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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it would take 35 hours to find a job if you're not fussy.

That would be roughly equivalent to 20-40 different non copy and paste applications not including any interviews etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Benefits are meant to be for support while they try to get a job, not instead of getting a job.

Considering all the government is doing to push peolle into slave labour jobs, i'd consider it a very real threat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me"

Yep the new conditions are crazy

So to evidence that they want to see one calls ..letters posted. ..pages viewed on net ... bonkers

I read their suggestion in work just before it was rolled out . .it was a rota similat to this ...

9am tea

9.15am open emails

9.45am log into indeed etc etc etc

11am have a break

Madness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Benefits are meant to be for support while they try to get a job, not instead of getting a job.

Considering all the government is doing to push peolle into slave labour jobs, i'd consider it a very real threat."

Would you prefer people to live off benefits rather thank work in 'slave labour' jobs?

A job's a job, if it pays the bills and that's all you can get in your position, apply for it.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's heavily enforced I have read and sanctions are often applied unfairly - leaving families without money to live on. It's a disgraceful dismantling of our safety net system.

Ensure the keeps records of what she is doing as they will check.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me"

Depending on which benefits she is on then yes it is enforced and you can be sanctioned if you cannot prove that you have been actively job searching.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is it just me or is it excessive, I mean I could understand if it were a single person who was religious about not working, but a girl who's kid has just turned 5? It's like a trip wire

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me

Depending on which benefits she is on then yes it is enforced and you can be sanctioned if you cannot prove that you have been actively job searching. "

So it should be.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me"

Make sure she signs up for Universal Job Match and logs on daily. This is DWP's job search engine and is one way of demonstrating that you're actively looking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jobseeker's Allowance is basically your wage for finding a job. I got my allowance cancelled because they wasn't convinced I was looking for a job. Ironically I got a job the next day

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

35 hours job search is ridiculous.. i mean doing that it's almost impossible to fit some snidey work in on the side..

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me

Depending on which benefits she is on then yes it is enforced and you can be sanctioned if you cannot prove that you have been actively job searching.

So it should be."

And for those people who are job ready I'd agree but as someone who works in the sector with a huge number of people who are not job ready because of ill health, poor mental health, inadequate basic skills, then sanctions are not the answer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Benefits are meant to be for support while they try to get a job, not instead of getting a job.

Considering all the government is doing to push peolle into slave labour jobs, i'd consider it a very real threat.

Would you prefer people to live off benefits rather thank work in 'slave labour' jobs?

A job's a job, if it pays the bills and that's all you can get in your position, apply for it."

I would prefer that booby trap rules weren't introduced to trip people up so that the loose their only means of feeding themselves, I remember before her little one turned 5, she was buzzing at the prospect of going to work, now she's just stressed out about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can be a pain in the arse for employers too. We advertise on Indeed and say out of 15 people who show interest/apply for a position, only 3 will actually turn up for an interview.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"35 hours job search is ridiculous.. i mean doing that it's almost impossible to fit some snidey work in on the side.. "

Lol yeah, like a couple of hours in a cafe, or cleaning your own house, looking after your own kids or sleeping

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can be very stressful, especially for people who don't have a pc at home. You can only have a library (with a charge) or job centre pc for an hour at a time, and job centres are closing. If you can sit at a pc for 7 hours a day you will struggle to find actual vacancies on the Universal job match site, as 75% of them are agencies and a lot are either no longer available or a means to getting you to sign up with them, where they can spam you with irrelevant vacancies and repetitive advertisements. Then they sell your details to other agencies who do the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can be a pain in the arse for employers too. We advertise on Indeed and say out of 15 people who show interest/apply for a position, only 3 will actually turn up for an interview.

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They could have received an offer from another employer by that time.

I turned down a job because they responded a week after I had one secured.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It can be very stressful, especially for people who don't have a pc at home. You can only have a library (with a charge) or job centre pc for an hour at a time, and job centres are closing. If you can sit at a pc for 7 hours a day you will struggle to find actual vacancies on the Universal job match site, as 75% of them are agencies and a lot are either no longer available or a means to getting you to sign up with them, where they can spam you with irrelevant vacancies and repetitive advertisements. Then they sell your details to other agencies who do the same. "

Surely they will take into account that she doesn't have a computer of her own? Our local library is only open 3 days a week, this is getting worse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Benefits are meant to be for support while they try to get a job, not instead of getting a job.

Considering all the government is doing to push peolle into slave labour jobs, i'd consider it a very real threat.

Would you prefer people to live off benefits rather thank work in 'slave labour' jobs?

A job's a job, if it pays the bills and that's all you can get in your position, apply for it."

But if it doesn't pay the bills? Many jobs out there don't.

And in work benefits are being whittled away.

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By *ove bi guysWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

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Yup

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me

Depending on which benefits she is on then yes it is enforced and you can be sanctioned if you cannot prove that you have been actively job searching.

So it should be.

And for those people who are job ready I'd agree but as someone who works in the sector with a huge number of people who are not job ready because of ill health, poor mental health, inadequate basic skills, then sanctions are not the answer. "

Correct me if I am wrong, as I have been lucky enough to have never been in this position ( thankfully), but if your claiming jobseekers allowance, then are you not by claiming such allowance stating that you are able to work , if so why does the amount of time you spend looking for a job not be the same....you cant say you cant spend say 35 hours at work doing a job, but unable to spend said same time looking for one too?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money."

Bit of a blinkered view there if you ask me

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money."

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me

Yep the new conditions are crazy

So to evidence that they want to see one calls ..letters posted. ..pages viewed on net ... bonkers

I read their suggestion in work just before it was rolled out . .it was a rota similat to this ...

9am tea

9.15am open emails

9.45am log into indeed etc etc etc

11am have a break

Madness"

So basicsly theyre trying to get people into the routine of a regular 35 hour working week.

Seems pretty sensible

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yep, I know people who have been sanctioned for not meeting the job application quota for the week.

One is a friend with cancer, living in a rural location where only a handful of jobs are advertised weekly. She was sanctioned for not increasing her search criteria to a much wider area the first time. The second time for failing to show searches for three days. She was in hospital for two of them.

The effect has been that she has taken herself out of the system for JSA, is borrowing to live on and waiting to be a little sicker to try and claim ESA again. She wants to work while she can so volunteers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Benefits are meant to be for support while they try to get a job, not instead of getting a job.

Considering all the government is doing to push peolle into slave labour jobs, i'd consider it a very real threat.

Would you prefer people to live off benefits rather thank work in 'slave labour' jobs?

A job's a job, if it pays the bills and that's all you can get in your position, apply for it."

Surely better to have a crappy job and claim working families tax credit to top it up than be on job seekers

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me

Depending on which benefits she is on then yes it is enforced and you can be sanctioned if you cannot prove that you have been actively job searching.

So it should be.

And for those people who are job ready I'd agree but as someone who works in the sector with a huge number of people who are not job ready because of ill health, poor mental health, inadequate basic skills, then sanctions are not the answer.

Correct me if I am wrong, as I have been lucky enough to have never been in this position ( thankfully), but if your claiming jobseekers allowance, then are you not by claiming such allowance stating that you are able to work , if so why does the amount of time you spend looking for a job not be the same....you cant say you cant spend say 35 hours at work doing a job, but unable to spend said same time looking for one too?"

In this case, she is looking for around 20 hrs a week, because that's what she is easily able to work around her kids, so is it for she has to do an extra 15 hours more than she would working?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can be a pain in the arse for employers too. We advertise on Indeed and say out of 15 people who show interest/apply for a position, only 3 will actually turn up for an interview.

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Which area of employment are you?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money."

I hope you never find yourself having to experience the system.

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By *TheBoneMan
over a year ago

Bury, Lancashire

35 hours is that all ?

like the rest of us she will have to find more hours than that if she ever gets a job other than at macdomalds

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"35 hours is that all ?

like the rest of us she will have to find more hours than that if she ever gets a job other than at macdomalds"

I take it you're not an English teacher

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills."

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job. "

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job. "

And what about those who have very little in the way of skills? Like those who although not deemed to have learning difficulties, struggle with computers or interacting with people? Still as long as you don't have to pay for them let em starve eh

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing? "

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money."

Let us hope that you dont find yourself eating those words one day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing? "

Look, there are loads of jobs available that doesn't need skill at all, I used to handout newspaper near tube stations just to cover my bills and that job doesn't required any skill other than arm. again as I said before, if the individual really want to get a job he/she will find one, there are million jobs to do. If you physically not able to do then you deserve help from gov.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?"

Basic stuff that's free, that a school leaver with below grade c would top.

Or outdated programs most employers have moved on from. They do what their budget allows. Remember, people with children have to find childcare or stick to jobs in schools.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?"

I know you can't go to college or anything because you have to sign off, it's a shame because she probably do well doing a vocational training course of some kind

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

Basic stuff that's free, that a school leaver with below grade c would top.

