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"havent seen any media blackout on my tele" There are _umours the media are being told to keep some things quiet, friends has reported to me of scenes going on in Stockport and Oldham but nothing on the news. | |||
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"havent seen any media blackout on my tele" Not a blackout, but BBC crews were attacked in Salford today, and only 10 minutes ago, "live" on SKY News, a film crew and presenter had to pack up smartish into their vehicle as they were beginning to be surrounded by gangs of hoodies. Other media personnel have had cameras smashed or have been beaten up as rioters realise that film images could be used to identify them. | |||
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"Millwall vigilanties "Yeh I've heard about those, and there's other tales of communities standing together. no saying any of it is true but there's talk of it. | |||
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"Eh !!!!! Media blackout... How do you know this OP please.." No word of it whatsoever on any of the media sites...a small mention on the news about a 'group of people in Eltham'...the group are 200 strong..the police stopped them heading to nearby Lewisham as the heard the looters were going to hit there apparently. Hey its a good job Manchester United supporters dont try to reclaim the streets..most of em live in London!!  | |||
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Yeh I've heard about those, and there's other tales of communities standing together.
no saying any of it is true but there's talk of it."Oh its true shag...check twitter. | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window...." Just out of interest Jane, how many 18-25 year old males do you employ? Doing your bit to keep umemployment statistics within reason? | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window...." That made me chuckle  | |||
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"Eh !!!!! Media blackout... How do you know this OP please.. No word of it whatsoever on any of the media sites...a small mention on the news about a 'group of people in Eltham'...the group are 200 strong..the police stopped them heading to nearby Lewisham as the heard the looters were going to hit there apparently. Hey its a good job Manchester United supporters dont try to reclaim the streets..most of em live in London!! "That's not true, all fabricated about Man U fans, there are way too many to live in London and Manchester together if truth be told.  | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... Just out of interest Jane, how many 18-25 year old males do you employ? Doing your bit to keep umemployment statistics within reason?" Two....out of the Three I employ at the moment. | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... That made me chuckle "Just hope it was a joke now I think about it | |||
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"Millwall vigilanties
Yeh I've heard about those, and there's other tales of communities standing together.
no saying any of it is true but there's talk of it.
Oh its true shag...check twitter."Not used it, don't know how to.lol another _umour is they're trying to get facebook, twitter and bbm closed down temporarily | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... Just out of interest Jane, how many 18-25 year old males do you employ? Doing your bit to keep umemployment statistics within reason? Two....out of the Three I employ at the moment." I'm impressed. | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... That made me chuckle
Just hope it was a joke now I think about it "Riots in central Plymouth are reported to have caused Ten Thousand pounds worth of improvements.... | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... That made me chuckle
Just hope it was a joke now I think about it
Riots in central Plymouth are reported to have caused Ten Thousand pounds worth of improvements...."Posher than Bradford then. | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... That made me chuckle
Just hope it was a joke now I think about it
Riots in central Plymouth are reported to have caused Ten Thousand pounds worth of improvements....
Posher than Bradford then."Marginally....not much in it | |||
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"Millwall vigilanties
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no saying any of it is true but there's talk of it.
Oh its true shag...check twitter."I'm having a nosey now. | |||
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"Millwall vigilanties
Yeh I've heard about those, and there's other tales of communities standing together.
no saying any of it is true but there's talk of it.
Oh its true shag...check twitter.
