FabSwingers.com forum: just wondering what peolpes views on the riots are?

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over a year ago

Hard to think its in the uk and London a combination of mass immigration of low paid workers and a recession will give you what you have got. Couple these elements with a softly, softly policing policy and strong racially driven grievance cultures and what you can expect is what you are seeing. While the rioting is obviously mixed race the root of the problem is in areas with large migrant populations but with copy cat elsewhere. If you take the Irish example the migration took place 400 years ago and the trouble is still there. Now the genie is out of the bottle it will be hard to put back.

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over a year ago

I said on the other thread that Toxteth would be next and lo and behold it kicked off there last night too, as well as Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol.

It comes as no surprise that these three cities, as well as London, were the flashpoint for the riots of the 1980s.

What has changed since then?

Two long term governments have risen and fallen since the 80s, one Labour and one Conservative, so the blame can't be blamed at the feet of the politicians. We've had three recessions since the 80s (the stock market crashes of 87, 97 and 2008), so it isn't purely down to the bankers for agitating people to the point of civil disobediance.

Unemployment has also risen and fallen in line with the economics of they 80s, 90s and 2000-10, and has remained pretty constant as an average during that time period.

A generation separates the rioters of the 80s and the rioters on the streets last night. But from the same areas.

So what has changed since then?

They are better organised, that much is certain, as these riots have been co-ordinated via mobile phone and socnets. The police have far less powers than they did in the 80s and a fewer resources to go in and snatch the ringleaders off the streets, but that's not the real reason behind these riots, merely a consequence of it.

Generationally, the ill-educated youth of our inner cities have never experienced mass riots before and I'd wage that the majority of those on the streets looting these past three nights have been there for the excitement of it. I remember the copycat riots in Luton in the 80s and most of those that were there were there to experience it and not neccessarily there because of some sense of social injustice they were feeling. Opportunism plays a key part in these events too as riots are always held in places where goods can be procured once law and order has broken down - you never see a riot in an empty field.

What has changed?

Sony make better televisions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody school holidays. In my day the worse we did was a bit of scrumping.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bloody school holidays. In my day the worse we did was a bit of scrumping.........

scrumping??? we just used to try to do a bit of humping

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By *averiMan
over a year ago

Swindon to bristol

" Hard to think its in the uk and London a combination of mass immigration of low paid workers and a recession will give you what you have got. Couple these elements with a softly, softly policing policy and strong racially driven grievance cultures and what you can expect is what you are seeing. While the rioting is obviously mixed race the root of the problem is in areas with large migrant populations but with copy cat elsewhere. If you take the Irish example the migration took place 400 years ago and the trouble is still there. Now the genie is out of the bottle it will be hard to put back. "

That is a load of tosh!

Don't try and justify them. They are criminals...pure and simple.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The 'irony' of the Waterstones in Clapham high street being ignored by people desperate for the status symbols of our society where material goods mean all.

Its so sad its nearly funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is a load of tosh!

Don't try and justify them. They are criminals...pure and simple.

If they hate this country so much why dont they try somewhere else...Poland for example ....lots of theirs come here so maybe we could export some back in exchange. At least the Poles want to work...unlike our many of our 'own'."
over the years i have had poles work for me really very good .. i have english too good too ..... and end of the day thay are just people looking to make a living a lovely pole girl married my nephew .. i Dont justify and think what thay done is wright its not ..... just it go s alot deeper then that . I look at the bigger pic of life maybe you dont ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disgraceful. As if our country didn't have enough cr4p to deal with already. It's just a shame for the innocent people who get caught up and suffer...

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By *averiMan
over a year ago

Swindon to bristol

That is a load of tosh!

Don't try and justify them. They are criminals...pure and simple.

If they hate this country so much why dont they try somewhere else...Poland for example ....lots of theirs come here so maybe we could export some back in exchange. At least the Poles want to work...unlike our many of our 'own'. over the years i have had poles work for me really very good .. i have english too good too ..... and end of the day thay are just people looking to make a living a lovely pole girl married my nephew .. i Dont justify and think what thay done is wright its not ..... just it go s alot deeper then that . I look at the bigger pic of life maybe you dont ,"

How can you do that from Norwich? lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

That is a load of tosh!

Don't try and justify them. They are criminals...pure and simple.

Dont see any 'justification' in the post at all, just one persons view on the issue.

Many reasons why people dont, cant or wont work.

These people are oppotunistic scum imho, bent on anarchy.

They are not my 'own' in any way shape or form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The kids on the streets don't look like Poles, Ukranians etc.. they look like our very own homegrown lowlife underclass scumbags. These will be the kids who usually nick your hubcaps and leave syringes outside school gates. The same lowlife ameobas who'll break into your house to rob you while you sleep to feed some drug habit in the splendour of their filthy bedsits.

These people will never be a credit to society as they'll grow into their 30s and 40s and beyond with the exact same 'if it aint nailed down its mine' attitude they have now. And their kids will do the same - if they stick around long enough to teach them how to make a petrol bomb.

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By *icelymarkedMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

However ... From what I can see of this 'rioting' it is a comparatively small group -50 was mentioned in one part of London Vs 200 police. The police have to come out in force, they become stretched and these little swines can just run rings round them.

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Sorry to rant but I am really angry about this. There is just no excuse for it, just opportunistic mayhem because nothing happens to them immediately. The police seem to wait until after the event then look at CCTV before making arrests. It needs immediate retribution to make an impact and make them think before they start.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

as soon as the thugs out rioting are caught the parents will plead that my son is a nice quite boy!,he would not do this!,you must be mistaken and have got the wrong boy!.

if so why was he out of his bed at that time of night?,and miles away from his home?.

it is just mindless thugs out rioting and robbing!,any lame excuse like no job of work!,poverty and depravation will be used but they are using expensive phones to communicate so they obviously have money?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said on the other thread that Toxteth would be next and lo and behold it kicked off there last night too, as well as Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol.

It comes as no surprise that these three cities, as well as London, were the flashpoint for the riots of the 1980s.

What has changed since then?

Unemployment has also risen and fallen in line with the economics of they 80s, 90s and 2000-10, and has remained pretty constant as an average during that time period.

A generation separates the rioters of the 80s and the rioters on the streets last night. But from the same areas.

So what has changed since then?

What has changed?

Sony make better televisions."

MMM i am not so sure on this.

I cannot help feeling the younger generation has things pretty bad of late.

I am going to get shot down in flames, but here goes..

You can imagine this goverment all gathering in a exclucive london club just before coming to power.

