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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Over here(in the UK) the right of way when you are driving is only 'right' when it is SAFE AND LEGAL.

Example 1: when an old and infirm person is taking for ever to cross the road at the traffic lights a driver STILL does not have the RIGHT OF WAY to mow him or her down after the lights turn green.

Example 2: if a broken down car/truck/lorry is blocking your lane of traffic, you still do not have the RIGHT OF WAY to plough into that broken down vehicle even if the light is blinking GREEN FOR 10 MINUTES.

Example 3: at the intersection, if the car from either left or right crossing infront of me for whatsoever reason is caught in the box, and is unable to complete the crossing (clear the box), and my light turns GREEN, I still do not have the right to plough into said car simply because my light is GREEN. The reason being, it is NOT BOTH SAFE AND LEGAL for me to enforce my ''right of way''.

Is my understanding of the law correct?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Yeah.

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side.

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So, if I try to enforce my right of way, regardless of the road conditions prevailing at the time (as mentioned in the op) and as a result of a resultant crash/ contact, suffer any injury/ harm/death/loss, do I have any right to recompense from said "obstacle"?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Yes you are correct. You cannot run people over on purpose or crash into people on purpose

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Yes you are correct. You cannot run people over on purpose or crash into people on purpose "

I see what u mean but "on purpose" is a difficult construct to prove. We'll come to that soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, if I try to enforce my right of way, regardless of the road conditions prevailing at the time (as mentioned in the op) and as a result of a resultant crash/ contact, suffer any injury/ harm/death/loss, do I have any right to recompense from said "obstacle"?"

Morally? No. Logically? No. With a decent solicitor fighting g your case. Most definitely

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side."

I daresay, there is not a truthful driver on earth if all claim they have never been caught with a tyre nor silhouette of their vehicles firmly planted in such boxes either by poor judgement or circumstances beyond their control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't get the highway code mixed up with expectations of standards of driving under the road traffic act.

They go hand in hand, but blatantly doing something just because you had the right of way may be deemed careless or dangerous.

Never understood people who see someone pull out late in front of them at a junction, then speed up to prove a point that it wasn't the best decision. Just ease back and relax!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"So, if I try to enforce my right of way, regardless of the road conditions prevailing at the time (as mentioned in the op) and as a result of a resultant crash/ contact, suffer any injury/ harm/death/loss, do I have any right to recompense from said "obstacle"?"

I would say no. I'm pretty sure in the highway code pedestrians have right of way when crossing the road therefore your right of way is suspended fir that period of time. Similarly with obstructions in the road, the right of way if for the incoming traffic with no obstruction in their path. That I why we have to give way. If you are passing said obstruction and are in the other carriageway then it is for oncoming vehicles to stop and give way to you

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Some pretty thoughtful responses so far but before we proceed any further, may I just say that this is all hypothetical and I have no intentions of " enforcing my right of way". Just a learning exercise.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Something must have happened to provoke this hypothetical question though. It's not your standard fab Saturday morning thread lol

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Something must have happened to provoke this hypothetical question though. It's not your standard fab Saturday morning thread lol"

We will get to that soon enough. Let's just establish the left and right of arc of this intellectual masturbation first. I like your thinking. We may be eating lunch together soon.

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side.

I daresay, there is not a truthful driver on earth if all claim they have never been caught with a tyre nor silhouette of their vehicles firmly planted in such boxes either by poor judgement or circumstances beyond their control."

NO excuse...bad judgement=drivers fault

Apart from vehicle breaking down,any other circumstances=drivers fault.

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side.

I daresay, there is not a truthful driver on earth if all claim they have never been caught with a tyre nor silhouette of their vehicles firmly planted in such boxes either by poor judgement or circumstances beyond their control.

NO excuse...bad judgement=drivers fault

Apart from vehicle breaking down,any other circumstances=drivers fault.

"

Another driver's fault, a learner driver stalling infront of you are just 2 quick examples that come to mind. Calm down please.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

To be fair being too quick is not an excuse. Yellow boxes are general at busy traffic light junctions and you shouldny be going fast at those. Too quick means you are sneaking through on an amber before it goes red

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By *hips n FursMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side.

