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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?"

Inside? Ermmm apart

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

The problem is it is very difficult to prove alienation has taken place beyond reasonable doubt - of course it happens (and I very much suspect happened to me/my kids) but proving it is another matter - as the absent parent all you can do is keep showing the children you love them and are there for them and take things as far as you possibly can through the legal system if necessary.

There are laws in place here that include imprisonment for a parent that breaks court orders but it does become a very grey and thorny area so is rarely, if ever used.

Whilst it doesn't help while you're living through it, the one saving grace is that most kids as they get older realise they've been misled and turn back to the absent parent to some degree, although by then a lot of the damage has been done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about if your child figures out for itself that the non resident parent isn't doing that good a job?

My child is almost 8 and although she loves her father and sees him every week she's noticed for a long time now that he's not the same as Mammy.

She asks why he never takes her to any of her classes or she's been there when I've asked him to do something and he's said no.

Even Monday when I saw him I said the school have given me this letter about the iPad scheme they need iPads for September it's 16 quid a month dd or 386 quid outright. I don't have that. I said to him can you take on this dd 16 a month (he hasn't paid mainetence for 16 months) he said no why can't you do it.

Next day I fill the forms in my daughter said oh is daddy doing it, I said no I am and she just laughs and says he's useless.

That's not me poisoning her, I'm fed up of trying to make him look like a good dad when he does fuck all to help and makes my life difficult by being in it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The problem is it is very difficult to prove alienation has taken place beyond reasonable doubt - of course it happens (and I very much suspect happened to me/my kids) but proving it is another matter - as the absent parent all you can do is keep showing the children you love them and are there for them and take things as far as you possibly can through the legal system if necessary.

There are laws in place here that include imprisonment for a parent that breaks court orders but it does become a very grey and thorny area so is rarely, if ever used.

Whilst it doesn't help while you're living through it, the one saving grace is that most kids as they get older realise they've been misled and turn back to the absent parent to some degree, although by then a lot of the damage has been done."

I actually have email proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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That's not me poisoning her, I'm fed up of trying to make him look like a good dad when he does fuck all to help and makes my life difficult by being in it. "

Sucks doesn't it ? Nobody forces these parents to be better parents, nobody forces them to pay their maintainence etc..

this is my kids father and believe me, they know his faults now. They simply aren't interested (as adults)

"Yeah? Cos dad's a twat" is often the response to some discussion about him.. not my doing

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The problem is it is very difficult to prove alienation has taken place beyond reasonable doubt - of course it happens (and I very much suspect happened to me/my kids) but proving it is another matter - as the absent parent all you can do is keep showing the children you love them and are there for them and take things as far as you possibly can through the legal system if necessary.

There are laws in place here that include imprisonment for a parent that breaks court orders but it does become a very grey and thorny area so is rarely, if ever used.

Whilst it doesn't help while you're living through it, the one saving grace is that most kids as they get older realise they've been misled and turn back to the absent parent to some degree, although by then a lot of the damage has been done."

Not really. I know parent alienation is an offence in brazil. The process to prove it is extensive and thorough, but ultimately works as well as any law.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?"

My thoughts are that the average male and female are pretty shite at picking life partners and children suffer for their sloppiness. In my opinion the top 3 reasons a man picks a wife are:

1. inertia (i.e. they have been together a long time already)

2. sexual attraction

3. friends and family approve of her

I think the most important factor is actually to have shared values and a shared vision of the family you want. Unfortunately, that requires proper thought and planning which is hard to do when you have an erection (see reason 2).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

That's not me poisoning her, I'm fed up of trying to make him look like a good dad when he does fuck all to help and makes my life difficult by being in it.

Sucks doesn't it ? Nobody forces these parents to be better parents, nobody forces them to pay their maintainence etc..

this is my kids father and believe me, they know his faults now. They simply aren't interested (as adults)

"Yeah? Cos dad's a twat" is often the response to some discussion about him.. not my doing "

I know, it's like my kid lives with me, she knows what's going on, we have a court order in place that he has her every other weekend fri to Sunday and the amount of things he refuses to take her to that she wants to go to, friends parties, gradings, swimming lessons. She knows Mammy takes her to them and then gets upset cos dadddy doesn't.

That's her own opinions being formed and nothing to do with me the resident parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a member of families need fathers (a Scottish group) and on the last newsletter it mentioned that the resident parent could face child abuse charges if it's proven that they have poisoned the child or children against the absent parent. There's counsellors who are able to find out through talking to the kids what has been planted in their minds by the parent and what comes from their own experience with the absent parent. As a father who hasn't seen his daughter for 19 months despite repeated attempts at contact and lawyers letters being sent to her I welcome this.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?"