Or outdated programs most employers have moved on from. They do what their budget allows. Remember, people with children have to find childcare or stick to jobs in schools. "

Don't they pay towards child care?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

"

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

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By *ove bi guysWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

I know you can't go to college or anything because you have to sign off, it's a shame because she probably do well doing a vocational training course of some kind"

There are course available and certain courses you can remain on benefits depending on hrs ...which would then reduce the hrs she needs to look for work.

Is she on UC or JSA ?

Ultimately if you are not sick and out of work you need to show you are actively looking for work and with a school age child/children you can be asked to work full time or near as damn it .... they even pay childcare for goodness sake

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

Basic stuff that's free, that a school leaver with below grade c would top.

Or outdated programs most employers have moved on from. They do what their budget allows. Remember, people with children have to find childcare or stick to jobs in schools. "

I recall when I lived in Miltpn Keynes back in 2009 a work colleagues daughter met up with another unemployed single mother and between them they lpoked after eachothers children, that way they could both go on courses on different days , whilst one looked after the four children whilst one was on a course/evening class...then they swapped when it was the others night....just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

Basic stuff that's free, that a school leaver with below grade c would top.

Or outdated programs most employers have moved on from. They do what their budget allows. Remember, people with children have to find childcare or stick to jobs in schools.

Don't they pay towards child care?"

A limited amount and for certain things. I can't remember how much and what but my daughter wouldn't have been able to pay the remainder. Luckily she has me for now. School holidays would mean paying for whole day clubs or child minders.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

Basic stuff that's free, that a school leaver with below grade c would top.

Or outdated programs most employers have moved on from. They do what their budget allows. Remember, people with children have to find childcare or stick to jobs in schools.

I recall when I lived in Miltpn Keynes back in 2009 a work colleagues daughter met up with another unemployed single mother and between them they lpoked after eachothers children, that way they could both go on courses on different days , whilst one looked after the four children whilst one was on a course/evening class...then they swapped when it was the others night....just a thought."

Milton Keynes.......looked...was meant to type

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically. "

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ... "

You said construction. There will be some women who can do construction work and some who can't. Without knowing your employees circumstances I can't comment on the rest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

Basic stuff that's free, that a school leaver with below grade c would top.

Or outdated programs most employers have moved on from. They do what their budget allows. Remember, people with children have to find childcare or stick to jobs in schools.

I recall when I lived in Miltpn Keynes back in 2009 a work colleagues daughter met up with another unemployed single mother and between them they lpoked after eachothers children, that way they could both go on courses on different days , whilst one looked after the four children whilst one was on a course/evening class...then they swapped when it was the others night....just a thought."

This is what I am exactly I am talking about, if the individual want to achieve something the will find a way to achieve that. WILLINGNESS

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ... "

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I know from watching my son looking for work, it can get very difficult. Yes you can look for jobs for hours each day, but there's also an expectation to apply for X number of jobs every day. If you have no skills or experience where on earth do you find 20 jobs every day to apply for... Sure The first you might find 20, but there will not be 20 new ones every day. Then you get sanctioned. Which means that you then get NO money at all, you can't pay your bills, you can't buy food, you might even get evicted.

Then, there's Agency work. The number of time my lad got sent home because there was no work for him today, turned up for a 6am start to be told we only need half of you today. They could give random days, but never enough to make a living... Completely soul destroying . There were event jobs where he had to buy PPE, which he used once, and then never saw again... because he never went back to THAT job.

Cal

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step"

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I know from watching my son looking for work, it can get very difficult. Yes you can look for jobs for hours each day, but there's also an expectation to apply for X number of jobs every day. If you have no skills or experience where on earth do you find 20 jobs every day to apply for... Sure The first you might find 20, but there will not be 20 new ones every day. Then you get sanctioned. Which means that you then get NO money at all, you can't pay your bills, you can't buy food, you might even get evicted.

Then, there's Agency work. The number of time my lad got sent home because there was no work for him today, turned up for a 6am start to be told we only need half of you today. They could give random days, but never enough to make a living... Completely soul destroying . There were event jobs where he had to buy PPE, which he used once, and then never saw again... because he never went back to THAT job.

Cal"

Jesus that's awful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know from watching my son looking for work, it can get very difficult. Yes you can look for jobs for hours each day, but there's also an expectation to apply for X number of jobs every day. If you have no skills or experience where on earth do you find 20 jobs every day to apply for... Sure The first you might find 20, but there will not be 20 new ones every day. Then you get sanctioned. Which means that you then get NO money at all, you can't pay your bills, you can't buy food, you might even get evicted.

Then, there's Agency work. The number of time my lad got sent home because there was no work for him today, turned up for a 6am start to be told we only need half of you today. They could give random days, but never enough to make a living... Completely soul destroying . There were event jobs where he had to buy PPE, which he used once, and then never saw again... because he never went back to THAT job.

Cal"

If he is young enough . Under 25 can still get aprentaship ...

and should complain to agency it is illegal to charge for PPE

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

"

My children were 5 and 9

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

"

Got to be a ball ache though when the child minder rates are more than yours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

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By *uteLittleGeekWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me"

It is Not harsh At all . Searching for a job has become a full time job itself . Why not ? If someone really want to work they will put even more hours in finding a job . I am

Single mum too and I work full time and never been on benefits and never will . She can do it if she really wants to work .

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By *uteLittleGeekWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?"

If you can work then Working Tax Credits should leave you the same or better off under UTC. The problem is being sanctioned when you are looking for work.

In work benefits and benefits for older people are much greater bill than unemployment benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?"

They split up and he was doing all he could, but he died a year after they split

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

If he is young enough . Under 25 can still get aprentaship ...

and should complain to agency it is illegal to charge for PPE "

Luckily he is now working full time. But agencies are a rule unto themselves, if you object to their abuse of the rules then they'll never give you any more work. They are supposed to pay half a days wages if they send you away on arrival, but that never happened either.

An apprenticeship would have been good for him, but as a young lad with mild learning difficulties, poor literacy skills and no practical skills, he didn't meet their minimum standards. If I couldn't have funded him, he would have been living on the street (like so many others).

Cal

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM "

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

They split up and he was doing all he could, but he died a year after they split"

Can I ask why it is hard to job search 35 hours per week for her, as you say spread over a week it is easy to find that time......lots of us work full time and have to do housework, shop etc...how do we manage.....cant say 5 hours a day to look for work is not achievable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM "

Unfortunately life doesn't always work out as you planned, my friend in my earlier example had a partner a mortgage and two incomes when she first became pregnant, then during her second pregnancy her partner left her for another woman and sold the house putting her in social accommodation. I'm sure she saw her life panning out a different way and now in her mind she is providing for her family the best way she can, it might be the wrong way to go about it, and I'd rather bring my children up with a stronger work ethic, but you can see the logic prompting her to take the path she has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?"

Father? Why? If they decided to be single why bother father... I know what you all going to say, father has half responsibility to that kid, if we say so then why there isn't any say for a men when a women decide to abort a baby. Women who decides to have a baby, so you are on your own single ladies don't bother the father.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If he is young enough . Under 25 can still get aprentaship ...

and should complain to agency it is illegal to charge for PPE

Luckily he is now working full time. But agencies are a rule unto themselves, if you object to their abuse of the rules then they'll never give you any more work. They are supposed to pay half a days wages if they send you away on arrival, but that never happened either.

An apprenticeship would have been good for him, but as a young lad with mild learning difficulties, poor literacy skills and no practical skills, he didn't meet their minimum standards. If I couldn't have funded him, he would have been living on the street (like so many others).

Cal"

Fair play agencies can be twats to work for ..

best way into an aprentaship is by finding a tradesman to take you on then send you to college and not through a college/ skill centre..

And learning problems army a problem on site, I couldn't Evan read or Wright properly until about 5 years ago and I've been a site manager for 15 ... ?? Looking over my text here not sure I can read and Wright properly still ????????

But good luck to your lad hope he dose well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

"

How much of your wages went on child care? How much was paid for by the Government? Did you get working tax credits and housing benefits?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

Unfortunately life doesn't always work out as you planned, my friend in my earlier example had a partner a mortgage and two incomes when she first became pregnant, then during her second pregnancy her partner left her for another woman and sold the house putting her in social accommodation. I'm sure she saw her life panning out a different way and now in her mind she is providing for her family the best way she can, it might be the wrong way to go about it, and I'd rather bring my children up with a stronger work ethic, but you can see the logic prompting her to take the path she has."

Ok not every case is the same ,, but generally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If he is young enough . Under 25 can still get aprentaship ...

and should complain to agency it is illegal to charge for PPE

Luckily he is now working full time. But agencies are a rule unto themselves, if you object to their abuse of the rules then they'll never give you any more work. They are supposed to pay half a days wages if they send you away on arrival, but that never happened either.