I daresay, there is not a truthful driver on earth if all claim they have never been caught with a tyre nor silhouette of their vehicles firmly planted in such boxes either by poor judgement or circumstances beyond their control.

NO excuse...bad judgement=drivers fault

Apart from vehicle breaking down,any other circumstances=drivers fault.

Another driver's fault, a learner driver stalling infront of you are just 2 quick examples that come to mind. Calm down please. "

I am very calm,I'm just answering posts.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Another example of where right of way is not absolute....emergency vehicles. If they have to travel on the opposite carriageway you don't simply carry on do you? You pull aside to let them through

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Another example of where right of way is not absolute....emergency vehicles. If they have to travel on the opposite carriageway you don't simply carry on do you? You pull aside to let them through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, if I try to enforce my right of way, regardless of the road conditions prevailing at the time (as mentioned in the op) and as a result of a resultant crash/ contact, suffer any injury/ harm/death/loss, do I have any right to recompense from said "obstacle"?"

No.

Has some moron overtaken you while you were broken down, crashed and then tried to blame you for their idiocracy?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I have read MOST answers.

Mine is this.......

All road users are responsible for driving safely ( due care and attention )

e.g. I did not see the lorry... is never an excuse for hitting it. Your speed should very according to your view... if you can't see a lorry you are a blind twat. ( not you dear - they hypothetical person )

e.g. The old lady was walking soooooooooo slow ..... is not an excuse.

YOU the driver have to take account of conditions / events on the road.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I have a 'friend' who rants about teens and twenties wearing earphones and crossing like titheads.

He doesn't like being reminded that if he SEES a teenortwenty wearing phones that HE needs to drive with full awareness that there could be an 'event' when passing them.

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!


"So, if I try to enforce my right of way, regardless of the road conditions prevailing at the time (as mentioned in the op) and as a result of a resultant crash/ contact, suffer any injury/ harm/death/loss, do I have any right to recompense from said "obstacle"?"

YES! If the obstacle is controlled by a wealthy person who will do "anything" to make this go away with the minimum fuss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, if I try to enforce my right of way, regardless of the road conditions prevailing at the time (as mentioned in the op) and as a result of a resultant crash/ contact, suffer any injury/ harm/death/loss, do I have any right to recompense from said "obstacle"?

I would say no. I'm pretty sure in the highway code pedestrians have right of way when crossing the road therefore your right of way is suspended fir that period of time. Similarly with obstructions in the road, the right of way if for the incoming traffic with no obstruction in their path. That I why we have to give way. If you are passing said obstruction and are in the other carriageway then it is for oncoming vehicles to stop and give way to you "

You are right pedestrians to alot more right on way than .pat drivers realise. E.g if the pedestrian is already crossing any road before you start to turn into that road they have right of way and you must slow and let them finishing crossing

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By *corpio67Man
over a year ago

hillingdon

Obviously never watched

Death race 2000

With David Carradine

!!!!

The hospital entrance clip is brill!!

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side."

Box junctions usually have a sign stating so.

Highway code Rule 174

Box junctions. 

These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road. You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another example of where right of way is not absolute....emergency vehicles. If they have to travel on the opposite carriageway you don't simply carry on do you? You pull aside to let them through

"

Techincally most emergency vehicles break the law... they are not supposed to run reds, travel on the opposite carriageway, speed etc. but its commonsense to let them do so for 'the greater good'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When a light turns green, people think they have the God to zoom off peeping at people who went through an amber or red light. Green just means, "Proceed if safe to do so the way is clear".

As you approach a roundabout, you may have been a certain distance away where someone to your left had already entered. Each entrance to a roundabout have giveway lines, people tend to be ignorant and speed up to fly into the roundabout to screech their horn to the driver from the left already negotiating the roundabout.