"Right on getting into goverment on the back of the worst recession in years we will reduce family credit, scrap EMA close a lot of the job centres etc.

That should help most of our kids..ohh and if they work hard at school study for uni, lets increase the fees by at least double..that should help them"

Then a loan voice at the back says..

"they will riot like they did last time we were in goverment"

"Dont worry we have that covered, lets reduce the police by at least 20%"

Yes some are criminals, but some its a cry for help, it is hard out there.

This is a social issue and i am fed up of hearing we are all in this together buy a bunch of Millionaires.

Sony do indeed make great televisions..lets hope our kids can get the jobs to buy them one day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dnt care what colour they are they need a good kicking.

just seen a clip where they help up a kiddy whose been hurt and then mug him ffs.

pitiful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate."

Why is it inappropriate if it's true? I've seen quite a few videos and pics, and have to say, I think they'll end up as recruiting material for the BNP and EDL.

I feel truly sorry for those who live in cities and are affected by the riots. I live in the countryside and have 3 licensed shotguns. Send 'em my way, and I'll be only too happy to protect my family. However, as I don't live near a Sony store, I don't think they'll come my way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Because its not about that, its about just pure, opportunistic criminality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes some are criminals, but some its a cry for help, it is hard out there.

those are are burning and looting are criminals, hows does a cry for help justify this.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate."

agreed, its a mixture of all types of scum.

yes if the camera's are pointed at an estate in hackney the majority will be none white as thats the demographic of that area.

speaking to people dealing with this in other parts of the capital its a mixture of white and none white.

same as it was in the last lot in the 90's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate."

totally agree with the comment made to this post, skin colour has no bearing what so ever on what is going on, and i feel the comment screams of the 'r' word, which has no place in any society. for the poster to feel the need to add this i really cant fathom. *picks jaw up off floor*

shocking remark.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said on the other thread that Toxteth would be next and lo and behold it kicked off there last night too, as well as Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol.

It comes as no surprise that these three cities, as well as London, were the flashpoint for the riots of the 1980s.

What has changed since then?

Unemployment has also risen and fallen in line with the economics of they 80s, 90s and 2000-10, and has remained pretty constant as an average during that time period.

A generation separates the rioters of the 80s and the rioters on the streets last night. But from the same areas.

So what has changed since then?

What has changed?

Sony make better televisions.

MMM i am not so sure on this.

I cannot help feeling the younger generation has things pretty bad of late.

I am going to get shot down in flames, but here goes..

You can imagine this goverment all gathering in a exclucive london club just before coming to power.

"Right on getting into goverment on the back of the worst recession in years we will reduce family credit, scrap EMA close a lot of the job centres etc.

That should help most of our kids..ohh and if they work hard at school study for uni, lets increase the fees by at least double..that should help them"

Then a loan voice at the back says..

"they will riot like they did last time we were in goverment"

"Dont worry we have that covered, lets reduce the police by at least 20%"

Yes some are criminals, but some its a cry for help, it is hard out there.

This is a social issue and i am fed up of hearing we are all in this together buy a bunch of Millionaires.

Sony do indeed make great televisions..lets hope our kids can get the jobs to buy them one day."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said on the other thread that Toxteth would be next and lo and behold it kicked off there last night too, as well as Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol.

It comes as no surprise that these three cities, as well as London, were the flashpoint for the riots of the 1980s.

What has changed since then?

Unemployment has also risen and fallen in line with the economics of they 80s, 90s and 2000-10, and has remained pretty constant as an average during that time period.

A generation separates the rioters of the 80s and the rioters on the streets last night. But from the same areas.

So what has changed since then?

What has changed?

Sony make better televisions.

MMM i am not so sure on this.

I cannot help feeling the younger generation has things pretty bad of late.

I am going to get shot down in flames, but here goes..

You can imagine this goverment all gathering in a exclucive london club just before coming to power.

"Right on getting into goverment on the back of the worst recession in years we will reduce family credit, scrap EMA close a lot of the job centres etc.

That should help most of our kids..ohh and if they work hard at school study for uni, lets increase the fees by at least double..that should help them"

Then a loan voice at the back says..

"they will riot like they did last time we were in goverment"

"Dont worry we have that covered, lets reduce the police by at least 20%"

Yes some are criminals, but some its a cry for help, it is hard out there.

This is a social issue and i am fed up of hearing we are all in this together buy a bunch of Millionaires.

Sony do indeed make great televisions..lets hope our kids can get the jobs to buy them one day.

+1"
+1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is a load of tosh!

Don't try and justify them. They are criminals...pure and simple.

If they hate this country so much why dont they try somewhere else...Poland for example ....lots of theirs come here so maybe we could export some back in exchange. At least the Poles want to work...unlike our many of our 'own'. over the years i have had poles work for me really very good .. i have english too good too ..... and end of the day thay are just people looking to make a living a lovely pole girl married my nephew .. i Dont justify and think what thay done is wright its not ..... just it go s alot deeper then that . I look at the bigger pic of life maybe you dont ,

How can you do that from Norwich? lol

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just a outsider looking in ...... i think its bad and hope to god thay put a stop to it all ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where is our army to sort this out? this kind of thing kicks off in say, libya and our boys are there like a shot (pardon the pun) but yet it goes off in our own country and i dont see just one soldier from any of the forces around the world helping out! oh sorry, cameron is too busy trying to make himself look good by putting our soldiers lives on the line and draining our resources by sending our troops here there and everywhere! this country needs to get a grip of itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"where is our army to sort this out? this kind of thing kicks off in say, libya and our boys are there like a shot (pardon the pun) but yet it goes off in our own country and i dont see just one soldier from any of the forces around the world helping out! oh sorry, cameron is too busy trying to make himself look good by putting our soldiers lives on the line and draining our resources by sending our troops here there and everywhere! this country needs to get a grip of itself."
well he is about to hold a cobra meeting this morning,after having to return from his hols in italy...lets wait and see what that brings!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes cameron is as bad as blair and brown, none of them have a clue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"where is our army to sort this out? this kind of thing kicks off in say, libya and our boys are there like a shot (pardon the pun) but yet it goes off in our own country and i dont see just one soldier from any of the forces around the world helping out! oh sorry, cameron is too busy trying to make himself look good by putting our soldiers lives on the line and draining our resources by sending our troops here there and everywhere! this country needs to get a grip of itself.well he is about to hold a cobra meeting this morning,after having to return from his hols in italy...lets wait and see what that brings!!!!"

yeah i believe he was having a cracking time in a caravan in skeggy aswell, shame he had to cut short his budget holiday to sort the shit out that he's helped create.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

David Cameron "I am granting the Metropolitan Police emergency powers to use water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas to take back control of our streets from these ponsing, stealing, parasites . In addition I am deploying the British Army as a visible presence to provide the authority that is so very lacking.".....Carlsberg don't do Prime Ministers but if they did...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate."

