quoting without absorbing chap.

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I? So it does come up at work.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I? So it does come up at work. "

What?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like to take the same self-defence tactic as I had with my older brothers. Either windmill them, or a kick in the nuts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I? So it does come up at work.

What?"

*misspell

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I?

As in I work in various types of security where there are varying risks and where confrontations are common.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm ffs I meant I'm

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I? So it does come up at work.

What?

*misspell

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I?

As in I work in various types of security where there are varying risks and where confrontations are common. "

Ok. But i dont see your point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like to take the same self-defence tactic as I had with my older brothers. Either windmill them, or a kick in the nuts. "

yes! grew up with brothers! those same old tactics still work best!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"I like to take the same self-defence tactic as I had with my older brothers. Either windmill them, or a kick in the nuts.

yes! grew up with brothers! those same old tactics still work best!"

Not against acid in the face.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like to take the same self-defence tactic as I had with my older brothers. Either windmill them, or a kick in the nuts.

yes! grew up with brothers! those same old tactics still work best!

Not against acid in the face. "

yes, youre right..there is no defence for that, which is why its such a horrific crime

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"I like to take the same self-defence tactic as I had with my older brothers. Either windmill them, or a kick in the nuts.

yes! grew up with brothers! those same old tactics still work best!

Not against acid in the face.

yes, youre right..there is no defence for that, which is why its such a horrific crime"

Unfortunately, the perpetrators of horrific crimes rarely follow the rules of martial arts or any other rigarous exercise regimes..

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you."

They work so much better against other practitioners.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

They work so much better against other practitioners."

Pop to your nearest Thai boxing gym and offer one of them on in the car park.

If they don't walk off pissing themselves with laughter at you, you can prove that point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

They work so much better against other practitioners."

This is partly true, I worked doors for quite a while, had to remove a number of high grade fighters from the premises, whilst rigidly staying inside the law. Learned 1 thing from it, a well placed punch or kick hurts, but it's bloody hard to get that in unless the oponent is coming at you.

Self defence is close in strike hard at instep, balls, eyes and nose, then get away fast. If you are not close in don't get close distance is defence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Krav Maga is a tried and tested form of self defence. None of the others seem to have the real world in mind but Krav Maga is used by almost every elite fighting force in the world and as it's derived from a mixture of street fighting and martial arts in Israel I'd go out on a whim and say you'd be officially empowered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yes Dark, a pre emptive attack is legal. The second they shift their weight onto their back foot it is an aggressive stance and means they are about to assault you in which case you are within the confines of the law to use reasonable force.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Krav can be effective if well trained, but most people won't invest the time or have the trainers that the IDF do. It's got a little 'mcdojo' and over hyped in my opinion.

Systema is the Russian equivent and is a faster more instinctive system that uses the natural reflex actions as triggers.

Kali and Silat are used in the phillapines.

San Shou is the preferred style of the chineses state.

Tae quon do is used by the Koreans on both sides.

The Japanese riot police favour a hard style of aikido of all things.

The French prefer a combative version of Savate. (Savate is also a sport with Lycra clad chaps and chapesses looking rather fetching)

Bartitsu the manly art of defence was popular along with ju jitsu in Victorian Britain when people really did appreciate fisticuffs.

More modern scientific self defence geared styles like defence lab and its predecessor keysi fighting method would both make good options.

But if it's not pressure tested and well drilled whatever flavour of combat you choose will be useless. Once a week for an hour down your local gym will not stand up to anything like real aggression.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And yes Dark, a pre emptive attack is legal. The second they shift their weight onto their back foot it is an aggressive stance and means they are about to assault you in which case you are within the confines of the law to use reasonable force."

Actually it's when you genuinely believe you are about to be attacked. You would probably have to explain your actions in interview later though if police became involved.

A popularly taught and effective teqnique is to push on the centre of gravity and step in, sending them flying.

Maybe into the corner of a building.

Simelar is to bunker your head with your arms and battering ram them stepping in to knock them back.

After either give it legs.

The law is quite clear that you can use as much force as is reasonable in the circumstances to create a window of opertunity for escape.

I know one boxer who came unstuck in court after knocking out two angry d*unks, when the prosecution asked him how much road work he did and how fast he could cover 2 miles.

As he wasn't actually cornered and he let them come towards him before punching

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of the defensive arts being promoted in this thread require regular training to become fit and fast enough to fight.

If you want regular training for self defence then learn opera singing and distance running. That way you will be fit enough to run away, and capable of screaming loudly.

Will serve you far better than any fighting system.

