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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments?" It's a lie. They are given help for one night but after that they are on their own. | |||
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"I had 1 demand a quid a few weeks back that was his 1st mistake " I know a street begger. He makes £60 an hour on a good day. | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments? It's a lie. They are given help for one night but after that they are on their own. " Really? So why the pretence? | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments? It's a lie. They are given help for one night but after that they are on their own. Really? So why the pretence?" I don't know why the pretence to be honest. I just know it's a lie. A rough sleeper told me it's a lie. | |||
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"A local man here,begs on the streets,and drinks with the money he begs,then sleeps rough,but i know for a fact he has a counsil flat,but prefers to sleep on the streets." You should divorce him | |||
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"A local man here,begs on the streets,and drinks with the money he begs,then sleeps rough,but i know for a fact he has a counsil flat,but prefers to sleep on the streets." In Derby there a few people who prefer to sleep on the streets, or have been evicted from social shelter schemes due to their behaviour stemming from drug/alcohol problems. Most of them spend all day tapping up enough money for their next bag of Mamba or can of strong cider/lager. It's sad to see, but it's a way of life for them. I live in a Salvation Army Housing Association flat and last year there were about 12 empty flats in our complex. I gave their number to several street dwellers in the vain hope that they could get a roof over their head, but only one of them actually bothered to ring up and enquire about it, he is now doing ok and we have become quite good mates. During the winter months there is a different church open every night that provides food & shelter, but as I said previously, some prefer to doss in doorways | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments?" They're not alowed into shelters pissed/high. For most thats the long and the short of it | |||
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"A local man here,begs on the streets,and drinks with the money he begs,then sleeps rough,but i know for a fact he has a counsil flat,but prefers to sleep on the streets." We used to have one like that, frank the skank, if he went home his misses used to make him literally sleep in the doghouse. Twenty years ago we only had 3 bums, frank the skank, little arthur and dirty old roger. Now we seem to have a bum in every doorway, all in contact with eachother via mobile phone, huddled around the cashpoints and fast food shops at the weekend. | |||
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"A local man here,begs on the streets,and drinks with the money he begs,then sleeps rough,but i know for a fact he has a counsil flat,but prefers to sleep on the streets. We used to have one like that, frank the skank, if he went home his misses used to make him literally sleep in the doghouse. Twenty years ago we only had 3 bums, frank the skank, little arthur and dirty old roger. Now we seem to have a bum in every doorway, all in contact with eachother via mobile phone, huddled around the cashpoints and fast food shops at the weekend." That's my problem with rough sleepers is that they do hang about cash points and shops. I'm sure that they can make some people feel intimidated. And like someone above said, they all seem to have mobile phones. Probably more modern than mine! | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments?" Why should you feel guilty? Feel concerned or sorry, perhaps even worried for them, but guilty... Volunteer at a homeless shelter, go door to to asking for donations such as old blankets or sleeping bags... there are a number of ways to help without giving money. | |||
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"Ok, I never ever give money. I always ask them how they are and if they are hungry or thirsty. I then buy them food and drinks. I've also bought a guy a coat from a charity shop as it was freezing and he was so cold. Councils spout this crap about enough homeless shelters- there isn't. I used to work somewhere where homeless people used to come to to ask for help, and I could never find them spaces in hostels So my advice to all is- they are human beings with basic needs, say hello don't ignore them and if you can buy them a cuppa a dsinething to eat x" | |||
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" THESE ARE HUMANS AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE ALL HAVE OUR PROBLEMS TO LESSER OR GREATER DEGREES. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE MONEY. GIVE THEM AN HELLO SHOW THEM THEY ARENT INVISIBLE. " You are officially my favourite person of the day now x | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments? It's a lie. They are given help for one night but after that they are on their own. Really? So why the pretence?" Our society is built upon pretence - enabled by the wealthy. | |||
