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"Award winning documentary by Cassie Jaye. Has anyone seen it? If so, what did you think?" . Run us through the jist of it  | |||
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"Award winning documentary by Cassie Jaye. Has anyone seen it? If so, what did you think?. Run us through the jist of it "Award winning documentary maker and life long feminist cassie jaye starts by making a documentary of mens rights activists and ends up changing some (not all) of her views | |||
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"May one ask where it is possible to view such a programme ? " YouTube if you can spare £3.75 | |||
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"May one ask where it is possible to view such a programme ? YouTube if you can spare £3.75" One tends to enjoy freebies to a far greater extent. Would you say it was worth every little piece of £3.75? | |||
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be "Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is. Bless their little ignorances x | |||
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"May one ask where it is possible to view such a programme ? YouTube if you can spare £3.75 One tends to enjoy freebies to a far greater extent. Would you say it was worth every little piece of £3.75?" I haven't seen it yet, just clips. I sort of started the thread to see if it was worth £3.75! The only person i know who has seen it, said it was excellent and there's a 9 minute trailer you can watch for free which does look good. I'm not really into men vrs women arguements as i am a man who is rather fond of women, but the bits about her conflicting emotions look powerful and intriguing. | |||
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be
Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is.
Bless their little ignorances x ". I don't particularly like clumping people together as one group as if there one from something they were born with and without control. | |||
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"May one ask where it is possible to view such a programme ? YouTube if you can spare £3.75 One tends to enjoy freebies to a far greater extent. Would you say it was worth every little piece of £3.75? I haven't seen it yet, just clips. I sort of started the thread to see if it was worth £3.75! The only person i know who has seen it, said it was excellent and there's a 9 minute trailer you can watch for free which does look good. I'm not really into men vrs women arguements as i am a man who is rather fond of women, but the bits about her conflicting emotions look powerful and intriguing. " You've sold it to me. I like the way you think/ post. I need to go find this it sounds interesting. | |||
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be
Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is.
Bless their little ignorances x .
I don't particularly like clumping people together as one group as if there one from something they were born with and without control.
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be
Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is.
Bless their little ignorances x .
I don't particularly like clumping people together as one group as if there one from something they were born with and without control.
Moi neither but i'm missing your point ". Human nature, those that follow follow and those that lead lead. 99% are governed by 1% while being told the problem is patriarchal | |||
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"May one ask where it is possible to view such a programme ? YouTube if you can spare £3.75 One tends to enjoy freebies to a far greater extent. Would you say it was worth every little piece of £3.75? I haven't seen it yet, just clips. I sort of started the thread to see if it was worth £3.75! The only person i know who has seen it, said it was excellent and there's a 9 minute trailer you can watch for free which does look good. I'm not really into men vrs women arguements as i am a man who is rather fond of women, but the bits about her conflicting emotions look powerful and intriguing. You've sold it to me. I like the way you think/ post. I need to go find this it sounds interesting. " I have also heard her do a speech on her experience of filming it and i think the appeal is that you can get a pretty objective view of a subject that is dominated by misinformation and political agendas | |||
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"Loved it. Counter intuitive but made some great points. Warren Farrell The Myth of Male Power is even better. As a couple we want to build a partnership as soul mates rather than role mates. I'm a feminist and men's rights activist as long as that is defined as seeking equal rights and opportunities for both sexes. There are areas where both are unfairly treated and should not be opposed to eachother. " My favourite quote from her is that mens rights issues are just human rights issues (that happen to effect men more in the current circumstances) | |||
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"Its on Amazon if you have Prime its free  "I do 
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"Was I the only one expecting a thread about The Matrix ? "Probably. | |||
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"Was I the only one expecting a thread about The Matrix ? "The mens rights organisations chose the term which originates from the movie, the documentary reuses the mens rights name | |||
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"Its on Amazon if you have Prime its free "Cheers, Amazon Prime customer here so I'll give it a shot. There are other ways of watching this for free, but I don't think I should mention it in a public forum. | |||
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"I'm half an hour in so far. It's well made and interesting but i'm not sure I agree with how the evidence is being used. I'll report back mid week when i've watched the rest" Cool, genuinely interested in your view. I do stress she is not endorsing the views of all the people she talks to, more saying that we should have the debate and most people are neither 100% right or wrong so she wants to take the good points where possible. I do understand she interviews some guy who has a very obsecure position on r***, i think you'd be hard pressed to find more than about 10 other people in the world that agree with him but that doesn't invalidate all his points either. | |||
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The mens rights organisations chose the term which originates from the movie, the documentary reuses the mens rights name"Ohhhhhh okkkk | |||
