FabSwingers.com forum: Electric cars?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What's everyone's thoughts on electric cars?,,,Volvo plan to make all their new models electric.pros and cons?

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

The prices will be shockingly high . ( closes door on way out )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keen to know where car owners who live in blocks of flats or terraced streets and houses with no off street parking manage to run the miles of cables to charge their electric cars up....

It's an ill conceived folly for mass motoring in the UK

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

I've got a plug-in hybrid (BMW). Full electric were a little bit restrictive for me at the moment, due to the range & stress about having to find somewhere to charge. Tesla are an option but, stupidly expensive still. The Hybrid works well for me & helps me dip my toe into the water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Full electric cars are a step backwards and will never be mainstream. They serve a purpose currently, but hydrogen is where it's at.

They also aren't "green" when you consider all the factors involved in the life cycle including production.

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Crap idea - there isn't enough electricity in the UK to charge them all up if everybody had one.

Let's build another 3 nuclear power stations - well that's at least 18 years away.

Windmills - oh fuck it's not windy so I can't charge the car !!!!

We could always keep importing gas from Russia and electricity from France, I am sure those guys will be helpful for the forseeable future - what could go wrong ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely impractical for anything other than the 'townie'. The person that commutes only a few short miles a day across town. The time it takes to charge, plus the restrictive range will continue to drive a nail in the technology for the foreseeable future.

I'll stick to petrol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Completely impractical for anything other than the 'townie'. The person that commutes only a few short miles a day across town. The time it takes to charge, plus the restrictive range will continue to drive a nail in the technology for the foreseeable future.

I'll stick to petrol. "

A lot of townies in my area never manage to overnight park their cars in the same spot two days in a row .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't see them becoming mainstream, in theory it's a nice idea but wholly impractical to be the norm.

However; if money permitted I could be swayed by the BMW i8

Ginger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

contactless charging while in motion

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

"contactless charging while in motion "

... is a fantastic idea - and how many miles of roads have this ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"contactless charging while in motion

... is a fantastic idea - and how many miles of roads have this ???"

how much mobile phone network did we used to have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"contactless charging while in motion "

We cant get the potholes fixed now....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"contactless charging while in motion "

This country's transport management bods can't even build a straight stretch of road without it needing repair weeks later, much less try and perform a technological miracle with it.

I'll stick to petrol again.

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

"contactless charging while in motion

... is a fantastic idea - and how many miles of roads have this ???

how much mobile phone network did we used to have?"

Fair point - but we still don't have enough power stations for everyone to charge their electric car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if they tripled the tax you wouldn't get me away from a good V8!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"contactless charging while in motion

This country's transport management bods can't even build a straight stretch of road without it needing repair weeks later, much less try and perform a technological miracle with it.

I'll stick to petrol again."

i doubt the transport bods would install contacless charging systems ... but i bet power and fuel companies would be well up for it ... by the way it's not like we're talking next week, but it will happen in most peoples lifetimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"contactless charging while in motion

... is a fantastic idea - and how many miles of roads have this ???

how much mobile phone network did we used to have?

Fair point - but we still don't have enough power stations for everyone to charge their electric car."

you keep thinking in the now .... the tech is moving really quickly on this ... battery tech especially

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By *eplicant JoWoman
over a year ago

Sussex countryside

Have a Nissan Leaf, love it.

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By *ribsaMan
over a year ago

A box at end of your bed

Electric car are great fun had a scalextric set as a kid played with it for hours don't know if i want a full size one yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Electric car are great fun had a scalextric set as a kid played with it for hours don't know if i want a full size one yet."

don't worry, no one will force it on you. but a time will come when finding a place that sells petrol or diesel will become difficult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have a Nissan Leaf, love it. "

My dad had a leaf, for some insane reason he swapped his 911 for it

Yeah the leaf was great......

Until it was dark, cold and raining, the lights, wipers and heaters sapped the battery, it became useless for getting to work.

They fall short by about 20 miles in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in."

And on a car that can be loaded down with people and stuff too, instead of these just a bit bigger than your average golf buggy style cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in."

see the bit about contactless charging in motion

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By *ribsaMan
over a year ago

A box at end of your bed

And when that happens no one will be driving anyway vehicles will be totally automated. Sit in it and tell it where you want to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And when that happens no one will be driving anyway vehicles will be totally automated. Sit in it and tell it where you want to go."

that may well be true also

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

see the bit about contactless charging in motion"

i simply have no interest in electric cars.if i want to drive one i'll go on the dodgems at the fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *rLucky777Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Electric cars are the future like it or not.

Tesla is leading the charge and when the model 3 starts to roll out it will be a game changer. Technology and autonomous driving have moved on in leaps and bounds and will only get more advanced.

The car manufacturers that move slow on this will be out of business. It will also mean the end of most driving jobs. Petrol and diesel will be fazed out entirely and much sooner then you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

see the bit about contactless charging in motion

i simply have no interest in electric cars.if i want to drive one i'll go on the dodgems at the fair"

that's fine ... but you might find your internal combustion powered motor taxed off the road in the meantime, which is already happening

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Careful with the Volvo story. The cars won't be fully electric, although they might offer that too.

The cars will be hybrid, able to run on petrol and electric. So the requirement to plug in or go nowhere isn't the case.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Careful with the Volvo story. The cars won't be fully electric, although they might offer that too.

The cars will be hybrid, able to run on petrol and electric. So the requirement to plug in or go nowhere isn't the case."

Fair play sounds a bit better to have an option for both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Electric cars are the future like it or not.

Tesla is leading the charge and when the model 3 starts to roll out it will be a game changer. Technology and autonomous driving have moved on in leaps and bounds and will only get more advanced.

The car manufacturers that move slow on this will be out of business. It will also mean the end of most driving jobs. Petrol and diesel will be fazed out entirely and much sooner then you think. "

it'll be a bit like the unleaded petrol thing in 1988

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

And on a car that can be loaded down with people and stuff too, instead of these just a bit bigger than your average golf buggy style cars."

Look at Tesla. Large and very very fast (0-60 3 seconds). Not cheap admittedly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

And on a car that can be loaded down with people and stuff too, instead of these just a bit bigger than your average golf buggy style cars.

Look at Tesla. Large and very very fast (0-60 3 seconds). Not cheap admittedly."

A touch beyond the budget of this struggling wedding 'tog'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im waiting for hydrogen powered cars till I invest. No point in just using fossil fuels to make electric cars.

People are used to the convenience of taking under 10 mins to fill up

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

And on a car that can be loaded down with people and stuff too, instead of these just a bit bigger than your average golf buggy style cars.

