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London Riots who is to Blame

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

more riots erupted today

who is to blame

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the rioters and looters.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

The people rioting - who else is there to blame?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fuckwit neanderthals

now choose whether i mean 'the establishment' or the rioters ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dammit!!! View & BB beat me too it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know the Guardian is attempting to shift blame in the direction of its usual suspects.

But to be honest, it ain't working.

Nobody believes for a second the problem lies with the current government.

Not that government is unconnected to the problems of economy in these places.

Only that a place doesn't go to shit like that within a year. It takes decades of neglect to produce a den of superchavs.

And by neglect, I don't mean that throwing more money at the superchavs would solve any problems.

The problem, ultimately lies with them.

For the record, the whole of Tottenham didn't start getting violence. Plenty of people are having hard times, and don't feel the need to rob every shop they see or burn police stations.

These are opportunists, and everybody knows it. It's nothing to do with Left or Right. These guys are assholes on an epic scale.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I know the Guardian is attempting to shift blame in the direction of its usual suspects.

But to be honest, it ain't working.

Nobody believes for a second the problem lies with the current government.

Not that government is unconnected to the problems of economy in these places.

Only that a place doesn't go to shit like that within a year. It takes decades of neglect to produce a den of superchavs.

And by neglect, I don't mean that throwing more money at the superchavs would solve any problems.

The problem, ultimately lies with them.

For the record, the whole of Tottenham didn't start getting violence. Plenty of people are having hard times, and don't feel the need to rob every shop they see or burn police stations.

These are opportunists, and everybody knows it. It's nothing to do with Left or Right. These guys are assholes on an epic scale."

Largely agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the twats that stone the fire service should have the hoses turned on them and irrertant put in the water.

useless bastards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"more riots erupted today

who is to blame"
...... That's like a Homer Simpson question ha ha lol

* S¡Ts iN CrYp¡T * -|-

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i hate to say this but if the 'authorities' dont clamp down hard on this behaviour pretty quickly, its only going to spread across the country.

kicking off in Peckham and Lewisham as we use this forum.

really hope this is firmly dealt with 'cos if it is'nt other people will lose their lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cause and effect...

Somethings very wrong in these communities..or rotten boroughs as they were once called..I don`t mean that in a derogatory way, or giving a value judgement on the communities..but somethings wrong..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the government,for letting it continue.for taking all powers away from the police force,for not having a shoot to kill policy.

let the police shoot a few dead,the crowds will soon disperse,the rioters know the police have very limted powers,and can get away,virtually with whatever they want,and god forbid an officer does apprehend one,that person then cries police brutality n get compensation.

shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"the twats that stone the fire service should have the hoses turned on them and irrertant put in the water.

useless bastards"

Sorry that wont happen, the Fire Service must and will stay 'neutral'.

It is not the role of the service to be involved in controlling or dealing with the scumbags who are doing this, thats the role of the Police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let them eat cake...as quoted by marie antoinette..

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


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shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

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someone fleeing their home after it has been set alight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the government,for letting it continue.for taking all powers away from the police force,for not having a shoot to kill policy.

let the police shoot a few dead,the crowds will soon disperse,the rioters know the police have very limted powers,and can get away,virtually with whatever they want,and god forbid an officer does apprehend one,that person then cries police brutality n get compensation.

shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

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The families fleeing their homes...shoot them ?

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"the government,for letting it continue.for taking all powers away from the police force,for not having a shoot to kill policy.

let the police shoot a few dead,the crowds will soon disperse,the rioters know the police have very limted powers,and can get away,virtually with whatever they want,and god forbid an officer does apprehend one,that person then cries police brutality n get compensation.

shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

"

Nothing like a bit of over reaction to fan the flames....You should try living in Syria

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

arew families fleeing their homes throwing missiles?petrol bombs?anything else they can cause harm with?i said shoot the rioters not those running away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thats whats wrong with this country,too many left wing do gooders,scared they might offend someone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

"

A number of my friends are trying to get home in Hackney and have been struggling to do so for some time. The only reason I'm not caught in it is because I am at home. I have friends that lived right by the junction that it all started in in Hackney.

I have a friend that has rang me in tears earlier because they new it was kicking off but not how bad, the bus she was on was stopped and they were told to get off and her and many other passengers found themselves caught up in the area where the rioters have been shepherded down...

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"arew families fleeing their homes throwing missiles?petrol bombs?anything else they can cause harm with?i said shoot the rioters not those running away"

in the madness of a riot, it would be so difficult to know, someone watching their worldy goods go up in smoke may not be acting calm... and easily confused.

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol

What a strange question! Of course it's the idiots who think it's OK to voice their displeasure with violence and destruction.

*Her*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

shooting them isnt the answer, tho it would be effective

they need to tool the police right up , with pepper spray, batons, taser guns and loads of protective gear. just let them charge at the rioters and kick shit out of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What a strange question! Of course it's the idiots who think it's OK to voice their displeasure with violence and destruction.

*Her*"

I was in Queens Square t`other day...a history of riots..1831 esp...

Idiots ?

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"shooting them isnt the answer, tho it would be effective

they need to tool the police right up , with pepper spray, batons, taser guns and loads of protective gear. just let them charge at the rioters and kick shit out of them"

They already have all that equipment and more.....where have you been for the last Ten years?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the government,for letting it continue.for taking all powers away from the police force,for not having a shoot to kill policy.

let the police shoot a few dead,the crowds will soon disperse,the rioters know the police have very limted powers,and can get away,virtually with whatever they want,and god forbid an officer does apprehend one,that person then cries police brutality n get compensation.

shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

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Er...

You just back from Iran?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

A number of my friends are trying to get home in Hackney and have been struggling to do so for some time. The only reason I'm not caught in it is because I am at home. I have friends that lived right by the junction that it all started in in Hackney.

I have a friend that has rang me in tears earlier because they new it was kicking off but not how bad, the bus she was on was stopped and they were told to get off and her and many other passengers found themselves caught up in the area where the rioters have been shepherded down..."

Scary shit...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cause and effect...

Somethings very wrong in these communities..or rotten boroughs as they were once called..I don`t mean that in a derogatory way, or giving a value judgement on the communities..but somethings wrong.."

Sadly, no one wants to talk about that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where is the alleged leader of this country...when all this is going on..i wonder...some exclusive carribean island somewhere ??????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not reinstate Comedy Dave's great idea...

and Hug a Hoody??

Peace out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"where is the alleged leader of this country...when all this is going on..i wonder...some exclusive carribean island somewhere ??????"

Ten grand a week Italian villa wasn't it?