If you have to engage then it's about balance. Rob their balance and they won't be as effective in their attack, never grab hold of them as that then just becomes strength against strength. If in a doorman type role then you need to hold take balance away, strike to back of knee often works, get their head out of alignment forearm beind head and hold at an awkward angle e.g. arm behind back, but then walk them and walk them fast to keep them off balance, once at the door a light push and get distance by stepping back on release. But don't push so hard they go down, or they will be bleeding and may have a broken bone which makes it hard to explain to the police effectively.

If you are moving towards your attacker at any time, you are going the wrong way.

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By *mokeynbubblyCouple
over a year ago

poole

My very old and wise Wing Chun master many years ago said to me that the best defence was to run away, if you can't do that kick them in the shins or bollocks until you can.

Very wise man he was

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My very old and wise Wing Chun master many years ago said to me that the best defence was to run away, if you can't do that kick them in the shins or bollocks until you can.

Very wise man he was

"

Where's his bloody pac sau, bong sau and chain punch????????

He's reduced the fine art of chun to eky thump.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

They work so much better against other practitioners.

Pop to your nearest Thai boxing gym and offer one of them on in the car park.

If they don't walk off pissing themselves with laughter at you, you can prove that point. "

Ah then we agree! Martial arts are only any good when you let them know that there's going to be a fight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can't talk your way out of trouble, run like the wind!

I detest the prospect of conflict, even in self defence.

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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Throat punch. I've only got little legs so I can't run fast

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Do a lot of fast, explosive sprint training.

First option is out run them.

If not go for the balls or the female equivalent.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If he's a big guy, he's not already thrown acid in your face or punched you so hard in the throat that your wind pipe has been crushed, try jumping onto him before trying to bite and scratch his ears eyes and face off. You'll at least have some good DNA evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If he's a big guy, he's not already thrown acid in your face or punched you so hard in the throat that your wind pipe has been crushed, try jumping onto him before trying to bite and scratch his ears eyes and face off. You'll at least have some good DNA evidence. "

Clem Miyagi San. Such wisdom Is worth heeding.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Ask yourself this question. Why are martial arts films sooo good?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

They work so much better against other practitioners.

Pop to your nearest Thai boxing gym and offer one of them on in the car park.

If they don't walk off pissing themselves with laughter at you, you can prove that point.

Ah then we agree! Martial arts are only any good when you let them know that there's going to be a fight."

Jump me any time you fancy.

It won't go good for you.

You said against other practitioners.

If I was going to go and have a fight for some wild and weird reason I actually had to, I know enough about unarmed combat and it's potential consequences to go get a sawn off shot gun and open the proceedings from the hip at 10 feet with both barrels.

As for the acid shit, you got more chance of getting glasses or hit by a random car.

Or a bomb.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ask yourself this question. Why are martial arts films sooo good? "

Ask yourself this question, why don't you fully read posts, then put random arguments that are actually part of a point made earlier, then act as if you have won some kind of argument by posting another randomly unconnected statement?

I think it's because you can't hold your party juice.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

They work so much better against other practitioners.

Pop to your nearest Thai boxing gym and offer one of them on in the car park.

If they don't walk off pissing themselves with laughter at you, you can prove that point.

Ah then we agree! Martial arts are only any good when you let them know that there's going to be a fight.

Jump me any time you fancy.

It won't go good for you.

You said against other practitioners.

If I was going to go and have a fight for some wild and weird reason I actually had to, I know enough about unarmed combat and it's potential consequences to go get a sawn off shot gun and open the proceedings from the hip at 10 feet with both barrels.

As for the acid shit, you got more chance of getting glasses or hit by a random car.

Or a bomb.

"

And this is the advice you're giving to women. Nice one.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ask yourself this question. Why are martial arts films sooo good?

Ask yourself this question, why don't you fully read posts, then put random arguments that are actually part of a point made earlier, then act as if you have won some kind of argument by posting another randomly unconnected statement?

I think it's because you can't hold your party juice. "

I congratulate you on actually "thinking", you have gained a little respect.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm also gonna say most martial arts films are shit with one or two rare exceptions now if you fancy a trip up to stoke I will turn my back and you can try and attack me but I garuntee you, the result will make you unhappy.

Possibly educational but not enjoyably so for you.

As I mentioned before, confrontation is a bit of my job, not my favourite bit but something I am proffesionaly competent at.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"I'm also gonna say most martial arts films are shit with one or two rare exceptions now if you fancy a trip up to stoke I will turn my back and you can try and attack me but I garuntee you, the result will make you unhappy.

Possibly educational but not enjoyably so for you.