Look at Tesla. Large and very very fast (0-60 3 seconds). Not cheap admittedly.

A touch beyond the budget of this struggling wedding 'tog'

me too, just mean there are different vehicles with different specs and prices, just as with combustion engine cars.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm going to build a wood fired steam car. Just sling in logs into the burner, and build up a good head of steam and away you go. Remember, even nuclear power stations just produce steam, so it's bang up to date. If the wood is from FSC sources, it's a winner.

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By *anny1984Man
over a year ago

bow

I've worked on cars for 18 years what a joke the electric car is they say it's better for the environment and yes they are while on the road BUT when you look at the environmental damage making and the disposal. Electric cars are old technology they was about in the early 1900s. I find it strange why they have brought this old technology back, when in the same era they had engines that run on water. Maybe the governments prefer electric so they get there cut from the electric company's ?????????

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

As many of you know, I am actually on the testla model 3 waiting list.... I have been told it is likely to be mid 19 before I get mine

It is starting from around 27500... and with the government discount it will be close to 23000 for the basic....

I have been quoted somewhere around 250 miles between charges... if they could stick 4 or 5 superchargers in every 24 hr service station then it would absolutely work...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

electric motorcycles are happening now too

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"As many of you know, I am actually on the testla model 3 waiting list.... I have been told it is likely to be mid 19 before I get mine

It is starting from around 27500... and with the government discount it will be close to 23000 for the basic....

I have been quoted somewhere around 250 miles between charges... if they could stick 4 or 5 superchargers in every 24 hr service station then it would absolutely work... "

You probably know they've done that in California, and as far as I know, it's free to fill up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll stop riding them when the last petrol driven motorcycle is scrapped. Part of the appeal is the noise that contributes to the excitement while riding. A silent motorbike? Fuck that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are flaw d right from the word go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said.

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

"As many of you know, I am actually on the testla model 3 waiting list.... I have been told it is likely to be mid 19 before I get mine

It is starting from around 27500... and with the government discount it will be close to 23000 for the basic....

I have been quoted somewhere around 250 miles between charges... if they could stick 4 or 5 superchargers in every 24 hr service station then it would absolutely work... "

I am very pleased for you but why should I have to contribute my taxes to buy you your electric car ????

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

And I repeat - this country does not generate enough electricity to recharge all the cars if they were all changed to electric. And we have no plans to build enough power stations either.

Rant over. Bored now. I'm off

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By *ick71Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I have a mercedes plug in hybrid it works well for me but until they improve the charging infrastructure in this country and educate the non electric vehicle drivers that the spaces put aside for electric vehicle charging are not to be used other than for charging purposes then it will never work fully in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"Crap idea - there isn't enough electricity in the UK to charge them all up if everybody had one.

Let's build another 3 nuclear power stations - well that's at least 18 years away.

Windmills - oh fuck it's not windy so I can't charge the car !!!!

We could always keep importing gas from Russia and electricity from France, I am sure those guys will be helpful for the forseeable future - what could go wrong ???"

Why don't they put windmills on the top of electric vehicles? Go faster= more charge

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Why don't they put windmills on the top of electric vehicles? Go faster= more charge

the best ideas are the simplest

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

no point, as soon as too many go electric, watch the price shoot up of electric, they already said by 2030 we wont have enough power and we will need to build another 5 Hinkley Point power stations by 2050 if the electric car trend continues.

electric car tax is coming at some point.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

We have a lexus hybrid and love it.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I drove a Nissan leaf in work, nice idea but the only had a 100 mile range. That's ok but during the winter, the battery charge didnt last 12 hours.

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple
over a year ago

dukinfield

Why don't they put windmills on the top of electric vehicles? Go faster= more charge

the best ideas are the simplest

The best genuine idea would be electric motors power back wheels dynamos on the from plug in over night and dynamos top up the lecky as you drive! Wouldn't keep it going indefinitely but would increase range

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a leaf best car I've had, and I've had a jag and mec, when do most people do over 100 miles in one day, oh and it's beats other cars from the lights

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"contactless charging while in motion

... is a fantastic idea - and how many miles of roads have this ???"

There is a mile of road in California that is also solar powered and charges cars as they drive over it.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Why don't they put windmills on the top of electric vehicles? Go faster= more charge

the best ideas are the simplest

They do have this system, it's called regenerative braking

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"Can't see them becoming mainstream, in theory it's a nice idea but wholly impractical to be the norm.

However; if money permitted I could be swayed by the BMW i8

Ginger"

I got thrown out of the launch party for the BMW i8 in Munich a few years ago. Apparently for 'not looking like a BMW engineer'. The bouncer then extremely helpfully directed me to a much better club around the corner..

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

I had a few meets with a girl from here a while back. Surprisingly at first she always suggested a quiet car park. Afterwards I realised she had been persuaded to buy some sort of electric Renault and couldn't make the full distance to my house and back on one charge. About 30 miles if you were wondering..

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By *ick71Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring"

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Apparently the UK would need the equivalent of 5 "Hinckley point" type nuclear power stations to cope with the electrical demand if all the cars in the this country were electric.........Still sound environmentally friendly?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

What is the range and how long does it take to re-charge?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Why don't they put windmills on the top of electric vehicles? Go faster= more charge

the best ideas are the simplest

Sadly perpetual motion does not exist

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

What is the range and how long does it take to re-charge?"

Charging time about 20 minutes on a 50kw rapid charger, about 10 hours with a 13amp plug and extension lead

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

What is the range and how long does it take to re-charge?

Charging time about 20 minutes on a 50kw rapid charger, about 10 hours with a 13amp plug and extension lead"

What is the range?

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By *ampshirehotwifeWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire

We have a lexis hybrid. It is petrol and electric. No plug in necessary! We get 59 miles to the gallon. And in sport mode it shifts!

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

What is the range and how long does it take to re-charge?

Charging time about 20 minutes on a 50kw rapid charger, about 10 hours with a 13amp plug and extension lead

What is the range?"

How long is your lead?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

What is the range and how long does it take to re-charge?

Charging time about 20 minutes on a 50kw rapid charger, about 10 hours with a 13amp plug and extension lead

What is the range?

How long is your lead?"

lol, yes that's about the size of it!