Exactly, as on the tv and newspapers I'm looking at the rioters cover every skin tone: but hey, if you only see black it let's us know what YOU are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"David Cameron "I am granting the Metropolitan Police emergency powers to use water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas to take back control of our streets from these ponsing, stealing, parasites . In addition I am deploying the British Army as a visible presence to provide the authority that is so very lacking.".....Carlsberg don't do Prime Ministers but if they did..."

quality!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

PMSL

Just spilled my tea, cracking, Cute n' xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i pinched that from Facebook so can't take credit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just hope that it gets under control and doesn't happen tonight, but have a nasty feeling that this might be the thin end of the wedge.

Imagine if people come out to protect themselves and the rioters start to attack them, the way the policing has been to date, it would be a bloodbath.

This is not a reflection on the Police, I believe they are doing their best, but without real power and sufficient numbers to be really effective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got a text from my 20 yr old daughter at 11.30 last night to say that her and her friends had been kicked out of a club/pub(liverpoo) as it was closing because there were riots local. It was quite worrying to say the least, I would have thought they would have closed the doors with the people in them rather than send them outside and expose them to what was going on.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

Solution:

Bring on Bashar al-Assad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is what happens when you offer young people no hope of employment and bettering themselves through work. I don't in anyway support the actions of these thugs but successive governments have allowed this powder keg to evolve. Most of these youths involved will have come from communities where few people work and few have hope of ever working.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

These riots seem different to ones I've seen in the past,

Past riots have often been focused on authority figures, but this time it appears to be simply a large shopping expedition for many, or wanting to be seen to fit in with the crowd.

Why now? Only suggestion is that everyone is broke. Irony is that riots only increase costs and take resources away from areas.

Off to see what I can read about what those outside the UK are saying about them, always interesting to get a spread of views.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think the wrong message was sent but the police on sunday in a really simple way..

if you have a riot saturday night, fine take care of that, different issues cused that.....

but then in the same parts if people are being able to loot the shops that were broken into until sunday afternoon thats sends out a signal and a half to a lot of people that you can do it and get away with it....

in a lot of places yesterday looters were going in and out of shops and getting stuff and the police were standing there... so when it came to last night.... if you stretch the police all over london and light fires all over the place.... then the looters can pick targets... clapham junction, ealing, ect ect ect....

the police ended up trying to play catch up and not doing a good job...

what do i think will happen tonight.... nothing... the point had been made... plus i think they may try and bring in some sort of "greater london curfew" over the next couple of days....and tell people if you are on the streets, you do it at your own risk and people will be considered to be trying to break the law....

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

If you want reasons and excuses just listen to Diane Abbot and Ken Livingston..they have ALL the answers.

They will tell you why car loads of them were tearing from one place to another using their next expensive mobiles to convey where to go next.

They were allowed to get away with it...so they done it some more..and more.

Where was the tear gas where was the rubber bullets etc?..h no..I forgot this would be a breach of their civil rights wouldnt it

And they appealed to parents to check on their kids...the same parents who will be welcoming them home this morning when they walk in with a nice new plasma..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I got a text from my 20 yr old daughter at 11.30 last night to say that her and her friends had been kicked out of a club/pub(liverpoo) as it was closing because there were riots local. It was quite worrying to say the least, I would have thought they would have closed the doors with the people in them rather than send them outside and expose them to what was going on. "

I am guessing they did that to let the people get home, the people rioting where in Toxteth way , not in town xx

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

"This is what happens when you offer young people no hope of employment and bettering themselves through work. I don't in anyway support the actions of these thugs but successive governments have allowed this powder keg to evolve. Most of these youths involved will have come from communities where few people work and few have hope of ever working. "

One word ......Tripe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no 1 knows what the reasons are and why the riots started

am just shock to hear of some stories that some were attack in there own homes an no police were to be found why???

so called police to protect an serve they didn't last night

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Not wishing to sound rude, but yours and other peoples posts that make an excuse for theiving scumbags who want to scare the life out of decent people just annoys the hell out of me.

I said on the other thread, when I left school there was high unemployment where I lived, it didn't make me go loot shops and set light to cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is high unemployment were i am also

but dose not mean we go and riot

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"no 1 knows what the reasons are and why the riots started

am just shock to hear of some stories that some were attack in there own homes an no police were to be found why???

so called police to protect an serve they didn't last night"

I think they may be a bit stretched to save every person that needs help.

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

I got a message from a cousin last night to say that he has to stay with a friend as he couldnt get home at all, and he isnt sure if he can get to work tonight. Another friend informed me at 2.30 this morning that it was now hitting bristol. Its about time there was action taken, or we are gonna end up in a worse state of economics than we are already in. These things affect everyone wether directly or indirectly. The poilce need back up as they havnt got the man power to deal with this. Why havnt the water cannons been brought in yet, are they going to wait until nearly every major city is in a riotus stuation. FFS this is 2011, why has it been left to esculate this much?

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By *aughtyNurse999Woman
over a year ago

Fabville !!!

at this moment in time i am ashamed to be british

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

"no 1 knows what the reasons are and why the riots started

am just shock to hear of some stories that some were attack in there own homes an no police were to be found why???

so called police to protect an serve they didn't last night"

The riots started simply because they got away with it on Saturday and the word went out there was more fun to be had..then the animals all jumped on the wagon.

The police used the softly softly approach and it backfired..its funny how they can always find the time to whack football supporters over thead but they stand and watch peoples business and shops being looted..

Not the guys on the ground..but those in command centres away from the action.

Anyway...the educated, cowardly middle class trendies and lefties from suburbia have all the answers...best leave it to them eh..

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"The 'irony' of the Waterstones in Clapham high street being ignored by people desperate for the status symbols of our society where material goods mean all.

Its so sad its nearly funny"

lol i noticed that, are the book shops the new shelters of the 21st century,"theres a riot coming quick in the bookshop they'll never look in there "

I think its finally time that these lawless shadowy thugs realise that if you push against society and keep poking the bear it will eventually turn around and bite you.

I feel sorry for the police who are fighting this with one hand behind their back the IPCC the human rights act blah blah .If they read the riot act the soft glove can come off and there will be no follow up as all necessary action to clear the streets are allowed and the people doing the clearing are exempt from causing injury and even death.