An apprenticeship would have been good for him, but as a young lad with mild learning difficulties, poor literacy skills and no practical skills, he didn't meet their minimum standards. If I couldn't have funded him, he would have been living on the street (like so many others).

Cal

Fair play agencies can be twats to work for ..

best way into an aprentaship is by finding a tradesman to take you on then send you to college and not through a college/ skill centre..

And learning problems army a problem on site, I couldn't Evan read or Wright properly until about 5 years ago and I've been a site manager for 15 ... ?? Looking over my text here not sure I can read and Wright properly still ????????

But good luck to your lad hope he dose well"

You have good managerial skills. My ex left school with no qualifications and worked his way up in the painting and decorating trade. Not a qualification to his name and now earns a lot of money running big sites and going to meetings to negotiate prices with large contractors. I do all his admin, because he can't do it. That doesn't mean to say everyone can do what he does.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

How much of your wages went on child care? How much was paid for by the Government? Did you get working tax credits and housing benefits? "

I was only entitled to single parent allowance ..£6.00 per week....it was all I was entitled too......was a struggle....but I managed.......

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

How much of your wages went on child care? How much was paid for by the Government? Did you get working tax credits and housing benefits?

I was only entitled to single parent allowance ..£6.00 per week....it was all I was entitled too......was a struggle....but I managed.......

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My youngest is 27 now...it was a long while ago

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

Unfortunately life doesn't always work out as you planned, my friend in my earlier example had a partner a mortgage and two incomes when she first became pregnant, then during her second pregnancy her partner left her for another woman and sold the house putting her in social accommodation. I'm sure she saw her life panning out a different way and now in her mind she is providing for her family the best way she can, it might be the wrong way to go about it, and I'd rather bring my children up with a stronger work ethic, but you can see the logic prompting her to take the path she has.

Ok not every case is the same ,, but generally "

That's just it, there isn't a generally. Everyone's unique circumstances tells its own story. They then get treated with a one-size to fit all solution.

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over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

Unfortunately life doesn't always work out as you planned, my friend in my earlier example had a partner a mortgage and two incomes when she first became pregnant, then during her second pregnancy her partner left her for another woman and sold the house putting her in social accommodation. I'm sure she saw her life panning out a different way and now in her mind she is providing for her family the best way she can, it might be the wrong way to go about it, and I'd rather bring my children up with a stronger work ethic, but you can see the logic prompting her to take the path she has.

Ok not every case is the same ,, but generally "

No, and that's why it's best not to judge. Don't get me wrong the benefits system needs updating as it is massively abused, but I think the benefit of having a parent around is sometimes undervalued in society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

"

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

Unfortunately life doesn't always work out as you planned, my friend in my earlier example had a partner a mortgage and two incomes when she first became pregnant, then during her second pregnancy her partner left her for another woman and sold the house putting her in social accommodation. I'm sure she saw her life panning out a different way and now in her mind she is providing for her family the best way she can, it might be the wrong way to go about it, and I'd rather bring my children up with a stronger work ethic, but you can see the logic prompting her to take the path she has.

Ok not every case is the same ,, but generally "

You can't generalise anything. People are different in all aspects of their abilities. I found the job search a doddle, when I did it-albeit a while ago when they first rolled out Universal Job match. I liked doing it all on my pc and having a record of everything I did, for myself too. My advisor was shocked when she saw how much I did every week. But, they allowed for mistakes and didn't sanction for not properly itemising everything.

Now, I might struggle to satisfy their criteria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to "

If you ever worked in a Secondary school you would know that to be not true. Although, anyone can sweep a street or clean a toilet I suppose.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to "

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If he is young enough . Under 25 can still get aprentaship ...

and should complain to agency it is illegal to charge for PPE

Luckily he is now working full time. But agencies are a rule unto themselves, if you object to their abuse of the rules then they'll never give you any more work. They are supposed to pay half a days wages if they send you away on arrival, but that never happened either.

An apprenticeship would have been good for him, but as a young lad with mild learning difficulties, poor literacy skills and no practical skills, he didn't meet their minimum standards. If I couldn't have funded him, he would have been living on the street (like so many others).

Cal

Fair play agencies can be twats to work for ..

best way into an aprentaship is by finding a tradesman to take you on then send you to college and not through a college/ skill centre..

And learning problems army a problem on site, I couldn't Evan read or Wright properly until about 5 years ago and I've been a site manager for 15 ... ?? Looking over my text here not sure I can read and Wright properly still ????????

But good luck to your lad hope he dose well

You have good managerial skills. My ex left school with no qualifications and worked his way up in the painting and decorating trade. Not a qualification to his name and now earns a lot of money running big sites and going to meetings to negotiate prices with large contractors. I do all his admin, because he can't do it. That doesn't mean to say everyone can do what he does.

"

Fair play to him I did the same thing .. now run multi million pound housing developments, building social housing.. and have met hundreds of family's on benefits over the years and in my experience 70% just don't work because they can't be bothered

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to "

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

But I do think single parents should be granted some leniency on what is expected of them on the job front. The availability of work is very much dependent on the area also.

A friend is a single parent living on benefits to 2 much older children, I don't know what benefits it is she does claim but she is seemingly better off than many families working, why would someone take a reduction in income, a reduction of time with their child for a job on the minimum wage with no prospects?

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

If you ever worked in a Secondary school you would know that to be not true. Although, anyone can sweep a street or clean a toilet I suppose.

"

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

"

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to "

Contrary to common belief, the Lazy Dole Dossers are the exception rather than the norm. Society has been conned by the idea that there are millions willingly sponging off the state any living it large on their £70 per week.

The press make a big deal about benefit fraud like its the financial burden that's bancrupting the country when there are a number of large companies who individually avoid more tax than the whole JSA budget every year.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact "

When they are supposed to be working? I'm in a minority then as I never do when working.

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

The new sanctions are completely insane.

Lets take a look at universal credit, where if you dont sign the contract you can get put on a 12 month sanction... Now one way to look at it, yes it gives them an incentive to sign and commit to getting a job however, take a step back and lets look at the bigger picture here.

Mr.A is mentally ill. To the point doctors, psycologists, his care team all say unsafe in the work place... So he gets put on UC. Now he can't look for work because unsafe. So they put him down the assessment stage... No money until he is assessed, oh this can take up to 6 months or longer not the 3 they say it will.

So he gets to his assessment and the person doing it, isnt a specialist in that particular field and mr.a does a physical assessment rather than mental assessment and hes found fit for work. On the grounds of his UC contract he is now unable to appeal this decision or here comes a 12 month sanction and no money!

So now his doctors and his care team have a patient who is going downhill fast mentally, living on food banks...fucking food banks!!! When did they become acceptable?

Welcome to a tory government and with all those cuts made to the welfare system the national debt has still increased!

Dax

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact "

I could give you a long list of men who spend hours online looking for something to get them hard at their desk, when they should be working.

I wonder if they would get sanctioned a week's pay for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I've said my but I'm off ..

Final thought for you all

Talking of ability, or problems,Evan single parents, saying they can't achieve I invite you to turn your TVs on and rewatch some of the paraathletics going on..and listen to some of the athletes stories..

Proof I think you will all agre that hard work, determination,and belief and some sheer bloody mindedness you can achieve anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The new sanctions are completely insane.

Lets take a look at universal credit, where if you dont sign the contract you can get put on a 12 month sanction... Now one way to look at it, yes it gives them an incentive to sign and commit to getting a job however, take a step back and lets look at the bigger picture here.

Mr.A is mentally ill. To the point doctors, psycologists, his care team all say unsafe in the work place... So he gets put on UC. Now he can't look for work because unsafe. So they put him down the assessment stage... No money until he is assessed, oh this can take up to 6 months or longer not the 3 they say it will.

So he gets to his assessment and the person doing it, isnt a specialist in that particular field and mr.a does a physical assessment rather than mental assessment and hes found fit for work. On the grounds of his UC contract he is now unable to appeal this decision or here comes a 12 month sanction and no money!

So now his doctors and his care team have a patient who is going downhill fast mentally, living on food banks...fucking food banks!!! When did they become acceptable?

Welcome to a tory government and with all those cuts made to the welfare system the national debt has still increased!

Dax"

National debt increasing because, most of the self employed people and big corporate evade tax....

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money."

With that logic are you going to provide jobs for those looking for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact

I could give you a long list of men who spend hours online looking for something to get them hard at their desk, when they should be working.

I wonder if they would get sanctioned a week's pay for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

"

What happen to the page no 6 another long list of women?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact

I could give you a long list of men who spend hours online looking for something to get them hard at their desk, when they should be working.

I wonder if they would get sanctioned a week's pay for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

What happen to the page no 6 another long list of women? "

Women don't ask me for something to wank over as they pretend to work. Can't help you there; maybe look online for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

With that logic are you going to provide jobs for those looking for "

No one knocked my door and handed over a job to me, go hunt yourself. Why do I provide a job for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact

I could give you a long list of men who spend hours online looking for something to get them hard at their desk, when they should be working.