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By *rwolfMan
over a year ago

bristol

so electric cars.... an amazing idea however due to there being no money actually in it it will never really catch on.

take a look at the innovations of tesla for a moment, they have made huge leaps forward in this market, cars capable of extreme high speeds for long periods of time (I believe one of their cars clocked 150mph for 18 hours) yet if driven at more sensible speeds the charge could last for up to 4 days.

as for charging them, again I will defer to Tesla ( google the roof tiles).. with their in house system and new tiles, houses are capable of not just self sustaining within 24 hours of charging but actually putting electicity back into the network.

now why are we not using this technology? because its simple... zero profit in it for the companies responsible for power.

if we as a whole are to start making changes we need to push for these technological advancements to be made availible to the public quite cheaply

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Question: where does electricity come from.....

(And don't say from the plug lol)

Another point: are electric cars really green/eco-friendly? For example, the Toyota Prius' electric battery is made from nickel. This is mined in Canada, shipped over to Europe for smelting and refinement, then sent to China where it's turned into the battery's constituent bits, and finally across to Japan where it's assembled and put in the car, which has been built across South-East Asia. By the time it reaches UK dealerships, the carbon footprint of the Prius is massive; per Prius, it's the equivalent of doing around 1000 miles before it's odometer reads 1 mile.

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

because technology will mean that this will increase...

for example the model 3 i will eventually get will do up to 250 miles on one charge.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

because technology will mean that this will increase...

for example the model 3 i will eventually get will do up to 250 miles on one charge....."

a full 100 miles further than the best performing ford model T

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

because technology will mean that this will increase...

for example the model 3 i will eventually get will do up to 250 miles on one charge....."

Unfortunately, my place of holiday choice is 365 miles away!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

because technology will mean that this will increase...

for example the model 3 i will eventually get will do up to 250 miles on one charge.....

a full 100 miles further than the best performing ford model T"

they all have to start somewhere... for example the original tesla model s use to get 210-230 miles 5 years ago on a charge.... now the latest model s gets between 350-375 miles on one charge.......

as with all things these will progress.......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Unfortunately, my place of holiday choice is 365 miles away!"

and my relatives live in suburban essex which is about 250 away... so i would stop once on the way anyway to stretch the legs or have a pee for example... so as i said... as long as they have enough charging points in service stations.... it isn't going to stratch out journeys that much....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

because technology will mean that this will increase...

for example the model 3 i will eventually get will do up to 250 miles on one charge.....

a full 100 miles further than the best performing ford model T

they all have to start somewhere... for example the original tesla model s use to get 210-230 miles 5 years ago on a charge.... now the latest model s gets between 350-375 miles on one charge.......

as with all things these will progress......."

that's what i was getting at by mentioning the model T ... it's early days yet with the tech involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately, my place of holiday choice is 365 miles away!

The elephant in the room question though.....how do we get the electricity for charging the car?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

electric kit cars are currently coming onto the market at around 9-10 grand ... clearly this price will drop

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The elephant in the room question though.....how do we get the electricity for charging the car? "

did we ever ask where we would get the extra petrol/diesel people would need at the beginning?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It all depends how you use It. I love my 330e, 250bhp on the motorway great to drive, silent and effortless when I get into the city and use the electric. With a mixture of town and motorway driving I average 85mpg plus week to week. It has to suit what you use it for, but electric/hybrid cars have their place, great tax breaks too. What's not to like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tesla P100

335 mile radius

1 hour recharge time

6/7 seater

Plenty of boot space if necessary

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over a year ago

The elephant in the room question though.....how do we get the electricity for charging the car?

did we ever ask where we would get the extra petrol/diesel people would need at the beginning? "

I thought people were putting forward electric car as being greener so just wondering if in fact they are? Once read that the Prius is unbelievably environmentally unfriendly and that most modern Mercs are better for the planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i just read that 4 out 10 of the most un-environmentally friendly cars are mercs ... the prius doesn't figure in the rankings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The new euro 6 diesel mercs aren't too bad, but you're still pumping Nox into the atmosphere and the government is going to make people pay dearly for diesel mpg sooner rather than later.

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By *rwolfMan
over a year ago

bristol

"Question: where does electricity come from.....

(And don't say from the plug lol)

I will defer to my previous statement about tesla technologies

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"Crap idea - there isn't enough electricity in the UK to charge them all up if everybody had one.

Let's build another 3 nuclear power stations - well that's at least 18 years away.

Windmills - oh fuck it's not windy so I can't charge the car !!!!

We could always keep importing gas from Russia and electricity from France, I am sure those guys will be helpful for the forseeable future - what could go wrong ???"

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By *rwolfMan
over a year ago

bristol

How to charge them?

Research the tesla roof tiles with the in-house battery system

Using the latest statistics, if 50% of the houses in 1 major city were to utilise that tech they would produce enough electric to sustain the city and still save energy.

We live in a world motivated by money and one where governments own the pipelines... An example of that would be the last time petrol dropped to the £1 mark, because america and saudi arabia opened another pipeline to lower the price of oil to keep Russia out of the fuel market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The "greenest" car is the one you currently own!.

Of course it requires you to repair it and run it for the next 20 years (which all modern cars are capable of).

The only problem with that is its crap for car manufacturers.

Electric cars wether you like them or not are here and not going away, within ten years they will be mainstream and petroleum will be the fringe.

We are the last generation of petrol heads like it or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've recently ordered the new BMW 530e

My first hydrid car...from the reviews it all sounds positive.

Have to wait till end of September to get my hands on it....can't wait!

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Hoping current diesel keeps running well for a few years, but electric is high on list when the time comes.

First petrol car could do 200 miles on a tank and believe for electric that will be tipping point i.e. a good distance to drive and have a break.

Electrics are much simpler, so while battery may fade over years, once you factor in ICE maintenance costs things balance out.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"electric motorcycles are happening now too "

There is a electric racing championship, their own class at the IOM TT, ridiculously quick too!

Just dont sound or smell as nice as an old 2stroke!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Henry fords first car was built out of hemp and ran on hemp oil.

Other than financial gain for someone why did we ever go down road of fossil fuel?

To replace something poor with something far worse....the electric car. The carbon footprint of a new vehicle is far more than the footprint of an older dirtier diesel still in use today.

As someone else pointed out. The power to charge these vehicles. we as a nation dont have the capacity. Its pointless.

hydrogen extraction from urine...marine gets to piss in the gas tank on battle field

but then the little man, held back from such tech...like loads of tech that way. The electric car is a load of crap, but each to their own.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"Henry fords first car was built out of hemp and ran on hemp oil.

Other than financial gain for someone why did we ever go down road of fossil fuel?

To replace something poor with something far worse....the electric car. The carbon footprint of a new vehicle is far more than the footprint of an older dirtier diesel still in use today.

