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By *uckscouple2007 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes without a doubt bring it back!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?"

nope... because if you end up killing 1 innocent person, that is 1 person too many...

what would you say to that family..... oops???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With dna being so accurate ..yes i would.

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By *heplaysCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

Most definately and would over my services for free as there is some sick puppies in this country!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends on what crimes the death penalty would be applicable to..I guess.

Its a complex issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?

nope... because if you end up killing 1 innocent person, that is 1 person too many...

what would you say to that family..... oops??? "

A far greater number of people have been killed by those released after previously killing, than those suspected of being executed wrongly. DNA etc. evidence is such that the risk of a mistake would be minimal.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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Yes I would

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By *uckscouple2007 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

the bbc news story ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14400246

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By *ittlemorespiceCouple
over a year ago

North Cornwall

No I wouldnt.

Mistress x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?

nope... because if you end up killing 1 innocent person, that is 1 person too many...

what would you say to that family..... oops??? "

Isn;t that why death row in the states takes ages to get to the act?

so that its beyond doubt.. but even over there innocent people are killed, prior to spending a decade or more in a high security prison.

Would everyone be so for sharia law (excuse spelling) if enough people asked for it.

Just because a majority or minority requests certain things, doesn't necessarily mean it should be brought in.. looks kinda like mass mob mentality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?"
nope let them rot in jail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?nope let them rot in jail"

I was thinking about the expense!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ye I would in theory, but in reality what happans if say just one person gets sentenced to death who is innocent. It would have to be absolutley full proof veidence for it to be used, and it would cost soooooooooooooooooooooo much money that it will never happen, and although there are some scumbags id like to get the death sentance, i think they should just make prison tougher instead, cause surley then that would be even worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bet it would make people think more than twice about committing crimes if the scale and degree of punishment/sentencing went up to a 'we are no longer taking shit' policy

if you kill someone you too will die..

if you commit a robbery you loose a limb..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?

nope... because if you end up killing 1 innocent person, that is 1 person too many...

what would you say to that family..... oops???

A far greater number of people have been killed by those released after previously killing, than those suspected of being executed wrongly. DNA etc. evidence is such that the risk of a mistake would be minimal."

okay.. if we had the death penalty what would have happened in case like for example... the guildford four or the birmingham six

what would have happened in cases such as stefan kiszko who was wrongfully accused of killing a child....

or the bridgewater 4......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its a tough one because in my eyes some crimes are defo punishable by death.

but like others have said what if someone wrongly convicted was given the penalty.

tough call

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to say no.

I know in my mind that I would rather die than spend life in prison, so personally I feel that killing a criminal would be an easy way out.

On the other hand, parading them round like cattle and being able to each give a good punch in the face would be a nice idea, especially for rapists and peadophilles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there are a few like your Ian Huntley's who have no get out off jail card . The type that will never walk the streets again . why keep them . why feed them when people are dying in other country's because they have no food why should he get food why? some are just scum and yes if they want the scum dead then that's fine with me.

Yes sometimes they get it wrong but trust me as i know from personal experience that sometimes they let the guilty walk free then wheres the justice . did we have our wrong put right with the justice system no we did not. The system these days has moved to protect the defendant more and more .

jay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't, there have been many miscarriages of justice in this country, Birmingham 6, Guilford 4, Stefan Kyshko all framed by the police and convicted of murder.

I'd rather life meant life as we seen too many realeased after 15/25 years of a life sentence.

My granfather was actually on a jury which convicted a man of a double murder in the late 50's, he was sentenced to death, my granfather felt terrible for it. A man doesn't have the right to take a life, what makes it ok for the goverment to do so?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

No..impossible as a society to justify a return to exterminating people in cold blood, as revenge, or through odious economic considerations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yse and that's just a personal _iew point btw

But i would like to see a great deal of fail-safes in place if it ever was bought back I cannot understand the mentality of a society that keeps the without a doubt killers such as the Oslo monster alive at a cost to decent society

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yse and that's just a personal _iew point btw

But i would like to see a great deal of fail-safes in place if it ever was bought back I cannot understand the mentality of a society that keeps the without a doubt killers such as the Oslo monster alive at a cost to decent society "

The Oslo thing,i dont get that he even still is alive actually, police marksmen im sure are allowed to shoot if the person is armed and seems a threat to others,maybe there are other rules? Maybe just as well im not a police marksman then, cause he would have no court case to go to.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

I might be reading you wrong, but do you mean we should exterminate people because they are a financial burden on society ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So instead of the life sentence a shoot to kill policy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I might be reading you wrong, but do you mean we should exterminate people because they are a financial burden on society ?"