I wonder if they would get sanctioned a week's pay for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

What happen to the page no 6 another long list of women?

Women don't ask me for something to wank over as they pretend to work. Can't help you there; maybe look online for them. "

Haha may be that's because you are not bi...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact

I could give you a long list of men who spend hours online looking for something to get them hard at their desk, when they should be working.

I wonder if they would get sanctioned a week's pay for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

What happen to the page no 6 another long list of women?

Women don't ask me for something to wank over as they pretend to work. Can't help you there; maybe look online for them.

Haha may be that's because you are not bi..."

Or that I am and women don't do as much wanking at work

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth


"Yep, I know people who have been sanctioned for not meeting the job application quota for the week.

One is a friend with cancer, living in a rural location where only a handful of jobs are advertised weekly. She was sanctioned for not increasing her search criteria to a much wider area the first time. The second time for failing to show searches for three days. She was in hospital for two of them.

The effect has been that she has taken herself out of the system for JSA, is borrowing to live on and waiting to be a little sicker to try and claim ESA again. She wants to work while she can so volunteers.

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That is atrocious how do they expect her to live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Because you get the satisfaction of knowing you have earnt what you have..

and sorry but if you can't afford to look after your children DONT HAVE THEM

You know, sometimes they might be there before the bad things in life happen. It's no so easy to send them back where they came from.

As to your exhortation that everyone can get a job if they are willing, I'm afraid it's just not true. Willingness can be there in spades but some just aren't competent. Not everywhere has supported work schemes.

Then there's the issue of being so down with it all it's impossible to summon up the willingness.

I have never claimed any benefit other than SMP (and use of the NHS) but I have enough humanity to see that it's not easy for everyone and enough experience to know that bad things can happen to good people.

As previously said ok I admit not every case is the same and there are some unfortunate exceptions

As for not being competent is that just an excuse for laziness ?? train , study , watch and learn . Everybody can do something if they want to

Not every competence and laziness are not the same thing. Not every employer will put up with poor competency. The jobs available are not the same across the country.

Although, quite a lot of employers seem to put up with laziness given how many post on Fab when at work. It would be a disciplinary if I caught anyone working for doing the same. Then if that leads to a dismissal they won't be eligible for any benefits as they have made themselves workless.

90% of the people in the world that have a mobile device post something on some site or forum. Or social media at least once a day ... fact

I could give you a long list of men who spend hours online looking for something to get them hard at their desk, when they should be working.

I wonder if they would get sanctioned a week's pay for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

What happen to the page no 6 another long list of women?

Women don't ask me for something to wank over as they pretend to work. Can't help you there; maybe look online for them.

Haha may be that's because you are not bi...

Or that I am and women don't do as much wanking at work "

You never know they may be helping someone to wank by sending sexy pictures using company email...

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over a year ago

the lady in question needs to learn how to play the system until she gets a job with the hours etc that suit her as regards her kids schooling .... get her to look at the various claimants forums online to find out how she can up her gamesmanship and get the dole off her back for a while

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over a year ago

It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

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over a year ago


"the lady in question needs to learn how to play the system until she gets a job with the hours etc that suit her as regards her kids schooling .... get her to look at the various claimants forums online to find out how she can up her gamesmanship and get the dole off her back fqor a while"

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

How much of your wages went on child care? How much was paid for by the Government? Did you get working tax credits and housing benefits? "

Lots if my wages went on childcare...nil by the government, no working tax credits and no housing benefit. Mine are now 28yrs and 20yrs old. Being a single parent is bloody hard. Not all single mothers are unable to hold down a career abd bring up kids.

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over a year ago

But I also don't agree with the girls who get pregnant to get more file or who get pregnant knowing they can rely on that system for life that takes the piss and imo a waste of life.

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over a year ago


"But I also don't agree with the girls who get pregnant to get more file or who get pregnant knowing they can rely on that system for life that takes the piss and imo a waste of life."
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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I work in construction and we are screaming for labour all over the country. Everything from carpenters to cleaners, architects to sales staff.. but can't get them for love nor money.. there is a massive labour shortage in this country.... no excuse for able people to be out of work ..

Do you pay the going rate? I think the Government is bringing back apprentice schemes to help in this area. Some companies exploit the cheap labour from abroad and pay what British people can't afford to accept. It wouldn't help a single mother either, realistically.

Yes all are paid a good rate on price.. why wouldn't it help a single mother ? I have single mother cleaners, sales staff, Evan a single mum plumber who is training, and is the single mum thing not just another excuse ?? I no I have at least 4 single dads who have young children in there full time care and work 40-50 hour weeks ...

It's difficult being a single parent, and I have no doubt that you have single dad's working 40-50 hours a week, but how old are their kids? You see its a whole new ball game if you have a say 6 year old, than it is if you have a 14 year old, you can phone a 14 year old to male sure they get home from school and do their homework, even chuck a load of washing in, but when they are younger, you have to be there every step

I worked full time Monday to Friday...my children went to childminders after school and during school holidays...

How much of your wages went on child care? How much was paid for by the Government? Did you get working tax credits and housing benefits?

Lots if my wages went on childcare...nil by the government, no working tax credits and no housing benefit. Mine are now 28yrs and 20yrs old. Being a single parent is bloody hard. Not all single mothers are unable to hold down a career abd bring up kids."

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over a year ago


"The new sanctions are completely insane.

Lets take a look at universal credit, where if you dont sign the contract you can get put on a 12 month sanction... Now one way to look at it, yes it gives them an incentive to sign and commit to getting a job however, take a step back and lets look at the bigger picture here.

Mr.A is mentally ill. To the point doctors, psycologists, his care team all say unsafe in the work place... So he gets put on UC. Now he can't look for work because unsafe. So they put him down the assessment stage... No money until he is assessed, oh this can take up to 6 months or longer not the 3 they say it will.

So he gets to his assessment and the person doing it, isnt a specialist in that particular field and mr.a does a physical assessment rather than mental assessment and hes found fit for work. On the grounds of his UC contract he is now unable to appeal this decision or here comes a 12 month sanction and no money!

So now his doctors and his care team have a patient who is going downhill fast mentally, living on food banks...fucking food banks!!! When did they become acceptable?

Welcome to a tory government and with all those cuts made to the welfare system the national debt has still increased!

Dax

National debt increasing because, most of the self employed people and big corporate evade tax.... "

As someone that runs my own company why should i pay as much tax as you do as an employed person?

I dont get sick pay, holiday pay, any pay bonus, im not entitled to any form of benefits as a company director. If i dont have work i dont have money any neither do my employees. I have to deal with customers on a daily basis doing quotes, ordering materials, and chasing the many late or attempted non paying customers which often leaves you stuck up shit creek. So yes if i can add something on my end of year to reduce my tax i will because its the only way to keep enough money in your pocket to guarantee abit of security in life.

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over a year ago


"The new sanctions are completely insane.

Lets take a look at universal credit, where if you dont sign the contract you can get put on a 12 month sanction... Now one way to look at it, yes it gives them an incentive to sign and commit to getting a job however, take a step back and lets look at the bigger picture here.

Mr.A is mentally ill. To the point doctors, psycologists, his care team all say unsafe in the work place... So he gets put on UC. Now he can't look for work because unsafe. So they put him down the assessment stage... No money until he is assessed, oh this can take up to 6 months or longer not the 3 they say it will.

So he gets to his assessment and the person doing it, isnt a specialist in that particular field and mr.a does a physical assessment rather than mental assessment and hes found fit for work. On the grounds of his UC contract he is now unable to appeal this decision or here comes a 12 month sanction and no money!

So now his doctors and his care team have a patient who is going downhill fast mentally, living on food banks...fucking food banks!!! When did they become acceptable?

Welcome to a tory government and with all those cuts made to the welfare system the national debt has still increased!

Dax

National debt increasing because, most of the self employed people and big corporate evade tax....

As someone that runs my own company why should i pay as much tax as you do as an employed person?

I dont get sick pay, holiday pay, any pay bonus, im not entitled to any form of benefits as a company director. If i dont have work i dont have money any neither do my employees. I have to deal with customers on a daily basis doing quotes, ordering materials, and chasing the many late or attempted non paying customers which often leaves you stuck up shit creek. So yes if i can add something on my end of year to reduce my tax i will because its the only way to keep enough money in your pocket to guarantee abit of security in life. "

And the sanctions are absolute bollocks. My mum works in c.a.b and deals with these people day in and day out and you can be sanctioned for being 5 mins late to an appointment because they then refuse to see you! How does that help someone whos just trying to feed their family and themselves?

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over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?"

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

No 51 - 2013 vw polo & 2015 BMW 1 series

No 75 - 2011 focus, 2007 vw polo & transit custom full of speakers

No 64 - 2016 vauxhall zafira

No 66 - 2014 ford kuga & 2013 BMW x5

No 78- 2003 ford focus.