As someone else pointed out. The power to charge these vehicles. we as a nation dont have the capacity. Its pointless.

hydrogen extraction from urine...marine gets to piss in the gas tank on battle field

but then the little man, held back from such tech...like loads of tech that way. The electric car is a load of crap, but each to their own."

Henry ford was green in another way too, certain parts he ordered were packed in a specific size wooden crate that could be taken apart and used directly as model T floorboards.

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over a year ago

Hydrogen is a complete non starter, its impractical to say the least.

Firstly hydrogen doesn't exist on planet earth in reality, its nearly always bonded to another atom ie water h2o the amount of energy required to separate it into its singular state is more energy than you get off it, ie 1kw of electric used to give you .75kw of hydrogen energy.

So how ever great hydrogen fuel cells are in principle in reality there not practical.

Electrical storage of renewables ie big batteries is the foreseeable solution.

But you will be driving electric cars in 10-15 years time wether you like it or not, most likely you won't even be driving them but they'll probably be autonomous as well

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over a year ago

"Hydrogen is a complete non starter, its impractical to say the least.

So how ever great hydrogen fuel cells are in principle in reality there not practical.

Electrical storage of renewables ie big batteries is the foreseeable solution.

But you will be driving electric cars in 10-15 years time wether you like it or not, most likely you won't even be driving them but they'll probably be autonomous as well"

Will briefly explain. Why spoke of hydrogen.

Urine's major constituent is urea, which incorporates four hydrogen atoms per molecule - importantly, less tightly bonded than the hydrogen atoms in water molecules.

I'm not sure if you know but the patents already exist for us military applications of piss in the gas tank. The hydrogen is released from the urine, combined with some borax solution to stabilise and then used to power the vehicle. It isn't anything new either. Is many others doing similar work but will always be lobbied as a non starter for everyone...bit like the group spending billions world wide discrediting renewable energy.

Its your choice what you think of the benefits or negatives of hydrogen, but from urine extraction seems the way forward for all

I'm not so sure man kind will still be here in 10-15 years, but then we won't have the power capacity to charge said electric cars...so like said all pointless

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over a year ago

"Not for me thanks.

Mostly because they're all so dull and boring

BMW i8 is not boring or dull and my merc will beet most cars away from the lights awesome acceleration

Are you having a laugh? All BMW's are dull and boring - come to think of it, all German cars are. Take the Porsche 911.It still looks like a squashed Beetle. New one looks exactly the same as tge old one.

To be honest, there's very few cars on the market currently that interest me in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank goodness my motoring days will be over before the implementation of this ideologically misconceived initiative....

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Unfortunately the more that they push electric cars, the more they will try to price petrol and diesel off the roads. That's fine if you can afford to buy an electric car, but not so good for those who rely on the used market.

For me the bigger issue is that I drive a VAN, I need it to get my band gear in. There are currently NO "viable" options for an electric van available. There's hardly even any choices for petrol, it has to be diesel... which is fast becoming the scourge of the roads.

Cal

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over a year ago

"Unfortunately the more that they push electric cars, the more they will try to price petrol and diesel off the roads. That's fine if you can afford to buy an electric car, but not so good for those who rely on the used market.

Cal "

Yes I'm keen to see the proposed solution that will be needed to power fully laden HGV / PSV vehicles

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By *icoleAndLisaTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

The current generation of electric cars are great as second cars. You still need a fossil fuel car to do anything long haul, unless you plan to spend half your journey recharging. I saw a Tesla Model X on Dutch plates in Swindon a few months back. I wonder how much of that journey was spent plugged in and going nowhere.

Range needs to be a minimum of 500 miles and charging times need to improve for full electric to become practical. Both achievable as battery technology advances. Charging solutions need to be found for those without driveway parking. Tesla needs to improve its charging infrastructure too. It isn't uncommon to roll past the charging points at Oxford Services and see every charger in use. So if a Tesla owner rocks up with a flat battery, they're stuffed until one of the other owners leaves.

Renault developed an interesting system whereby you leased the battery rather than owned it. Their 'petrol station' equivalents dropped the battery out of the bottom of the car and installed a new, fully charged one in a matter of a couple of minutes. It didn't take off, though.

Oh, and it would be nice to have a few more options that you could actually tow a trailer with. Electric cars would be great for towing (all of that low speed torque) but last time I looked, you couldn't legally attach a towbar to most of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cal "
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Fiat have done the dobolo in electric form for a few years now, depends how big a van you need and distances your wanting to travel,90% of car journeys are less than 20 miles

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over a year ago

"Hydrogen is a complete non starter, its impractical to say the least.

So how ever great hydrogen fuel cells are in principle in reality there not practical.

Electrical storage of renewables ie big batteries is the foreseeable solution.

But you will be driving electric cars in 10-15 years time wether you like it or not, most likely you won't even be driving them but they'll probably be autonomous as well

Will briefly explain. Why spoke of hydrogen.

Urine's major constituent is urea, which incorporates four hydrogen atoms per molecule - importantly, less tightly bonded than the hydrogen atoms in water molecules.

Its your choice what you think of the benefits or negatives of hydrogen, but from urine extraction seems the way forward for all

I'm not so sure man kind will still be here in 10-15 years, but then we won't have the power capacity to charge said electric cars...so like said all pointless

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I'm honestly not trying to discredit anything, its about practicality.

But I'm a novice to this stuff so I'll roll with your thoughts!.

How much hydrogen is in a gallon of piss and how far will it take you?.... Now I'm not sure about you but a gallon of piss a day is about my limit!.

We currently consume 100 million barrels of oil a day and each one contains what roughly 2000 kWhs of energy and 70% of that is used for transport.

So without seeming to discredit your ideas how much piss do we need to produce and store to replace it

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

Saw a partially sighted elderly lady almost getting run over in Tesco car park a few weeks ago. She apologised to the driver saying she didn't hear the car coming.

Just throwing that into the discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Saw a partially sighted elderly lady almost getting run over in Tesco car park a few weeks ago. She apologised to the driver saying she didn't hear the car coming.

Just throwing that into the discussion "
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Lollipop stick in the spokes should work fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total waste of time some only do about. 30 miles on electric ,what's the point.

because technology will mean that this will increase...

for example the model 3 i will eventually get will do up to 250 miles on one charge....."

If you compare a model T ford to the latest Ford Focus that should give you an idea about the progress that can be made.

No one would buy a model T it does about 10 mpg and 35mph flat out. You needed arms like popeye to start it because of the starting handle. Also to steer it as it weighed 2 tons and didn’t have power steering.