If a pedestrian has already started to cross a junction and you approach it, you must giveway. As you're there, other pedestrians shouldn't start to cross.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull


"Another example of where right of way is not absolute....emergency vehicles. If they have to travel on the opposite carriageway you don't simply carry on do you? You pull aside to let them through

Techincally most emergency vehicles break the law... they are not supposed to run reds, travel on the opposite carriageway, speed etc. but its commonsense to let them do so for 'the greater good' "

Technically, In an emergency situation, drivers of emergency vehicles are granted certain exemptions to the law while using their sirens and blue lights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another example of where right of way is not absolute....emergency vehicles. If they have to travel on the opposite carriageway you don't simply carry on do you? You pull aside to let them through

Techincally most emergency vehicles break the law... they are not supposed to run reds, travel on the opposite carriageway, speed etc. but its commonsense to let them do so for 'the greater good'

Technically, In an emergency situation, drivers of emergency vehicles are granted certain exemptions to the law while using their sirens and blue lights."

They arent exempt even with the sirens going, they are just never prosecuted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When a light turns green, people think they have the God to zoom off peeping at people who went through an amber or red light. Green just means, "Proceed if safe to do so the way is clear".

As you approach a roundabout, you may have been a certain distance away where someone to your left had already entered. Each entrance to a roundabout have giveway lines, people tend to be ignorant and speed up to fly into the roundabout to screech their horn to the driver from the left already negotiating the roundabout.

If a pedestrian has already started to cross a junction and you approach it, you must giveway. As you're there, other pedestrians shouldn't start to cross."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side."

Depends how big he is, and if i can put my glasses on and are my doors locked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over here(in the UK) the right of way when you are driving is only 'right' when it is SAFE AND LEGAL.

Example 1: when an old and infirm person is taking for ever to cross the road at the traffic lights a driver STILL does not have the RIGHT OF WAY to mow him or her down after the lights turn green.

Example 2: if a broken down car/truck/lorry is blocking your lane of traffic, you still do not have the RIGHT OF WAY to plough into that broken down vehicle even if the light is blinking GREEN FOR 10 MINUTES.

Example 3: at the intersection, if the car from either left or right crossing infront of me for whatsoever reason is caught in the box, and is unable to complete the crossing (clear the box), and my light turns GREEN, I still do not have the right to plough into said car simply because my light is GREEN. The reason being, it is NOT BOTH SAFE AND LEGAL for me to enforce my ''right of way''.

Is my understanding of the law correct?

"

When going down a slip road to join a motorway/dual carriageway you don't have right of way! I nearly took the side off an idiot.. Who when got onto the motorway flashed his lights in disgust.. At moi.! Fuckin plank!

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side.

I daresay, there is not a truthful driver on earth if all claim they have never been caught with a tyre nor silhouette of their vehicles firmly planted in such boxes either by poor judgement or circumstances beyond their control.

NO excuse...bad judgement=drivers fault

Apart from vehicle breaking down,any other circumstances=drivers fault.

Another driver's fault, a learner driver stalling infront of you are just 2 quick examples that come to mind. Calm down please. "

If a driver stalls in front of you and you hit them it's your fault...driving too close and not paying attention.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

When I learned to ride a motorbike, I was told one thing that hopefully helps me be a better driver... always drive like EVERYONE else around you is a complete prick, and may do any amount of things wrong at any time.

Thing is, the only control I have is over my own actions, I cant control what others are doing, or may do, so I don't try to "second guess" them, I just give them enough time, and room, to do what they are doing.

Whilst there are rules about who's right of way it is at any given time, you cant always be sure that every other nugget on the road either remembers that, or gives a fuck, so again, I give them the time and space to do what they got to do.

If I'm in a situation where someone decides that, even though its my right of way, they want to bully me out of the road, well, they can try, but I'll stand my ground, and there will only be one winner lol.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"When I learned to ride a motorbike, I was told one thing that hopefully helps me be a better driver... always drive like EVERYONE else around you is a complete prick, and may do any amount of things wrong at any time.

Thing is, the only control I have is over my own actions, I cant control what others are doing, or may do, so I don't try to "second guess" them, I just give them enough time, and room, to do what they are doing.