Listed are the vehicles owned by those living in social housing in a suberb not far outside London. They pay on average £350 per month rental.

Those renting housing privately in the same rd pay £1200+...

I work on average 60 hours per week to pay my mortgage.

I leave before those in the social housing are awake and get home when they are standing outside chatting and smoking (all barring one smoke!)

So why is it I drive a small car, 2007 model with 165000 miles on the clock?

The clue to benefits is in the title, a benefit...

Benefits should be properly means tested cos if you can afford to buy a car that costs as much as a years private rental then you should be in private rental and free the social housing for someone that actually needs it..

And as for being forced into chappy jobs.. Absolutely..

The only way this country will get out of the hole it is in is by massively reducing the money vacuum that is social benefits.

That way, we all benefit and not just those that cannot be arsed to get off theirs and get a job.

.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No 51 - 2013 vw polo & 2015 BMW 1 series

No 75 - 2011 focus, 2007 vw polo & transit custom full of speakers

No 64 - 2016 vauxhall zafira

No 66 - 2014 ford kuga & 2013 BMW x5

No 78- 2003 ford focus.

Listed are the vehicles owned by those living in social housing in a suberb not far outside London. They pay on average £350 per month rental.

Those renting housing privately in the same rd pay £1200+...

I work on average 60 hours per week to pay my mortgage.

I leave before those in the social housing are awake and get home when they are standing outside chatting and smoking (all barring one smoke!)

So why is it I drive a small car, 2007 model with 165000 miles on the clock?

The clue to benefits is in the title, a benefit...

Benefits should be properly means tested cos if you can afford to buy a car that costs as much as a years private rental then you should be in private rental and free the social housing for someone that actually needs it..

And as for being forced into chappy jobs.. Absolutely..

The only way this country will get out of the hole it is in is by massively reducing the money vacuum that is social benefits.

That way, we all benefit and not just those that cannot be arsed to get off theirs and get a job.

.

Rant over...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having children takes planning and security?

Colour me surprised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No 51 - 2013 vw polo & 2015 BMW 1 series

No 75 - 2011 focus, 2007 vw polo & transit custom full of speakers

No 64 - 2016 vauxhall zafira

No 66 - 2014 ford kuga & 2013 BMW x5

No 78- 2003 ford focus.

Listed are the vehicles owned by those living in social housing in a suberb not far outside London. They pay on average £350 per month rental.

Those renting housing privately in the same rd pay £1200+...

I work on average 60 hours per week to pay my mortgage.

I leave before those in the social housing are awake and get home when they are standing outside chatting and smoking (all barring one smoke!)

So why is it I drive a small car, 2007 model with 165000 miles on the clock?

The clue to benefits is in the title, a benefit...

Benefits should be properly means tested cos if you can afford to buy a car that costs as much as a years private rental then you should be in private rental and free the social housing for someone that actually needs it..

And as for being forced into chappy jobs.. Absolutely..

The only way this country will get out of the hole it is in is by massively reducing the money vacuum that is social benefits.

That way, we all benefit and not just those that cannot be arsed to get off theirs and get a job.

.

Rant over...

"

I actually agree.

You can tell who owns privately and who has social housing where I live too - all the nice new cars are on the wrong driveways.

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over a year ago


"The new sanctions are completely insane.

Lets take a look at universal credit, where if you dont sign the contract you can get put on a 12 month sanction... Now one way to look at it, yes it gives them an incentive to sign and commit to getting a job however, take a step back and lets look at the bigger picture here.

Mr.A is mentally ill. To the point doctors, psycologists, his care team all say unsafe in the work place... So he gets put on UC. Now he can't look for work because unsafe. So they put him down the assessment stage... No money until he is assessed, oh this can take up to 6 months or longer not the 3 they say it will.

So he gets to his assessment and the person doing it, isnt a specialist in that particular field and mr.a does a physical assessment rather than mental assessment and hes found fit for work. On the grounds of his UC contract he is now unable to appeal this decision or here comes a 12 month sanction and no money!

So now his doctors and his care team have a patient who is going downhill fast mentally, living on food banks...fucking food banks!!! When did they become acceptable?

Welcome to a tory government and with all those cuts made to the welfare system the national debt has still increased!

Dax

National debt increasing because, most of the self employed people and big corporate evade tax....

As someone that runs my own company why should i pay as much tax as you do as an employed person?

I dont get sick pay, holiday pay, any pay bonus, im not entitled to any form of benefits as a company director. If i dont have work i dont have money any neither do my employees. I have to deal with customers on a daily basis doing quotes, ordering materials, and chasing the many late or attempted non paying customers which often leaves you stuck up shit creek. So yes if i can add something on my end of year to reduce my tax i will because its the only way to keep enough money in your pocket to guarantee abit of security in life. "

Exactly that attitude simply may be the tax is more than employed person's tax, the businesses think why they have to pay the correct tax back.

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over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. "
If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No 51 - 2013 vw polo & 2015 BMW 1 series

No 75 - 2011 focus, 2007 vw polo & transit custom full of speakers

No 64 - 2016 vauxhall zafira

No 66 - 2014 ford kuga & 2013 BMW x5

No 78- 2003 ford focus.

Listed are the vehicles owned by those living in social housing in a suberb not far outside London. They pay on average £350 per month rental.

Those renting housing privately in the same rd pay £1200+...

I work on average 60 hours per week to pay my mortgage.

I leave before those in the social housing are awake and get home when they are standing outside chatting and smoking (all barring one smoke!)

So why is it I drive a small car, 2007 model with 165000 miles on the clock?

The clue to benefits is in the title, a benefit...

Benefits should be properly means tested cos if you can afford to buy a car that costs as much as a years private rental then you should be in private rental and free the social housing for someone that actually needs it..

And as for being forced into chappy jobs.. Absolutely..

The only way this country will get out of the hole it is in is by massively reducing the money vacuum that is social benefits.

That way, we all benefit and not just those that cannot be arsed to get off theirs and get a job.

.

Rant over...

I actually agree.

You can tell who owns privately and who has social housing where I live too - all the nice new cars are on the wrong driveways. "
I actually agree too it's a massive systemic problem the whole construct is fucked.

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over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. "
obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No 51 - 2013 vw polo & 2015 BMW 1 series

No 75 - 2011 focus, 2007 vw polo & transit custom full of speakers

No 64 - 2016 vauxhall zafira

No 66 - 2014 ford kuga & 2013 BMW x5

No 78- 2003 ford focus.

Listed are the vehicles owned by those living in social housing in a suberb not far outside London. They pay on average £350 per month rental.

Those renting housing privately in the same rd pay £1200+...

I work on average 60 hours per week to pay my mortgage.

I leave before those in the social housing are awake and get home when they are standing outside chatting and smoking (all barring one smoke!)

So why is it I drive a small car, 2007 model with 165000 miles on the clock?

The clue to benefits is in the title, a benefit...

Benefits should be properly means tested cos if you can afford to buy a car that costs as much as a years private rental then you should be in private rental and free the social housing for someone that actually needs it..

And as for being forced into chappy jobs.. Absolutely..

The only way this country will get out of the hole it is in is by massively reducing the money vacuum that is social benefits.

That way, we all benefit and not just those that cannot be arsed to get off theirs and get a job.

.

Rant over...

"

You could blame greedy landlords wanting to earn from the housing shortage. Private renting charges are ridiculous and I don't know how anyone can afford them.

Incidentally, in my road, the council tenants have clapped out Fords and the likes, old vans or no car. The private renters have new, big family cars (some have more than one on the drive) and the few home owners who live in their houses have Audis and BMWs or no car, because they are old and past driving age. Maybe it's different in different suburbs of London.

I'm pretty sure people earning over a certain amount of money are told to privately rent or buy by the council now, as there are so few council houses. Social rents are a lot more than council rents too, because most are new builds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No 51 - 2013 vw polo & 2015 BMW 1 series

No 75 - 2011 focus, 2007 vw polo & transit custom full of speakers

No 64 - 2016 vauxhall zafira

No 66 - 2014 ford kuga & 2013 BMW x5

No 78- 2003 ford focus.

Listed are the vehicles owned by those living in social housing in a suberb not far outside London. They pay on average £350 per month rental.

Those renting housing privately in the same rd pay £1200+...

I work on average 60 hours per week to pay my mortgage.

I leave before those in the social housing are awake and get home when they are standing outside chatting and smoking (all barring one smoke!)

So why is it I drive a small car, 2007 model with 165000 miles on the clock?

The clue to benefits is in the title, a benefit...

Benefits should be properly means tested cos if you can afford to buy a car that costs as much as a years private rental then you should be in private rental and free the social housing for someone that actually needs it..

And as for being forced into chappy jobs.. Absolutely..

The only way this country will get out of the hole it is in is by massively reducing the money vacuum that is social benefits.

That way, we all benefit and not just those that cannot be arsed to get off theirs and get a job.