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"Marc and I watched it a few weeks ago. It's pretty interesting while also being kinda frustrating. I think it's worth a watch, though. Learning about the "red pill" culture, that has largely been cultivated on the internet, was interesting. I think most of it is just twisting facts, but there are some really fair and interesting points being made by the men's rights movement (mostly about child custody and divorce proceedings). It's worth watching, albeit critically." I know what you mean about the internet clans, there are a bunch of semi popular channels for mental feminists (e.g. laci green) and equally mental mens rights advocates (e.g. MGTOW). I do note that most of them seem to be american... None of them seem to have a basic grasp of probability, which would actually explain most of the 'evidence' they use to 'prove' their respective conspiracy theories. | |||
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"i've found a free online version, no login or anything but it does open another browser tab saying deceptive site.the film is playing just fine though. might be flagged coz it's a free site? first result on google if you search for 'the red pill watch online'. loads of men hate women coz we won't fuck them or submit to them. i will enjoy this film." Going non-PC here, yes there are a bunch of frustrated men who aren't successful with men. Often they have low incomes and feel resentful that women choose better providers over them. However, a lot of feminists also seem angry that they don't meet conventional standards of beauty. It seems that both extremes are much more likley to be deficient in dating currency, compared to the average joe. | |||
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"Loved it. Counter intuitive but made some great points. Warren Farrell The Myth of Male Power is even better. As a couple we want to build a partnership as soul mates rather than role mates. I'm a feminist and men's rights activist as long as that is defined as seeking equal rights and opportunities for both sexes. There are areas where both are unfairly treated and should not be opposed to eachother. My favourite quote from her is that mens rights issues are just human rights issues (that happen to effect men more in the current circumstances)" much as this is kind of true i do not fully agree. everyone, from gender to colour, has been oppressed in different ways. for example. females being seen as the weaker sex means that if a man wants to be feminine he is weak for doing so. a woman trying to be a male will also be mocked somewhat, and will have her own struggle, but men will not have that struggle to be a man. and a man will not ever be repressed for trying to fulfil a dominant role, except by other men going for the same role. i honestly do not think men are naturally more competitive than women. just we were taken out of the competition, not considered worthy to compete. and although i do like the liberal way of taking away competition in schools i do wonder why they are promoting an agenda that says not to compete, when basically that is what everything this past couple of centuries has promoted, except to the lower classes. who, when they became industrialised, did not even need to have skills, never mind compete. | |||
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"i've found a free online version, no login or anything but it does open another browser tab saying deceptive site.the film is playing just fine though. might be flagged coz it's a free site? first result on google if you search for 'the red pill watch online'. loads of men hate women coz we won't fuck them or submit to them. i will enjoy this film. Going non-PC here, yes there are a bunch of frustrated men who aren't successful with men. Often they have low incomes and feel resentful that women choose better providers over them. However, a lot of feminists also seem angry that they don't meet conventional standards of beauty. It seems that both extremes are much more likley to be deficient in dating currency, compared to the average joe. " i don't fit that convention. thing is, as a women and a feminist too i suppose, i recognise i'm not here to fit anyone elses standards of beauty. if a man finds me repulsive, well tough shit quite frankly. i am not here to please him aesthetically. it's my life, my body, and if someone doesn't like it then what business is it of theirs anyway? not their body, not their life, not their head to fuck with. | |||
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"Loved it. Counter intuitive but made some great points. Warren Farrell The Myth of Male Power is even better. As a couple we want to build a partnership as soul mates rather than role mates. I'm a feminist and men's rights activist as long as that is defined as seeking equal rights and opportunities for both sexes. There are areas where both are unfairly treated and should not be opposed to eachother. My favourite quote from her is that mens rights issues are just human rights issues (that happen to effect men more in the current circumstances) much as this is kind of true i do not fully agree. everyone, from gender to colour, has been oppressed in different ways. for example. females being seen as the weaker sex means that if a man wants to be feminine he is weak for doing so. a woman trying to be a male will also be mocked somewhat, and will have her own struggle, but men will not have that struggle to be a man. and a man will not ever be repressed for trying to fulfil a dominant role, except by other men going for the same role. i honestly do not think men are naturally more competitive than women. just we were taken out of the competition, not considered worthy to compete. and although i do like the liberal way of taking away competition in schools i do wonder why they are promoting an agenda that says not to compete, when basically that is what everything this past couple of centuries has promoted, except to the lower classes. who, when they became industrialised, did not even need to have skills, never mind compete. " Why do you like taking competition out of schools? I feel like its lying to kids, firstly GCSEs are a massive competition in themselves. Secondly, adult life is all about competition so hardly setting them up for life well. There is actually a phenomenon where excellent performance at school tends to result in poorer performance in adult life, since getting along with teachers at school mainly involves blindly following rules to avoid conflict. Men are naturally more competitive than women, this is deeply rooted in evolutionary psychology. That does not also mean that there hasn't been social pressure to make women less competitive than they would otherwise be. But all things being equal, the average woman would be less competitive than the average male. You can often see this with attitudes towards conflict, women tend to avoid it and prefer conflict whilst men are more inclined to brawl. Historically, if men could triump in the conflict it gave them a reproductive advantage whilst for women it was more likely to result in the eventual loss of resources. Asymmetric incentives over thousands of years ... I don't like feminine men. There's nothing wrong with being a woman, just like there's no problem with a rugby player handling a ball. But footballers aren't allowed to handle the ball. Rugby players and footballers are different, so are men and women. | |||