I'm having a nosey now."oh it's true, they've been all over the news. groups in communities guarding their shops and streets. They figure that they will be able to get the message throo to the looters that the police cant. The problem is that if they were to confront a gang it could cause so much more work for the police! xAx | |||
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"Not sure about any media blackout but the Police press conference in Manchester on Sky now is describing a much darker picture about what has been going on than than is refelcted in the Sky news reports..." Im just watching this too and agree | |||
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"Not sure about any media blackout but the Police press conference in Manchester on Sky now is describing a much darker picture about what has been going on than than is refelcted in the Sky news reports... Im just watching this too and agree " Sinister as it sounds too, a witness on SKY News tonight said he saw older guys on mobile phones orchestrating all the movements of the rioters. This isn't a "spur of the moment" action by locals; it is being organised! | |||
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"I've been told to get out of Bolton Town Centre tonight at about 9:15.At least the police realize who the genuine people are. "the plan today was to 'sterilize' main areas of staff and walkers by, so that if looters did arrive they could get to them easier. xAx | |||
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" going to hit there apparently. Hey its a good job Manchester United supporters dont try to reclaim the streets..most of em live in London!! "I think most of them live in China nowadays!! London is so-o-o last year!  | |||
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"Peoiple are deluded if you think a bunch of Millwall hooligans are going to make the situation any better. They are there for one reason only and it's not to defend their turf. Nothing like a little publicity ahead of the new football season. "They are not all hooligans...what about the Sikhs etc defending there temples? Or is that 'different'? Its been happening all over London, and rivalries have put put aside by the looks of it with group of oposing supporters 'firming up' as they cal it.. It certainly seemed to work in Eltham, the police warned shopkeepers that they were going to be hit..the word spread and people turned up to defend..the looters kept an eye on them, but stayed well away...knowing full well it wouldnt just be a 'game' of cat and mouse like they played with the police on Monday. Dont beleive everything you read in the Sun about football supporters...Millwall in particular..I know a few and they are just regular guys with a sense of whats right and wrong. | |||
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"Peoiple are deluded if you think a bunch of Millwall hooligans are going to make the situation any better. They are there for one reason only and it's not to defend their turf. Nothing like a little publicity ahead of the new football season.
They are not all hooligans...what about the Sikhs etc defending there temples?
Or is that 'different'?
Its been happening all over London, and rivalries have put put aside by the looks of it with group of oposing supporters 'firming up' as they cal it..
It certainly seemed to work in Eltham, the police warned shopkeepers that they were going to be hit..the word spread and people turned up to defend..the looters kept an eye on them, but stayed well away...knowing full well it wouldnt just be a 'game' of cat and mouse like they played with the police on Monday.
Dont beleive everything you read in the Sun about football supporters...Millwall in particular..I know a few and they are just regular guys with a sense of whats right and wrong."Copy and paste this link into your browser and tell these marching thugs are only protecting their turf! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suns434gYaU I have no need to read the Sun to know what some Millwall fans are like as I have experienced first hand what they are capable of. Millwall Bushwackers/F-troop are pure scum | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window...." pelting the police with pasties ,i thought that sort of thing only happened in cornwall or after a wurzles gig.. | |||
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" the one in Eltham was a lot, lot more sinister.... because of who was behind it.. because who was trumpeting that particular one, and what was being said by those people.... I am not surprised they weren't allowed to march to woolwich, they may well have been calling themselves "millwall supporters" but I also know from people in south east london that they were being called other things.... and the stuff they were chanting was vile and was more likely to inflame the situation if the police wasn't there..... i am all for community action like at clapham junction yesterday.... but what happened in eltham was more of a "hijack" of a situation of certain peoples political gain....." I have heard on the media this morning that the group in Eltham who wished to march to Woolwich were actually the English Defence League! Like we need them sticking their oar in too! | |||
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"Youths have been pelting Police Officers with Pasties all evening in Exeter.... Man seen driving Combine Harvester through the Save the Children charity shop window.... That made me chuckle
Just hope it was a joke now I think about it
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" the one in Eltham was a lot, lot more sinister.... because of who was behind it.. because who was trumpeting that particular one, and what was being said by those people.... I am not surprised they weren't allowed to march to woolwich, they may well have been calling themselves "millwall supporters" but I also know from people in south east london that they were being called other things.... and the stuff they were chanting was vile and was more likely to inflame the situation if the police wasn't there..... i am all for community action like at clapham junction yesterday.... but what happened in eltham was more of a "hijack" of a situation of certain peoples political gain..... I have heard on the media this morning that the group in Eltham who wished to march to Woolwich were actually the English Defence League! Like we need them sticking their oar in too! "You have heard totally wrong... And to take up on Fab's point..the only people wh might be trying to hijack the situation would be the EDL and or BNP ...trust me the people who went there last night were NOT EDL...they may have had some members..but I can assure you it was NOT organised by the EDL or any other right wing group. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/aug/10/eltham-riots-police-videos The majority of Millwall supporters, like most supporters dont have any time for the EDL...Back in the late seventies the NF tried to do some recruiting at Millwall and were told AND shown where to go... Dont beleive everything (or want to beleive) you read in the tabloids people. | |||
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"In the midst of all this terror and carnage, one picture stood out for me, a young lad with a basket of food. All around him nicking "stuff": stealing is wrong, but I did find that picture rather sad." I still can't stop thinking about the poor lad who was bleeding and they robbed what was in his rucksack. I have heard that he is ok and in hospital with a broken jaw though. Do you mean the lad was robbing food? Now that is sad if it is | |||
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" Dont beleive everything (or want to beleive) you read in the tabloids people." I am guessing people are hearing their news from lots of sources and if they are printed/ reported in lots of ways the same information then what difference it makes where you get it from, it could still be all lies or the truth. Mine was from the Sky news which reported that it was a sinister body using Ealing as a platform. | |||
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some years ago i had gone with a mate to see a show at the hippodrome. It was a lovely day , all carnivaly as "hands across the world" were there doing some charity thingy...