I think its time society toughened up big style to preserve law and order.

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over a year ago

Anyway...the educated, cowardly middle class trendies and lefties from suburbia have all the answers...best leave it to them eh..

I don't know about the educated, cowardly middle class trendies and lefties from suburbia, but I have 3 answers to the problem - all made by Purdey and loaded with buckshot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i read it hit bristol aswell. even saw my area mentioned but havent seen or heard anything.

if it did happen im guessing would be the same bunch that started on stokes croft and torched a tesco express

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

Well I was made redundant a couple of weeks ago, I'm in my over draft, and owe money on my credit card.

Fuck it, I'll go loot a couple of shops, and set fire to a couple of cars.

Or maybe I'll just go do the voluntary work I've signed up for, and carry on with my OU course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it annoys me they say uk riots

only happen in england no were else

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it annoys me they say uk riots

only happen in england no were else

Thats because we are all in the UK Marti wether you like it or not."
yeh ano

just heard

england v holland game is off

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"it annoys me they say uk riots

only happen in england no were else

Thats because we are all in the UK, wether you like it or not.

Maybe call them up and ask them to report it as " in the UK but not Scottish end"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

p.s if any person is on the streets tonight and uses the line "the police were heavy handed" well, they can offically kiss my arse!!!

no excuses now.....

england game is now off....

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

most of the kids out looting and rioting are not old enough to work and do not know what unemployment means!,they are on holiday from school and are still being educated,they still got blackberry phones,computers,x-box and 26 flat screen tv in bedroom so what have they got to complain about?.

it is basically an excuse to run riot,loot shops and throw bricks and bottles at authority,ie the police!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate.

Exactly, as on the tv and newspapers I'm looking at the rioters cover every skin tone: but hey, if you only see black it let's us know what YOU are! "

well said sassy ...why does it always have to be brought back to colour!!! sickens me in this day and age!!!

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

I dont really care why they are doing it they have shown there disregard for the rest of us and going on a nicking spree ,all i know is they need a good fettling ,that poor elderly woman whos house they went into ,life will never be quite the same again for her and others.

i am looking for clear direction and decisive action from the government and prime minister in particular ,and like the rest of honest decent people want this crap sorted and quickly .

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I think there was no other reason for the riots last night than word of mouth and opportunity

The chance to grab something for nothing,to run absoltue rings around the police,to behave like scum,to have a laugh and egg each other on,to destroy and get away with it

They were mostly kids! laughing and joking as they smashed their way around around our cities last night

Someone said they were ashamed to be English in this thread,I would be ashamed to be a parent if my children were out last night and I did'nt know where they were

These kids had no statements to make,they could barely string a sentence together as they ransacked their way through the highstreets in a pack

The only reason they were doing what they did because they were having a laugh and im disgusted,my 17 yr old son and I watched until the early hrs and he told me he had never seen anything like it in his life,he could'nt think of anything to compare with the scenes last night

Chav culture was his expression

Im disgusted and I felt sorry for the police,there was no way they had the resources to cope with what was happening last night and those kids knew it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the kids are bored that's the problem

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over a year ago

"the kids are bored that's the problem"

Well if thats the case then why not put something back into their communities than just destroy them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

shit parents, with shit morals who think the world owes them an ipad mobile phone etc. send the army in crack some skulls and it will stop straight away!! fight fire with fire simple answer not pretty but will work.

Then build some stocks in each town centre put the looters in them and let everyone come and jeer throw rotten fruit at them hurt their pride and might make them think twice!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the kids are bored that's the problem

Well if thats the case then why not put something back into their communities than just destroy them?"
its the money now a days

blame the government for that with the cuts

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

"the kids are bored that's the problem"

Im sorry i have to disagree, kids bored? We has less to entertain us when we where that age , no x boxes, no play stations, no computers or laptops, the list could go on. We made our own entertainment with out breaking any laws. Parents of these children have a lot to answer for as well. I know without any doubt that if i was living in those areas my children wouldnt be out of the house.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i know you don't normally allow links.. but got this from twitter to show how depressing the whole situation is....

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ll=51.558503,-0.055275&spn=0.114195,0.298691

shows every single place where they have had incidents since saturday... it is startling and you can see why police have been stretched

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"the kids are bored that's the problem

Well if thats the case then why not put something back into their communities than just destroy them?its the money now a days

blame the government for that with the cuts"

I doubt very much if those kids last night have a clue what a governement is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the kids are bored that's the problem

Well if thats the case then why not put something back into their communities than just destroy them?its the money now a days

blame the government for that with the cuts

I doubt very much if those kids last night have a clue what a governement is

"
probably not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tear gas them all.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"the kids are bored that's the problem

Well if thats the case then why not put something back into their communities than just destroy them?its the money now a days

blame the government for that with the cuts"

Sorry, but I really do think you people should stop blaming others for peoples actions.

Having no money isn't an excuse to terrorise people/ loot shops/ burn cars and buildings and stretch our coppers to the limit ( I can't even begin to think of those coppers family sat at home wondering if they are ok )

Stop making excuses for people, we all have choices, these people CHOSE to do what they are doing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"shit parents, with shit morals who think the world owes them an ipad mobile phone etc. send the army in crack some skulls and it will stop straight away!! fight fire with fire simple answer not pretty but will work.

Then build some stocks in each town centre put the looters in them and let everyone come and jeer throw rotten fruit at them hurt their pride and might make them think twice!!"

oh we cant do that, it would be against their human rights, they would want compensation and there is enough barmy lawyers to support them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the kids are bored that's the problem"

what a load of b......s!!! i have 2 teenage boys im a single parent they are very bored during the hols but i know where they are ..they have cheap mobiles they must keep on at all times i call them when they are out. they play footy, kerby, etc...if i thought for one minute one of them kids was my kid i would be so ashamed and would righly or wrongly give them up to the police....

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By *itianmandyWoman
over a year ago

london

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate.

Why is it inappropriate if it's true? I've seen quite a few videos and pics, and have to say, I think they'll end up as recruiting material for the BNP and EDL. "

I guess it's inappropriate because when football hooligans, the EDL, UAF and student protestors riot-nobody mentions that the 'hoodies' have got mainly white faces and white hands because it's irrelevant.

Since the EDL claim to be anti racist if there's any uptake in membership it's likely to be from the kids rioting on our streets who might be attracted to the EDLs previous form with 'rumbles'

As others may have said, this is about mindless and reckless anti social behaviour and opportunistic looting-it's no political statement by black youths, the working class or anybody else. They saw the police didn't respond immediately so thought they'd help themselves to whatever they could.