In those case yes I do think that but only relating to without a doubt killers such as the one mentioned above

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

DNA evidence, the amount of material needed is so slight, that easy enough to plant it.

Heaven forbid a victim sat on a bus, and you are shedding hair, which gets on their clothes and is the only DNA evidence at a crime scene...then imagine your mobile shows you in the area and have no alibi.

Or worse someone works to plant DNA evidence.

Also if the penalty is death, then a real risk those about to get caught will think nothing of taking a few others with them...

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By *dav123Man
over a year ago

coventry

Frankly no!

There is no useful purpose to be served by the debate. HMG is a signatory to the European Declaration of Human Rights. By EU Law Capital Punishment is banned on the grounds of cruel and unusual punishment.

Therefore it would appear that our Political Masters are simply manipulating us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be more in favour of a penal colony available to separate serious criminals from society. Give them basic supplies once in a while and let them get on with it.

I would prefer tougher prison sentences in a regime that means total withdrawal from society. I feel there is too much outside contact for offenders once they are inside so I would make prison a real place of isolation and reflection with stricter terms - sod all this parole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

really a grey area- suppose itd be different if i witnessed the actual murderer, but watching what might be a travesty of justice with the (recent)amanda knox story might make people think twice over the death penalty.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I might be reading you wrong, but do you mean we should exterminate people because they are a financial burden on society ?

In those case yes I do think that but only relating to without a doubt killers such as the one mentioned above"

And where do you draw that line, at what point would it be a good economic decision to exterminate..that is a very slippery slope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to say no.

I know in my mind that I would rather die than spend life in prison, so personally I feel that killing a criminal would be an easy way out.

On the other hand, parading them round like cattle and being able to each give a good punch in the face would be a nice idea, especially for rapists and peadophilles "

You would dole out punches yourself? Then you have a violent nature which has no place in society either.

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

I used to be all for the death penalty, now im not 100% sure. I do think offenders get to light a sentences and are better treated than the victum(dont like using that term). They should be harsher sentences and less priveledges giving to these people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As Justice and the decision of courts do not themselves guarantee to be 100% infallible, they can only ever reach a decision of “ beyond all reasonable doubt”

So in the event a person is found guilty “ beyond all reasonable doubt” and is subsequently executed only to find out later the person was indeed innocent of the crime for which their life was forfeited,,,, ,

Should the collective members of the society who voted for the reintroduction of the death penalty then be charged and sentenced for the unlawful killing of an innocent person….

Not withstanding the decisions made by the Judge and Jury where made acting in good faith on behalf of a so called civilised and just society which advocated Killing people as a "just" punishment.

However,,,, before ya kick me....

I do feel there are crimes where the death penalty does seems the only relevant punishment ...... but because we live in a so called civilised society the means of carrying the sentence would be restricted to execution by humane method, this serves only to reduce the effectiveness of the punishment as adequate justice for the sort of crimes where it would seem appropriate to us it.

Sox remains undecided

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?"

Answer is simple...Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The saying "let them rot in jail" may have been right 100 yrs ago but not now.

They get all they want and more.

Drugs , booze, sex, be it each other. sky tv , hobbies, wages, 3 meals a day and heat and light at NO COST to themselves. Only us the tax payer.

And they can now sue the government if there egg aint dippy etc. The penal system is one big joke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

Do I think some people should swing on the end of a rope for their crimes? Without a doubt. Would I trust the judicial system to make such a decision? Never in a million years!

We have a legal system that allows hijackers to a life of Reilly but jails a teenager for "frightening" the Prince of Wles in his armour plated car!