Anyways, we comes out of theatre and no buses and we waits and waits and still no buses....
This chap comes round the corner and tells us that you wont get a bus as "reclaim the streets" have block everything off
We had to go get a train which was filled with these "reclaimers" going home after bringing b,ham to a stand still | |||
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"In the midst of all this terror and carnage, one picture stood out for me, a young lad with a basket of food. All around him nicking "stuff": stealing is wrong, but I did find that picture rather sad. I still can't stop thinking about the poor lad who was bleeding and they robbed what was in his rucksack. I have heard that he is ok and in hospital with a broken jaw though. Do you mean the lad was robbing food? Now that is sad if it is "The young lad being mugged by his "Samaritans" was sad: but it didn't surprise me if that makes sense. It was the sight of people with bottles of booze, cigarettes, designer clothes, trainers etc, obviously out for themselves destroying their already depressed neighbourhood that sickened me, but in the midst of that a young lad with a half full hand basket of food saddened me. I'm not condoning his actions in any way: I just found it sad. | |||
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" the one in Eltham was a lot, lot more sinister.... because of who was behind it.. because who was trumpeting that particular one, and what was being said by those people.... I am not surprised they weren't allowed to march to woolwich, they may well have been calling themselves "millwall supporters" but I also know from people in south east london that they were being called other things.... and the stuff they were chanting was vile and was more likely to inflame the situation if the police wasn't there..... i am all for community action like at clapham junction yesterday.... but what happened in eltham was more of a "hijack" of a situation of certain peoples political gain..... I have heard on the media this morning that the group in Eltham who wished to march to Woolwich were actually the English Defence League! Like we need them sticking their oar in too!
You have heard totally wrong...
And to take up on Fab's point..the only people wh might be trying to hijack the situation would be the EDL and or BNP ...trust me the people who went there last night were NOT EDL...they may have had some members..but I can assure you it was NOT organised by the EDL or any other right wing group.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/aug/10/eltham-riots-police-videos
The majority of Millwall supporters, like most supporters dont have any time for the EDL...Back in the late seventies the NF tried to do some recruiting at Millwall and were told AND shown where to go...
Dont beleive everything (or want to beleive) you read in the tabloids people."you were right... the ones behind eltham wasn't the EDL..... but if the crowd of people who wanted to go to woolwich were singing "no surrender" and chanting "B...B...BNP" then i think that they are not protecting people in my name..... (you might want to check nick griffin's twitter feed.... its highly enlightening.... ) | |||
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"(you might want to check nick griffin's twitter feed.... its highly enlightening.... )"He has a few points there though... " "If root cause was poverty then Scotland, Wales & the North East would be far worse (rioting) than London . . ."" ..the rest of his tweets are him just ranting with no real substance behind it. | |||
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Makes it a "Shopping Riot" rather than a political one, IMHO! | |||
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" the one in Eltham was a lot, lot more sinister.... because of who was behind it.. because who was trumpeting that particular one, and what was being said by those people.... I am not surprised they weren't allowed to march to woolwich, they may well have been calling themselves "millwall supporters" but I also know from people in south east london that they were being called other things.... and the stuff they were chanting was vile and was more likely to inflame the situation if the police wasn't there..... i am all for community action like at clapham junction yesterday.... but what happened in eltham was more of a "hijack" of a situation of certain peoples political gain..... I have heard on the media this morning that the group in Eltham who wished to march to Woolwich were actually the English Defence League! Like we need them sticking their oar in too!
You have heard totally wrong...
And to take up on Fab's point..the only people wh might be trying to hijack the situation would be the EDL and or BNP ...trust me the people who went there last night were NOT EDL...they may have had some members..but I can assure you it was NOT organised by the EDL or any other right wing group.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/aug/10/eltham-riots-police-videos
The majority of Millwall supporters, like most supporters dont have any time for the EDL...Back in the late seventies the NF tried to do some recruiting at Millwall and were told AND shown where to go...