Also no windscreen wipers or heater or air con

If there is a market for something then investment into making the best product will be there. It’s a competition and the customer is the winner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The current generation of electric cars are great as second cars. You still need a fossil fuel car to do anything long haul, unless you plan to spend half your journey recharging. I saw a Tesla Model X on Dutch plates in Swindon a few months back. I wonder how much of that journey was spent plugged in and going nowhere.

Tesla's new cells (20700) are a massive improvement over their old type (18650 which was used in everything from cars to laptops), with a 20% improvement in running time at a full 30a discharge. Sadly they cost more than double the cost of the old cells.

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By *atindollTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

see the bit about contactless charging in motion

i simply have no interest in electric cars.if i want to drive one i'll go on the dodgems at the fair

that's fine ... but you might find your internal combustion powered motor taxed off the road in the meantime, which is already happening"

I currently pay 20 pound a year tax for my seat mii,if I had gone for the 62 horse version it would have been 0,It depends how big and powerful a car you want.

It's a little car but I've had it up to 80 mph which is more than fast enough,It's 5 door and has a reasonable boot that fold down seats add to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"untill they invent a battery that can last at least a 1000 miles till it needs charging the electric car is just not going to cut it in the modern fast paced world we live in.

see the bit about contactless charging in motion

i simply have no interest in electric cars.if i want to drive one i'll go on the dodgems at the fair

that's fine ... but you might find your internal combustion powered motor taxed off the road in the meantime, which is already happening

I currently pay 20 pound a year tax for my seat mii,if I had gone for the 62 horse version it would have been 0,It depends how big and powerful a car you want.

It's a little car but I've had it up to 80 mph which is more than fast enough,It's 5 door and has a reasonable boot that fold down seats add to."

You currently pay £20 a year in tax, this won’t always be the case. If the government want you out of petrol cars then they will up the tax both on the car and on the fuel. They haven’t said they are introducing more chargible zones but you can bet they will.

May as well accept it, in 20 years we will all be in electric cars.

Is it so bad tho, I’ve ridden an electric motorbike and it was bloody fast

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over a year ago

Has anyone worked out how much extra electricity will be needed...

30 million cars just in the UK..

And how we are going to generate it?

Or how many jobs will be lost in oil petrol stations etc etc

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over a year ago

"Has anyone worked out how much extra electricity will be needed...

30 million cars just in the UK..

And how we are going to generate it?

Or how many jobs will be lost in oil petrol stations etc etc

The saved fossil fuels will get burned generating all the newly necessary 'leccy

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over a year ago

"Has anyone worked out how much extra electricity will be needed...

30 million cars just in the UK..

And how we are going to generate it?

Or how many jobs will be lost in oil petrol stations etc etc

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Your just shifting one job from fossil fuel to another job creating more than likely solar, wind, tidal.. Etc etc.

Its very doable but and it's a very big but, the c02 required to do the massive infrastructure change is pretty much on the limit for what scientists consider is the "limit" for what we can produce without "catastrophic" climate change... So we have one chance to do this and it has to be right long term or your history.

You pays your money, you takes your best chance

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

As I said on the other thread, Motorhomes and Caravans will all but disappear! No way batteries are able to replace them even in the future unless they allow people to drive much heavier vehicles. Another tonne on the current motorhomes would take them way over the 3.5 tonnes limit licences after 1997 allow.

Just imagine trying to get to France with a caravan or motorhome. Just not feasible, and the same with anywhere outside a 30 mile radius from your home. And all sites would have a massive investment to make in charge points! They are expensive enough now!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they could invent an electric car powered by a wind turbine mounted on the roof which charged the car up as you drove it and the faster you went the more charge it created ,,,

Sox Logic

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I guess it'll be the end for small British sports car manufacturers.

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over a year ago

"As I said on the other thread, Motorhomes and Caravans will all but disappear! No way batteries are able to replace them even in the future unless they allow people to drive much heavier vehicles. Another tonne on the current motorhomes would take them way over the 3.5 tonnes limit licences after 1997 allow.

You're trying to make it sound impossible which couldn't be further from the truth.

We could have a breakthrough in the next 15 years which would make electric cars ridiculously cheap to run, have ranges of 1000's of miles and weighing less than current petrol and diesel cars.

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over a year ago

"Maybe they could invent an electric car powered by a wind turbine mounted on the roof which charged the car up as you drove it and the faster you went the more charge it created ,,,

Sox Logic

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They've already got prototypes for pv bodywork

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By *ack Genuine BullMan
over a year ago

Loughborough

In 5 years time, when the batteries tire out and die,

There will be thousands of electric cars lying unused in garage compounds,

Unwanted, uneconomical to repair,

worthless.

Replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the vehicle.

Nobody will want them. Scrap value only.

An expensive novelty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately, my place of holiday choice is 365 miles away!

The elephant in the room question though.....how do we get the electricity for charging the car? "

you can thank me and my ilk for that piece of the jigsaw as, in the future, mankind will be generating energy the way the big orange ball in the sky does...

Fusion... clean and limitless ...

and we do it almost daily at work (but only for a few seconds)

24/7 is, unfortunately outside my lifetime but I'm doing my bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With all of our advancements in other batteries for phones and other devices...we all forget that the car engine is the same as it was when they first started making cars

So all we need do is put that same level of focus on car/van/lorry batteries and who knows what possabilities there could be

We just need to give up on hydrogen cars and bio diesel as they are nither safe or viable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Getting over the problem of the first and second laws of thermodynamics could be problematic though

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over a year ago

"Maybe they could invent an electric car powered by a wind turbine mounted on the roof which charged the car up as you drove it and the faster you went the more charge it created ,,,

Sox Logic

They've already got prototypes for pv bodywork"

You guys put to much faith in innovation....

Just put bigger wheels on the back and you'll always be travelling downhill

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over a year ago

There have been reports that the high current cable under the drivers seat can cause leaukemia. Especially at risk is the passenger behind the driver.

I'd give the electric cars a wide berth for the first 100years to see how things will pan out first.

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over a year ago

"There have been reports that the high current cable under the drivers seat can cause leaukemia. Especially at risk is the passenger behind the driver.

I'd give the electric cars a wide berth for the first 100years to see how things will pan out first. "
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Well you could join the hundreds of thousands dying from air pollution.

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over a year ago

"There have been reports that the high current cable under the drivers seat can cause leaukemia. Especially at risk is the passenger behind the driver.

I'd give the electric cars a wide berth for the first 100years to see how things will pan out first. .