Call him Dave though. Man of the people you see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the government,for letting it continue.for taking all powers away from the police force,for not having a shoot to kill policy.

let the police shoot a few dead,the crowds will soon disperse,the rioters know the police have very limted powers,and can get away,virtually with whatever they want,and god forbid an officer does apprehend one,that person then cries police brutality n get compensation.

shoot the fkers dead,a dead rioter wont riot again

shoot an innocent person?what innocent person in their right mind is going to be in the middle of a riot??

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Yeah, cos that approach really worked in your country when the parachute regiment tried it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"where is the alleged leader of this country...when all this is going on..i wonder...some exclusive carribean island somewhere ??????"

He's in Italy not tipping waitresses and making it alright.

Boris is also noticable in his absence.

Pair of useless fuckers.

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By *oftyladnloftyladyCouple
over a year ago

worcester

i feel sorry for the honest folk down there and those who have been burnt out of their homes loosing everything, marshal law should take over so if you are coming out of a shop carrying the loot you get one chance to put it back or get a neat bullet hole between the eyes then others may start to think and behave instead of being like marauding animals. sorry apologies to animals for likening them to low life england dwelling beings.

the japanese did not turn to this after their tsunami.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I rest my case.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cause and effect...

Somethings very wrong in these communities..or rotten boroughs as they were once called..I don`t mean that in a derogatory way, or giving a value judgement on the communities..but somethings wrong..

Sadly, no one wants to talk about that. "

Well, you're in an ideal place to give a decent value judgement. You're in London and you're a minority. That gives your _iew's uber-credence on the borough of Tottenham (think it's a borough, not from england so not sure).

So; what is the problem and what are the possible solutions?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trying to stIr up trouble in Birmingham foot locker looted to day closed bull ring early

A need for the auttorities to act quickly and come down with an iron fist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems like peeps want to arm all the police.

Shall we lay off the judges and magistrates and save a few bob that way aswell? Cut out the middlemen.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

Disenfranchised groups of young people with near zero job prospects for one thing...

Over a Million under 25 year olds unemployed, most of which have never been able to find a job...

Community Policing being one of the first things to be cut by the new government...

Police moral at an all time low due to cuts in working conditions and take home pay...

Not to mention the fact that it now seems pretty certain that the bullet that was lodged in the CO19 officers radio had indeed been fired by a colleague and had passed through the body of the dead man...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Disenfranchised groups of young people with near zero job prospects for one thing...

Over a Million under 25 year olds unemployed, most of which have never been able to find a job...

Community Policing being one of the first things to be cut by the new government...

Police moral at an all time low due to cuts in working conditions and take home pay...

Not to mention the fact that it now seems pretty certain that the bullet that was lodged in the CO19 officers radio had indeed been fired by a colleague and had passed through the body of the dead man..."

True Jane, but we cannot disguise the fact that some, but probably many / most of the rioters have only the prospect of a free TV and some adidas trainers as their only motivation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if the good folk in these communities affected banded together, they would easily outnumber these scumbags.

tool them up aswell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across..."

and we need to use drastic measures to show them the error of their ways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Harringey is the borough.

And it's not just about black and white as Harringey is one of the poorest boroughs in london and children from all backgrounds are affected from poor relations with the police and those in education. Cuts to youth service in the area haven't helped. The problem is people are not listening to each other on both sides.

I'm not an authority on the subject. I just grew up there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At one point the BBC footage was the end of my road, literally about 200 metres away. This has been brewing all day, as early as lunchtime people were gathering. Shops were closing and the council offices were closed, it was obvious it was going to happen just a question of when. I would therefore question the wisdom of a random stop and search in that atmosphere...

It is planned and orchestrated, It is lawless and is fuck all to do with Mark Duggan's killing. It is impossible to condone it on any level but does apportioning blame achieve anything?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across..."

the people of Haiti looted and I kinda get that when there is total devastation..... with little or no hope.

the people of Tottenham and surrounding areas.. not quite the same...

looting for your next meal is one thing... a fireside rug from Carpetright is another.

Jane makes good points tho..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said...applaud...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Festering resentment....

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over a year ago


"The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across..."

satisfy jane , suzyq11,

I remember being an angry young man at 17/18.

What got me out of that, was understanding how the system worked, getting a job and working hard.

Two or three years later, I was in one of best universities in England and had 30,000 from my investments.

That's the key to helping young people.

Employment + Financial Education.

But once again; I stress you can't tell some people this. It just won't work.

I was usually the only young Irish person on building sites when I was working for a couple of years for university. Surrounded by pretty much every nationality apart from my own. There were older guys who were Irish, but very very few under the age of 30.

It's a two way thing. You have to have opportunities AND willpower/motivation to work.

One without the other is useless.

I believe this is still a 1st world country. I see plenty of jobs in the Job Centres of England. My student friends from Lithuania and Latvia have no difficulties finding jobs while at college or after they get their degrees. They're practically fending off job offers.

That points to the burden of blame resting on the shoulders of the English youths themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"Festering resentment...."

And opportunity

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By *isub69Man
over a year ago

Epsom

They idiots rioting are to blame.

I am all for protest, we have a right and a duty to protest peacefully. Unfortunately it seems that people confuse the right to protest with the right to smash stuff up.

It is made all the worse by the fact that the stores that are being looted,damaged and forced to close are local business and not leading high street stores as has happend previously.

I believe we need a strong crackdown (maybe not shooting them). I don't know what form this crackdown should take but I really think that the riot police should go on the offensive at some point.

As to the matter of the fatal shooting it is far to early to judge based on the few facts that have come out so far.

Still just my _iews.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

ASBO's are so passe, a looting conviction will give much more kudos.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would therefore question the wisdom of a random stop and search in that atmosphere... "

I don't think the police, or anybody in those areas, should kow-tow in fear of reprisal.

It may be appropriate to back away for civilians sometimes, but the police are supposed to be guardians of the people. As such, they shouldn't be pushed around by any one group just because they're aggressive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok i get what you say...and am a great admirer of yr intelligence and yr threads,however there is a lot of unrest in this country,as there is in a lot of european countries at the moment..and when people are desperate...they do desperate things...there is so much i could discuss about this...but trust me i hold my tongue..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Festering resentment....

And opportunity"

True...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across...

satisfy jane , suzyq11,

I remember being an angry young man at 17/18.

What got me out of that, was understanding how the system worked, getting a job and working hard.

Two or three years later, I was in one of best universities in England and had 30,000 from my investments.

That's the key to helping young people.

Employment + Financial Education.

But once again; I stress you can't tell some people this. It just won't work.

I was usually the only young Irish person on building sites when I was working for a couple of years for university. Surrounded by pretty much every nationality apart from my own. There were older guys who were Irish, but very very few under the age of 30.

It's a two way thing. You have to have opportunities AND willpower/motivation to work.

One without the other is useless.

I believe this is still a 1st world country. I see plenty of jobs in the Job Centres of England. My student friends from Lithuania and Latvia have no difficulties finding jobs while at college or after they get their degrees. They're practically fending off job offers.