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"i dont know how the housing system works but it did make me wonder after the london fire how a lot of homes were found - i know some were hotel rooms and such but a lot were re homed - so were these homes empty and ready for people to move into - if so why when the list for people needing homes is supposed to be so long - just passing thoughts in my head " Does make you wonder how they found so many so quickly. They did buy them back off the developer and will be fitted out as council rather than luxury apartments though if there is a housing crisis, rather than developers only building a few for social tenants it seems the Govt does have ways and means to create housing. | |||
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"Some awful attitudes shown here towards people who sleep rough. " ^ I know shocked that people on here can be so callous. I guess they are all me me me, they should watch the true story of "A Streetcat named Bob" and see how some homeless people get treated, spat at and abused in the street. I would not swap places with anyone at -2 degrees in January and lie on a pavement, these people slagging them off are dicks | |||
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"I had 1 demand a quid a few weeks back that was his 1st mistake " ^ what did you do beat him up? How manly you are! | |||
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"Where I work, they damage property, shit on business door steps, ask for £1, if you give it to them they then ask for more, if you say no they then call you every name under the sun. They swear at you if you buy them food, they throw food all over the place... I could go on..." So because a few of them have anti-social tendencies, you tarnish them all with the same brush? I work and live in London and there are a huge amount of homeless people who are respectful. Unfortunately, attitudes like this mean that those treated like the "dregs of society" sometimes act like it. | |||
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"Where I work, they damage property, shit on business door steps, ask for £1, if you give it to them they then ask for more, if you say no they then call you every name under the sun. They swear at you if you buy them food, they throw food all over the place... I could go on... So because a few of them have anti-social tendencies, you tarnish them all with the same brush? I work and live in London and there are a huge amount of homeless people who are respectful. Unfortunately, attitudes like this mean that those treated like the "dregs of society" sometimes act like it. " I will alway be polite to people no matter their background or circumstances until they give reason to not to. Years ago I would have given some money or buy a hot drink etc in the winter but not now. I suppose the actions of a few have spoilt it for the many. However many are abusive whether you give them money or not, they argue over who has the best smart phone, argue of drugs, argue over where to stay in Blackpool when they go for their Christmas drink up. They regularly smash the flower pots outside a restaurant and shit on the doir step as they use to sleep on the steps when it was empty. One case of explosive diarrhoea up the wall of another restaurant. Telling people "I don't want more fucking food I want money." A small case of murder, the list goes on. So to be honest, I congratulate you on being a better human being than me... However I will be sticking to my opinion of the homeless near my place of work... | |||
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"I had 1 demand a quid a few weeks back that was his 1st mistake I know a street begger. He makes £60 an hour on a good day. " And fuck all on a rainy Tuesday in January | |||
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"Where I work, they damage property, shit on business door steps, ask for £1, if you give it to them they then ask for more, if you say no they then call you every name under the sun. They swear at you if you buy them food, they throw food all over the place... I could go on..." thats not everbody now, people who have homes thief demand things damage property, through shitty nappies in carparks many things lets not tar everyone with the same brush | |||
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"We have no homeless people here but i go to 5he next town. I ask what they want. Usually socksm i buy them thermal underwear. Sleeping bags. Food and drink sometimes i can come back and probsbly spent £60 but i dont give them money and i always give them a hug" that is so sweet | |||
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"In my experience very few rough sleepers need to be on the streets but sadly there is very little help for the genuine ones, often becausevof their issues and reluctance to seek help. I never give money. I have bought a sandwich and drink and never had it thrown back at me. Have you ever noticed they have the best behaved dogs in the World?" | |||