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"and if women bring up their kids on their own it's nothing, you know. women are meant to do that. and even then it took until the 1980s for this to be acceptable somewhat, now it's seen as the norm and nothing out the ordinary to have a child and bring it up on your own, except... she did it to get a council house. she did it to claim benefits. she did to gain something, not coz she wanted a child and the father walked away and left her to it or just didn't want to be involved or was abusive. nah she did it to gain, for herself. and if she wants an abortion then society tells her this is wrong too. she has to suffer the consequences of not withholding sex and for succumbing to her sexual desires. how many men can not have a baby, or walk away from any they have, and suffer any stigmatism for doing so? nobody fucking interferes and says hey you have to stay for that child, you have to raise it, you cannot walk away from your sexual responsibilities. i'd say not many coz way more men walk away than women do. and this is patriarchy as a form of control over women. this is one prime, and fundamental, example of how women have less power and respect than men do, this is oppression. and it's automatic. women do it as well as men. base all oppression on that example, coz it is the basic of life to have children or to have sex, it's the most basic thing we can do. and even that is controlled. so no men do not have it worse than women. they might have it worse than other men, or patriarchy has denied them the rights to be female/feminine but no you've never been stopped from being men. women always being interfered with like it's mens god given right to. " Quote from the film 'the Godfather' (the reference material for masculine behaviour) "a man who does not spend time with his family can never be a real man". I think your observations about women are correct but your comments about men are way off. Pretty much every guy i know looks down their nose at men who don't provide for their families. Like it or not, Jeremy Kyle is a popular TV show because the staple of each episode is a middle class man shouting at a lower class man that he shouldn't have kids if he can't provide for them. Oh and get a job. | |||
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"Why do you like taking competition out of schools? I feel like its lying to kids, firstly GCSEs are a massive competition in themselves. " Because competition does not improve people. It makes them more likely to cheat, not to work harder. People have natural abilities and talents, they can improve on them if given the opportunity to, but someone disadvantaged is gonna be a lot less likely to be able. So already your natural abilities are being taken out of the competition. This is what disadvantaging people does and why we have a system of hierarchy. "Secondly, adult life is all about competition so hardly setting them up for life well. There is actually a phenomenon where excellent performance at school tends to result in poorer performance in adult life, since getting along with teachers at school mainly involves blindly following rules to avoid conflict. " Basically you just argued your first point right here. Adding additional fuel to me disagreeing.
"Men are naturally more competitive than women, this is deeply rooted in evolutionary psychology. " I disagree. You have been conditioned to be so. Why aren't most men wearing make up yet women do? Why do fat, bald, men feel comfortable showing off most of their body in summer and women do not? Conditioning. "That does not also mean that there hasn't been social pressure to make women less competitive than they would otherwise be." Thank you. I believe conditioning is the strongest factor and possibly the only factor for some things. "But all things being equal, the average woman would be less competitive than the average male. You can often see this with attitudes towards conflict, women tend to avoid it and prefer conflict whilst men are more inclined to brawl. " Because competition has been conditioned into men. Competition, especially if your on the 'losing side', is stressful. There's actually been studies now on people and how poverty causes a lot of the violence in men. Poverty is the cause. Poverty causes stress, and causes violence. You cannot compete with people also on the lower and of advantage, so you blame them and not the system. It's not coincidence that rich areas do not welcome poor people, they do not want poor people there blaming them for inequality. They'd rather they blamed each other, immigrants, women (haha) and anyone but the system designed to oppress them. Women, less is expected of them. I think this is the only 'favouritism' that women have gotten from oppression. It's less stressful to be one, unless you have aspirations to be more than a 'woman'. "Historically, if men could triump in the conflict it gave them a reproductive advantage whilst for women it was more likely to result in the eventual loss of resources. Asymmetric incentives over thousands of years ..." But these men did not reproduce with womens consent. Their genes were not passed on because mates decided the 'winners' were the best mates to reproduce with. They were forced to just because these men had won and had the right to take anything they wanted as winners. They also took the resources. "I don't like feminine men. There's nothing wrong with being a woman, just like there's no problem with a rugby player handling a ball. But footballers aren't allowed to handle the ball. Rugby players and footballers are different, so are men and women. "
Yes, many are liberal in their views and happy to let people be whoever they want to be. But there is still people who exist, and their beliefs are based in patriarchy, who think women have a role and men have a role and anything outside of those is wrong, should be mocked, abused, or even killed. Not just here in the UK, other countries are worse than here too. | |||
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"Was I the only one expecting a thread about The Matrix ? "....no I thought that too ...love those movies ....love the girl in the tight black number very much | |||
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"Why do you like taking competition out of schools? I feel like its lying to kids, firstly GCSEs are a massive competition in themselves. Because competition does not improve people. It makes them more likely to cheat, not to work harder. People have natural abilities and talents, they can improve on them if given the opportunity to, but someone disadvantaged is gonna be a lot less likely to be able. So already your natural abilities are being taken out of the competition. This is what disadvantaging people does and why we have a system of hierarchy. Secondly, adult life is all about competition so hardly setting them up for life well. There is actually a phenomenon where excellent performance at school tends to result in poorer performance in adult life, since getting along with teachers at school mainly involves blindly following rules to avoid conflict. Basically you just argued your first point right here. Adding additional fuel to me disagreeing.