It's time now to impose curfews and employ water cannons to the streets to maintain order.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the kids are bored that's the problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if the authorities dont take a tough approach to these scumbags doing this today, the people are gonna end up taking up arms.

then we`ll have a major, major issue.

the PM better make his address good. i dont wanna hear him berating those responsible. i want action.

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By *outhlondondudeMan
over a year ago

london

Complete disgrace! What is happening around the country has nothing to do with the incident in Tottenham. No excuse for the burning and looting. More people have lost homes and jobs and property.

I can't see how the Govt is going to make 20 percent cuts to Police numbers when they clearly are struggling as it is.

Funny that this hapens with the PM, the Deputy PM, Home Secretary on holiday and the MET without its Chief Commissioner and Deputy due to resignation. The timing just couldn't be invented.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kids these days have little guidence or punishment from parents etc, its a shame but all this not smaking them, no corporal punishment etc etc i know many think this is barbaric and not right but since all this stopped "youths" antisocial behaviour has increased.

Sound like an old fuddy duddy writing this but i was brought up properly by my parents to respect elders authority etc etc, yes i swear like a navvy sometimes and come from a working class background bit i understand a work ethic and right and wrong.

where are all these kids parents, dont see them out on the street grabbing their kids and taking them indoors, people are right on here the parents will be happy with a new telly etc!! scum chavy lowlifes!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids these days have little guidence or punishment from parents etc, its a shame but all this not smaking them, no corporal punishment etc etc i know many think this is barbaric and not right but since all this stopped "youths" antisocial behaviour has increased.

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

Ffs!!! I can't believe I actually read that!!!

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

"the kids are bored that's the problem

Well if thats the case then why not put something back into their communities than just destroy them?its the money now a days

blame the government for that with the cuts

Sorry, but I really do think you people should stop blaming others for peoples actions.

Stop making excuses for people, we all have choices, these people CHOSE to do what they are doing "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

"
there mountain police

there professional train for this

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

"if the authorities dont take a tough approach to these scumbags doing this today, the people are gonna end up taking up arms.

then we`ll have a major, major issue.

That occurred in Birmingham last night. I heard on the news this morning that the local traders community banded together to protect their shops.

I also watched on Sky news last night when some locals in a suburb of London were interviewed; they clearly indicated that they'll be getting together to protect their livilihoods.

So, the underlying feeling is already there that if the Police can't act quickly, local people will.

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over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

there mountain police

there professional train for this "

Mountain police?

In central London?

hahahahah!

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

there mountain police

there professional train for this "

mounted maybe?

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

Ffs!!! I can't believe I actually read that!!!

Of course, the horses are there!

They are trained specifically for tasks such as these, and have proved in the past in various cities across the world to be one of the best crowd control and quelling disorder tactics available.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

there mountain police

there professional train for this

Mountain police?

In central London?

hahahahah!"
miss spell you no

Mounted police - that better

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate.

Exactly, as on the tv and newspapers I'm looking at the rioters cover every skin tone: but hey, if you only see black it let's us know what YOU are!

well said sassy ...why does it always have to be brought back to colour!!! sickens me in this day and age!!!"

yep got to totally agree here too ,this spans across race ,creed or colour,this is a generation at odds with the rest of society and there is no room for the tired racist chants,its actually diverts from the issues and is offensive to most.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

3 days in and we`re still waiting on a firm coherent response by our elected leaders..3 bloody days..

Inept and we deserve better..

They should recall Parliament..

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By *_midland_cpl_xCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

its a total joke 1 women told reporters that’s its happened due to the police been racist but yet i could see black Asian and white people looting its gone way past anything to do with that kid who got shot there just yobs and criminals ppl saying that the kids have no where to go have to say when i was young i had no problem with finding things to do i didn’t go break into shops and set cars alight

give the police the powers to use tear gas and water cannons if the police show that they wont be fucked with then maybe people would think twice

and if the people in the communities where the yobs have come from would work with the police rather than not talk about what they know then half the trouble would not happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"3 days in and we`re still waiting on a firm coherent response by our elected leaders..3 bloody days..

Inept and we deserve better..

They should recall Parliament.."
should give the government a vote of no confidence

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Ok, do me a favour please...let's not bring race into this as it normally kicks off and has to be stopped, and then you won't be able to start another one.

Lets all accept that it is all colours on the streets looting/ burning and terrorising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the horses, they shouldnt be there.

Ffs!!! I can't believe I actually read that!!!

Of course, the horses are there!

They are trained specifically for tasks such as these, and have proved in the past in various cities across the world to be one of the best crowd control and quelling disorder tactics available.

i'm just wondering about the dogs, do they use them in riot situations cause i know for sure i'd shit myself and run if there was one running towards me.

no idea if they ever use them in that situation though

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"Lets all accept that it is all colours on the streets looting/ burning and terrorising."

Thats the truth of it too

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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A top policeman was just on This morning and has declined to comment on any suggestions of water cannons.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Lets all accept that it is all colours on the streets looting/ burning and terrorising.

Thats the truth of it too"

yup

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"A top policeman was just on This morning and has declined to comment on any suggestions of water cannons."

Did he say why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"3 days in and we`re still waiting on a firm coherent response by our elected leaders..3 bloody days..

Inept and we deserve better..

They should recall Parliament..should give the government a vote of no confidence "

A total lack of governance..

Fuck their sodding holidays..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the trouble is if you retaliate against these scumbags your the one who gets done the law is an ass its about time the law is changed to protect the innocent not the guilty

if a scunbag is unlawfully on my property he/she should loose their rights in the same way as if you drive your car illegally your insurance is invalid and i should have the right to defend with reasonable force without the fear of reprisles from the law

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"A top policeman was just on This morning and has declined to comment on any suggestions of water cannons.

Did he say why?"

No, he just kept skirting around the question, in the end he said that they don't have water cannons, so it looks at this point that they are not going to get the ones from Ireland.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

"3 days in and we`re still waiting on a firm coherent response by our elected leaders..3 bloody days..

Inept and we deserve better..

They should recall Parliament..should give the government a vote of no confidence

A total lack of governance..

Fuck their sodding holidays.."

If you watch the news, it has just been announced that Dave is havinga Public statement at 11am

Plus, Parliament has been recalled and will meet on thursday!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"3 days in and we`re still waiting on a firm coherent response by our elected leaders..3 bloody days..

Inept and we deserve better..

They should recall Parliament..should give the government a vote of no confidence

A total lack of governance..

Fuck their sodding holidays..