.

Rant over...

You could blame greedy landlords wanting to earn from the housing shortage. Private renting charges are ridiculous and I don't know how anyone can afford them.

Incidentally, in my road, the council tenants have clapped out Fords and the likes, old vans or no car. The private renters have new, big family cars (some have more than one on the drive) and the few home owners who live in their houses have Audis and BMWs or no car, because they are old and past driving age. Maybe it's different in different suburbs of London.

I'm pretty sure people earning over a certain amount of money are told to privately rent or buy by the council now, as there are so few council houses. Social rents are a lot more than council rents too, because most are new builds.

"
Exactly. Another good point the housing crisis just adds to the problems, massively. If the government spent some fucking money where it should maybe things would be less messier.

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over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there"

That is why so many people are looking to Greater London for accommodation, which is pushing up property prices at an alarming rate, which means property owners are asking for more rent. It will have to end at some point, or no average wage earner will be able to afford to live anywhere in London.

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By *ucyfur77Woman
over a year ago

Pleasuretown


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me"

Yeah, I was told the same thing when I claimed for UC. So, searching for work is meant to be equivalent to a full time job.

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By *inkySlinkyCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

They split up and he was doing all he could, but he died a year after they split"

If they had been married she would have got bereavement benefit until child was 18 and it isn't means tested.

Sally

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By *inkySlinkyCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

They split up and he was doing all he could, but he died a year after they split"

If they had been married she would have got bereavement benefit until child was 18 and it isn't means tested.

Sally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there

That is why so many people are looking to Greater London for accommodation, which is pushing up property prices at an alarming rate, which means property owners are asking for more rent. It will have to end at some point, or no average wage earner will be able to afford to live anywhere in London.

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At some point!? They'll just build a fancy transport system bring in more immigrants and make the fuckers commute, sounds like a dastardly plan of ever I've heard one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there"

Still.1% is my hard earned well deserved money why should I give away to someone who don't even want to search for a job. So I got all fucking entitlement to talk shit to anyone.

Ok I see u living in Bournemouth so probably you should be claiming 50k from benefits to pay for you coffee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there

That is why so many people are looking to Greater London for accommodation, which is pushing up property prices at an alarming rate, which means property owners are asking for more rent. It will have to end at some point, or no average wage earner will be able to afford to live anywhere in London.

At some point!? They'll just build a fancy transport system bring in more immigrants and make the fuckers commute, sounds like a dastardly plan of ever I've heard one. "

Y not if the locals don't want to work, we got to get immigrants and make the hard working, clever, skilled, educated, smart people commute, sounds perfectly good plan of I have ever heard one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there

That is why so many people are looking to Greater London for accommodation, which is pushing up property prices at an alarming rate, which means property owners are asking for more rent. It will have to end at some point, or no average wage earner will be able to afford to live anywhere in London.

At some point!? They'll just build a fancy transport system bring in more immigrants and make the fuckers commute, sounds like a dastardly plan of ever I've heard one.

Y not if the locals don't want to work, we got to get immigrants and make the hard working, clever, skilled, educated, smart people commute, sounds perfectly good plan of I have ever heard one."
I know Alex Bisogno for prime minister

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"No mention of the father stepping up to help...

They split up and he was doing all he could, but he died a year after they split

If they had been married she would have got bereavement benefit until child was 18 and it isn't means tested.

Sally"

that changed in april this year. you only get them for 18 months now to help you 'adjust' to becoming a single parent (whatever that means).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. "

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wage

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money."

Then you have no idea how capitalism works. It needs a certain percentage of able, unemployed people. This way, demand always exceeds supply in the job market, and thus wages are forced down, thus saving employers billions, nationally. It is only fair though, that we don't ket the jobless starve in the streets (the veneer of civillisation/avoiding unrest) to compensate for all the money saved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway. obviously of your living London we can change that to £70.000 it cost 50k just for the coffee there

That is why so many people are looking to Greater London for accommodation, which is pushing up property prices at an alarming rate, which means property owners are asking for more rent. It will have to end at some point, or no average wage earner will be able to afford to live anywhere in London.

"

Yep. I earn an alright wage but my rent is ridiculous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wage"
really your not privileged, do you know the odds of you being born? Billions to one, and earning 35k or more puts you in the top 10% earners in the world, is that not enough privilege?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wagereally your not privileged, do you know the odds of you being born? Billions to one, and earning 35k or more puts you in the top 10% earners in the world, is that not enough privilege? "

And also lucky - the average wage in this country is about £26K, so you are almost a full 10K above that.

Although, that said, the pyramid is so skewed towards the base that the mean probably doesn't give an accurate picture - it would probably be far more enlightening to look at the mode.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wagereally your not privileged, do you know the odds of you being born? Billions to one, and earning 35k or more puts you in the top 10% earners in the world, is that not enough privilege?

And also lucky - the average wage in this country is about £26K, so you are almost a full 10K above that.

Although, that said, the pyramid is so skewed towards the base that the mean probably doesn't give an accurate picture - it would probably be far more enlightening to look at the mode. "
It starts getting scary and enlightening when you look at how much wealth the top 1% have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wagereally your not privileged, do you know the odds of you being born? Billions to one, and earning 35k or more puts you in the top 10% earners in the world, is that not enough privilege? "

That word does not mean what you think it means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wagereally your not privileged, do you know the odds of you being born? Billions to one, and earning 35k or more puts you in the top 10% earners in the world, is that not enough privilege?

And also lucky - the average wage in this country is about £26K, so you are almost a full 10K above that.

Although, that said, the pyramid is so skewed towards the base that the mean probably doesn't give an accurate picture - it would probably be far more enlightening to look at the mode. "

A person on 26k has a effective tax rate of about -10%

Why exactly are you "privileged" for paying more than you receive back.

While saying that people who earnless and are given far more than they contribute back are not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always seems to me like people in well paid jobs like to have a go at people on benefits, I don't understand it your in an immeasurably b tree place in life than them, so why be a twat?

No one being a twat here, and no one here posted are working for BBC either... Everyone are struggling to keep up with their everyday exepense.

Op raised a concern saying it is harsh making a jobless person to search for a job 35 hrs in a week, if that's harsh then what would you say about the person who spend 40- 50 hrs a week and still they only just manage to pay their bill. If your earning more than £50 000 a year doing a max of 40-45 a week, stfu! Your so fucking privileged to be alive. If not then still why are you moaning when the tax you pay most of it, 99.9% doesn't go on benefits anyway, so you literally have no fucking entitlement to say shit to anyone you probably are costing the other tax payers who earn the real money, anyway.

35k a year is the point you actually start being a net contributor to the treasury.

But i dont think you can call somone privileged because they work hard for a decent wagereally your not privileged, do you know the odds of you being born? Billions to one, and earning 35k or more puts you in the top 10% earners in the world, is that not enough privilege?

And also lucky - the average wage in this country is about £26K, so you are almost a full 10K above that.

Although, that said, the pyramid is so skewed towards the base that the mean probably doesn't give an accurate picture - it would probably be far more enlightening to look at the mode.

A person on 26k has a effective tax rate of about -10%

Why exactly are you "privileged" for paying more than you receive back.

While saying that people who earnless and are given far more than they contribute back are not

"
Well you adjusted the figure to 35k but I see your point and hopefully you see mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one wants any one to starve in the street. my point was, why should a person working hard in his life should contribute to someone who doesn't even want to search for a job. I would rather give that money to someone who can't physically able to do work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one wants any one to starve in the street. my point was, why should a person working hard in his life should contribute to someone who doesn't even want to search for a job. I would rather give that money to someone who can't physically able to do work. The amount of money spent on unemployment benefits is about 2.5 billion which is fuck all so let's take 40% tax on 35, so that's 12,000 the UK budget is 2.7 trillion, so from our 12000£ tax your spending about 12p on unemployment benefit, I mean call me a spendthrift but I give more than that to the local crack heads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some need to get of their high horse on this thread.. thing people say when they do not get a fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone's interested it's even less than that it's either 0.12 pence or less than that I can't really be arsed to do the maths but it could be 0.012 or even 0.0012 pence for anyone still following me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

I see soon, the job seeker allowances will be cut completely for able people. According to me only the physically challenged person are the only one who is deserved or should be provided with the benefits, rest all should work their ass to earn money.

Until the day you are made redundant and unable to cover your bills.

People with skill will not find it difficult to find a job in a moth time mate.. It is all about individuals willingness to get a job.

And the people without skill who are more than willing?

Is there no support for re training or classes to improve yourself?

I know you can't go to college or anything because you have to sign off, it's a shame because she probably do well doing a vocational training course of some kind"

Whilst I was out of work due to having to care for my father I was able to study as long as it was under 16 hours a week this was so I could keep my current skills up to date as well as gain some new ones. Also the Jobcentre do have course they will put you on which can be from 9-5 so yes you can study whilst on benefits

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I can see how people get angry, my friend gets angry too,there are COUPLES, who live near us who don't work,one of them sits outside all day when it's sunny smoking and drinking beer, I don't see where he is fitting his 35 hours in, and someone I know quite well,is on a different benefit to jsa, and also gets pip she nets double what my friend does, with no kids and no chance of being sanctioned, she never has to sign on,and the best part, there is nothing wrong with her.