That points to the burden of blame resting on the shoulders of the English youths themselves."

The problem when you talk about people improving themselves that on the estates of Tottenham the people with the money and the respect are the guys in gangs. There is a total lack of respect for much of what most people consider normal.

How do you solve that problem, years and decades of deprivation both social and economic means that it can't really be solved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across...

satisfy jane , suzyq11,

I remember being an angry young man at 17/18.

What got me out of that, was understanding how the system worked, getting a job and working hard.

Two or three years later, I was in one of best universities in England and had 30,000 from my investments.

That's the key to helping young people.

Employment + Financial Education.

But once again; I stress you can't tell some people this. It just won't work.

I was usually the only young Irish person on building sites when I was working for a couple of years for university. Surrounded by pretty much every nationality apart from my own. There were older guys who were Irish, but very very few under the age of 30.

It's a two way thing. You have to have opportunities AND willpower/motivation to work.

One without the other is useless.

I believe this is still a 1st world country. I see plenty of jobs in the Job Centres of England. My student friends from Lithuania and Latvia have no difficulties finding jobs while at college or after they get their degrees. They're practically fending off job offers.

That points to the burden of blame resting on the shoulders of the English youths themselves.

The problem when you talk about people improving themselves that on the estates of Tottenham the people with the money and the respect are the guys in gangs. There is a total lack of respect for much of what most people consider normal.

How do you solve that problem, years and decades of deprivation both social and economic means that it can't really be solved."

Not to mention that poorer families have also been priced out of higher education. Unless it's mathmatically possible to fund a degree course on child benefit.

No one's knocking hard work but as the above post shows, problems are also social.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Harringey is the borough.

And it's not just about black and white as Harringey is one of the poorest boroughs in london and children from all backgrounds are affected from poor relations with the police and those in education. Cuts to youth service in the area haven't helped. The problem is people are not listening to each other on both sides.

I'm not an authority on the subject. I just grew up there."

I know, I see whites and asians on the news footage too. But it's hard to critique an area with a large black population in London if you're white, for fear of being labelled racist for bringing a problem to attention. At that point, your solutions become politics, and that will interfere with everything you do from then on.

Fundamentally, all such problems are caused by a mixture of politics/economics, but it is also true that similar circumstances are often met with very different reactions. e.g. we don't have riots in Japan despite the calamity they faced.

You might not consider yourself an authority on the subject, but you're probably one of the best placed people on the forum to give an opinion.

Me, I can have my opinion, but I'm from Ireland and I hardly know anything about England let alone London, so my ideas count for less. I mean, I know what tourists know, but nothing deeper, no tacit knowledge as it's called.

What about introducing police officers to young children in schools. Just to show they're humans, not some apparently malevolent force hanging over the horizon.

And what is the scale of the drug problem? Is it as bad as the Bronx or Baltimore in the USA?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thankyou....exactly ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would therefore question the wisdom of a random stop and search in that atmosphere...

I don't think the police, or anybody in those areas, should kow-tow in fear of reprisal.

It may be appropriate to back away for civilians sometimes, but the police are supposed to be guardians of the people. As such, they shouldn't be pushed around by any one group just because they're aggressive."

There is a difference between kow-towing and police being provocative. To be honest it would have kicked off today anyway but even so when there was already a stand off and people gathering why push the button. Stop and Search causes many prblems, the statistics regarding percentage increase and percentage of young afro-caribean men stopped compared to any other race is shocking. It almost erupted in Brixton much earlier yesterday for the same reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I grew up in Brixton. The 1981 riots were a week before my 18th birthday. Although I didn't take part I was in the vicinity. I also saw a lot of the stuff that caused it.

Some aspects of policing in south London haven't changed.Brixton always seems ready to kick off. I often go thru Peckham and Lewisham and they seem a lot like Brixton did in 81

In the aftermath of the 81 riot the Scarman Report said that "complex political, social and economic factors" created a "disposition towards violent protest".

The Stephen Lawrence Inquiry found that a hell of a lot of the recommendations in the Scarman Report were largely ignored.Some things haven't moved on.

Of course it's possible some are just using it as an excuse to nick a 42' plasma

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem especially at this time,during a deep recession is the haves and have nots,although i dont condone it,i understand it...if you dont feel you have any future what so ever, people will use drastic measures to get their point across...

satisfy jane , suzyq11,

I remember being an angry young man at 17/18.

What got me out of that, was understanding how the system worked, getting a job and working hard.

Two or three years later, I was in one of best universities in England and had 30,000 from my investments.

That's the key to helping young people.

Employment + Financial Education.

But once again; I stress you can't tell some people this. It just won't work.

I was usually the only young Irish person on building sites when I was working for a couple of years for university. Surrounded by pretty much every nationality apart from my own. There were older guys who were Irish, but very very few under the age of 30.

It's a two way thing. You have to have opportunities AND willpower/motivation to work.

One without the other is useless.

I believe this is still a 1st world country. I see plenty of jobs in the Job Centres of England. My student friends from Lithuania and Latvia have no difficulties finding jobs while at college or after they get their degrees. They're practically fending off job offers.

That points to the burden of blame resting on the shoulders of the English youths themselves.

The problem when you talk about people improving themselves that on the estates of Tottenham the people with the money and the respect are the guys in gangs. There is a total lack of respect for much of what most people consider normal.

How do you solve that problem, years and decades of deprivation both social and economic means that it can't really be solved."

Actually I believe it can be solved at a stroke by introducing drug legalisation in specific areas, and bringing in government supplied and quality controlled drugs.

That cuts the root of the problem.

The next thing you have is a big unemployment problem to solve. Give the drug dealers the opportunity to learn business/economics. Maybe not in the classical sense, but somehow.

Drug dealing is a frictionless market, it's pure Capitalism 101, they already know the basics. These are transferable skills.

As for the addicts. Most of them can be weaned off gradually, but it'll take a decade.

In the meanwhile, get the kids. Educate them *NOBODY LEAVES SCHOOL* until A Levels, get the police to drag them back if necessary, ensure police, teachers and social workers etc have adequate funds for these 'special economic zones' which are different to the rest of the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The problem when you talk about people improving themselves that on the estates of Tottenham the people with the money and the respect are the guys in gangs. There is a total lack of respect for much of what most people consider normal.

How do you solve that problem, years and decades of deprivation both social and economic means that it can't really be solved.

Not to mention that poorer families have also been priced out of higher education. Unless it's mathmatically possible to fund a degree course on child benefit.

No one's knocking hard work but as the above post shows, problems are also social."

Who are the role models to the youngsters ?

The local gang leaders ?

Gangsta rap stars ?

Or Marley..Springsteen..Kriss Akabusi..

Community leaders ?