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"i dont know how the housing system works but it did make me wonder after the london fire how a lot of homes were found - i know some were hotel rooms and such but a lot were re homed - so were these homes empty and ready for people to move into - if so why when the list for people needing homes is supposed to be so long - just passing thoughts in my head Does make you wonder how they found so many so quickly. They did buy them back off the developer and will be fitted out as council rather than luxury apartments though if there is a housing crisis, rather than developers only building a few for social tenants it seems the Govt does have ways and means to create housing. " They do have ways and means but their right wing ideology is to dismantle the state as much as possible where aimed as a safety net for the masses. Hence why council houses sold off could not have the resultant money used to fund more homes. So far less than 20 people have accepted housing offers from the Grenfell tragedy - I'm sure more would do so, if the offers are appropriate etc. | |||
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"Where I work, they damage property, shit on business door steps, ask for £1, if you give it to them they then ask for more, if you say no they then call you every name under the sun. They swear at you if you buy them food, they throw food all over the place... I could go on... So because a few of them have anti-social tendencies, you tarnish them all with the same brush? I work and live in London and there are a huge amount of homeless people who are respectful. Unfortunately, attitudes like this mean that those treated like the "dregs of society" sometimes act like it. " Replace homeless with Muslim, black, young, single mum, council estate tenant etc...there will always be those who tarnish a whole group of people because of the actions of a few. | |||
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"There are some shocking opinions on here. Not everyone who is homeless has drink, drug or mental health issues - I didn't when I lost everything and ended up homeless. I was fortunate in that I didn't actually spend a night sleeping rough. I had a little money and was able to find a very cheap hostel for a couple of weeks and then went to stay with someone for a while. Most people in this country are only a couple of paydays away from losing their home. The majority don't have enough savings to tide them over if they hit a crisis. Have a little bit of human compassion. IT COULD BE YOU SLEEPING ROUGH IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS IF IT ALL GOES TITS UP!" | |||
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"We have no homeless people here but i go to 5he next town. I ask what they want. Usually socksm i buy them thermal underwear. Sleeping bags. Food and drink sometimes i can come back and probsbly spent £60 but i dont give them money and i always give them a hug" Don't forget to buy them water on a hot day. Its not just the cold that kills. | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments? It's a lie. They are given help for one night but after that they are on their own. " Ermmmmmmmmm ... don't know wether to write LOL or B.S | |||
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"I work in a city centre and there are always what appear to be rough sleepers/ homeless people hanging round outside. My city council says no one needs to be homeless for more than one night and that people should not give them money. I feel guilty each time I walk by but if I gave all of them money, every day, I'd be skint. Thoughts? Answers? Comments? It's a lie. They are given help for one night but after that they are on their own. Ermmmmmmmmm ... don't know wether to write LOL or B.S " might be best to ignore or they will rile your back and you get a ban if reply reply as in general | |||
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"I had 1 demand a quid a few weeks back that was his 1st mistake " really? If he was a genuine rough sleeper I think he'd already made some mistakes?new levels of stooping low if bs about being a tough guy v's a homeless person passes for banter on here? | |||
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"Thing is I've seen a lot of people with dogs,n given money to some,wonder what happens to the animal if they take up what councils may be offering?perhaps they choose to keep the animal n sleep rough?" Some do. | |||
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"I had 1 demand a quid a few weeks back that was his 1st mistake I know a street begger. He makes £60 an hour on a good day. And fuck all on a rainy Tuesday in January" Well i imagine it is seasonal work. | |||