Omg! Legislate AGAINST (in the main) women? Never!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some of the stories my son tells me of when his dad was looking after him on a weekend visit actually make my blood boil....we have no contact and he has made a conscious effort not to stay in contact with his son, even via facebook, which I think is incredibly sad for my son, but he made his own mind up about his dad without any input from me (I keep my thoughts to myself about it all)...when my son says anything about his dad he calls him the devil..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

My thoughts are that the average male and female are pretty shite at picking life partners and children suffer for their sloppiness. In my opinion the top 3 reasons a man picks a wife are:

1. inertia (i.e. they have been together a long time already)

2. sexual attraction

3. friends and family approve of her

I think the most important factor is actually to have shared values and a shared vision of the family you want. Unfortunately, that requires proper thought and planning which is hard to do when you have an erection (see reason 2). "

Since we cannot de-create our children, this is a moot point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm a member of families need fathers (a Scottish group) and on the last newsletter it mentioned that the resident parent could face child abuse charges if it's proven that they have poisoned the child or children against the absent parent. There's counsellors who are able to find out through talking to the kids what has been planted in their minds by the parent and what comes from their own experience with the absent parent. As a father who hasn't seen his daughter for 19 months despite repeated attempts at contact and lawyers letters being sent to her I welcome this. "

Is this just Scottish legislation? If not, I'd be interested to hear more.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

My thoughts are that the average male and female are pretty shite at picking life partners and children suffer for their sloppiness. In my opinion the top 3 reasons a man picks a wife are:

1. inertia (i.e. they have been together a long time already)

2. sexual attraction

3. friends and family approve of her

I think the most important factor is actually to have shared values and a shared vision of the family you want. Unfortunately, that requires proper thought and planning which is hard to do when you have an erection (see reason 2).

Since we cannot de-create our children, this is a moot point. "

Not really. If you fuck up then accept the consequences. There have been multiple threads recently that basically say "i married the wrong person and we have children. How can i leave my partner to find the perfect marriage with someone new but not hurt our children?" - answer: you can't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

My thoughts are that the average male and female are pretty shite at picking life partners and children suffer for their sloppiness. In my opinion the top 3 reasons a man picks a wife are:

1. inertia (i.e. they have been together a long time already)

2. sexual attraction

3. friends and family approve of her

I think the most important factor is actually to have shared values and a shared vision of the family you want. Unfortunately, that requires proper thought and planning which is hard to do when you have an erection (see reason 2).

Since we cannot de-create our children, this is a moot point.

Not really. If you fuck up then accept the consequences. There have been multiple threads recently that basically say "i married the wrong person and we have children. How can i leave my partner to find the perfect marriage with someone new but not hurt our children?" - answer: you can't. "

Are you saying accept my child being brainwashed as a consequence for making a bad choice of "life partner"?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

My thoughts are that the average male and female are pretty shite at picking life partners and children suffer for their sloppiness. In my opinion the top 3 reasons a man picks a wife are:

1. inertia (i.e. they have been together a long time already)

2. sexual attraction

3. friends and family approve of her

I think the most important factor is actually to have shared values and a shared vision of the family you want. Unfortunately, that requires proper thought and planning which is hard to do when you have an erection (see reason 2).

Since we cannot de-create our children, this is a moot point.

Not really. If you fuck up then accept the consequences. There have been multiple threads recently that basically say "i married the wrong person and we have children. How can i leave my partner to find the perfect marriage with someone new but not hurt our children?" - answer: you can't.

Are you saying accept my child being brainwashed as a consequence for making a bad choice of "life partner"?"

No, i find your understanding of logic to be flakey at the best of times but you've totally lost me there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My best friend recently won joint custody, I'm trained in law which helped a little, but using legal representation can actually look bad in a family court if the judge is in any ways competent.

All recent heavyweight studies point towards 50/50 custody being the best outcome psychologically for a child.

Rather depressingly the main reason most parents want sole custody is the child maintenance payments these stop if 50/50 custody is granted.

If you want more info PM me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My best friend recently won joint custody, I'm trained in law which helped a little, but using legal representation can actually look bad in a family court if the judge is in any ways competent.

All recent heavyweight studies point towards 50/50 custody being the best outcome psychologically for a child.

Rather depressingly the main reason most parents want sole custody is the child maintenance payments these stop if 50/50 custody is granted.

If you want more info PM me. "

You're wrong about child maintenance. There is equal care and 50-50 shared care. Shared care means maintenance is paid.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Inside from the fact the group is about fathers' rights, shouldn't we now be more concerned with children's rights. It isn't just fathers who get a raw deal.

I've just read up about parent alienation syndrome wherein, mainly the resident parent poisons the mind of the child against the other parent. The child becomes complicit in this through no fault of their own; tantamount to being brainwashed.

In other countries, legislation exists and a parent can be imprisoned for this. Sadly in this country it is a grey area but forms part of custody battles. In the meantime the child is suffering psychologically

Thoughts?

Any experiences with positive outcomes?

What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

My thoughts are that the average male and female are pretty shite at picking life partners and children suffer for their sloppiness. In my opinion the top 3 reasons a man picks a wife are:

1. inertia (i.e. they have been together a long time already)

2. sexual attraction

3. friends and family approve of her

I think the most important factor is actually to have shared values and a shared vision of the family you want. Unfortunately, that requires proper thought and planning which is hard to do when you have an erection (see reason 2).

Since we cannot de-create our children, this is a moot point.

Not really. If you fuck up then accept the consequences. There have been multiple threads recently that basically say "i married the wrong person and we have children. How can i leave my partner to find the perfect marriage with someone new but not hurt our children?" - answer: you can't.

Are you saying accept my child being brainwashed as a consequence for making a bad choice of "life partner"?

No, i find your understanding of logic to be flakey at the best of times but you've totally lost me there. "

If you were being logical I'd understand . Perhaps if your posts related to the thread, I'd have a greater understanding.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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What's the role of social services outside of custody battles?

they're there for the welfare of the children, and not the parents. ideally the parents work with them for the childrens needs, but i do think they don't have anything tailored to families individually.

i have personally seen them recommend that a NSA parent does not see or have contact with a child that is distressed by meetings with them, including if they get overly upset when the parent leaves.

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