As I mentioned before, confrontation is a bit of my job, not my favourite bit but something I am proffesionaly competent at. "

Yeah no shit. "Come and 'ave a go if you think you're hard enough!" So predictable.

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"If he's a big guy, he's not already thrown acid in your face or punched you so hard in the throat that your wind pipe has been crushed, try jumping onto him before trying to bite and scratch his ears eyes and face off. You'll at least have some good DNA evidence. "

I like the way you think

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All forms of martial arts are good for self defence, until the odds are stacked against you.

They work so much better against other practitioners.

Pop to your nearest Thai boxing gym and offer one of them on in the car park.

If they don't walk off pissing themselves with laughter at you, you can prove that point.

Ah then we agree! Martial arts are only any good when you let them know that there's going to be a fight.

Jump me any time you fancy.

It won't go good for you.

You said against other practitioners.

If I was going to go and have a fight for some wild and weird reason I actually had to, I know enough about unarmed combat and it's potential consequences to go get a sawn off shot gun and open the proceedings from the hip at 10 feet with both barrels.

As for the acid shit, you got more chance of getting glasses or hit by a random car.

Or a bomb.

And this is the advice you're giving to women. Nice one. "

If you have to go and have a fight. Make sure you win it. That's sound advice for anyone. I wasn't giving advice to anyone, I was asking for opinions on this crap cult of self defence 'training' that's about as much use as a one day karate party.

As I said above really good self defence.

1/ awareness, avoid potentially dangerous areas and environments.

2/ avoid possible confrontation

3/ don't make yourself an appealing target

4/ scream struggle and run

5/ try to fight back

I also touched on the legality of self defence. Pre emptive striking and use of reasonable force to create a window of opertunity for escape.

Now make more d*unk assumptions about me.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

It's kicking off in the Self Defence Thread.

You want some? I give it ya

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I congratulate you on actually thinking .............

Yeh he's d*unk

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"If he's a big guy, he's not already thrown acid in your face or punched you so hard in the throat that your wind pipe has been crushed, try jumping onto him before trying to bite and scratch his ears eyes and face off. You'll at least have some good DNA evidence.

I like the way you think "

The OP seems to have forgotten that his own post is about women being attacked. Women who very rarely are 6ft tall and whom work doors for a living. If you can't run away then a ferocious face attack maybe all you have left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm also gonna say most martial arts films are shit with one or two rare exceptions now if you fancy a trip up to stoke I will turn my back and you can try and attack me but I garuntee you, the result will make you unhappy.

Possibly educational but not enjoyably so for you.

As I mentioned before, confrontation is a bit of my job, not my favourite bit but something I am proffesionaly competent at.

Yeah no shit. "Come and 'ave a go if you think you're hard enough!" So predictable. "

Remember what I said about 'if you know your going to have a fight'

'Make sure you don't loose it'

If your silly enough to attack some one, don't expect to win.

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over a year ago


"If he's a big guy, he's not already thrown acid in your face or punched you so hard in the throat that your wind pipe has been crushed, try jumping onto him before trying to bite and scratch his ears eyes and face off. You'll at least have some good DNA evidence.

I like the way you think

The OP seems to have forgotten that his own post is about women being attacked. Women who very rarely are 6ft tall and whom work doors for a living. If you can't run away then a ferocious face attack maybe all you have left. "

My orrigional post was asking for opinions on the useless self defence advice being widely recommended across popular media.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I? So it does come up at work.

What?

*misspell

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I?

As in I work in various types of security where there are varying risks and where confrontations are common. "

Which one of us can't hold our party juice?

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over a year ago


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked. "

Proper door staff ask you politely to leave or politely decline you entry. They usually offer to get you a taxi or recommend a couple of places where the dress code will let you in.

Avoiding conflict and aggression.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I? So it does come up at work.

What?

*misspell

An I have mentioned in various types of security professional haven't I?

As in I work in various types of security where there are varying risks and where confrontations are common.

Which one of us can't hold our party juice? "

I'm dyslexic and haven't touched a drop all night. I've been working

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked. "

Nah, if you learned krav you wood be well ard to. Maybe even get a job on the door at spoons.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"My very old and wise Wing Chun master many years ago said to me that the best defence was to run away, if you can't do that kick them in the shins or bollocks until you can.

Very wise man he was

"

My first lesson in MA was pretty much the same, the advice was that if they can't catch you, they can't hurt you, so learn to run.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've actually had loads of success with loan d*unken idiots, getting them out of clubs and bars by saying stuff like 'can I have a quick chat over there mate?' Walking them to the lobby then asking what taxi firm they use and am usually helping them in a cab before they realise it's a transactional analysis thing.