The songs by the Specials ?

Just trying to understand..tho Im being slightly disengenious in truth...but interested..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?"

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading tudor history,has taught me many things,and that is...nothing has changed...

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By *uckscouple2007Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

how about turning them into cannon fodder ...

round em up, put em in combats and ship em out to afganistan or even libya .. if they manage to dodge the bullets after say a year or 2 there then they get let off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Actually I believe it can be solved at a stroke by introducing drug legalisation in specific areas, and bringing in government supplied and quality controlled drugs.

That cuts the root of the problem.

"

By specific location do you mean geographically? What would that chieve.

And I don;t mean this to sound patronising (unlike the bollocks being discussed yesterday this is an excellent debate), do you really think that the big gangs in London are limitted to drug dealing crime wise?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reading tudor history,has taught me many things,and that is...nothing has changed..."

Agree...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The problem when you talk about people improving themselves that on the estates of Tottenham the people with the money and the respect are the guys in gangs. There is a total lack of respect for much of what most people consider normal.

How do you solve that problem, years and decades of deprivation both social and economic means that it can't really be solved.

Not to mention that poorer families have also been priced out of higher education. Unless it's mathmatically possible to fund a degree course on child benefit.

No one's knocking hard work but as the above post shows, problems are also social.

Who are the role models to the youngsters ?

The local gang leaders ?

Gangsta rap stars ?

Or Marley..Springsteen..Kriss Akabusi..

Community leaders ?

The songs by the Specials ?

Just trying to understand..tho Im being slightly disengenious in truth...but interested.."

Actually...Inner-city riots, King Kenny at Liverpool and a Tory Goverment making massive cuts... All we need now is The Specials at Number 1 for true 80's revival.

altogether now..*This town..is coming like a ghost town..*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thankyou ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The problem when you talk about people improving themselves that on the estates of Tottenham the people with the money and the respect are the guys in gangs. There is a total lack of respect for much of what most people consider normal.

How do you solve that problem, years and decades of deprivation both social and economic means that it can't really be solved.

Not to mention that poorer families have also been priced out of higher education. Unless it's mathmatically possible to fund a degree course on child benefit.

No one's knocking hard work but as the above post shows, problems are also social.

Who are the role models to the youngsters ?

The local gang leaders ?

Gangsta rap stars ?

Or Marley..Springsteen..Kriss Akabusi..

Community leaders ?

The songs by the Specials ?

Just trying to understand..tho Im being slightly disengenious in truth...but interested..

Actually...Inner-city riots, King Kenny at Liverpool and a Tory Goverment making massive cuts... All we need now is The Specials at Number 1 for true 80's revival.

altogether now..*This town..is coming like a ghost town..*"

Wheels within wheels fer sure..

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

This subject will go on and on, and so to will all the arguments, good and bad.

But fundamental errors have been made on all sides. From what I heard on the various media over the weekend, the original protest on Saturday in Tottenham, was then hijacked by those from outside the area who just wish to stir up hatred and push their cause.

Local youths in Tottenham were saying a lot of the rioters, they didn't even know, they were outsiders.

But one thread was emerging from the local churchmen, community leaders and so on, that the local rioters are of a culture which has no respect of the Police; invariably they lack a father, someone who can provide guidance.

Another common _iewpoint was that due to Government cuts, local Youth services have been decimated or taken away altogether. Yet, the Government still hands out billions of £'s in Foreign Aid, yet doesn't look after its own people first.

But there also has to be a level of respect shown by all those involved in criminal acts. They publicly say they want recognition and want respect. Yeah maybe, but they have to show it too, to earn it. It's a too way street.

The other big problem is the "British reserve!" The Police and other law enforcement services are often ham-strung by red tape, Health & Safety, and the ever present "ambulance chasing lawyers" who see a case of "Compo" because a copper looked at their clients in a bad way, let alone striking them!

In other countries, people such as these ciminals masquerading as avenging their shot "brother" woulkd ahve had Water Cannons, turned on them; rubber or plastic bullets fired into them or even been doused in tear gas.

We're too soft; we're too namby pamby; if they use missiles at the Police, let the Police answer back in kind. They did it in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles and that was British soil, so the precedent has been set. The Met Police should act robustly and the courts should not be tied to ineffective laws.

Those opunished should be told, "you're going to prison, but it hasn't been built yet. you'll do the building and until it is ready you can live in tents for as long as it takes until it is ready. If you attempt to run away, you will be shot! Simples!

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

Go into any;

B&Q....Tesco....Asda....Homebase...

Half the staff are folk that a few years ago would have been retired, now they are being employed on a part time basis often at the expense of jobs for young people...

For the cost of employing a 22 year old on a full time basis, with full pension plan rights, holiday pay, maternity and paternity pay, sick pay etc. etc.....you can get Three or Four 68 year olds on part time hours with very little rights or job benefits.

It's time that retired people were adequately catered for financially so that we can once again open up the job markets to young people who need a purpose in life.

That might be a start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The media will influence anything they think is to your benefit ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Harringey is the borough.

And it's not just about black and white as Harringey is one of the poorest boroughs in london and children from all backgrounds are affected from poor relations with the police and those in education. Cuts to youth service in the area haven't helped. The problem is people are not listening to each other on both sides.

I'm not an authority on the subject. I just grew up there.

I know, I see whites and asians on the news footage too. But it's hard to critique an area with a large black population in London if you're white, for fear of being labelled racist for bringing a problem to attention. At that point, your solutions become politics, and that will interfere with everything you do from then on.

Fundamentally, all such problems are caused by a mixture of politics/economics, but it is also true that similar circumstances are often met with very different reactions. e.g. we don't have riots in Japan despite the calamity they faced.

You might not consider yourself an authority on the subject, but you're probably one of the best placed people on the forum to give an opinion.

Me, I can have my opinion, but I'm from Ireland and I hardly know anything about England let alone London, so my ideas count for less. I mean, I know what tourists know, but nothing deeper, no tacit knowledge as it's called.

What about introducing police officers to young children in schools. Just to show they're humans, not some apparently malevolent force hanging over the horizon.

And what is the scale of the drug problem? Is it as bad as the Bronx or Baltimore in the USA?"

Officers in schools has been done. It's the relationship in the streets that's the issue. Intense gang culture in certain areas.

There are a lot of opportunists in these riots and I don't like it anymore than anyone here but if you treat people like animals, eventually they'll act like animals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

"

So a changed attitude to entrepreneurship solves record levels of youth unemployment?

How are you going to do that? Turn Wembley Stadium into Dragon's Den and have Duncan Bannatyne and his mates saying "I'm oot" over the tannoy.

And speaking of tax levels who is it that's in government at the moment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes they will...and im sure it will spread...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject will go on and on, and so to will all the arguments, good and bad.