Men are naturally more competitive than women, this is deeply rooted in evolutionary psychology.
I disagree.
You have been conditioned to be so.
Why aren't most men wearing make up yet women do? Why do fat, bald, men feel comfortable showing off most of their body in summer and women do not? Conditioning.
That does not also mean that there hasn't been social pressure to make women less competitive than they would otherwise be.
Thank you. I believe conditioning is the strongest factor and possibly the only factor for some things.
But all things being equal, the average woman would be less competitive than the average male. You can often see this with attitudes towards conflict, women tend to avoid it and prefer conflict whilst men are more inclined to brawl.
Because competition has been conditioned into men. Competition, especially if your on the 'losing side', is stressful. There's actually been studies now on people and how poverty causes a lot of the violence in men. Poverty is the cause. Poverty causes stress, and causes violence. You cannot compete with people also on the lower and of advantage, so you blame them and not the system. It's not coincidence that rich areas do not welcome poor people, they do not want poor people there blaming them for inequality. They'd rather they blamed each other, immigrants, women (haha) and anyone but the system designed to oppress them.
Women, less is expected of them. I think this is the only 'favouritism' that women have gotten from oppression. It's less stressful to be one, unless you have aspirations to be more than a 'woman'.
Historically, if men could triump in the conflict it gave them a reproductive advantage whilst for women it was more likely to result in the eventual loss of resources. Asymmetric incentives over thousands of years ...
But these men did not reproduce with womens consent. Their genes were not passed on because mates decided the 'winners' were the best mates to reproduce with. They were forced to just because these men had won and had the right to take anything they wanted as winners. They also took the resources.
I don't like feminine men. There's nothing wrong with being a woman, just like there's no problem with a rugby player handling a ball. But footballers aren't allowed to handle the ball. Rugby players and footballers are different, so are men and women.
Yes, many are liberal in their views and happy to let people be whoever they want to be. But there is still people who exist, and their beliefs are based in patriarchy, who think women have a role and men have a role and anything outside of those is wrong, should be mocked, abused, or even killed. Not just here in the UK, other countries are worse than here too. "Thanks for your responses, as ever, i do find them interesting. Ultimately no amount of debate would lead to one of agreeing but the points of disagreement are like the fundamental issues of capitalism vrs communism. In one of them, competition drives people to be better versions of themselves and the other believes people have innate gifts that they are inclined to use without the need for material incentives. Personally i feel the fall of the Soviet union and China's economic progress after communist economic policies were abandoned prove which system works better beyond reasonable doubt. But the people who don't agree with that never will. | |||
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"Quote from the film 'the Godfather' (the reference material for masculine behaviour) "a man who does not spend time with his family can never be a real man". I think your observations about women are correct but your comments about men are way off. Pretty much every guy i know looks down their nose at men who don't provide for their families. Like it or not, Jeremy Kyle is a popular TV show because the staple of each episode is a middle class man shouting at a lower class man that he shouldn't have kids if he can't provide for them. Oh and get a job. " provide for their families. do you mean financially? as they are usually at a financial advantage i do not think this counts. seriously. do they ever have to pay for woman they got pregnant and support her through maternity care?this is important, i will discuss this more further down. are men ever pressured to stay with their children and not to walk out on them at all? are they ever pressured to give up their jobs and lives to look after them? women are. women are even expected to give up their bodies for 10 months to support a pregnancy she doesn't want, and struggle financially, damaging their body in the process and possibly their minds.there are groups of people who exist and pressurise them as if it's their business. where are the pressure groups oppressing men in the same way? they do not exist. no feminist has even pressurised men. all they want is support from men, as they are advantaged and more likely to be in a position to change things with them. the MRA is all about oppression. it's supposed to be a mens rights group but it always uses womens causes to shut them down. it doesn't even support men. it supports oppression. | |||
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" YouTube if you can spare £3.75 I haven't seen it yet, just clips. I sort of started the thread to see if it was worth £3.75! " Or you could torrent it? | |||
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"Thanks for your responses, as ever, i do find them interesting. Ultimately no amount of debate would lead to one of agreeing but the points of disagreement are like the fundamental issues of capitalism vrs communism. In one of them, competition drives people to be better versions of themselves and the other believes people have innate gifts that they are inclined to use without the need for material incentives. Personally i feel the fall of the Soviet union and China's economic progress after communist economic policies were abandoned prove which system works better beyond reasonable doubt. But the people who don't agree with that never will. " the heirarchy system oppresses all, except those at the very high rungs of it. so, every 'normal' person out there is oppressed to a degree. the less advantages you have the more likely you are to never reach your full potential. women are still lower down than men on the system. at this time. as for capitalism, most of the world is in huge debt to a communist country. says it all really. | |||