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

I would never sign a petition to bring it back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The one reason a referendum wont ever be held on the question of reinstating the death penalty ..is because they know they would get a big fat YES from the majority of the country

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


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We have a legal system that allows hijackers to a life of Reilly but jails a teenager for "frightening" the Prince of Wles in his armour plated car! "

You really believe that??

He desecrated the Cenetaph, he jumped onto the bonnet of the Protection Squad car and threw a rubbish bin at the Rolls Royce! (But missed) The bin smashed the window of another car... This equals VIOLENT DISORDER which is what he was charged with. Prince Charles had nothing to do with it!

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By *aughtyHubbyMan
over a year ago

Sunderland


"With dna being so accurate ..yes i would."

I wouldn't bring back the death penalty. How many people have their convictions quashed many years after sentancing and who, if the death penalty existed, would have been executed? As Fabio has already stated, one would be too many.

Regarding DNA evidence....That only proves that a person was there or in contact with the scene or the people concerned. For example, you go to a meet, you leave your DNA. The next day that person you met with was found murdered, police trace your DNA from a data bank. That doesnt make you the murderer, although with no one else in the "frame" you could well be convicted of rape and murder if no other motive is found and it appears beyond reasonable doubt that you were the last person to see the victim!! So yes, DNA is a wonderful investigative tool but it is not a fail safe for finding the guilty party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to say no.

I know in my mind that I would rather die than spend life in prison, so personally I feel that killing a criminal would be an easy way out.

On the other hand, parading them round like cattle and being able to each give a good punch in the face would be a nice idea, especially for rapists and peadophilles

You would dole out punches yourself? Then you have a violent nature which has no place in society either."

your telling me you wouldnt wanna punch ian huntly, or the parents of baby p. i know i would, also i think he was obviously being tounge in cheek.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With dna being so accurate ..yes i would.

I wouldn't bring back the death penalty. How many people have their convictions quashed many years after sentancing and who, if the death penalty existed, would have been executed? As Fabio has already stated, one would be too many.

Regarding DNA evidence....That only proves that a person was there or in contact with the scene or the people concerned. For example, you go to a meet, you leave your DNA. The next day that person you met with was found murdered, police trace your DNA from a data bank. That doesnt make you the murderer, although with no one else in the "frame" you could well be convicted of rape and murder if no other motive is found and it appears beyond reasonable doubt that you were the last person to see the victim!! So yes, DNA is a wonderful investigative tool but it is not a fail safe for finding the guilty party."

but DNA evidence is never the sole evidence anyway, they carnt convict sombody on DNA alone, otherwise loads of cases would be cut and dry, they need time scales of were you were that day, motives, caharacter references. so if they had all that, plus other stuff and DNA. then usually they can be 99% certain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I would. reason:- a guy in the street...not worried about where or the time of day/night a fight breaks out for whatever reason. one guy stabs the other...not worried about who the antagonist is... the stabbed guy dies.... self defense?....why? one was carrying a knife and prepared to use it, the other guy did not..manslaughter? why?. you dont carry a knife around to go to the shops, pub, club etc...mandatory death sentance no appeal...simple, yes its old school but how many killings where there when there was a death penalty compared to now. I know its long and there will be folks who disagree..buts thats democracy.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

No.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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We have a legal system that allows hijackers to a life of Reilly but jails a teenager for "frightening" the Prince of Wles in his armour plated car!

You really believe that??

He desecrated the Cenetaph, he jumped onto the bonnet of the Protection Squad car and threw a rubbish bin at the Rolls Royce! (But missed) The bin smashed the window of another car... This equals VIOLENT DISORDER which is what he was charged with. Prince Charles had nothing to do with it! "

I was being simplistic to make a point: and I feel you know that.

The sentencing system in this country is inconsistent. With that in mind I would not be comfortable voting to bring back the death penalty.