But fundamental errors have been made on all sides. From what I heard on the various media over the weekend, the original protest on Saturday in Tottenham, was then hijacked by those from outside the area who just wish to stir up hatred and push their cause.

Local youths in Tottenham were saying a lot of the rioters, they didn't even know, they were outsiders.

But one thread was emerging from the local churchmen, community leaders and so on, that the local rioters are of a culture which has no respect of the Police; invariably they lack a father, someone who can provide guidance.

Another common _iewpoint was that due to Government cuts, local Youth services have been decimated or taken away altogether. Yet, the Government still hands out billions of £'s in Foreign Aid, yet doesn't look after its own people first.

But there also has to be a level of respect shown by all those involved in criminal acts. They publicly say they want recognition and want respect. Yeah maybe, but they have to show it too, to earn it. It's a too way street.

The other big problem is the "British reserve!" The Police and other law enforcement services are often ham-strung by red tape, Health & Safety, and the ever present "ambulance chasing lawyers" who see a case of "Compo" because a copper looked at their clients in a bad way, let alone striking them!

In other countries, people such as these ciminals masquerading as avenging their shot "brother" woulkd ahve had Water Cannons, turned on them; rubber or plastic bullets fired into them or even been doused in tear gas.

We're too soft; we're too namby pamby; if they use missiles at the Police, let the Police answer back in kind. They did it in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles and that was British soil, so the precedent has been set. The Met Police should act robustly and the courts should not be tied to ineffective laws.

Those opunished should be told, "you're going to prison, but it hasn't been built yet. you'll do the building and until it is ready you can live in tents for as long as it takes until it is ready. If you attempt to run away, you will be shot! Simples!"

The precedent was Toxteth....Willie Whitelaw gave the nod fer tear gas to be used on mainland Britain...

Seems alot of the messages on Blackberry messenger were about a young girl being brutally beaten by coppers...memories revived..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Actually I believe it can be solved at a stroke by introducing drug legalisation in specific areas, and bringing in government supplied and quality controlled drugs.

That cuts the root of the problem.

By specific location do you mean geographically? What would that chieve.

And I don;t mean this to sound patronising (unlike the bollocks being discussed yesterday this is an excellent debate), do you really think that the big gangs in London are limitted to drug dealing crime wise?"

Well of course the big gangs have more than 1 source of revenue. They are diversifying where they can, they're investors, capitalists, not stupid people, the stupid people got wasted along the way.

However, the drug trade is an important source of revenue. Other things they are more cyclical in nature, whereas the drug trade is much more sticky in economic terminology. For a drug addict, the drugs take presence over food, so that demand is inelastic, which makes it uber-powerful.

Basically, if you snap off this source of revenue, you can position the police force to give the rest of their operations some serious kung foo! Knock them back permanently.

Just as importantly, you throttle any potential gang members coming up the line. The distribution network for drugs also transports weapons, information and illegals, so that weakening this network will hurt the rest.

Drugs make their other operations less risky in some sense.

Lastly;

Yes I mean geographically. You are making special economic zones.

It's analogous to using fire to burn flammable material in front of a bush fire. When the bush fire reaches the ground ahead, it burns out because it lacks food and oxygen.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

I also meant to say in my other post above, that here in Hull, Youth Unemployment is over 25%, the worst in the entire UK.

We also have the highest level of Unemployment for any city outside of London.

Where are the rioters here? Where are the disaffected youth? Yes, we have our fair share of crime, anti-social behaviour etc, but no-one up here falls back to riotous behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Situational force...

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"I also meant to say in my other post above, that here in Hull, Youth Unemployment is over 25%, the worst in the entire UK.

We also have the highest level of Unemployment for any city outside of London.

Where are the rioters here? Where are the disaffected youth? Yes, we have our fair share of crime, anti-social behaviour etc, but no-one up here falls back to riotous behaviour.

"

......YET!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol just give it time....it will if drastic changes are not made in this country...

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

read this, found it amusing..


"The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV"

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By *entscotscplCouple
over a year ago

falkirk ish

its a vast assylum we live in today

the pc brigade have a lot to answer to

the youth off today have no respect for anyone especialy them selves

the goings on in london at the mo is dispicable there is no reason nor excuse for this

is it not time these animals were shown a lesson as in being washed down the street with water cannon

and the gobs aka the mouth pieces

being taken up a close and have the shite battered out with the respectable

citizens off that area

they are animals and need to be teated as such

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Years of overt institutionalised racism....thrown into the back of a van..held fer 3 days....beaten and oppressed...yep ...history shows us beating people works...

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"where is the alleged leader of this country...when all this is going on..i wonder...some exclusive carribean island somewhere ??????

He's in Italy not tipping waitresses and making it alright.

Boris is also noticable in his absence.

Pair of useless fuckers."

Well if one of the wanker fire starting robbing dickheads had bothered to poke them or added them as friends on facebook, may be they would have got an earlier flight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

reports on sky say that a number of premises in birmingham have been attacked and ppl are looting

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Let them eat cake...as quoted by marie antoinette.."

she never actually said it ,it was an early bit of propaganda to help kick off the population.

But i cant believe the forces cant deal with a bunch of kids and headers,running amock .I think the health and safety fuckers have so tied the hands of the law now they cant even deal with this in strength ,time for the riot act to be read and if necessary marshal law to be declared with a curfew.

Being in a riot zone is dangerous so if you get a rifle but in the jaw hey bad luck ,i am normally very temperate by nature but this is now taking the piss.

We cant afford it for one thing and the poor people losing there property and put at risk ,its shocking and disgusting .

shame on the wankers !!!

and good luck to the cops I hope they all remain safe tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a strong community couldve stamped this out on day one.

but theres no such thing these days. way to much division.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She maybe did not say it...but ask yrself what caused the french revolution ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"a strong community couldve stamped this out on day one.

but theres no such thing these days. way to much division.

"

Are you atempting a serious point...instead of flamimg the thread..

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By *ombshellWoman
over a year ago

islington

duno whoes to blame, just know its only a mile from me at the mo and getting closer grrrrrrrr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bomb- can you assure me The Island Queen pub is safe?

If you can't I'm not sure what I will do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol flaming? what? course its a serious point.

u cant fight these guys from the outside. its an inside job thats why the police never get close

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol so the mayor is returning early...hip hip hooray...i dont think so ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"duno whoes to blame, just know its only a mile from me at the mo and getting closer grrrrrrrr "

It is thankfully moving away from me, but was scary earlier. Hopefully it will disperse before it reaches you.

I have friends on Clarence road where much of the trouble is now centred. They have sent me pictures of crazy shit going on outside their window!

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"lol so the mayor is returning early...hip hip hooray...i dont think so .."

It will be a bloody miracle if the clown gets re elected, anyone worth their salt would have been on the first plane home.