Well you could join the hundreds of thousands dying from air pollution.

I am in line behind you

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over a year ago

"There have been reports that the high current cable under the drivers seat can cause leaukemia. Especially at risk is the passenger behind the driver.

I'd give the electric cars a wide berth for the first 100years to see how things will pan out first. .

Well you could join the hundreds of thousands dying from air pollution.

I am in line behind you

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Ha don't bother, Ive decided to drown myself

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By *icoleAndLisaTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

"Has anyone worked out how much extra electricity will be needed...

30 million cars just in the UK..

And how we are going to generate it?

Or how many jobs will be lost in oil petrol stations etc etc

If they did just burn oil to produce electricity, it would be more efficient. Build the power station next door to the refinery. No energy wasted hauling petrol and diesel all round the country in tankers. The internal combustion engine is thermally inefficient, which is why it needs so much cooling. Energy you use to accelerate gets wasted as heat when you brake. A F1 KERS type system would address that to some degree.

An electric car uses energy more efficiently, wasting a lot less as heat. Braking energy can be at least partially recovered and stored, to be used to accelerate again later.

Most petrol electric hybrids simply use the electric motor for going slowly or to supplement acceleration of an undersized engine. The Vauxhall Ampera was a nice idea - entirely electric drive, with a petrol driven 'range extender' that could be run at its most efficient speed, regardless of the road speed of the vehicle. I think (not sure) the BMW i3 is similar.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

"Has anyone worked out how much extra electricity will be needed...

30 million cars just in the UK..

And how we are going to generate it?

Or how many jobs will be lost in oil petrol stations etc etc

Your just shifting one job from fossil fuel to another job creating more than likely solar, wind, tidal.. Etc etc.

You pays your money, you takes your best chance

How much pollution is the infrastructure going to cause? I can`t see much change in construction machinery power units, cement needs loads of energy to manufacture, extra steel, plastics and all the energy to scrap vehicles that still have useful life left in them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone worked out how much extra electricity will be needed...

30 million cars just in the UK..

And how we are going to generate it?

Or how many jobs will be lost in oil petrol stations etc etc

Your just shifting one job from fossil fuel to another job creating more than likely solar, wind, tidal.. Etc etc.

You pays your money, you takes your best chance

If we perfectly transit from our current high carbon society to a near zero (not actually possible but hey that's life) carbon society... If we get it right first time and run it out as smoothly but as quickly as possible.

Its just about within the limits of catastrophic climate change (probably around the 4-6 degree above baseline).... That's the best shot we have!.

If we don't do it... Well soon you'll have the worst effects arriving, nothing short of a miracle like a comet or super volcano will stop us going over 10 degrees with 50 years.

Basically fucked

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Cal .

Fiat have done the dobolo in electric form for a few years now, depends how big a van you need and distances your wanting to travel,90% of car journeys are less than 20 miles"

Note the "viable".

The Doblo is a car sized van. Cal might struggle to get his drums in, not to mention speakers and other equipment.

Most gigs are rather more than a 20mile round trip.

Lots of businesses use a Transit sized vans, there is no electric equivalent to my knowledge.

Nita

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over a year ago

Cal .

Fiat have done the dobolo in electric form for a few years now, depends how big a van you need and distances your wanting to travel,90% of car journeys are less than 20 miles

Note the "viable".

The Doblo is a car sized van. Cal might struggle to get his drums in, not to mention speakers and other equipment.

Most gigs are rather more than a 20mile round trip.

Lots of businesses use a Transit sized vans, there is no electric equivalent to my knowledge.

Nita"

Nissan do a van based on the leaf it’s the same size as a transit connect

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

"There have been reports that the high current cable under the drivers seat can cause leaukemia. Especially at risk is the passenger behind the driver.

I'd give the electric cars a wide berth for the first 100years to see how things will pan out first. .

Well you could join the hundreds of thousands dying from air pollution.

I am in line behind you

Ha don't bother, Ive decided to drown myself

Well you won't have to try hard if climate change continues, Angelsey will be under 10 feet of water by Christmas.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I want a Tesla model 3 right now...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I want a Tesla model 3 right now...

I'll let you have a whizz around when I get mine (in about 18 months time) lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There have been reports that the high current cable under the drivers seat can cause leaukemia. Especially at risk is the passenger behind the driver.

I'd give the electric cars a wide berth for the first 100years to see how things will pan out first. .

Well you could join the hundreds of thousands dying from air pollution.

I am in line behind you

Ha don't bother, Ive decided to drown myself

Well you won't have to try hard if climate change continues, Angelsey will be under 10 feet of water by Christmas."
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Wrong type of drowning but thanks for your concern anyhow

Besides angelsey in places is a hundred metres above sea level, I'll be just dandy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keen to know where car owners who live in blocks of flats or terraced streets and houses with no off street parking manage to run the miles of cables to charge their electric cars up....

It's an ill conceived folly for mass motoring in the UK "

Indeed. A toy for the idle rich, at this moment in time. Nothing changes.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

Electric cars ok for town/city driving, for longer drives you've got to take into account the range of the cars battery etc.

Hopefully there's a charging point at your destination.

Electric cars are a bit limited in there range.

Seen in Glasgow cars on charge you can hire etc.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"contactless charging while in motion "

Would probably cost an absolute fortune.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

Also, think the news had said we'd have to build like 3 power stations just for charging cars.

Plus you'd have to install millions of charging points.

And in here in Scotland you could end up middle of nowhere, miles away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My old man has a new electric car. Yes they are a good idea and yes i was very impressed by it. However i am yet to find one that is pleasing on the eye. Add to that the fact that i would never be able to afford one i dont think they will catch on. The other down side is that due to the ratio of charging stations you have to spend ages planning every trip taking in to account things like light usuage at night. So for me its a yes very good idea but just not practical enough. Anyway i do my bit by using an electric train for commuting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keen to know where car owners who live in blocks of flats or terraced streets and houses with no off street parking manage to run the miles of cables to charge their electric cars up....

It's an ill conceived folly for mass motoring in the UK "

People will have their cars charged up at the approriate charging stations, just as they do now with petrol and diesel. There isn't have a petrol station outside every house yet people manage.

There are already charging spots in streets. They're a bit like parking meters. It really won't be that difficult, especially as they get more efficient and you'll be able to go further on one charge.

"Crap idea - there isn't enough electricity in the UK to charge them all up if everybody had one.

Let's build another 3 nuclear power stations - well that's at least 18 years away.

Windmills - oh fuck it's not windy so I can't charge the car !!!!