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By *aughtyHubbyMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

Regarding Charlie Gilmour...personally I wouldn't have jailed him. The cost to the tax payer for locking him up adds insult to injury.His punishment in kmy _iew would be better served by educating him about the suffering our armed forces have to go through. His time would be better spent in a nursing home or rehabilitation establishment where he could meet and listen to war veterans stories. That way he may feel the remorse and shame for hanging so disrespectfully on the Cenotaph.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

can I ask those who said yes an honest question....

would you also volunteer to tell the families of the ones that you got it wrong to that in fact it was all a mistake...

sorry to be emotive..

basically what i am asking if how far do your convictions lie....

for the sake of openess.. I know the family of Stephen Lawrence... we all know who did it...

do i think they should rot in jail... absolutely

do I think they should be executed... no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With dna being so accurate ..yes i would.

I wouldn't bring back the death penalty. How many people have their convictions quashed many years after sentancing and who, if the death penalty existed, would have been executed? As Fabio has already stated, one would be too many.

Regarding DNA evidence....That only proves that a person was there or in contact with the scene or the people concerned. For example, you go to a meet, you leave your DNA. The next day that person you met with was found murdered, police trace your DNA from a data bank. That doesnt make you the murderer, although with no one else in the "frame" you could well be convicted of rape and murder if no other motive is found and it appears beyond reasonable doubt that you were the last person to see the victim!! So yes, DNA is a wonderful investigative tool but it is not a fail safe for finding the guilty party."

Sadly the "CSI generation" believe DNA is the be all and end all. There's a series on the Crime and Investigation channel about forensics gone wrong.

Rare, admittedly, but not infallible.

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over a year ago

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

A no from me.

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By *aughtyHubbyMan
over a year ago

Sunderland


"With dna being so accurate ..yes i would.

I wouldn't bring back the death penalty. How many people have their convictions quashed many years after sentancing and who, if the death penalty existed, would have been executed? As Fabio has already stated, one would be too many.

Regarding DNA evidence....That only proves that a person was there or in contact with the scene or the people concerned. For example, you go to a meet, you leave your DNA. The next day that person you met with was found murdered, police trace your DNA from a data bank. That doesnt make you the murderer, although with no one else in the "frame" you could well be convicted of rape and murder if no other motive is found and it appears beyond reasonable doubt that you were the last person to see the victim!! So yes, DNA is a wonderful investigative tool but it is not a fail safe for finding the guilty party.

but DNA evidence is never the sole evidence anyway, they carnt convict sombody on DNA alone, otherwise loads of cases would be cut and dry, they need time scales of were you were that day, motives, caharacter references. so if they had all that, plus other stuff and DNA. then usually they can be 99% certain."

Well that's my point, the DNA proves you were there, and nothing else. Character may have a bad past record for whatever reason, hence why the Police would have your DNA on record in the first place, motive in my example could be simply put down to "sex". From what I have seen, DNA turns circumstantial evidence into a solid case and I'm really not too comfortable with that. Again, as many posters have already said, can we trust the judiciary, or even the CPS? One recent case, albeit not DNA related, took a guy to court for writing a story that was so graphic that he was prosecuted under the new "extreme porn" legislation. The CPS offered a bargaining plea. The guy refused, saying he wanted to defend himself in court. The CPS had no real basis for the trial but still continued to force a guilty plea in return for a leaner sentance. Eventually, after approx 12 mths, it went to court. CPS stood up and said they were dropping the case. They knew they'd screwed up but chased the guy right to the end. The relevance to this debate.....I dont trust the CPS to do the right thing, sample as.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we see the lie detectors used on Jezzer that are 99.9 % accurate to condemn those who cheat.. so could they not be used in the criminal justice system on issues that are actually important

use a couple of lie detector machines to see what the outcomes would be.. can a person fake 5 examinations say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You would dole out punches yourself? Then you have a violent nature which has no place in society either.

your telling me you wouldnt wanna punch ian huntly, or the parents of baby p. i know i would, also i think he was obviously being tounge in cheek."

I wouldnt want to punch anyone, quite frankly as Im not a violent person. I am sure The parents of Huntleys victims still live in hope that the coward sees the light and tells them the real truth about what happened to their daughters - thats all that can come out of that tragedy. Closure.

Same as Brady and Hindleys victims parents lived in hope they would find out the truth and where their childrens bodies were buried.