Dont beleive everything (or want to beleive) you read in the tabloids people.
you were right... the ones behind eltham wasn't the EDL..... but if the crowd of people who wanted to go to woolwich were singing "no surrender" and chanting "B...B...BNP" then i think that they are not protecting people in my name.....
(you might want to check nick griffin's twitter feed.... its highly enlightening....)"I wouldnt give that idiot the time of day Fab.. As for the clowns doing the chanting they were very misguided if they thought I was only blacks doing the looting...now Im going to stick my neck on the block here and say on the first day of the looting most, but definately not all, of the looters appeared to be black...which is worrying given the 85-15% white, non white split in that area...But Monday saw a different ratio...close on 50/50 looting... Im sorry if seems an unfair comment, but to justify it take a look at all the community leaders and youth workers etc the media are inter_iewing... Its obvious the media have been briefed on what to say and how to say it...a guy reporting on the riots Monday saw a car drive past...he said something like 'there goes another car full of er, er..(silence)...youths' Maybe a gagging order is a good thing maybe it isnt... But who cares about the colour...the point is they are ALL vermin thieves..with no justification whatsoever. And hearing people like Dianne Abbot and Red Ken trying to score points scikens me to the bone.. The point of this long drawn out reply?...brush taring...all white male football supporters shouldnt be tarred with the same brush...and neither should all black people..cos it was fantastic to see a few of them helping with the clearing up operations...I bet Prick Griffin carefully overlooks that fact. (and I have typed the word 'Criminality' once!! | |||
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"Looking at the demographic for those in court so far, the riots cannot be all about poverty! A teacher, a Youth Worker, a University Student, a Fork Lift Driver and a guy who WAS going into the army in a short time. It will be interesting to see the full list and just how many "decent" people were involved! A news report said that most who went through the system are of previously good character!!
Makes it a "Shopping Riot" rather than a political one, IMHO! "really well thats interesting i thought it was all disenfranchised youth that had no future oh well it looks like the majority of us were right then when we said it was actually just theiving scum huh | |||
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"When we have the highest youth unemployment we have had for over 15 years and the Youth Service in London having just been cut by 7 million pounds in the last 2 months. What else did central govnt think was going to happen? The estimated cost of the rioting in London to date is 9 million would it not have been sensible to pay the youth service to support these young people into more positive pursuits? We have recently had university fees triple in England and Northern Ireland, educational Maintaince grants to students from poor backgronds cut.. it was a time bomb waiting to happen by the not so dynamic duo of Clegg and Cameron I am clearly not supporting or condoning the behaviour of the rioters... But hot summer nights where kids are on the streets full of energy.....whjat else did they expect." rioters in 100 pound trainers on 300 pound smart phones ... | |||
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"When we have the highest youth unemployment we have had for over 15 years and the Youth Service in London having just been cut by 7 million pounds in the last 2 months. What else did central govnt think was going to happen? The estimated cost of the rioting in London to date is 9 million would it not have been sensible to pay the youth service to support these young people into more positive pursuits? We have recently had university fees triple in England and Northern Ireland, educational Maintaince grants to students from poor backgronds cut.. it was a time bomb waiting to happen by the not so dynamic duo of Clegg and Cameron I am clearly not supporting or condoning the behaviour of the rioters... But hot summer nights where kids are on the streets full of energy.....whjat else did they expect." struggling to believe anyone still believes this is the reasoning behind it to be honest | |||
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" But hot summer nights where kids are on the streets full of energy.....whjat else did they expect. " Hot summer nights? In Manchester?? | |||
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"When we have the highest youth unemployment we have had for over 15 years and the Youth Service in London having just been cut by 7 million pounds in the last 2 months. What else did central govnt think was going to happen? The estimated cost of the rioting in London to date is 9 million would it not have been sensible to pay the youth service to support these young people into more positive pursuits? We have recently had university fees triple in England and Northern Ireland, educational Maintaince grants to students from poor backgronds cut.. it was a time bomb waiting to happen by the not so dynamic duo of Clegg and Cameron I am clearly not supporting or condoning the behaviour of the rioters... But hot summer nights where kids are on the streets full of energy.....whjat else did they expect." and what was taken from the parents years ago to make them the crap role models they must be to spawn this lot..... | |||
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"Sky showing the first video footage of police dealing 'robustly' with the situation and Greater Manchester Police officials having to issue statements to defend the action.... They cant do right for doing wrong
And so it begins..."Sadly I was waiting for that. I wonder how many compensation claims and complaints will go in from the innocent little darling looters and their parents. | |||
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"The parents hold the greater responsibility... Generational dysfunction... Take back the power from the kids and reintroduce them to boundaries and discipline.." exactly... | |||
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"Sky showing the first video footage of police dealing 'robustly' with the situation and Greater Manchester Police officials having to issue statements to defend the action.... They cant do right for doing wrong
And so it begins...