We could always keep importing gas from Russia and electricity from France, I am sure those guys will be helpful for the forseeable future - what could go wrong ???"

In the early 90s I had a 386 computer with a 14" monitor, a 240MB hard drive, 8MB of RAM and a 14,4K modem. Now there's more computing power in my fridge.

Saying we need more nuclear power stations is like somebody in the 90s saying we need more typewriters because this computer thing will never take off.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Certain councils are now insisting on a charge point being built into all new build houses.

Electric town cars, buses and delivery trucks should be the first step. Encourage users to clean up the cities and see how it works out.

And it'll be goodbye to Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc. After all, who would by a silent sports car!

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Keen to know where car owners who live in blocks of flats or terraced streets and houses with no off street parking manage to run the miles of cables to charge their electric cars up....

It's an ill conceived folly for mass motoring in the UK

People will have their cars charged up at the approriate charging stations, just as they do now with petrol and diesel. There isn't have a petrol station outside every house yet people manage.

Crap idea - there isn't enough electricity in the UK to charge them all up if everybody had one.

Let's build another 3 nuclear power stations - well that's at least 18 years away.

Windmills - oh fuck it's not windy so I can't charge the car !!!!

We could always keep importing gas from Russia and electricity from France, I am sure those guys will be helpful for the forseeable future - what could go wrong ???

In the early 90s I had a 386 computer with a 14" monitor, a 240MB hard drive, 8MB of RAM and a 14,4K modem. Now there's more computing power in my fridge.

Saying we need more nuclear power stations is like somebody in the 90s saying we need more typewriters because this computer thing will never take off."

Well let's all join hands and hope that fission technology is developed as quick as the PC because if we don't have nuclear what will provide the power? Wind, waves, tidal, solar ? How much capacity can be generated by that lot do you think ? Out of the 4 options there is only tidal that you can guarantee.

We will be importing electricity from France - because they like nuclear power. I hope we stay friends with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think about how mobile phones were 10 years ago, or TV’s

It’s all about consumer pressure, if the big companies think they can make a bob or two out of you by selling you something shiny they will put effort into developing it.

I guarantee in the next 10 years electric cars will come on leaps and bounds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keen to know where car owners who live in blocks of flats or terraced streets and houses with no off street parking manage to run the miles of cables to charge their electric cars up....

It's an ill conceived folly for mass motoring in the UK

People will have their cars charged up at the approriate charging stations, just as they do now with petrol and diesel. There isn't have a petrol station outside every house yet people manage.

Crap idea - there isn't enough electricity in the UK to charge them all up if everybody had one.

Let's build another 3 nuclear power stations - well that's at least 18 years away.

Windmills - oh fuck it's not windy so I can't charge the car !!!!

We could always keep importing gas from Russia and electricity from France, I am sure those guys will be helpful for the forseeable future - what could go wrong ???

In the early 90s I had a 386 computer with a 14" monitor, a 240MB hard drive, 8MB of RAM and a 14,4K modem. Now there's more computing power in my fridge.

Saying we need more nuclear power stations is like somebody in the 90s saying we need more typewriters because this computer thing will never take off.

We will be importing electricity from France - because they like nuclear power. I hope we stay friends with them."
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France have about 50 nuclear power stations most of which will be up for decommissioning in the next 10-20 years at about 10 billon a pop... Or you could look at the proposed hinkley c with its £98 a mwh which will be the most expensive electricity produced anywhere in the world!!

Wind waves tidal and solar which one will produce for us you ask?.

Its not a case of one but all of them probably with some storage thrown into the mix as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My old man has a new electric car. Yes they are a good idea and yes i was very impressed by it. However i am yet to find one that is pleasing on the eye. Add to that the fact that i would never be able to afford one i dont think they will catch on. The other down side is that due to the ratio of charging stations you have to spend ages planning every trip taking in to account things like light usuage at night. So for me its a yes very good idea but just not practical enough. Anyway i do my bit by using an electric train for commuting "
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All trains are electric, even the diesel ones

Inductive charging will be the common route in ten years or so, built into the ground of parking bays and drives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard of something called the Hindenberg exploding because of hydrogen. Apparently the fire service are still trying to get the technology to deal with Hindenberg cars. Very dangerous stuff. I will give you a scene to answer to this: it's 2040 and petrol and and diesel are banned, you want to go on holiday to cornwall, but there's only the Renault Zoe and Nissan leaf that electric, and they have a range of 100 miles. How do you get there in a reasonable time and not wanting to pay a ripoff train company to get there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard of something called the Hindenberg exploding because of hydrogen. Apparently the fire service are still trying to get the technology to deal with Hindenberg cars. Very dangerous stuff. I will give you a scene to answer to this: it's 2040 and petrol and and diesel are banned, you want to go on holiday to cornwall, but there's only the Renault Zoe and Nissan leaf that electric, and they have a range of 100 miles. How do you get there in a reasonable time and not wanting to pay a ripoff train company to get there?"
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I could give you another scenario, its 2040 nobodys done anything to solve a problem and your still driving around in a diesel car to Cornwall, in the 23 years you've wasted fucking about children all over the city's of the UK have grown up with chronic lung conditions, the lung cancer rates have gone through the roof, asthma has reached epidemic levels and the sea has rose 6 metres meaning most of the Cornish fishing villages are gone anyhow, global mean temperatures have risen 4 degrees cutting off a great deal of the flow of the North Atlantic drift leaving Cornwall with unbearably cold summers of rain due to the extra 11% of water vapour now held by the rising mean temperatures... Still, we've still got a diesel car hey and that's progress

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And petrol is perfectly safe, no one ever had any problems with that during an accident.

It’s 1994 that’s 23 years ago cast your mind back, no mobile phones, no PC’s or very few.

No internet, no information revolution.

Cars were pretty much the same tho, obviously they don’t have powered steering, electric windows, air con, air bigs, cruise control. Parking sensors. Definitely no MP3 players.

25mpg was considered good, but petrol was cheap.

Now fast forward to today. Nothing’s changed, we haven’t made any progress at all, well some cars drive themselves, even more park them selves. I remember driving a milk float back in 94 10 mph that did, nothing like a Tesla I can tell you.

Everything changes, market forces will come into play.

You will have no problems getting to Cornwall in 2040, it will probably be by boat as Cornwall will be under water, but it will definitely be an electric boat

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

Yea, in '94 probably fewer PC's. But they were around, and the internet was a dial-up.

I was at college on a computing course.

Windows '95 and the main "C" drive wasn't even in gigabits. Only megabits.