Whilst there are rules about who's right of way it is at any given time, you cant always be sure that every other nugget on the road either remembers that, or gives a fuck, so again, I give them the time and space to do what they got to do.

If I'm in a situation where someone decides that, even though its my right of way, they want to bully me out of the road, well, they can try, but I'll stand my ground, and there will only be one winner lol."

I agree with every word you say except for the last paragraph... I ALWAYS allow others the licence to kill themselves and others but not me. Fighting them would just deny me the pleasure of smiling at them at the lights 20 yds down the road.

Fkn bobbers n weavers

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull


"When I learned to ride a motorbike, I was told one thing that hopefully helps me be a better driver... always drive like EVERYONE else around you is a complete prick, and may do any amount of things wrong at any time.

Thing is, the only control I have is over my own actions, I cant control what others are doing, or may do, so I don't try to "second guess" them, I just give them enough time, and room, to do what they are doing.

Whilst there are rules about who's right of way it is at any given time, you cant always be sure that every other nugget on the road either remembers that, or gives a fuck, so again, I give them the time and space to do what they got to do.

If I'm in a situation where someone decides that, even though its my right of way, they want to bully me out of the road, well, they can try, but I'll stand my ground, and there will only be one winner lol.

I agree with every word you say except for the last paragraph... I ALWAYS allow others the licence to kill themselves and others but not me. Fighting them would just deny me the pleasure of smiling at them at the lights 20 yds down the road.

Fkn bobbers n weavers

"

Completely agree!

Standing your ground in a car is fair enough but while on a bike I wouldn't wish to play chicken with Mr high powered executive in his company BMW who busy on his phone while running late for his business lunch (maccies drive thru)

Most car drivers aren't aware of the space a bike needs on the road or which part of the road they will be using, road position is different.

Would it really be a bad idea for people to pass their CBT before getting behind the wheel of a car?

Would cause a lot less accidents and maybe get some cars off the road resulting in less congestion and environmental pollution.

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Do you tell them,it's not their right to enter the box unless they can get to the other side.

I daresay, there is not a truthful driver on earth if all claim they have never been caught with a tyre nor silhouette of their vehicles firmly planted in such boxes either by poor judgement or circumstances beyond their control.

NO excuse...bad judgement=drivers fault

Apart from vehicle breaking down,any other circumstances=drivers fault.

Another driver's fault, a learner driver stalling infront of you are just 2 quick examples that come to mind. Calm down please.

If a driver stalls in front of you and you hit them it's your fault...driving too close and not paying attention."

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.


"Another example of where right of way is not absolute....emergency vehicles. If they have to travel on the opposite carriageway you don't simply carry on do you? You pull aside to let them through

Techincally most emergency vehicles break the law... they are not supposed to run reds, travel on the opposite carriageway, speed etc. but its commonsense to let them do so for 'the greater good'

Technically, In an emergency situation, drivers of emergency vehicles are granted certain exemptions to the law while using their sirens and blue lights.

They arent exempt even with the sirens going, they are just never prosecuted"

It has nothing to do with blue lights and sirens. Emergancy vehicles are exempt from many normal rules of the road.

However they have to be able to justify their actions and drive to a safe standard.

As to not being prosecuted, ask the ambulance driver who is currently in court over a death by dangerous driving charge...

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By *lacksausage OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"When I learned to ride a motorbike, I was told one thing that hopefully helps me be a better driver... always drive like EVERYONE else around you is a complete prick, and may do any amount of things wrong at any time.

Thing is, the only control I have is over my own actions, I cant control what others are doing, or may do, so I don't try to "second guess" them, I just give them enough time, and room, to do what they are doing.

Whilst there are rules about who's right of way it is at any given time, you cant always be sure that every other nugget on the road either remembers that, or gives a fuck, so again, I give them the time and space to do what they got to do.

If I'm in a situation where someone decides that, even though its my right of way, they want to bully me out of the road, well, they can try, but I'll stand my ground, and there will only be one winner lol."

I'll add what a good old man once told me, " trust no fucker on the road, especially at roundabouts"

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