He will doubtless make a joke about it...in his unique way of handling politics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

once again applaud ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

So a changed attitude to entrepreneurship solves record levels of youth unemployment?

How are you going to do that? Turn Wembley Stadium into Dragon's Den and have Duncan Bannatyne and his mates saying "I'm oot" over the tannoy.

And speaking of tax levels who is it that's in government at the moment?"

Yes.

It doesn't happen overnight. But yes.

As for the current tax levels, it's a travesty they're so high, I don't much care whether it's a Labour or Conservative government which lowers them.

Lower taxes promote higher social mobility which reduces unemployment.

This isn't some right-wing bullshit, it's basic economics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

America, for all it's problems, will have better economic growth than the UK, because it's better at absorbing shocks than we are. This is because of lower taxes. No other reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just sit back and watch the media,along with their spin doctors manipulate things..it will happen,be under no illusion..

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol


"What a strange question! Of course it's the idiots who think it's OK to voice their displeasure with violence and destruction.

*Her*

I was in Queens Square t`other day...a history of riots..1831 esp...

Idiots ? "

I'm really not sure what relevance that has to this thread where idiots (yes, idiots) are rioting for the sake of rioting when half of them likely don't even understand why.

If you want to quantify your statement, i'll happily respond.

*Her*

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"just sit back and watch the media,along with their spin doctors manipulate things..it will happen,be under no illusion.."

How can they manipulate live images of people rioting exactly??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you see what you want to see...i trust you are listening to the media ...

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By *entscotscplCouple
over a year ago

falkirk ish

as we said in our post the pc brigade ffs

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"you see what you want to see...i trust you are listening to the media ..."

I see what is happening LIVE!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

So a changed attitude to entrepreneurship solves record levels of youth unemployment?

How are you going to do that? Turn Wembley Stadium into Dragon's Den and have Duncan Bannatyne and his mates saying "I'm oot" over the tannoy.

And speaking of tax levels who is it that's in government at the moment?

Yes.

It doesn't happen overnight. But yes.

As for the current tax levels, it's a travesty they're so high, I don't much care whether it's a Labour or Conservative government which lowers them.

Lower taxes promote higher social mobility which reduces unemployment.

This isn't some right-wing bullshit, it's basic economics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

America, for all it's problems, will have better economic growth than the UK, because it's better at absorbing shocks than we are. This is because of lower taxes. No other reason."

I'm fairly familiar with Economics having a degree in it.

Can you explain why the party of enterprise aren't lowering them if it's that simple?

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"just sit back and watch the media,along with their spin doctors manipulate things..it will happen,be under no illusion..

How can they manipulate live images of people rioting exactly?? "

I must also tell you that we never visited the moon...

Good to know xD

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"lol flaming? what? course its a serious point.

u cant fight these guys from the outside. its an inside job thats why the police never get close "

Community relations....think yer right....as someone else said no ones talking..

Mind you as someone said yesterday, the community quite rightly distrusts the Met with a vengenance..

The Met and other Police forces have a history of lying and fabricating evidence..especially regarding deaths involving the Police..hard to rebuild that trust..

To my mind...the Met needs a major overhaul....endemic corruption and inept management..

Vigilantism has its perils...

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lol ...like it ..

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"as we said in our post the pc brigade ffs"

Police Constables?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"just sit back and watch the media,along with their spin doctors manipulate things..it will happen,be under no illusion..

How can they manipulate live images of people rioting exactly??

I must also tell you that we never visited the moon...

Good to know xD"

What the hell has that statement got to do with what I said about seeing LIVE images of what is going on???

PS - Please make it a short answer as I usually get bored with reading your long winded replies and give up (no offence meant though) - Thanks for your co-operation!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now we are going to blame social networking sites...god help us all lol ..

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

Nice to see the current Mayor of London refuses to cut short his holiday.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

So a changed attitude to entrepreneurship solves record levels of youth unemployment?

How are you going to do that? Turn Wembley Stadium into Dragon's Den and have Duncan Bannatyne and his mates saying "I'm oot" over the tannoy.

And speaking of tax levels who is it that's in government at the moment?

Yes.

It doesn't happen overnight. But yes.

As for the current tax levels, it's a travesty they're so high, I don't much care whether it's a Labour or Conservative government which lowers them.

Lower taxes promote higher social mobility which reduces unemployment.

This isn't some right-wing bullshit, it's basic economics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

America, for all it's problems, will have better economic growth than the UK, because it's better at absorbing shocks than we are. This is because of lower taxes. No other reason.

I'm fairly familiar with Economics having a degree in it.

Can you explain why the party of enterprise aren't lowering them if it's that simple?

"

Once a system is addicted to government slavish amounts of government money, it becomes self reinforcing, in the manner similar to kickbacks and bribes in 3rd world economies.

Over 50% of GDP is in the hands of the government. This interferes with the natural order of a market to the extent which it is painful to back down.

It's a structural problem. The public sector has the ability to make work automagically appear because it's not under the pressures of natural selection that private businesses are.

Esstentially; we require reforms on a level never seen before in UK history. Similar to the level of reform backed by Augusto Pinochet.

We'll have riots in the streets on a much bigger scale than now. But there is no other option now but to give a shock to the system. I don't think there's enough time in a democratically elected government to create such a drastic sea change.

I doubt you'll like what you're hearing, but that's how I see the state of affairs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

send in the SAS and the gurkhus they will sort them out

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

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"She maybe did not say it...but ask yrself what caused the french revolution ????"

thats what i meant when i said it was propaganda.

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Combat 18 would bring a bit of peace and harmony...

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

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Maybe when you get out of University and do a stint in the real world you might see that not everything can be explained away by what is in a text book.

No disrespect meant here but the world is bigger than a book...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She maybe did not say it...but ask yrself what caused the french revolution ????

thats what i meant when i said it was propaganda."

unless she spoke excellent English she actually said

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

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"Combat 18 would bring a bit of peace and harmony... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"just sit back and watch the media,along with their spin doctors manipulate things..it will happen,be under no illusion..

How can they manipulate live images of people rioting exactly??

I must also tell you that we never visited the moon...

Good to know xD

What the hell has that statement got to do with what I said about seeing LIVE images of what is going on???

PS - Please make it a short answer as I usually get bored with reading your long winded replies and give up (no offence meant though) - Thanks for your co-operation! "

You're developing some conspiracy theory. If you don't want to read my posts, I do believe it's a free country.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nice to see the current Mayor of London refuses to cut short his holiday....."

Our own erstwhile Nero..fiddling while Rome burns..

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over a year ago


"Maybe when you get out of University and do a stint in the real world you might see that not everything can be explained away by what is in a text book.

No disrespect meant here but the world is bigger than a book..."