If you watch the news, it has just been announced that Dave is havinga Public statement at 11am

Plus, Parliament has been recalled and will meet on thursday!"

He`s doing something ?

How consoling..

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

A more robust response, keep your kids indoors from Police Commissioner.

Sorry to say, while good words, maybe not enough to scare people.

They should be blunt and state that tear gas and rubber bullets will be used on looters. A lack of a clear and simple message will give a green light for things to continue.

For a number involved I would suggest that getting arrested is of little fear I suspect.

As with others, watcing and searching around, I see nothing to suggest racism is involved, or race is an issue. Just lots of people hoping for a freebie, and dare I suggest parents who are happy when they come home with the stuff.

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

"A top policeman was just on This morning and has declined to comment on any suggestions of water cannons.

Did he say why?

No, he just kept skirting around the question, in the end he said that they don't have water cannons, so it looks at this point that they are not going to get the ones from Ireland."

Cant see why they cant, they could be there tonight, and the water cannons are a good device for pushing crowds back.

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

"3 days in and we`re still waiting on a firm coherent response by our elected leaders..3 bloody days..

Inept and we deserve better..

They should recall Parliament..should give the government a vote of no confidence

A total lack of governance..

Fuck their sodding holidays..

If you watch the news, it has just been announced that Dave is havinga Public statement at 11am

Plus, Parliament has been recalled and will meet on thursday!"

Thursday!!! Omg they should be dropping everything and meeting today!!!

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

There are no water cannons in the UK

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"the trouble is if you retaliate against these scumbags your the one who gets done the law is an ass its about time the law is changed to protect the innocent not the guilty

the law is there to turn that issue around the Riot act 1701

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

"There are no water cannons in the UK"

No they are here in Northern Ireland, across a very small stretch of water. Which should have been sent by now. If the government had the balls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are no water cannons in the UK"

there is they just havnt been asked to use them yet and thats from the horses mouth about 10 mins ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the trouble is if you retaliate against these scumbags your the one who gets done the law is an ass its about time the law is changed to protect the innocent not the guilty

the law is there to turn that issue around the Riot act 1701"

its not just rioters tho the law needs to be changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well at least there will be an extra 10,000 police officers on the streets of London tonight, and all leave has been cancelled..

Where are these 10,000 coming from? and will it make other area's more vulnerable?

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

The PM's response was.........

UTTERLY USELESS.

I bet the rioters are quaking in their boots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well at least there will be an extra 10,000 police officers on the streets of London tonight, and all leave has been cancelled..

Where are these 10,000 coming from? and will it make other area's more vulnerable?"

they have asked for as many specials that can to come in

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

over 30,000 police on duty for the Royal Wedding, but only 1,700 for the riots... go figure!!!

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

All leave has been cancelled, and they are bringing officers from other areas.

Great, is it a case, of making sure London is ok, sod the rest of the country?

They are going to arrest more people, great, where are they going to put them, cells are already full in London, and in Birmingham?

Again, no solid answers, avoidance of the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

now we`ve got another 10,000 police heading out im hoping they wont be so stand-off`ish. clips im seeing show officers tooled right up. shields and batons yet their standing off within metres of these lil shits.

rush in batons blazing and bang some fcuking heads!!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

The poor specials that don't have public order training!

what can they do?

Thats just putting people in the line of fire

Im surprised no-one was killed last night,that luck can't go on forever if this does continue tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"over 30,000 police on duty for the Royal Wedding, but only 1,700 for the riots... go figure!!!"

if the circumstances weren't so tragic id almost say it was laughable just how bad the government/police have got it wrong

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

a young teenage hooded&masked black kid was asked about the riot on tv and said there are younger kids than me out there!,they are very angry about the way they are being treated!,WHY?,do they get too much homework?,is it the school diners they are angry about?,FFS they have nice trainers,mckenzie hooded tops,watches,mobile phones,flat screen tv in bedrooom,pc and x-box!,so what are they so angry about!.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

"a young teenage hooded&masked black kid was asked about the riot on tv and said there are younger kids than me out there!,they are very angry about the way they are being treated!,WHY?,do they get too much homework?,is it the school diners they are angry about?,FFS they have nice trainers,mckenzie hooded tops,watches,mobile phones,flat screen tv in bedrooom,pc and x-box!,so what are they so angry about!."

Yip if they want to know what it's like to have f**K all, send them to drought riden East Africa and they will soon learn how much they have actually got

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because no one understand them, because they didnt have a green field to play in, or a cow to pat, or mom didnt do their chips the way they like them.because their drugs have gone up in price and the copper threw away their tinnies while they were stood on the corner annoying the residents...because because because.....

end of the day...

sad pathetic assholes

really really hope mommys proud

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"The PM's response was.........

UTTERLY USELESS.

I bet the rioters are quaking in their boots.

lol dithering dave certainly is no winston churchill he is misjudging this potential to escalate,there is already talk of vigilante groups forming to protect themselves...if they do you will see real jungle law happen.

pitifully inadequate response and where is the opposition support for the government come on milliband get your feet wet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The poor specials that don't have public order training!

what can they do?

Thats just putting people in the line of fire

Im surprised no-one was killed last night,that luck can't go on forever if this does continue tonight"

they could be dealing with other stuff though maybe

dealing with calls from folks or the paper work back at the station to free up those officers that have got the training maybe

my sister was a special for many years and she had had riot training, she was also a trainer for the police in un-armed combat

although i have to admit it would of been funny to of seen her in a riot situation she is only 4ft 11" they would of thought their luck was in when they saw her coming toward them but trust me once she got to um they would of thought twice, could be a vicious bugger when she wanted, i have the scars to prove it

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I am glad I am not the only one who was underwhelmed by what cameron said, 16000 police on the street tonight... will it be mainly made up by specials??? how many of those extra people have been riot trained???

parliament to be recalled back thursday... to do what exactly.. whaffle on for an afternoon!!!

so basically.. no curfew... no army back up, no water cannon, no rubber bullets....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

surely france have a few water cannons.. they like using them!!!... just get them up and thru the tunnel!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The PM's response was.........

UTTERLY USELESS.

I bet the rioters are quaking in their boots.

pitifully inadequate response and where is the opposition support for the government come on milliband get your feet wet."

If it were my buisness and livelyhood, i would be ready with a baseball bat and god help the marauders and looters.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"I am glad I am not the only one who was underwhelmed by what cameron said, 16000 police on the street tonight... will it be mainly made up by specials??? how many of those extra people have been riot trained???

parliament to be recalled back thursday... to do what exactly.. whaffle on for an afternoon!!!

so basically.. no curfew... no army back up, no water cannon, no rubber bullets....

no vision ,no ideas ,out of touch with the true situation.

i now feel really let down by the political classes,do they really give a fuck about the people of this country.

give us real decisive leadership and we will support you (that was a cross party statement from me !!)