A friend got mugged in Manchester by a guy with a hammer demanding his wallet and phone, my friend 'fumbled' and dropped the wallet and phone, now as the assailant stooped to pick them up, this is where the run would be advised. Don't stand there he might decide he wants more and if you ain't got it, it's hammer time, or maybe a sexual assault for the lady and hammer time. But the wallet an phone are replaceable.

My mate did a 999 off his little works Nokia and the mugger was detained by police in about 15 minutes.

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over a year ago

Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkybumbumhurtmuch?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch"

Try using lube?

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over a year ago


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

"

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo?

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over a year ago


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked.

Proper door staff ask you politely to leave or politely decline you entry. They usually offer to get you a taxi or recommend a couple of places where the dress code will let you in.

Avoiding conflict and aggression. "

I'm talking back in the 80s when they weren't licenced and loved a fight.

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over a year ago


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked.

Nah, if you learned krav you wood be well ard to. Maybe even get a job on the door at spoons. "

I could use my weight as an advantage I suppose. If they kindly laid on the floor for me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked.

Proper door staff ask you politely to leave or politely decline you entry. They usually offer to get you a taxi or recommend a couple of places where the dress code will let you in.

Avoiding conflict and aggression.

I'm talking back in the 80s when they weren't licenced and loved a fight. "

Oh there's still the possibility with decent door staff, breaking up fights or stopping attacks or detaining people for violent or drug offences.

But are you really going to have a fight over nothing, bear in mind, the guys with nothing to prove and confidence ain't gonna risk some nothing falling badly and banging their head or turn out to have a pre existing medical condition and die on them or .. mess up their hair and get sweaty for nothing?

You get paid to keep customers safe and happy, not act like a football firm away.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo? "

It's all about avoiding conflict, understanding when you're being provoked, and trying not to escalate a situation. That's the hallmark of a professional. Imho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked.

Proper door staff ask you politely to leave or politely decline you entry. They usually offer to get you a taxi or recommend a couple of places where the dress code will let you in.

Avoiding conflict and aggression.

I'm talking back in the 80s when they weren't licenced and loved a fight.

Oh there's still the possibility with decent door staff, breaking up fights or stopping attacks or detaining people for violent or drug offences.

But are you really going to have a fight over nothing, bear in mind, the guys with nothing to prove and confidence ain't gonna risk some nothing falling badly and banging their head or turn out to have a pre existing medical condition and die on them or .. mess up their hair and get sweaty for nothing?

You get paid to keep customers safe and happy, not act like a football firm away. "

A doorman killed a man a few years back by punching him. The man fell backwards, hit his head and died.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo?

It's all about avoiding conflict, understanding when you're being provoked, and trying not to escalate a situation. That's the hallmark of a professional. Imho."

I'm not at work bunnykins, are you feeling insecure and provoked then? Do you think I'm escalating things.

Don't you like homosexuals or bi men? Were you picked on at school?

Did the nasty boys make you cry?

Cmon have a hug, I bet I could make you feel fantastic, I know yall are fabstraight on here. Xx

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo?

It's all about avoiding conflict, understanding when you're being provoked, and trying not to escalate a situation. That's the hallmark of a professional. Imho.

I'm not at work bunnykins, are you feeling insecure and provoked then? Do you think I'm escalating things.

Don't you like homosexuals or bi men? Were you picked on at school?

Did the nasty boys make you cry?

Cmon have a hug, I bet I could make you feel fantastic, I know yall are fabstraight on here. Xx"

bless.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"One punch to the face and I'd be sparko on the floor.

This thread reminds me of a fight I witnessed as a teenager. Two big bouncers squared up to my husband and his mate (who was a bit of a lunatic and did bare knuckle fighting for money) and warned them that they are trained in something or other. My husband's mate ran up and knocked one out instantly with a punch to the jaw, then swung at the other one, knocking him flying.

I've seen many a brawl with punches flying. I never did learn how to punch properly

I have my large granny bag I'd use to defend myself from a front knife attack; it might give me a few seconds to run. I'd be helpless to an attack from behind and I can't run anyway. I'm fucked.

Proper door staff ask you politely to leave or politely decline you entry. They usually offer to get you a taxi or recommend a couple of places where the dress code will let you in.

Avoiding conflict and aggression.

I'm talking back in the 80s when they weren't licenced and loved a fight.

Oh there's still the possibility with decent door staff, breaking up fights or stopping attacks or detaining people for violent or drug offences.

But are you really going to have a fight over nothing, bear in mind, the guys with nothing to prove and confidence ain't gonna risk some nothing falling badly and banging their head or turn out to have a pre existing medical condition and die on them or .. mess up their hair and get sweaty for nothing?