Remember the floppy disk drives etc

From the computers we used in secondary school. But the computer graphics were much more basic, like the Commodore 64, I owned one around early 90's

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

Oh, and I remember seeing milk floats, they looked useless. Now they speed around in diesel vans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yea, in '94 probably fewer PC's. But they were around, and the internet was a dial-up.

I was at college on a computing course.

Windows '95 and the main "C" drive wasn't even in gigabits. Only megabits.

Remember the floppy disk drives etc

From the computers we used in secondary school. But the computer graphics were much more basic, like the Commodore 64, I owned one around early 90's"

I’d bet there are probably as many electric cars now as there were pc’s in 94.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, and I remember seeing milk floats, they looked useless. Now they speed around in diesel vans "

They did the job they were bought for, by 2040 they will all be back in milk floats again.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"Oh, and I remember seeing milk floats, they looked useless. Now they speed around in diesel vans

They did the job they were bought for, by 2040 they will all be back in milk floats again. "

I'm not disputing that. Still 23 years and almost a generation away.

Electric car have definitely improved, still limited in there distance some are around 100miles a charge I believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, and I remember seeing milk floats, they looked useless. Now they speed around in diesel vans

They did the job they were bought for, by 2040 they will all be back in milk floats again.

I'm not disputing that. Still 23 years and almost a generation away.

Electric car have definitely improved, still limited in there distance some are around 100miles a charge I believe."

Milk floats changed little for 50 years, why because they did the job they were needed for.

Cars on the other hand have changed a lot.

I had a Ford Focus, it had a 1ltr engine that produced 125bhp and did a happy 50mpg.

Contrast that to the ford Sierra I had in the 90’s

That was a 2ltr had 110bhp and did probably 25mpg.

If you look at a Tesla model 3 it has a 250 mile range and is as fast to 60 as my motorbike.

It also looks the business, old Elon can’t make them fast enough, you really think ford bmw VW and the like are going to stand there idle. No they are going to invest billions in R&D

Batteries will get better, range and charge times will improve. Performance won’t because let’s face it electric engines already push trains and ships around today so little tin boxes filled with you and me won’t be a problem

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

I've seen the tesla, looks cool, but didn't know it's range was that impressive.

I know it won't be that long till electric cars everywhere.

I'd happy buy one someday.

Know what your saying about the old sierras.

MPG on the cosworths must have been crap like you said 25mpg 30mpg at a push

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah the Tesla’s have had 250 mile range for a while now only problem is they are 60 grand, the model 3 is sub 30k and will be here next year. I know a few people that have them on order.

I drove a Nissan Leaf and that had a 140 mile range, tho it was in summer I believe winter is different with lights and heater, also if you cane it. The point is we are getting there

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"Yeah the Tesla’s have had 250 mile range for a while now only problem is they are 60 grand, the model 3 is sub 30k and will be here next year. I know a few people that have them on order.

I drove a Nissan Leaf and that had a 140 mile range, tho it was in summer I believe winter is different with lights and heater, also if you cane it. The point is we are getting there"

I know you seem very pro electric cars which is good.

I could easily use an electric car to go back and from work as I'm like a 10min/3mile drive to work (and same back obviously).

So would suit me ok.

I understand when you "cane" the car.

My car battery gave up on me recently and AA guy was impressed it had lasted me 5years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah the Tesla’s have had 250 mile range for a while now only problem is they are 60 grand, the model 3 is sub 30k and will be here next year. I know a few people that have them on order.

I drove a Nissan Leaf and that had a 140 mile range, tho it was in summer I believe winter is different with lights and heater, also if you cane it. The point is we are getting there

I know you seem very pro electric cars which is good.

I could easily use an electric car to go back and from work as I'm like a 10min/3mile drive to work (and same back obviously).

So would suit me ok.

I understand when you "cane" the car.

My car battery gave up on me recently and AA guy was impressed it had lasted me 5years.

I nearly got one last year, I leased my last car and when it came time to change I strongly considered a Nissan Leaf. I’d of probably got one except during the summer I tend to cycle or ride a motorbike. It seemed a waste to spend that kind of money on any car just for occasional use, so I bought a cheap motor smto see me thru the winter months

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

It's inevitable I'll get an electric car the way things are going.

Defo there range will defo have improved with technology etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government needs to stop following what France or whatever other country has done recently and do its own thing. If someone says to downing st., put your hand in the fire, they should say fuck you pal. This country is slowly going like north korea.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"The government needs to stop following what France or whatever other country has done recently and do its own thing. If someone says to downing st., put your hand in the fire, they should say fuck you pal. This country is slowly going like north korea. "

Think this county has been going downhill since the THATCHER era

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should be developing and supporting new ways of generating power, being self sufficient allows us to be more independent politically

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"We should be developing and supporting new ways of generating power, being self sufficient allows us to be more independent politically "

I know your quite pro-electric cars etc, but it did say somewhere on the news or something that 3 new nuclear power stations would have to be built if every car was electric.

I'm not sure what other ways we can generate power, I know they have they "wind farms"

But sorry to say there huge monstrous eye sores

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

Bloody things should have stuka-style air-driven sirens on them so other road-users can hear them coming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was very tempted to get the i8 a few months back, great car and superb to drive

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

Electric vehicles are good and acceleration is good

I like and if I could would be happy to own an electric car

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

funny enough.... tesla had there official model 3 launch event last night where they have there first model 3's to actual customers....

its coming in 2 versions.... standard which will cost basic $35,000 (about £27,000 and remember you would get 4500 off that with the government electric car grant) which will have a range of approx 220 miles....

and long range, which will cost basic $44,000 (about £33,500 again with the extra 4500 off that as well) which will have a range of approx 310 miles.....

if when the reviews properly come in they are as good as they are, then i think we do have a gamechanger... and remember, the tech is only going to get bet better and cheaper, and the distances are going to get longer....

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

The electric companies will be rubbing their hands with glee.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"The electric companies will be rubbing their hands with glee. "

Yea, don't think they'll complain.

I mean just imagine your electric bill when it comes through, price will be SHOCKING.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Transition to electric cars won't prevent this kind of appocalypcis if it were to happen.

Don't believe all statistics and analysis that comes from the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The electric companies will be rubbing their hands with glee.

Yea, don't think they'll complain.

I mean just imagine your electric bill when it comes through, price will be SHOCKING."

Our telephones are all electric. No electricity, not even a phone to communicate emergency. Can't charge your mobile phone. Can't even drive in the future..

Will the electric companies decide hiw deal with civil unrest in the future???

Flip the switch off and all is alright

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