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"It varies feom area to area. Where i currently work there are plenty of people that sleep on the streets through choice. There isnt one that doesnt have a flat or a house, but they prefer to sleep on the street. When I worked in Leeds however there was a large proportion of genuinly homeless people. I used to give them drinks or food instead of money. There was one guy i used to speak to most days who used to be a professor until he had a mental breakdown. Super clever guy. Another guy had been a fellow Officer in my regiment but PTSD had messed him up so bad he couldnt cope with the quietness of a house! THESE ARE HUMANS AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE ALL HAVE OUR PROBLEMS TO LESSER OR GREATER DEGREES. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE MONEY. GIVE THEM AN HELLO SHOW THEM THEY ARENT INVISIBLE. " I totally agree with this. I wasn't going to post my personal story on here, but some of you really do not have a clue as to the reality of the situation. First of all, I come from what would be thought of as a good, middle class family (on the outside) I had a good education and on the face of it, I was a child that was well cared for. I have NEVER taken any illegal substances, I do not even smoke! I like a few glasses of wine, but I am a long way from being an alcoholic or having any dependency issues. I never thought that I would be in the situation I found myself in, never.. I have worked hard all of my life, like i say, I had a good education and I made the most of all the opportunities I was presented with. Approx 6/7 years ago now, I rented a home from a family member. She owned the house. A gorgeous house that I loved. Felt like my own. I don't want to go into the details or reasons as it's not relevant and it's too upsetting, but after a particularly bad disagreement with her, she commenced legal proceedings to get me evicted. Even with all the help from Shelter, she was successful and I was evicted. At the time, I was off work on long term sick due to a particularly severe back problem (prolapsed discs) and depression so finding the money for a new home was extremely difficult to say the least. Throughout the entire process, I communicated with my local authorities and kept them informed and they continued to stipulate that they are not able to help until I am actually homeless. So on the day of eviction, I went to the council and they initially housed me in bed and breakfast accommodation until they were able to assess my needs. I was in the b&b for less than three weeks and despite a letter from my consultant confirming my problems with my back and a 12 page letter from my GP, I was told that I am not 'priority need'. I was stuck and totally and utterly dejected. Fortunately a great friend stepped in and allowed me to stay with her for a short while, I was able to get a rather large loan and found myself a small flat. (It was not ideal as it was not in an ideal area, it was cold and never really home, but it was a roof over my head. I have worked extremely hard to get back on my feet again and have now moved on from there to somewhere I am happier. So please do not judge homeless people and think that they are all d*unks that have put themselves there. As I said, I have worked extremely hard all my working life (35 years + at that time), I had a university education.... but it all meant nothing, because when I reached out to the authorities that are meant to support you and provide help etc, they are not concerned in the slightest. If it wasn't for my amazing friend, I would have likely been street homeless through no fault of my own and i would not have survived, so think before you judge anyone. It is an absolute scandal that people sleep on the streets. Everyone deserves to have somewhere to call home. | |||
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"It varies feom area to area. Where i currently work there are plenty of people that sleep on the streets through choice. There isnt one that doesnt have a flat or a house, but they prefer to sleep on the street. When I worked in Leeds however there was a large proportion of genuinly homeless people. I used to give them drinks or food instead of money. There was one guy i used to speak to most days who used to be a professor until he had a mental breakdown. Super clever guy. Another guy had been a fellow Officer in my regiment but PTSD had messed him up so bad he couldnt cope with the quietness of a house! THESE ARE HUMANS AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE ALL HAVE OUR PROBLEMS TO LESSER OR GREATER DEGREES. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE MONEY. GIVE THEM AN HELLO SHOW THEM THEY ARENT INVISIBLE. I totally agree with this. I wasn't going to post my personal story on here, but some of you really do not have a clue as to the reality of the situation. First of all, I come from what would be thought of as a good, middle class family (on the outside) I had a good education and on the face of it, I was a child that was well cared for. I have NEVER taken any illegal substances, I do not even smoke! I like a few glasses of wine, but I am a long way from being an alcoholic or having any dependency issues. I never thought that I would be in the situation I found myself in, never.. I have worked hard all of my life, like i say, I had a good education and I made the most of all the opportunities I was presented with. Approx 6/7 years ago now, I rented a home from a family member. She owned the house. A gorgeous house that I loved. Felt like my own. I don't want to go into the details or reasons as it's not relevant and it's too upsetting, but after a particularly bad disagreement with her, she commenced legal proceedings to get me evicted. Even with all the help from Shelter, she was successful and I was evicted. At the time, I was off work on long term sick due to a particularly severe back problem (prolapsed discs) and depression so finding the money for a new home was extremely difficult to say