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"Thanks for your responses, as ever, i do find them interesting. Ultimately no amount of debate would lead to one of agreeing but the points of disagreement are like the fundamental issues of capitalism vrs communism. In one of them, competition drives people to be better versions of themselves and the other believes people have innate gifts that they are inclined to use without the need for material incentives. Personally i feel the fall of the Soviet union and China's economic progress after communist economic policies were abandoned prove which system works better beyond reasonable doubt. But the people who don't agree with that never will. the heirarchy system oppresses all, except those at the very high rungs of it. so, every 'normal' person out there is oppressed to a degree. the less advantages you have the more likely you are to never reach your full potential. women are still lower down than men on the system. at this time. as for capitalism, most of the world is in huge debt to a communist country. says it all really. "China's economy is as communist as North Korea is democratic. | |||
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"Thanks for your responses, as ever, i do find them interesting. Ultimately no amount of debate would lead to one of agreeing but the points of disagreement are like the fundamental issues of capitalism vrs communism. In one of them, competition drives people to be better versions of themselves and the other believes people have innate gifts that they are inclined to use without the need for material incentives. Personally i feel the fall of the Soviet union and China's economic progress after communist economic policies were abandoned prove which system works better beyond reasonable doubt. But the people who don't agree with that never will. the heirarchy system oppresses all, except those at the very high rungs of it. so, every 'normal' person out there is oppressed to a degree. the less advantages you have the more likely you are to never reach your full potential. women are still lower down than men on the system. at this time. as for capitalism, most of the world is in huge debt to a communist country. says it all really.
China's economy is as communist as North Korea is democratic. "it's a communist country with capitalism incorporated into that. it's also the worlds biggest polluter so i know it's not all good. | |||
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"I'm repressed by life just like every living creature on earth is, just learn to live with it" I rather enjoy my repression. As aldous huxley suggested might happen. | |||
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"Thanks for your responses, as ever, i do find them interesting. Ultimately no amount of debate would lead to one of agreeing but the points of disagreement are like the fundamental issues of capitalism vrs communism. In one of them, competition drives people to be better versions of themselves and the other believes people have innate gifts that they are inclined to use without the need for material incentives. Personally i feel the fall of the Soviet union and China's economic progress after communist economic policies were abandoned prove which system works better beyond reasonable doubt. But the people who don't agree with that never will. the heirarchy system oppresses all, except those at the very high rungs of it. so, every 'normal' person out there is oppressed to a degree. the less advantages you have the more likely you are to never reach your full potential. women are still lower down than men on the system. at this time. as for capitalism, most of the world is in huge debt to a communist country. says it all really.
China's economy is as communist as North Korea is democratic.
it's a communist country with capitalism incorporated into that.
it's also the worlds biggest polluter so i know it's not all good."This is true but it's moving in the right direction at the same time that america is moving in the wrong direction. The communist party members are pretty fed up of their children developing respiratory diseases since they all live in beijing and aren't about to move to the areas that have better air. | |||
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"I'm repressed by life just like every living creature on earth is, just learn to live with it I rather enjoy my repression. As aldous huxley suggested might happen. " . Somebody once asked Huxley how he could be so visionary about the future, he just said he writes what he sees today that others don't!. Being repressed is part of life, what else pushes you on except the eternal fight for life | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision. ". Religion... The great White hope | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision. .
Religion... The great White hope"does have some good things about religion, like everything else i suppose. but mutilating penises isn't one.  | |||
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be
Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is.
Bless their little ignorances x .
I don't particularly like clumping people together as one group as if there one from something they were born with and without control.
Moi neither but i'm missing your point .
Human nature, those that follow follow and those that lead lead.
99% are governed by 1% while being told the problem is patriarchal"Tbh these days I think gender restrictions are less of an issue than the social/class/inequality of education system that still exists! Believing that one gender is significantly 'better' or has it significantly easier than the other is silly - unless we're talking about fab of course!  | |||
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"Might be worth a watch. Just read about it on the net. Looks interesting. Apparently it attracted a fair amount of criticism and backlash before the release." there were protests against it being showed because some people disagreed with it before even watching it | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision. .
Religion... The great White hope
does have some good things about religion, like everything else i suppose. but mutilating penises isn't one. ". Like I said, we'll do anything to get out of that terminal predicament | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision. .
Religion... The great White hope
does have some good things about religion, like everything else i suppose. but mutilating penises isn't one. .