You get paid to keep customers safe and happy, not act like a football firm away.

A doorman killed a man a few years back by punching him. The man fell backwards, hit his head and died. "

A friend of mine did it in about 2004 guy was acting up, escorted out in arm locks then attacked them when they let go, my mate decked him, he was a hemophilliac and had a gigantic brain bleed. Mate got cleared by the coroners court.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo?

It's all about avoiding conflict, understanding when you're being provoked, and trying not to escalate a situation. That's the hallmark of a professional. Imho.

I'm not at work bunnykins, are you feeling insecure and provoked then? Do you think I'm escalating things.

Don't you like homosexuals or bi men? Were you picked on at school?

Did the nasty boys make you cry?

Cmon have a hug, I bet I could make you feel fantastic, I know yall are fabstraight on here. Xx

bless."

Cmon lets have sex, you can play daddy x

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo?

It's all about avoiding conflict, understanding when you're being provoked, and trying not to escalate a situation. That's the hallmark of a professional. Imho.

I'm not at work bunnykins, are you feeling insecure and provoked then? Do you think I'm escalating things.

Don't you like homosexuals or bi men? Were you picked on at school?

Did the nasty boys make you cry?

Cmon have a hug, I bet I could make you feel fantastic, I know yall are fabstraight on here. Xx

bless.

Cmon lets have sex, you can play daddy x"

I don't have sex with children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Clem you should of changed your location to 'stoke on trent, bent' lol I'm just heading to my boyfriends in Stafford.

#Stalkystalkystalkymybumbumhurtstoomuch

Try using lube?

I'm not the butt hurt one darling. Do you want me to get the talc and wub it better boo boo?

It's all about avoiding conflict, understanding when you're being provoked, and trying not to escalate a situation. That's the hallmark of a professional. Imho.

I'm not at work bunnykins, are you feeling insecure and provoked then? Do you think I'm escalating things.

Don't you like homosexuals or bi men? Were you picked on at school?

Did the nasty boys make you cry?

Cmon have a hug, I bet I could make you feel fantastic, I know yall are fabstraight on here. Xx

bless.

Cmon lets have sex, you can play daddy x

I don't have sex with children. "

Lol oh clem, you are a little one, if your going for total butt hurt ness carry on.

It's your loss if you don't want the pleasure of my fabulous body.

Toodleoo x

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point "

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it. "

I'm not macho at all really, cmon rim me and fuck me, I'll forgive you for posting shite without reading first. Xx

Fuck me really hard honey.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point "

Ask them to pick the hand bags up, I'm gonna go flying in a minute

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it. "

Cmon make love to me xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've got an Elvira costume, a Harley Quinn one and a gothy cheer leader one, last offer?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it.

I'm not macho at all really, cmon rim me and fuck me, I'll forgive you for posting shite without reading first. Xx

Fuck me really hard honey. "

I dont top.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it.

I'm not macho at all really, cmon rim me and fuck me, I'll forgive you for posting shite without reading first. Xx

Fuck me really hard honey.

I dont top. "

Why didn't you say so, I switch and my boy friend is most defiantly top, we can tag team you

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it.

I'm not macho at all really, cmon rim me and fuck me, I'll forgive you for posting shite without reading first. Xx

Fuck me really hard honey.

I dont top.

Why didn't you say so, I switch and my boy friend is most defiantly top, we can tag team you "

Yay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder how self defence applies in such a situation

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"I wonder how self defence applies in such a situation "

What we need is an expert on the subject...

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

...


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it.

I'm not macho at all really, cmon rim me and fuck me, I'll forgive you for posting shite without reading first. Xx

Fuck me really hard honey. "

What what?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wonder how self defence applies in such a situation

What we need is an expert on the subject..."

I wouldn't defend myself from that sort of thing. It's like when you get kissed to the ground from behind and end up bent over the arm of the sofa, impaled on a gigantic throbbing penis, just wriggle your toes and enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I kick in the bollocks will beat any self defence. Fact

Yep and my thing as a woman getting attacked I would literally poop myself and reach into my knickers and stuff my turd in the guys mouth! "
plenty on here would like that

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point

Stunning isn't it. I essentially agree with him. But he's too macho to admit it.

I'm not macho at all really, cmon rim me and fuck me, I'll forgive you for posting shite without reading first. Xx

Fuck me really hard honey.

What what?! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop flirting you two! This threads gone way off point "

I know, I saw all the comments and thought hmm, interesting to see so many people involved with martial arts, I was wrong.

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