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"When we have the highest youth unemployment we have had for over 15 years and the Youth Service in London having just been cut by 7 million pounds in the last 2 months. What else did central govnt think was going to happen? The estimated cost of the rioting in London to date is 9 million would it not have been sensible to pay the youth service to support these young people into more positive pursuits? We have recently had university fees triple in England and Northern Ireland, educational Maintaince grants to students from poor backgronds cut.. it was a time bomb waiting to happen by the not so dynamic duo of Clegg and Cameron I am clearly not supporting or condoning the behaviour of the rioters... But hot summer nights where kids are on the streets full of energy.....whjat else did they expect." I dont except one word of that Im affriad... One of the scum in court today was a primary school teacher aged 31! Yes there is high unemployerment amoung todays youth..and its very difficult them finding work...what hasnt helped is the new NMW for young people...ok employers cant take on cheap labour anymore..so what do they do?..dont take them on at all!..or lay the ones who they have got off, claiming they cant afford to keep them because they are not covering enough work to justify their wage.. Now I do think that this really is a Government problem..more help should go directly to employers maybe. Trainees on some local authority run schemes still take home 50 quid a week..I was on that 30 fucking years ago! This riot is about one thing and one thing only..personal greed Chav quote from today part 1 'Iss cos day put up da university fees I fink' (as if some rich kid done him out of a place!!) Chav quote part 2 'This is a protest against the rich'...when the inter_iewer pointed out that shopkeepers and ordinary people had lost their homes and livelihoods the chav came back with 'well their Rich aint they!' Yeh their rich cos they fucking work for a living instead of stealing and mugging... We have made it too easy for a lot of these kids, and there is no deterrent not to break the law..what with limp wristed out of touch judges giving them soft sentences or letting them off completely.. Yeh blame the current government..cos everything was sooooooooooo perfect under labour wasnt it.. | |||
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"I for one am really pleased to see that so far the political leaders have not capitlaised on the causes and effects of teh terrible unrest. It appears for once that there is some unity.... hope it lasts..." wish i could say that.. but i saw michael gove and harriet harman go at it on newsnight last night..... it was pretty ugly | |||
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"I for one am really pleased to see that so far the political leaders have not capitlaised on the causes and effects of teh terrible unrest. It appears for once that there is some unity.... hope it lasts... wish i could say that.. but i saw michael gove and harriet harman go at it on newsnight last night..... it was pretty ugly" Oh heck I didnt see that - mine was based on the news earlier and I thought there was almost a nice feeling of unity... amongst all the chaos. What a shame...we need to pool together to bring this senseless violence to an end | |||
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"This line of it(the riots) being caused by poverty is bollocks. If that was the case then Bombay would have riots every day. " Tehy have got far better principles and respect compared to the scum here.. | |||
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"I for one am really pleased to see that so far the political leaders have not capitlaised on the causes and effects of teh terrible unrest. It appears for once that there is some unity.... hope it lasts... wish i could say that.. but i saw michael gove and harriet harman go at it on newsnight last night..... it was pretty ugly" Oh I dunno...maybe in a nice outfit, bit of make up she wouldnt be too bad.. Dianne Abbot (the one who sends her kids to private school so they dont have to mix with the ferel kids from the areas she represents)and Red Ken were trying to score points on Sunday morning... | |||
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"Sky showing the first video footage of police dealing 'robustly' with the situation and Greater Manchester Police officials having to issue statements to defend the action.... They cant do right for doing wrong
And so it begins..."not robust enough, hope the Police senior officers show it to all the Police as a reminder of how to deal with the scum... | |||
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"Wolverhampton council have said that anyone charged with rioting etc and they happen to live in a council house...will be evicted. the whole family. Bloody hope so to "Now that is a good start. | |||
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"Wolverhampton council have said that anyone charged with rioting etc and they happen to live in a council house...will be evicted. the whole family. Bloody hope so to "Low Hill, The Lunt and Heath Town will become Ghost towns if that happens. | |||
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