Like I said, we'll do anything to get out of that terminal predicament"religion? i personally only think it's good for bringing like minded people together, and even that causes problems. | |||
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"Might be worth a watch. Just read about it on the net. Looks interesting. Apparently it attracted a fair amount of criticism and backlash before the release. there were protests against it being showed because some people disagreed with it before even watching it " You really have to question the mentality of people who want to ban social commentary opinions they disagree with. | |||
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be
Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is.
Bless their little ignorances x .
I don't particularly like clumping people together as one group as if there one from something they were born with and without control.
Moi neither but i'm missing your point .
Human nature, those that follow follow and those that lead lead.
99% are governed by 1% while being told the problem is patriarchal
Tbh these days I think gender restrictions are less of an issue than the social/class/inequality of education system that still exists!
Believing that one gender is significantly 'better' or has it significantly easier than the other is silly - unless we're talking about fab of course! ". The problem with anybody that joins any group is that your no longer an individual with your own views, your now a member who agrees with the membership and the membership is run by the 1% who are the "spokesperson". Black lives matter somehow speak for everybody that's black! Its just a nonsense,I mean half the people their complaining about repressing them are black themselves,I watched the branch I think was from Milwaukee, the major was black, the chief of police was black, 12 of the 15 local councilors were black, the mp was black, the governor black, 65% of the police were black and yet somehow it was white people that were to blame!. We just don't deal with blame well in the West which is why the Japanese thrashed us in business because there isn't blame just mistakes that needed to be corrected | |||
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"Hmmm let me guess?. She suddenly found that being a man ain't all it's cracked up to be
Feminists don't argue that men have easy peasy lives... That's done by women who don't know what feminism is.
Bless their little ignorances x .
I don't particularly like clumping people together as one group as if there one from something they were born with and without control.
Moi neither but i'm missing your point .
Human nature, those that follow follow and those that lead lead.
99% are governed by 1% while being told the problem is patriarchal
Tbh these days I think gender restrictions are less of an issue than the social/class/inequality of education system that still exists!
Believing that one gender is significantly 'better' or has it significantly easier than the other is silly - unless we're talking about fab of course! .
The problem with anybody that joins any group is that your no longer an individual with your own views, your now a member who agrees with the membership and the membership is run by the 1% who are the "spokesperson".
Black lives matter somehow speak for everybody that's black! Its just a nonsense,I mean half the people their complaining about repressing them are black themselves,I watched the branch I think was from Milwaukee, the major was black, the chief of police was black, 12 of the 15 local councilors were black, the mp was black, the governor black, 65% of the police were black and yet somehow it was white people that were to blame!.
We just don't deal with blame well in the West which is why the Japanese thrashed us in business because there isn't blame just mistakes that needed to be corrected"Not just the japanese... | |||
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"black lives matter is a movement for black people who are oppressed. no movement speaks for an entire collective of people but is there to highlight issues a collective has because of who it is. so a person of privilege likely doesn't feel the need to participate with that collective but can still recognise that some of the collective are oppressed because of who they are and support their right to become more advantaged. the black lives movement specifically fights for the right to not be killed for being black, and justice for those who have been killed. it speaks out against enforced prejudice within the justice system. it fights for the same rights that others have within that system and without prejudice. " Who exactly is oppressing them? If BLM care about black people dying needlessly then why don't they address black on black violence to the same extent the focus on police violence given the latter is the cause of far fewer deaths? | |||
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"What's the redpill got to do with blm? I swear they haven't done anything for over a year. Last I heard their name they interrupted a lgbt event because nobody was talking about them lol. And the leader Deray had become a corporate sell out "We're discussing loony protest movements so it's pretty on topic | |||
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"black lives matter is a movement for black people who are oppressed. no movement speaks for an entire collective of people but is there to highlight issues a collective has because of who it is. so a person of privilege likely doesn't feel the need to participate with that collective but can still recognise that some of the collective are oppressed because of who they are and support their right to become more advantaged. the black lives movement specifically fights for the right to not be killed for being black, and justice for those who have been killed. it speaks out against enforced prejudice within the justice system. it fights for the same rights that others have within that system and without prejudice. Who exactly is oppressing them? If BLM care about black people dying needlessly then why don't they address black on black violence to the same extent the focus on police violence given the latter is the cause of far fewer deaths? " the justice system. they want the justice system to be held responsible for it's prejudice. and black people in the justice system who perpetuate prejudice will also be held accountable. i'm sure other movements are working against black on black crime. movements tend to work better when they focus on one issues at a time. although sometimes merging movements helps a cause also when they are fighting for the same thing. like when the black womens liberation movement and the white womens liberation merged to promote their causes of all womens liberation. | |||