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"surely france have a few water cannons.. they like using them!!!... just get them up and thru the tunnel!!!"

I would stand up and applaud that sort of retaliation

There is nothing that Cameron said thats going to instill any sort of fear into anyone thats thinking of going out again tonight to carry on where they left off last night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

better keep their kids in tonight. gonna be some skulls getting cracked

hearing the PM and the commish talk tho just gives the sense theyre soft. we need persons with iron in their guts in these roles/situations. people that can talk and instill that same iron in the people below them on the frontline

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

parliament to be recalled back thursday... to do what exactly.. whaffle on for an afternoon!!!

so basically.. no curfew... no army back up, no water cannon, no rubber bullets....

no vision ,no ideas ,out of touch with the true situation.

i now feel really let down by the political classes,do they really give a fuck about the people of this country.

give us real decisive leadership and we will support you (that was a cross party statement from me !!)

I ain`t gona make it a political mud fest....

Inept and ineffectual leadership..

And a total absense of the Opposition calling the Government to account...

I repeat we deserve better...

Mayhaps some of the young uns feel the same way...that in no way excuses their behaviour..

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

Ive just watched a clip on you-tube, of a women who lived above a carpet shop and her and her neighbours had to flee when the place was set alight, its heart breaking to watch. They have lost everything, and where are these looters and rioters now, in they pits getting well rested for another night. Makes me wonder if it was where these so called poilticians lived, would they be taking a more direct approach, instead on twiddling thier thumbs.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

If it were my buisness and livelyhood, i would be ready with a baseball bat and god help the marauders and looters.

actually.. the kurds and turks were out and basically saved dalston from the looters last night.... the asians did the same in southall and in parts of the east end (bow and forest gate), and actually turned away police help so they could help elsewhere

so there was some community spirit that was happening

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By *ickens CiderMan
over a year ago

taunton

I bet the the bloody benefits office is still intact... they'll guard that building quite happily so they can still all sign on later in the week... perhaps the Police should trash it... that'll give the arseholes something to ponder... might stop them then?

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"I bet the the bloody benefits office is still intact... they'll guard that building quite happily so they can still all sign on later in the week... perhaps the Police should trash it... that'll give the arseholes something to ponder... might stop them then?

lmao @ police trashing benefit office

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Thank you Wishy..spot on analysis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody good idea.

I would go one further, those arrested should have all monies stopped, money can be used to re build a little of what they have ruined

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

If it were my buisness and livelyhood, i would be ready with a baseball bat and god help the marauders and looters.

so there was some community spirit that was happening

Thats something that has to be admired, and something I am not surprised happened.

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

but dont forget that if you apprehend the "alleged" looters you will be liable to police arresting you!,i apprehended 2 young louts breaking into my car and frog marched them to cleethorpes police station,well one actually got away so i only deliverd the one.

the copper in charge told me to unhand the kid at once!,told me i was liable for manhandling the yob!,geez!,later i had the kids dad come round shouting the odds at me on the doorstep!,i invited him in to talk about it and he clammed right up when he saw a copper sat there taking my statement!.

just be aware!.

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By *ickens CiderMan
over a year ago

taunton

Bloody good idea.

I would go one further, those arrested should have all monies stopped, money can be used to re build a little of what they have ruined

Then some prick in westminster will start supporting them saying some tosh about EU human rights and the race card will be flashed about too... we'll set aside millions to rebuild whats been lost...

and you know what... if I was a business thats lost good and had property damaged... I'd piss off out of the area and never go back... build like a massive wall around and leave the buggers inside... sling your half eaten take away over the wall once in a while... and then maybe have a peep over the top in 20 years to see if they've calm down...

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

WANT TO SAY HOW PROUD I FEEL OF ALL THE LONDONERS WHO ARE OUT THERE THIS MORNING CLEARING UP AFTER THESE IDIOTS ......PUTTING LONDON BACK TOGETHER ........THIS IS THE THING DECENT COMMUNITY MINDED PEOPLE DO PULL TOGETHER!!!! JUST AS IN THE DAYS OF THE BLITZ THE BAD GUYS WON'T WIN!.......AND MET POLICE FIRE SERVICES AND OTHERS ON THE FRONT LINE WE SALUTE YOUR BRAVERY!.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WANT TO SAY HOW PROUD I FEEL OF ALL THE LONDONERS WHO ARE OUT THERE THIS MORNING CLEARING UP AFTER THESE IDIOTS ......PUTTING LONDON BACK TOGETHER ........THIS IS THE THING DECENT COMMUNITY MINDED PEOPLE DO PULL TOGETHER!!!! JUST AS IN THE DAYS OF THE BLITZ THE BAD GUYS WON'T WIN!.......AND MET POLICE FIRE SERVICES AND OTHERS ON THE FRONT LINE WE SALUTE YOUR BRAVERY!.......

nice post, totally agree

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

If it were my buisness and livelyhood, i would be ready with a baseball bat and god help the marauders and looters.

so there was some community spirit that was happening

Thats something that has to be admired, and something I am not surprised happened."

As I mentioned elsewhere this morning, in Birmingham, community Traders associations banded together to protect their businesses.

Where I currently live, if any scum-bag tried to get into my property, a MagLite 4 Cell torch will be ready to administer effective justice!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to live in Toxteth. I felt safer there at night than in some of the wealthier suberbs of Liverpool!

Bring on the rubber bullets and water cannon and more horses. Tough luck if the little robbing twats get hurt.

Funny how all the hoodies seem to have brown faces/hands etc

That last sentence is inapprpriate.

Why is it inappropriate if it's true? I've seen quite a few videos and pics, and have to say, I think they'll end up as recruiting material for the BNP and EDL.

Since the EDL claim to be anti racist if there's any uptake in membership it's likely to be from the kids rioting on our streets who might be attracted to the EDLs previous form with 'rumbles'

It's time now to impose curfews and employ water cannons to the streets to maintain order."

Well said!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think Dale Winton and Supermarket Sweep are to blame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

u wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanistan and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it were my buisness and livelyhood, i would be ready with a baseball bat and god help the marauders and looters.

so there was some community spirit that was happening

Thats something that has to be admired, and something I am not surprised happened.

As I mentioned elsewhere this morning, in Birmingham, community Traders associations banded together to protect their businesses.