These are the people the daily mail and channel 5 will have you believe are the norm, when in reality, you have a 26 year old woman, who is having the fight kicked out of her week in week out, because she gets judged by people she doesn't know, and spends 35 hours a week getting rejected then every two weeks almost has a panic attack in case the guy at the job centre deems her efforts to be lacking, from her point of view, and if I were in that position, I would say it would be far easier and less stressful to get a job,so I don't think the "just lazy" or "doing it for an easy life" argument stands up if you can have an easier life and more money if you work.

But I've seen the stress she goes through first hand, and she deserves better than people saying she just has to try harder, she deserves help.

See what tomorrow brings eh

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

as of monday, I have a cleaner, not just my house, but properties I let (common areas) 20 hours per week, at £7.50 per hour, but I can't help everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The clue is in the name. "Jobseekers" Allowance.

Therefore you should be "seeking a job". It doesn't seem like rocket science to me!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Im always stunned by the amount of people who go straight in for the "everyone can do it, I had to do it, so why don't you?" statement, I'm happy that people have achived in their life, but why slate everyone who isn't as talented or driven as you, I don't get it

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

I had the misfortune of being made redundant a fair few years ago, I was out of work for around 6 months. Every single trip to the jobcentre was horrendous! Being spoken to like a piece of shit, looked down upon, patronised, made to feel like I was begging.

By all accounts, it's got much worse now.

I think many of us should be thankful that we have a job rather than perpetuating the awful attitudes that some have displayed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I had the misfortune of being made redundant a fair few years ago, I was out of work for around 6 months. Every single trip to the jobcentre was horrendous! Being spoken to like a piece of shit, looked down upon, patronised, made to feel like I was begging.

By all accounts, it's got much worse now.

I think many of us should be thankful that we have a job rather than perpetuating the awful attitudes that some have displayed

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"The clue is in the name. "Jobseekers" Allowance.

Therefore you should be "seeking a job". It doesn't seem like rocket science to me!"

Exactly this.....there are other benefits that can top you up if you have other needs as well.

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By *ucyfur77Woman
over a year ago

Pleasuretown


"I had the misfortune of being made redundant a fair few years ago, I was out of work for around 6 months. Every single trip to the jobcentre was horrendous! Being spoken to like a piece of shit, looked down upon, patronised, made to feel like I was begging.

By all accounts, it's got much worse now.

I think many of us should be thankful that we have a job rather than perpetuating the awful attitudes that some have displayed

"

Thank you

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

Yes there are but again, the dwp administering them still treat people like shit rather than as human beings.

My sister is a prime example. She is full time, live in carer for our disabled mother, claims carers allowance and was also claiming a small top up payment of income support too. She had to attend the jobcentre on occasions for reviews of her circumstances. On one of these occasions she was asked "so when do you expect to be in a position to look for a full time job?"

Sound pretty innocuous to some but had the advisor actually bothered to read her file she would have seen that our mother has a progressive illness that will never improve and will ultimately take her life. This question was tantamount to asking when will your mother die

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was surprised to find out today that my friend who is a single mother on benefits, is expected to do 35hrs a week job search, or she could lose her benefits, I am agasp that's 7hrs a day, or 5hrs if you spread it over 7 days, is this something that is heavily enforced, or is it a warning, it sounds a bit harsh to me"
yes it true and they enforce it harshly I have a friend who last year had to do the same in the end just stopped signing on.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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they set unrealistic targets so they can sanction people and bring down the benefits bill, and by removing people from benefits and putting them onto hardship payments they also make it look like unemployment figures have gone down, and so the political party in charge can then skew these figures by saying they are creating jobs for people and not even mention they are denying them benefits for being unemployed.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

)"

You should read the reports from food banks on the cruel reasons that people are sanctioned -

A man at hospital where his partner had a stillbirth.

A man taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack but had left Job Centre a message.

There are thousands of such cases where claimants are deemed not to be doing enough.

Divide and conquer tactics have made this country vindictive, hateful and callous in their disregard for the cruel effects of benefits sanctions. People can be left without benefits for 2 years, unable to claim anything should even their subsequent job success fail. That is then a family unit without income or food - and possibly homeless quickly too.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

)

You should read the reports from food banks on the cruel reasons that people are sanctioned -

A man at hospital where his partner had a stillbirth.

A man taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack but had left Job Centre a message.

There are thousands of such cases where claimants are deemed not to be doing enough.

Divide and conquer tactics have made this country vindictive, hateful and callous in their disregard for the cruel effects of benefits sanctions. People can be left without benefits for 2 years, unable to claim anything should even their subsequent job success fail. That is then a family unit without income or food - and possibly homeless quickly too. "

But according to some that's fine. It's all their own fault and they should be grateful for the tiniest little crumb that we the tax payer may throw them

This thread, and the one about homelessness has been an eye opener when it comes to seeing the true nature and lack of compassion shown by some forumites

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

)

You should read the reports from food banks on the cruel reasons that people are sanctioned -

A man at hospital where his partner had a stillbirth.

A man taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack but had left Job Centre a message.

There are thousands of such cases where claimants are deemed not to be doing enough.

Divide and conquer tactics have made this country vindictive, hateful and callous in their disregard for the cruel effects of benefits sanctions. People can be left without benefits for 2 years, unable to claim anything should even their subsequent job success fail. That is then a family unit without income or food - and possibly homeless quickly too.

But according to some that's fine. It's all their own fault and they should be grateful for the tiniest little crumb that we the tax payer may throw them

This thread, and the one about homelessness has been an eye opener when it comes to seeing the true nature and lack of compassion shown by some forumites"

you can put an expensive suit on a dick .... but they're still a dick

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

)

You should read the reports from food banks on the cruel reasons that people are sanctioned -

A man at hospital where his partner had a stillbirth.

A man taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack but had left Job Centre a message.

There are thousands of such cases where claimants are deemed not to be doing enough.

Divide and conquer tactics have made this country vindictive, hateful and callous in their disregard for the cruel effects of benefits sanctions. People can be left without benefits for 2 years, unable to claim anything should even their subsequent job success fail. That is then a family unit without income or food - and possibly homeless quickly too.

But according to some that's fine. It's all their own fault and they should be grateful for the tiniest little crumb that we the tax payer may throw them

This thread, and the one about homelessness has been an eye opener when it comes to seeing the true nature and lack of compassion shown by some forumites"

It's really sickening, especially as I sense that many are just driven by it being right to have an extreme and punishing regime, whatever the cost - and they've probably not researched the food bank publications etc that list the inhumane treatment that many have had from Job Centre departments pushed to hit targets of people who are sanctioned. There are also many people who have died or have had depression and mental health problems because of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes there are but again, the dwp administering them still treat people like shit rather than as human beings.

My sister is a prime example. She is full time, live in carer for our disabled mother, claims carers allowance and was also claiming a small top up payment of income support too. She had to attend the jobcentre on occasions for reviews of her circumstances. On one of these occasions she was asked "so when do you expect to be in a position to look for a full time job?"

Sound pretty innocuous to some but had the advisor actually bothered to read her file she would have seen that our mother has a progressive illness that will never improve and will ultimately take her life. This question was tantamount to asking when will your mother die "

I had this happen recently to me

I'm a full time carer for my disabled mother

They even asked me if I had thought about putting her into s nursing home

My reply wasn't very polite

And I pointed out that I and many carers save the government a lot of money by caring for them at home

The measly amount we get for being a carer is nothing compared to a nursing home bill every week was they in care

They didn't have an answer for that

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

)

You should read the reports from food banks on the cruel reasons that people are sanctioned -

A man at hospital where his partner had a stillbirth.

A man taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack but had left Job Centre a message.

There are thousands of such cases where claimants are deemed not to be doing enough.

Divide and conquer tactics have made this country vindictive, hateful and callous in their disregard for the cruel effects of benefits sanctions. People can be left without benefits for 2 years, unable to claim anything should even their subsequent job success fail. That is then a family unit without income or food - and possibly homeless quickly too.

But according to some that's fine. It's all their own fault and they should be grateful for the tiniest little crumb that we the tax payer may throw them

This thread, and the one about homelessness has been an eye opener when it comes to seeing the true nature and lack of compassion shown by some forumites

It's really sickening, especially as I sense that many are just driven by it being right to have an extreme and punishing regime, whatever the cost - and they've probably not researched the food bank publications etc that list the inhumane treatment that many have had from Job Centre departments pushed to hit targets of people who are sanctioned. There are also many people who have died or have had depression and mental health problems because of it. "

depression is up 50% for people on benefits. that just came out this week.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cuts-mental-health-unemployed-rise-government-welfare-reforms-blamed-a7841941.html

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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New analysis of data from NHS surveys of GP patients shows that in March 2017, 15.2 per cent of unemployed people said they suffered from severe or extreme anxiety or depression.