the least. Throughout the entire process, I communicated with my local authorities and kept them informed and they continued to stipulate that they are not able to help until I am actually homeless. So on the day of eviction, I went to the council and they initially housed me in bed and breakfast accommodation until they were able to assess my needs. I was in the b&b for less than three weeks and despite a letter from my consultant confirming my problems with my back and a 12 page letter from my GP, I was told that I am not 'priority need'. I was stuck and totally and utterly dejected. Fortunately a great friend stepped in and allowed me to stay with her for a short while, I was able to get a rather large loan and found myself a small flat. (It was not ideal as it was not in an ideal area, it was cold and never really home, but it was a roof over my head. I have worked extremely hard to get back on my feet again and have now moved on from there to somewhere I am happier. So please do not judge homeless people and think that they are all d*unks that have put themselves there. As I said, I have worked extremely hard all my working life (35 years + at that time), I had a university education.... but it all meant nothing, because when I reached out to the authorities that are meant to support you and provide help etc, they are not concerned in the slightest. If it wasn't for my amazing friend, I would have likely been street homeless through no fault of my own and i would not have survived, so think before you judge anyone. It is an absolute scandal that people sleep on the streets. Everyone deserves to have somewhere to call home." Thank you for sharing you story, I feel so strongly that the homeless shouldn't be looked down on. It could happen to any of us. Smile, say hello and ask if they need anything. Thank good for your friend helping you out x | |||
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"It varies feom area to area. Where i currently work there are plenty of people that sleep on the streets through choice. There isnt one that doesnt have a flat or a house, but they prefer to sleep on the street. When I worked in Leeds however there was a large proportion of genuinly homeless people. I used to give them drinks or food instead of money. There was one guy i used to speak to most days who used to be a professor until he had a mental breakdown. Super clever guy. Another guy had been a fellow Officer in my regiment but PTSD had messed him up so bad he couldnt cope with the quietness of a house! THESE ARE HUMANS AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE ALL HAVE OUR PROBLEMS TO LESSER OR GREATER DEGREES. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE MONEY. GIVE THEM AN HELLO SHOW THEM THEY ARENT INVISIBLE. I totally agree with this. I wasn't going to post my personal story on here, but some of you really do not have a clue as to the reality of the situation. First of all, I come from what would be thought of as a good, middle class family (on the outside) I had a good education and on the face of it, I was a child that was well cared for. I have NEVER taken any illegal substances, I do not even smoke! I like a few glasses of wine, but I am a long way from being an alcoholic or having any dependency issues. I never thought that I would be in the situation I found myself in, never.. I have worked hard all of my life, like i say, I had a good education and I made the most of all the opportunities I was presented with. Approx 6/7 years ago now, I rented a home from a family member. She owned the house. A gorgeous house that I loved. Felt like my own. I don't want to go into the details or reasons as it's not relevant and it's too upsetting, but after a particularly bad disagreement with her, she commenced legal proceedings to get me evicted. Even with all the help from Shelter, she was successful and I was evicted. At the time, I was off work on long term sick due to a particularly severe back problem (prolapsed discs) and depression so finding the money for a new home was extremely difficult to say the least. Throughout the entire process, I communicated with my local authorities and kept them informed and they continued to stipulate that they are not able to help until I am actually homeless. So on the day of eviction, I went to the council and they initially housed me in bed and breakfast accommodation until they were able to assess my needs. I was in the b&b for less than three weeks and despite a letter from my consultant confirming my problems with my back and a 12 page letter from my GP, I was told that I am not 'priority need'. I was stuck and totally and utterly dejected. Fortunately a great friend stepped in and allowed me to stay with her for a short while, I was able to get a rather large loan and found myself a small flat. (It was not ideal as it was not in an ideal area, it was cold and never really home, but it was a roof over my head. I have worked extremely hard to get back on my feet again and have now moved on from there to somewhere I am happier. So please do not judge homeless people and think that they are all d*unks that have put themselves there. As I said, I have worked extremely hard all my working life (35 years + at that time), I had a university education.... but it all