Where I currently live, if any scum-bag tried to get into my property, a MagLite 4 Cell torch will be ready to administer effective justice!"

You're going to dazzle them into submission?

Let that be a lesson to the bad guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"u wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanistan and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space.

Yeah, but don't the people you mention get paid a wage to do that job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've heard on a radio show that many shop-owners/householders are arming themselves with balloons filled with bleach. Not only does it "mark" the thugs for later identification, it can cause burning of the eyes etc which would put off any would-be looter. Aaparently thick bleach is the best, and the city Tesco's has now sold out!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Where I currently live, if any scum-bag tried to get into my property, a MagLite 4 Cell torch will be ready to administer effective justice!

You're going to dazzle them into submission?

Let that be a lesson to the bad guys."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've heard on a radio show that many shop-owners/householders are arming themselves with balloons filled with bleach. Not only does it "mark" the thugs for later identification, it can cause burning of the eyes etc which would put off any would-be looter. Aaparently thick bleach is the best, and the city Tesco's has now sold out!"
they be thugs themselves then

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

And now news that the 26 yr old that was shot last night in Croyden has died

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just posting in response to *hants2some* and *_icelymarked* believing it's only black people involved, take a look at this real-life Katherine Tate caricature on Twitter: @itsBARBZbabes

She's been boasting about her efforts:

"wat ev,, it was free ennit,, didnt get caught so"

Her Twitter page is being overwhelmed at the moment as tons of people take the opportunity to tell her what a complete tw*t she is.

Screen shot here: http://yfrog.com/h4px8dwj

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just posting in response to *hants2some* and *_icelymarked* believing it's only black people involved, take a look at this real-life Katherine Tate caricature on Twitter: @itsBARBZbabes

She's been boasting about her efforts:

"wat ev,, it was free ennit,, didnt get caught so"

Her Twitter page is being overwhelmed at the moment as tons of people take the opportunity to tell her what a complete tw*t she is.

Screen shot here: http://yfrog.com/h4px8dwj"

No, I didn't say I thought it was only black people involved, I was merely commenting on the previous poster who had said that was what they had SEEN.

If there is a race/colour/creed/religious involvement, it shouldn't be skirted around and should be addressed, but as usual, fuckwits will say that it's racist, no matter what.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I think its finally time that these lawless shadowy thugs realise that if you push against society and keep poking the bear it will eventually turn around and bite you.

I think its time society toughened up big style to preserve law and order."

tend to agree, there is a piece in the Guardian (not sure if its online) where a Police 'crew' were in A&E waiting for 2 of their guys who had been injured and whilst there were filling out reports which says that they 'may have used force'!!!

How have we got to something like that, oh yes that will be the wooly liberals who have tied their hands behind their backs.

And yes i understand that there should be accountability etc, but FFS during an evening when its all gone rat shit!!

Fuck reading the riot act, just put a message on the 'social' networks(an oxymoron surely) then knock the living daylights out of anyone who kicks off..

Let the old bill give some back...

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

maybe you should get an education...... the riot act ceased to exist in 1973.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An act that also at one time included the death penalty

Now we really have sod all

The Public Order Act 1986 abolished the common law offences of riot and introduced the statutory offence of riot.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I just went to go shopping and have been told by the police to stay home, the whole main road at the top of my road has been closed, another mc Donalds smashed, mobile phone shops smashed and robbed, cant hear fuck all for the sound of sirens , its pretty fucking scary here

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well now that boris has spoken... i think i am more frustrated than i was when i started..... and he was rightly heckled

i am absolutely convinced this will kick off again tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just went to go shopping and have been told by the police to stay home, the whole main road at the top of my road has been closed, another mc Donalds smashed, mobile phone shops smashed and robbed, cant hear fuck all for the sound of sirens , its pretty fucking scary here

awww hunny bless ya

hope it stays calm tonight for you

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

awww hunny bless ya

hope it stays calm tonight for you

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Thanks darlin, but it aint even night time yet, i hope it calms down by then, judging by the amount of gangs on the streets, i doubt it

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By *itianmandyWoman
over a year ago

london

"If there is a race/colour/creed/religious involvement, it shouldn't be skirted around and should be addressed, but as usual, fuckwits will say that it's racist, no matter what."

..and as was said before would you describe the ethnicity of EDL supporters who riot or football hooligans?

I don't think I've ever seen them described as such..maybe the fuckwits are the ones who only see the colour of someone's skin when it's something they can make political capitol out of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

has anyone heard of it 'going off' in manchester ?

i work on the edge of the city centre and am hearing a lot of sirens at the mo !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is a load of tosh!

Don't try and justify them. They are criminals...pure and simple.

You'll notice a lot of Turkish Muslims defending their streets against the rioters. They are likely 1st generation immigrants.

The majority of rioters are not immigrants, some of them might be the sons or daughters of immigrants, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of them are clearly home grown types.

i.e. chavs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"has anyone heard of it 'going off' in manchester ?

i work on the edge of the city centre and am hearing a lot of sirens at the mo !"

not so far

i have sky news on but not heard anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The kids on the streets don't look like Poles, Ukranians etc.. they look like our very own homegrown lowlife underclass scumbags. These will be the kids who usually nick your hubcaps and leave syringes outside school gates. The same lowlife ameobas who'll break into your house to rob you while you sleep to feed some drug habit in the splendour of their filthy bedsits.

Exactly.

The BBC and the Guardian has completely lost the plot on this one. There's such a mismatch between the videos and their reporting it's amazing.

The BBC even referred to them as 'protesters' at one point. wtf?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thing is....

Every dick head from here to john o groats are watching the media reports, looting and general mayhem and now thinking..lets go and do it, i need some new trainers or a new iphone etc...

Its gonna be happening all over if summats not done now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thing is....

Every dick head from here to john o groats are watching the media reports, looting and general mayhem and now thinking..lets go and do it, i need some new trainers or a new iphone etc...

Its gonna be happening all over if summats not done now

I can't see too much looting in John O'Groats

The black market for shortbread in tartan tins and wee fluffy toys with ginger beards and bagpipes ain't that lucrative !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never say never

besides, i likes shortbread

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

if you want a brilliant view of what londoners think.. listen to drivetime with eddie nestor on BBC radio london via the iplayer at them moment.... it is fascinating listening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thing is....

Every dick head from here to john o groats are watching the media reports, looting and general mayhem and now thinking..lets go and do it, i need some new trainers or a new iphone etc...

Its gonna be happening all over if summats not done now

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doubt it, it wont happen tonight they be running scared with the extra officers

its just a shame that it took them 3 nights 2 respond

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