I think the poster was not being tongue in cheek - lets ask rather than go beyond face value of a post and not make assumptions about the tone in which it was posted. I replied in the negative to his suggestion on face value based on his words not anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

99.9% is still not good enough

plus there are lots of reasons on JK where a lie detector can't be used

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally...i hasten to add ...think its a sad fact of life that we give more thought and energy to those who have commited heinous crimes rather to those who have suffered at the hands of them.

They get a good standard of living inside and get protected when they come out.

Who says crime doesnt pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we see the lie detectors used on Jezzer that are 99.9 % accurate to condemn those who cheat.. so could they not be used in the criminal justice system on issues that are actually important

use a couple of lie detector machines to see what the outcomes would be.. can a person fake 5 examinations say?

"

Nice ideas Sass xx They actually have better truth drugs that make prisoners talk which are more telling than lie detector tests. I would quite welcome these interrogation techniques being used on convicted criminals to find out the real truth behind their crimes. But of course thats against their human rights.

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By *--Cinders---Couple
over a year ago

a place near Blackpool

no shudnt bring it back, gives them an easy way out..prisons shud be made a lot tougher for them instead of making it a cosy safe haven for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well im damn sure that if prison was a hell hole instead of the ritz, many of those serving time wouldnt ever wanna go back in ...but we cant do that as prisoners have more blooy rights than we do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You would dole out punches yourself? Then you have a violent nature which has no place in society either.

your telling me you wouldnt wanna punch ian huntly, or the parents of baby p. i know i would, also i think he was obviously being tounge in cheek.

I wouldnt want to punch anyone, quite frankly as Im not a violent person. I am sure The parents of Huntleys victims still live in hope that the coward sees the light and tells them the real truth about what happened to their daughters - thats all that can come out of that tragedy. Closure.

Same as Brady and Hindleys victims parents lived in hope they would find out the truth and where their childrens bodies were buried.

I think the poster was not being tongue in cheek - lets ask rather than go beyond face value of a post and not make assumptions about the tone in which it was posted. I replied in the negative to his suggestion on face value based on his words not anything else.

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I am not violent, but as in I dont go on a night out looking for fights, or i dont punch somebody just beacause they annoyed me. But if I was to meet scumbags like that, I would deffinetly want to punch them, I probably wouldnt, cause whats the point, it's not goin to change anything, but I would deffinetly want to. And if sombody touched one of my sister's, or my mom then I would do more then punch them, but that doesnt make me violent, sumtimes you have to defend yourself, so although I agree violence has no place in society, I would also say if someone has been violent to you, or your family then surely that justifies punching sombody.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For murder if guilt is 100% proven then I believe in the death penalty. I also believe rapists and paedophilles should be fully castrated (cock and balls).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For murder if guilt is 100% proven then I believe in the death penalty. I also believe rapists and paedophilles should be fully castrated (cock and balls). "

and female rapists & paedophilles?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No..impossible as a society to justify a return to exterminating people in cold blood, as revenge, or through odious economic considerations.

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i dont see lethal injection as cold blooded. in most cases of murder or multiple murder they would be getting off lightly in comparison to their victims.

guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt and i`d have no issue with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need a deterant in this country...anyone hear of the state in america where the prison is a living hell. Apparently it's cut crime by loads!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You would dole out punches yourself? Then you have a violent nature which has no place in society either.

your telling me you wouldnt wanna punch ian huntly, or the parents of baby p. i know i would, also i think he was obviously being tounge in cheek.

I wouldnt want to punch anyone, quite frankly as Im not a violent person. I am sure The parents of Huntleys victims still live in hope that the coward sees the light and tells them the real truth about what happened to their daughters - thats all that can come out of that tragedy. Closure.

Same as Brady and Hindleys victims parents lived in hope they would find out the truth and where their childrens bodies were buried.

I think the poster was not being tongue in cheek - lets ask rather than go beyond face value of a post and not make assumptions about the tone in which it was posted. I replied in the negative to his suggestion on face value based on his words not anything else.