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"black lives matter is a movement for black people who are oppressed. no movement speaks for an entire collective of people but is there to highlight issues a collective has because of who it is. so a person of privilege likely doesn't feel the need to participate with that collective but can still recognise that some of the collective are oppressed because of who they are and support their right to become more advantaged. the black lives movement specifically fights for the right to not be killed for being black, and justice for those who have been killed. it speaks out against enforced prejudice within the justice system. it fights for the same rights that others have within that system and without prejudice. Who exactly is oppressing them? If BLM care about black people dying needlessly then why don't they address black on black violence to the same extent the focus on police violence given the latter is the cause of far fewer deaths? the justice system. they want the justice system to be held responsible for it's prejudice. and black people in the justice system who perpetuate prejudice will also be held accountable. i'm sure other movements are working against black on black crime. movements tend to work better when they focus on one issues at a time. although sometimes merging movements helps a cause also when they are fighting for the same thing. like when the black womens liberation movement and the white womens liberation merged to promote their causes of all womens liberation." Sorry but you can't just point to a 'system' or 'society' - those are just collections of individual people, we are not run by robots yet. Who are the specific people oppressing black people and what are their motivations for doing so? | |||
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"Sorry but you can't just point to a 'system' or 'society' - those are just collections of individual people, we are not run by robots yet. Who are the specific people oppressing black people and what are their motivations for doing so? " yeah you can point to a system or society. especially if they allow it to happen. the justice system has people in it that are not punished for their prejudice, not punished for murdering unarmed black people who were no threat to them, and it was likely because of racism or at least prejudice. if a system allows that to happen then it is responsible coz who else is accountable? the racist individuals are accountable primarily but the system allowing these people to exist are also responsible. they should punish perpetrators and get banish them from holding any sort of power to be above the law. and yeah not all of the collective might be perpetrators and some might be trying to change the system from within but if the system allows something it is still 100% responsible for that. | |||
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"Sorry but you can't just point to a 'system' or 'society' - those are just collections of individual people, we are not run by robots yet. Who are the specific people oppressing black people and what are their motivations for doing so? yeah you can point to a system or society. especially if they allow it to happen. the justice system has people in it that are not punished for their prejudice, not punished for murdering unarmed black people who were no threat to them, and it was likely because of racism or at least prejudice. if a system allows that to happen then it is responsible coz who else is accountable? the racist individuals are accountable primarily but the system allowing these people to exist are also responsible. they should punish perpetrators and get banish them from holding any sort of power to be above the law. and yeah not all of the collective might be perpetrators and some might be trying to change the system from within but if the system allows something it is still 100% responsible for that." Unless you can point to specific individuals who are enabling the oppression then you fail to prove your case. For example, i assert that banks shouldn't have been bailed out and the following individuals should be tried for corruption, neglect of fiduciary duty or fraud: Fred Goodwin, Bill Clinton, Raymond McDaniel Jr. to name a few and i can explain what they have done. Why can't you or BLM do the same for your case? | |||
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"Sorry but you can't just point to a 'system' or 'society' - those are just collections of individual people, we are not run by robots yet. Who are the specific people oppressing black people and what are their motivations for doing so? yeah you can point to a system or society. especially if they allow it to happen. the justice system has people in it that are not punished for their prejudice, not punished for murdering unarmed black people who were no threat to them, and it was likely because of racism or at least prejudice. if a system allows that to happen then it is responsible coz who else is accountable? the racist individuals are accountable primarily but the system allowing these people to exist are also responsible. they should punish perpetrators and get banish them from holding any sort of power to be above the law. and yeah not all of the collective might be perpetrators and some might be trying to change the system from within but if the system allows something it is still 100% responsible for that. Unless you can point to specific individuals who are enabling the oppression then you fail to prove your case. For example, i assert that banks shouldn't have been bailed out and the following individuals should be tried for corruption, neglect of fiduciary duty or fraud: Fred Goodwin, Bill Clinton, Raymond McDaniel Jr. to name a few and i can explain what they have done. Why can't you or BLM do the same for your case? " coz it means i have to go google names, that's why...i read about this stuff all the time, i don't remember every single person. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=police+who+killed+unarmed+black+people+2017+and+not+prosecuted&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=_q1iWem9M6X38Aeu-rbwAg BLM definitely can name names, i see them doing it all the time. the police who kill unarmed people and do not get prosecuted. i know some do get prosecuted, bit late then but at least it happens and they've been held accountable. not sure how far the movement is going back nor how long people can be held accountable under law, i know it's different in the US. but, imo, everyone alive involved in committing oppressive acts, and those who had the power to stop them but did not, should be held accountable. not just murderers (like the examples i googled) but those who commit all wrong doings within the justice system. but we know realistically only what the law supports and what can be proved under law is what can be achieved. if it ever does. nobody gives a fuck about change until their own safety is threatened. also got to admit i'm not sure what they can do before they kill someone. like is there some kind of warning that someone is racist before they act upon their prejudice? there probably is not. i'm not black but i do believe they are prejudiced against at times, i do believe racism exists in certain systems and is ignored. i know it's more complicated than it seems but still it needs to be stopped. i support their movement both as a privileged person and an oppressed one. | |||