Using my age, is as cheap a shot, as it would be for me to be using your age to infer that you're out of touch.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Does anyone really believe the vast majority of the dickheads out on the street had previously been sitting at home distraught at the lack of prospects to earn a decent, honest living in their local community, after working so hard to gain a good education and gaining work experience through voluntary community projects….. like bollox were they.

I don’t for one minute dismiss the issues which do exists in disadvantaged areas. The sad thing is, these dickheads will use whatever excuse they hear someone else explaining as their justification to go out, kick off and commit crime.

Reporters today watched grown adult white men sending gangs of kids into shops to burgle and ransack. That’s really going to encourage businesses to invest and create jobs in the community isn’t it? …. and fuck all to do with protest over the initial incident.

Lowlife 'the world owes me a dream on a plate' gangster idolising pricks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thankyou...i dont pretend to be a precise interlectuall...but i do know my history..

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"just sit back and watch the media,along with their spin doctors manipulate things..it will happen,be under no illusion..

How can they manipulate live images of people rioting exactly??

I must also tell you that we never visited the moon...

Good to know xD

What the hell has that statement got to do with what I said about seeing LIVE images of what is going on???

PS - Please make it a short answer as I usually get bored with reading your long winded replies and give up (no offence meant though) - Thanks for your co-operation!

You're developing some conspiracy theory. If you don't want to read my posts, I do believe it's a free country."

I did say I only read the short ones, I like people to get to the point without all the waffle that goes along with the longer posts on here, no conspiracy theory though, sorry!

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over a year ago

I see as you see it ...worse to come ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see as you see it ...worse to come .."

Hit the quote button at the bottom of the post yer replying to Suzy...it`ll help to join things up lol..

Just a suggestion

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"Maybe when you get out of University and do a stint in the real world you might see that not everything can be explained away by what is in a text book.

No disrespect meant here but the world is bigger than a book...

Using my age, is as cheap a shot, as it would be for me to be using your age to infer that you're out of touch."

Not your age....the fact that you are still at University studying, you will see when you are out in the real world that things are not always so straight forward....

And I am speaking as someone who also had a fine education, and a good profession, and my own business to this present day....In short the REAL world that I entered into when I finished education.

And it was a shock at times.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

So a changed attitude to entrepreneurship solves record levels of youth unemployment?

How are you going to do that? Turn Wembley Stadium into Dragon's Den and have Duncan Bannatyne and his mates saying "I'm oot" over the tannoy.

And speaking of tax levels who is it that's in government at the moment?

Yes.

It doesn't happen overnight. But yes.

As for the current tax levels, it's a travesty they're so high, I don't much care whether it's a Labour or Conservative government which lowers them.

Lower taxes promote higher social mobility which reduces unemployment.

This isn't some right-wing bullshit, it's basic economics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

America, for all it's problems, will have better economic growth than the UK, because it's better at absorbing shocks than we are. This is because of lower taxes. No other reason.

I'm fairly familiar with Economics having a degree in it.

Can you explain why the party of enterprise aren't lowering them if it's that simple?

Once a system is addicted to government slavish amounts of government money, it becomes self reinforcing, in the manner similar to kickbacks and bribes in 3rd world economies.

Over 50% of GDP is in the hands of the government. This interferes with the natural order of a market to the extent which it is painful to back down.

It's a structural problem. The public sector has the ability to make work automagically appear because it's not under the pressures of natural selection that private businesses are.

Esstentially; we require reforms on a level never seen before in UK history. Similar to the level of reform backed by Augusto Pinochet.

We'll have riots in the streets on a much bigger scale than now. But there is no other option now but to give a shock to the system. I don't think there's enough time in a democratically elected government to create such a drastic sea change.

I doubt you'll like what you're hearing, but that's how I see the state of affairs."

your working under the assumption that there is an excuse ,there is no excuse for this feral behaviour and challenging the law ,yeah we all saw it building the kids chucked on the heap,no hope ,no patience ,more like they want it and want it now ...

fuck they should of seen the youth of the mid 40s to 50s wearing cardboard shoes issued by the local newspapers if they want to see it rough.

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lol thankyou...people with sense xx

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"I see as you see it ...worse to come ..

Hit the quote button at the bottom of the post yer replying to Suzy...it`ll help to join things up lol..

Just a suggestion "

I was gonna suggest the same, it's a wee bit confusing trying to work out who the replies are to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see as you see it ...worse to come .."

can you reply to posts using the quote function please. Sometimes I'm not sure who you're talking to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Combat 18 would bring a bit of peace and harmony... "

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over a year ago


"I see as you see it ...worse to come ..

can you reply to posts using the quote function please. Sometimes I'm not sure who you're talking to? "

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sorry ..hope i got it right this time lol..

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"lol thankyou...people with sense xx"

You're welcome...

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Blame it on the Boogie

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple
over a year ago

horwich

I just hope that none of the fireman get hurt whilst dealing with the carnage.

I hope no innocent people are in those houses whilst they burn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"sorry ..hope i got it right this time lol.."

hahaha ...nope tehe ...try again ....right at the bottom ...bowt halfway ...says +quote

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"sorry ..hope i got it right this time lol..

hahaha ...nope tehe ...try again ....right at the bottom ...bowt halfway ...says +quote "

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over a year ago

yes i hope i did that lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excuse me but WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN LONDON right now?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"yes i hope i did that lol x"

It helps if you also type your own message under the post you have quoted.

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple
over a year ago

horwich


"Excuse me but WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN LONDON right now?

"

It's burning darlin. And I'm getting mad

Scarlett

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes i hope i did that lol x"

Once you hit the quote button ...the post yer replying will come up...then scroll down a little..type yer reply and hit send.....

Took me a while s`well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i wanna walk into the heart of those rioters and kick some fucking ass!!!

so sick of hearing about this shit now

call in the army and wipe the floor with these pieces of shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i wanna walk into the heart of those rioters and kick some fucking ass!!!

so sick of hearing about this shit now

call in the army and wipe the floor with these pieces of shit "

+1

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Are you seriously suggesting that with youth unemployment figures at record highs of 20.5% even in February this year that these folks are all out of work voluntarily?

A cursory search on Google has headlines like "UK Youth Unemployment: Don't Leave These Kids to Rot" from such left wing sources as....The Daily Mail.

But no problemo you say?

There is certainly a problem. It's with the British attitude to entrepreneurship.

You treat your entrepreneurs like shit. You really really do. I know this because I've had my ear wore off by two of them telling about their experiences.

The government is taxing the fuck out of the small businessman in this country. It's absolutely insane.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfI3YxzwGtg

This is one of the more fundamental problems facing your country.

So a changed attitude to entrepreneurship solves record levels of youth unemployment?

How are you going to do that? Turn Wembley Stadium into Dragon's Den and have Duncan Bannatyne and his mates saying "I'm oot" over the tannoy.