meant nothing, because when I reached out to the authorities that are meant to support you and provide help etc, they are not concerned in the slightest. If it wasn't for my amazing friend, I would have likely been street homeless through no fault of my own and i would not have survived, so think before you judge anyone. It is an absolute scandal that people sleep on the streets. Everyone deserves to have somewhere to call home. Thank you for sharing you story, I feel so strongly that the homeless shouldn't be looked down on. It could happen to any of us. Smile, say hello and ask if they need anything. Thank good for your friend helping you out x" Yes. I don't know what I would have done without her. She is like a sister and now fortunately I have the opportunity to spoil her a little.... take her for a meal or buy little presents to show that I appreciate what she did. | |||
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"It varies feom area to area. Where i currently work there are plenty of people that sleep on the streets through choice. There isnt one that doesnt have a flat or a house, but they prefer to sleep on the street. When I worked in Leeds however there was a large proportion of genuinly homeless people. I used to give them drinks or food instead of money. There was one guy i used to speak to most days who used to be a professor until he had a mental breakdown. Super clever guy. Another guy had been a fellow Officer in my regiment but PTSD had messed him up so bad he couldnt cope with the quietness of a house! THESE ARE HUMANS AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE ALL HAVE OUR PROBLEMS TO LESSER OR GREATER DEGREES. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE MONEY. GIVE THEM AN HELLO SHOW THEM THEY ARENT INVISIBLE. I totally agree with this. I wasn't going to post my personal story on here, but some of you really do not have a clue as to the reality of the situation. First of all, I come from what would be thought of as a good, middle class family (on the outside) I had a good education and on the face of it, I was a child that was well cared for. I have NEVER taken any illegal substances, I do not even smoke! I like a few glasses of wine, but I am a long way from being an alcoholic or having any dependency issues. I never thought that I would be in the situation I found myself in, never.. I have worked hard all of my life, like i say, I had a good education and I made the most of all the opportunities I was presented with. Approx 6/7 years ago now, I rented a home from a family member. She owned the house. A gorgeous house that I loved. Felt like my own. I don't want to go into the details or reasons as it's not relevant and it's too upsetting, but after a particularly bad disagreement with her, she commenced legal proceedings to get me evicted. Even with all the help from Shelter, she was successful and I was evicted. At the time, I was off work on long term sick due to a particularly severe back problem (prolapsed discs) and depression so finding the money for a new home was extremely difficult to say the least. Throughout the entire process, I communicated with my local authorities and kept them informed and they continued to stipulate that they are not able to help until I am actually homeless. So on the day of eviction, I went to the council and they initially housed me in bed and breakfast accommodation until they were able to assess my needs. I was in the b&b for less than three weeks and despite a letter from my consultant confirming my problems with my back and a 12 page letter from my GP, I was told that I am not 'priority need'. I was stuck and totally and utterly dejected. Fortunately a great friend stepped in and allowed me to stay with her for a short while, I was able to get a rather large loan and found myself a small flat. (It was not ideal as it was not in an ideal area, it was cold and never really home, but it was a roof over my head. I have worked extremely hard to get back on my feet again and have now moved on from there to somewhere I am happier. So please do not judge homeless people and think that they are all d*unks that have put themselves there. As I said, I have worked extremely hard all my working life (35 years + at that time), I had a university education.... but it all meant nothing, because when I reached out to the authorities that are meant to support you and provide help etc, they are not concerned in the slightest. If it wasn't for my amazing friend, I would have likely been street homeless through no fault of my own and i would not have survived, so think before you judge anyone. It is an absolute scandal that people sleep on the streets. Everyone deserves to have somewhere to call home." See what I take from that is that the system did actually work correctly. You had friends/relatives you could stay with and the ability to source your own funding for accomodation. The high priority people have neither of those and are literally on the street if they dont get emergency support (just like you got while you were actually homeless). There's not enough money and properties to go around supporting everyone who gets evicted and doesnt find a new place to stay before the eviction fat. | |||
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