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"You really think people are not influenced by anything other than themselves? That every schema is created purely on that person themselves and nothing/nobody else influenced them? Everything influences everything. As a communal species that has not been allowed to develop naturally for quite some time i believe many of the psychological theories that explain how and why people act the way they do. You'd be surprised what encourages poor behaviour and poor logic. Some people maybe don't help themselves but it's not as simple as they alone fucked themselves up at all. " . Influence is massive but you still don't have to throw your mattress in your front lawn just because your neighbours have!. Same way a child that's watched a Chucky film doesn't wanna throw a two year old on a train track... Theres personal fault and societal fault and most people fuck up through personal fault, there just glitchy | |||
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"You really think people are not influenced by anything other than themselves? That every schema is created purely on that person themselves and nothing/nobody else influenced them? Everything influences everything. As a communal species that has not been allowed to develop naturally for quite some time i believe many of the psychological theories that explain how and why people act the way they do. You'd be surprised what encourages poor behaviour and poor logic. Some people maybe don't help themselves but it's not as simple as they alone fucked themselves up at all. . Influence is massive but you still don't have to throw your mattress in your front lawn just because your neighbours have!. Same way a child that's watched a Chucky film doesn't wanna throw a two year old on a train track... Theres personal fault and societal fault and most people fuck up through personal fault, there just glitchy" i don't hold society responsible for everything. but i also know it can influence. i'm old, and taking this back to feminism, i can remember times when women had even less rights than they have now. being an unwed mother was seen as shameful, there actually was a time when they threw women into mental institutions as unwed sex was seen as some kind of mental problem that women had. now only the people who got pregnant are to blame for that sure, but to say she is shameful for it and make her hide that is societies blame. society takes individuals and pressurises them. it still happens. it also holds stupid beliefs and enforces them, let's take this back to feminism and mention elliot rodgers, who planned a killing spree based on his misguided (but still acceptable with many and often complained about on here) view that if he wanted a woman she should at least acknowledge him. -and that happened only a few years ago. | |||
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"We never do this with any other species except humans, we never say the reason cats chase and kill birds despite not being hungry is because of capitalism, dogs chewing the face of kids is not because of religion, fox's killing an entire chicken coup is not because their evil at birth!. Were still stuck in this god's perfect creation myth, hows it possible that some humans are just cunts when we were created perfect?. We weren't and never have been, we created a system that used basic evolutionary traits to push us along the path of advancement, those same traits also push us towards extinction through advancement not because advancement made us want do it, we always had that in us, it just made it easier and more possible" i do think cats can be cruel if they are neglected, and many are to the degree that they are officially not even classed as pets but as stray animals under law. it's natural for animals in the wild to kill for food, but (looked after) pets should learn they don't need to kill anything as their needs are being looked after. and bored pets, just like bored humans, might well find themselves enjoying unsavoury acts as their imagination needs to be used but is not being stimulated. depends on the environment really, if all a neglected pet has is outdoors, where birds are, then birds are going to be interesting to it. same for humans, ones with nothing to stimulate them will find their own stimulation, sometimes crap stuff sometimes good, depends on their environment. dogs biting kids have not been trained appropriately either. a lot of what we call problems can be solved by better cognitive functioning and correct stimulation. we even have a really good idea how to but it is not being implicated as it costs money and we don't have a magic money tree. and i think some people exist and are cunts coz society is shit tbh. society promotes shit. but some are maybe born that way, it's thought sociopaths are but nobody has done a study from birth yet so we can't know for sure. just physically their brains are different (but we also know parts of it can grow or shrink based on usage so can't tell yet, just that difference is there). | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision. "Did you watch all of it? | |||
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"Yes an interesting documentary, you can find it on most torrent sites, use a VPN though." Being in a mixed race relationship, do you find eastern culture less conflicted between men and women? | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision.
Did you watch all of it? "yeah it was gross. i don't have a penis but still had 3 sons and the thought of someone doing that to them, even for medical reasons if i'd had to have, makes me feel a bit sick. i watched the documentary twice, to absorb more stuff as well. | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision.
Did you watch all of it?
yeah it was gross. i don't have a penis but still had 3 sons and the thought of someone doing that to them, even for medical reasons if i'd had to have, makes me feel a bit sick.
i watched the documentary twice, to absorb more stuff as well."Was it worth £3.75? | |||
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"aw, just seen the bit about the baby boy who lost most of his penis coz of a botched circumcision.
Did you watch all of it?
yeah it was gross. i don't have a penis but still had 3 sons and the thought of someone doing that to them, even for medical reasons if i'd had to have, makes me feel a bit sick.
i watched the documentary twice, to absorb more stuff as well.
Was it worth £3.75? "i didn't pay to watch it. i found a free online version. tbh, if you was really into feminism and mens rights you could do a lot more research just by googling sources. most of the people in that video i knew of already from other internet forums that do discuss feminism and in an intelligent way. | |||
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