And speaking of tax levels who is it that's in government at the moment?

Yes.

It doesn't happen overnight. But yes.

As for the current tax levels, it's a travesty they're so high, I don't much care whether it's a Labour or Conservative government which lowers them.

Lower taxes promote higher social mobility which reduces unemployment.

This isn't some right-wing bullshit, it's basic economics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

America, for all it's problems, will have better economic growth than the UK, because it's better at absorbing shocks than we are. This is because of lower taxes. No other reason."

For Someone who is at university, you do talk some bollocks. This government, and also the US government are backed into a corner by the huge amount of debts they owe. They cannot cut taxes very much, if at all, because they have to reduce the deficits. Stocks markets, the bond markets and the rating agencys will not accept either government not seriously attempting to reduce their defecits. And one of the major ways they do this is to cut expediture and raise taxes.

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over a year ago


"yes i hope i did that lol x

Once you hit the quote button ...the post yer replying will come up...then scroll down a little..type yer reply and hit send.....

Took me a while s`well "

SuzyQ! SuzyQ everywhere! :O

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"yes i hope i did that lol x

Once you hit the quote button ...the post yer replying will come up...then scroll down a little..type yer reply and hit send.....

Took me a while s`well

SuzyQ! SuzyQ everywhere! :O"

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Combat 18 would bring a bit of peace and harmony... "

You joke but I'm hearing stories of Turkish gangs gathering in Stoke newington, less than a mile from the trouble here, it will turn in to a battlefield if they head down.

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over a year ago

thats funny lol xx

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

the fuck tards who are breaking the law

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By *rT30Man
over a year ago

Munster

I may not be British but i think this is only the beginning of more to come as regards riots and violence.

People in Europe in general are sick to there stomach of all the bullshit and depression in the world.

For years a Politically Correct culture has reigned in Europe and finally people have snapped.

Britan is just the start.

Its anger boiling over finally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For Someone who is at university, you do talk some bollocks. This government, and also the US government are backed into a corner by the huge amount of debts they owe. They cannot cut taxes very much, if at all, because they have to reduce the deficits. Stocks markets, the bond markets and the rating agencys will not accept either government not seriously attempting to reduce their defecits. And one of the major ways they do this is to cut expediture and raise taxes. "

I thought China owned about a third of the states now anyway?

And there are no excuses for whats going on in London.

NONE.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thankyou...my point precisely..

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

Cameron on way home from hols bet he is pissed off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For Someone who is at university, you do talk some bollocks. This government, and also the US government are backed into a corner by the huge amount of debts they owe. They cannot cut taxes very much, if at all, because they have to reduce the deficits. Stocks markets, the bond markets and the rating agencys will not accept either government not seriously attempting to reduce their defecits. And one of the major ways they do this is to cut expediture and raise taxes. "

That's the short term picture. If you look to history, you'll there is no occasion in which government cut backs since WWII has been in terms of real GDP. So; the size of government as a portion of the economy has continually increased and increased.

This cannot go on forever or the system will break in the same manner as the Soviet Union did.

I'm aware the majority opinion in England is the same as yours, but I believe you are incorrect.

The banks should have been let alone to bust. If they had, we'd have suffered a short, sharp recession, and then we would have grown afterwards. Natural Selection is an inherent part of Capitalism.

I'm sure you've heard of "Privatizing profits and socializing losses". It has not been administrated recently, which is why both socialists and capitalists are pissed off at it. Only the middle ground has contented to let this slip by, because people have become profoundly ignorant of how the System works. They've forgotten basic rules.

The trouble with the government making 'exceptions', is eventually those exceptions become the norm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS Suzy, learn to use the Quote button!!!

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"thankyou...my point precisely.."

Who is that for?

When you quote someone you can type your own message below theirs and by below I don't mean in a new post.

You type your own message in the same window that opens when you push the "quote button"

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By *rT30Man
over a year ago

Munster

Sometimes violence is the only way to make poiliticans and the elite class in general stand up and listen.

We have been lied to about everything for years and years and now it is has come to a head.

They will have to bring in the army soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"FFS Suzy, learn to use the Quote button!!! "

Easy ..easy....not all of us are computer savvy.....a little support and tolerance.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

shes just doin it on purpose now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sometimes violence is the only way to make poiliticans and the elite class in general stand up and listen.

We have been lied to about everything for years and years and now it is has come to a head.

They will have to bring in the army soon."

I got news Galway.

The politicians and so called elites don't really control the system, it's more as if they float on top of it, like cream or scum or whatever you like.

You have to change opinions of regular folk if you want lasting change. IMHO!

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"

That's the short term picture. If you look to history, you'll there is no occasion in which government cut backs since WWII has been in terms of real GDP. So; the size of government as a portion of the economy has continually increased and increased.

"

i dont know where your getting your facts but debt vs gdp in this country just post war was 250% in the 60s it dropped to an average of 49.7% where it stayed until the banking crisis this year it is tipped to be 59.9%

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By *rT30Man
over a year ago

Munster

Perhaps your wright.

The riots have gotten there attention if nothing else.

Can anyone honestly say they have never thought of doing the exact same thing at times?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the people rioting are not protesting.....

they are having a great laugh, a fucking hoot and earning kudos amongst their peer group.

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By *rT30Man
over a year ago

Munster

Perhaps.

But something tells me it is more organised than people think

Perhaps i am wrong!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the people rioting are not protesting.....

they are having a great laugh, a fucking hoot and earning kudos amongst their peer group.

"

+1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is to blame? Every single monkey see monkey do moron who is joining in. There is no cause other than wanton participation for the hell of it.

I doubt any of the yobs has thought for one second about why they are doing it. They are in a fervour of destruction for no other reason than the thrill of it.

Sure the world is in a crazy state of economic misery but a lot more of us being REALLY affected by this are not going out rioting.

If I had a sniff of suspicion thats where my kid was this evening they'd not see the light of day again.

Discipline is in the home. Too many parents say 'cya love' and dont know what the hell their child is doing from when they leave the house to when they return again and thats the bottom line.

As for the moronic 'adults' joining in these are the ones looking after us in our old age. Anyone for euthanasia?

Disclaimer: I'm not rioting Im a taxpayer picking up the pieces. I'm entitled to express my opinion of disgust.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the people rioting are not protesting.....

they are having a great laugh, a fucking hoot and earning kudos amongst their peer group.

+1"
thats yr opinion..others will have theirs ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bull I think the problem with using the Army is that they are trained for killing, not civil disorder. The last thing we need is another Bloody Sunday

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the people rioting are not protesting.....

they are having a great laugh, a fucking hoot and earning kudos amongst their peer group.

of course peoples opinions are expressed on this thread, thats the point of the forum..

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"more riots erupted today

who is to blame"

The people rioting - who else is there to blame?

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