This figure has increased steadily from 10.1 per cent in June 2013, and marks a sharper jump than rates of the conditions among the general population, which rose 20 per cent over the same period, from 3.4 per cent of people to 4.1 per cent.

“The devastating impact of the benefits cap for families with children, the freezing of benefits at a time of inflation, and the cutting of benefits for the disabled are putting claimants under terrible mental and financial strain,” said Janet Weisz, the UKCP’s chief executive.

“The constant threat of benefit sanctions only adds to the pressure.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those saying so it should be etc ...

Jsa rates are pitiful ..you can barely survive on it ...and new conditions for proving your job search include things like

Go to town every morning .. hand in cvs..search for jobs in windows ..etc

Make ten phonecards a day

Go to library and print off 20 cvs

Etc etc

On that income you literally watch every single penny ..... where does the money come from to catch public transport to town avd hack. Say ..6.00 a day ?

To pay a phone bill of all these phonecards they stipulate

To pay for printing ...etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*** phone calls***

Typo

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Yes there are but again, the dwp administering them still treat people like shit rather than as human beings.

My sister is a prime example. She is full time, live in carer for our disabled mother, claims carers allowance and was also claiming a small top up payment of income support too. She had to attend the jobcentre on occasions for reviews of her circumstances. On one of these occasions she was asked "so when do you expect to be in a position to look for a full time job?"

Sound pretty innocuous to some but had the advisor actually bothered to read her file she would have seen that our mother has a progressive illness that will never improve and will ultimately take her life. This question was tantamount to asking when will your mother die

I had this happen recently to me

I'm a full time carer for my disabled mother

They even asked me if I had thought about putting her into s nursing home

My reply wasn't very polite

And I pointed out that I and many carers save the government a lot of money by caring for them at home

The measly amount we get for being a carer is nothing compared to a nursing home bill every week was they in care

They didn't have an answer for that "

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

I'm a carer for my disabled mum too.

I was being hassled by the job centre about 2 years ago. They were expecting me to attend an interview every 2 weeks and continually asking me when I expected to be in a position to look for full time employment. I had a massive argument with the advisor over this because they were basically asking me when I expected my mum to die.

I went home and spent some time researching DWP and government rules regarding people in receipt of carers allowance and went to the next appointment and quoted them to the advisor. I threatened them with legal action if they didn't stop hassling me. They haven't called me in for an appointment since and they just leave me alone to do the job of looking after my mum.

I am expecting to have to go for an appointment soon as they did say they will periodically check that my circumstances haven't changed and if I need any support.

One thing that really pisses me off though is the fact that carers allowance is so low. We only get just over £62 per week and have to care for someone for a minimum of 35 hours. This is £10 per week less than JSA and we have no entitlement to free prescriptions etc.

A paid carer earning minimum wage and working 35hrs a week earns £262.50.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it would take 35 hours to find a job if you're not fussy.

That would be roughly equivalent to 20-40 different non copy and paste applications not including any interviews etc."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im always stunned by the amount of people who go straight in for the "everyone can do it, I had to do it, so why don't you?" statement, I'm happy that people have achived in their life, but why slate everyone who isn't as talented or driven as you, I don't get it"
This and because you pay a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of pence in JSA allowance, yearly. You think your entitled to be twat to people on JSA fuck off, it's like I said you won the lottery when you were born and then again when your born in this country and then again when you get a high paying job so love in the moment and enjoy sweet life and help people less fortunate than yourselves, that's not rocket science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing your entitled to do is stfu and enjoy your life. I don't judge anyone, even tramps and crackheads they had a billions of billions to 1 chance of being born and are just as special as you or I except they didn't keep winning the lottery. And god knows, who knows what's happened to them in their lives.

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By *ucyfur77Woman
over a year ago

Pleasuretown


"Why should I work hard like 40hrs a week and pay tax and then that goes to benefit seekers, who don't bother to spend same amount of effort of hours to find a job. I would say it is good what the gov is doing.

)

You should read the reports from food banks on the cruel reasons that people are sanctioned -

A man at hospital where his partner had a stillbirth.

A man taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack but had left Job Centre a message.

There are thousands of such cases where claimants are deemed not to be doing enough.

Divide and conquer tactics have made this country vindictive, hateful and callous in their disregard for the cruel effects of benefits sanctions. People can be left without benefits for 2 years, unable to claim anything should even their subsequent job success fail. That is then a family unit without income or food - and possibly homeless quickly too.

But according to some that's fine. It's all their own fault and they should be grateful for the tiniest little crumb that we the tax payer may throw them

This thread, and the one about homelessness has been an eye opener when it comes to seeing the true nature and lack of compassion shown by some forumites"

Have noticed that too

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

On the flip side of some sickening cruelty in evidence, these threads have also pointed out some people who help to make the world a better place for others to be around.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

The thing that always gets me about this discussion is that it's such small potatoes. The press makes a song and dance about it and we, without thought play along, squabbling amongst ourselves over the crumbs whilst the real "benefit cheats" evade billions in tax or claim ridiculous expenses on our behalf. How gullable they must think us! How they must laugh all the way to the bank!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"On the flip side of some sickening cruelty in evidence, these threads have also pointed out some people who help to make the world a better place for others to be around. "

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

This subject is clearly a marmite one isnt it. Ive been working in the industry that im in for 30 years. Ive been made redundant twice. The time i was out of work for 5 months including over Christmas. The jsa is a pittance i used my redundancy money and the little savings i had to get by. I struggled to get back into another position and had to take a low paid job through an agency. I was told on day 2 of this job i wasnt needed! So for one days pay i'd effectively cost myself any further jsa. I luckily got back into the industry within the month. Its not as black and white as some people in this thread make out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject is clearly a marmite one isnt it. Ive been working in the industry that im in for 30 years. Ive been made redundant twice. The time i was out of work for 5 months including over Christmas. The jsa is a pittance i used my redundancy money and the little savings i had to get by. I struggled to get back into another position and had to take a low paid job through an agency. I was told on day 2 of this job i wasnt needed! So for one days pay i'd effectively cost myself any further jsa. I luckily got back into the industry within the month. Its not as black and white as some people in this thread make out."

The point is that you looked for and fortunately found work. Some people seem to think that they have an option of not seeking or wanting work but still expect to be financially looked after, which I think is totally wrong.

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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago

Land of the giants... ;-)

The problem arrises if you are in a niche field of work with very few positions available and require a certain income to keep a roof over your head.. in some cases you can't afford to take any position.. insurance policies can also affect this...

It's not always cut and dry..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject is clearly a marmite one isnt it. Ive been working in the industry that im in for 30 years. Ive been made redundant twice. The time i was out of work for 5 months including over Christmas. The jsa is a pittance i used my redundancy money and the little savings i had to get by. I struggled to get back into another position and had to take a low paid job through an agency. I was told on day 2 of this job i wasnt needed! So for one days pay i'd effectively cost myself any further jsa. I luckily got back into the industry within the month. Its not as black and white as some people in this thread make out.

The point is that you looked for and fortunately found work. Some people seem to think that they have an option of not seeking or wanting work but still expect to be financially looked after, which I think is totally wrong."

Very few people think like that. Some people assume everyone on jsa is a lazy fuck who doesn't want to work.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"The problem arrises if you are in a niche field of work with very few positions available and require a certain income to keep a roof over your head.. in some cases you can't afford to take any position.. insurance policies can also affect this...

It's not always cut and dry..

"

I was in the same situation in February when after being officially 'Sick' for 6 wks, moved straight onto JSA. I have primarily worked in Hotel management, specialising in Night Management.

But hotels had little at that time, jobs wise and what there was, were on minimum wage levels. Insurers had quibbled over my cover as previous jobs were working via an agency but despite working full time with them at jobs across the UK, Insurers don't recognise Agency work as full time! Strange but true.

Jobs wise, I applied for almost 200 jobs in 5 weeks. My Mortgage provider wanted me to give up all my monthly benefits to pay them but I beat them down to £70 per month. Job Centre provided NIL help with that.

But the Job Centre staff were great in recognising that my Age was against me and were of immense help. Yes, Age Discrimination still exists big time despite being illegal.

What my local Job Centre could do, if I got an interview, was pay for a new suit, tie, shirt and shoes; if I got work but start times were before local transport started up, Job Centres can pay for a brand new bicycle, helmet and accessories. If you drive, J C's will pay towards fuel costs for the first month.

I got placed on training courses, some good, some not so. But I got my benefits no problem as,I was showing how committed I was to finding work, even doing Voluntary Work. I did finally get work in a crap job, but found alternative work from there.

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