I am not violent, but as in I dont go on a night out looking for fights, or i dont punch somebody just beacause they annoyed me. But if I was to meet scumbags like that, I would deffinetly want to punch them, I probably wouldnt, cause whats the point, it's not goin to change anything, but I would deffinetly want to. And if sombody touched one of my sister's, or my mom then I would do more then punch them, but that doesnt make me violent, sumtimes you have to defend yourself, so although I agree violence has no place in society, I would also say if someone has been violent to you, or your family then surely that justifies punching sombody."

Not in my book it doesn't. If someone harms my family the family gathers round and the last thing on anyones mind is revenge. The natural instinct in my family is to comfort and not imitate the behaviour that has crushed us.

Anyone crushed by violence or the murder of a loved one rarely seeks revenge because they are in a state of mumb shock. I am sure they have their anger and frustration in private because of beingdisappointed by 'justice' doled out by the courts. This is where anyone in civilised society should turn to - improvement of law and order not adding to the burden when the person you punch in revenge counter claims in the courts against your actions. I do not want any public funds wasted on thise sort of vigilante mentality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You would dole out punches yourself? Then you have a violent nature which has no place in society either.

your telling me you wouldnt wanna punch ian huntly, or the parents of baby p. i know i would, also i think he was obviously being tounge in cheek.

I wouldnt want to punch anyone, quite frankly as Im not a violent person. I am sure The parents of Huntleys victims still live in hope that the coward sees the light and tells them the real truth about what happened to their daughters - thats all that can come out of that tragedy. Closure.

Same as Brady and Hindleys victims parents lived in hope they would find out the truth and where their childrens bodies were buried.

I think the poster was not being tongue in cheek - lets ask rather than go beyond face value of a post and not make assumptions about the tone in which it was posted. I replied in the negative to his suggestion on face value based on his words not anything else.

I am not violent, but as in I dont go on a night out looking for fights, or i dont punch somebody just beacause they annoyed me. But if I was to meet scumbags like that, I would deffinetly want to punch them, I probably wouldnt, cause whats the point, it's not goin to change anything, but I would deffinetly want to. And if sombody touched one of my sister's, or my mom then I would do more then punch them, but that doesnt make me violent, sumtimes you have to defend yourself, so although I agree violence has no place in society, I would also say if someone has been violent to you, or your family then surely that justifies punching sombody.

Not in my book it doesn't. If someone harms my family the family gathers round and the last thing on anyones mind is revenge. The natural instinct in my family is to comfort and not imitate the behaviour that has crushed us.

Anyone crushed by violence or the murder of a loved one rarely seeks revenge because they are in a state of mumb shock. I am sure they have their anger and frustration in private because of beingdisappointed by 'justice' doled out by the courts. This is where anyone in civilised society should turn to - improvement of law and order not adding to the burden when the person you punch in revenge counter claims in the courts against your actions. I do not want any public funds wasted on thise sort of vigilante mentality."

well it depends were you com from i suppose, beacasue its different rules down here, For e.g my auntie kept geting her fence kicked down, she knew the kids who wer doing it, and asked them to stop, then they did it again and again, new fences bout 4-5, she told the police and nothing happend, she told them again and again, nothing happend, they smashed her window, she told the police, again nothing, then she told me and my cousons, and we went round and had a little word, and guess what? nothing ever happend to her fence windows, or anything ever again. and they are polite 2 her now, and im sure they have learnt a lesson that they wouldnt of learnt, from say an asbo or a fine, or community service, which they would of seen as a badge of honour.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

If prison is a life of luxury, how come many more millions have not opted for it as a lifestyle choice?

If the death penalty was brought back, how many would accept the job of pulling the switch, or what ever. Perhaps the mob will bay for death in crowds like they used to, at executions in the past.

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By *he Boss and The BitchCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Put it this way, if we had the Death penalty, at least the Lockerbie bomber would actually be dead now instead of being paraded around in Libya.....I'm ashamed of the Scottish Government for allowing him to be freed.....the death penalty was too good for that f***er

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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well it depends were you com from i suppose, beacasue its different rules down here, For e.g my auntie kept geting her fence kicked down, she knew the kids who wer doing it, and asked them to stop, then they did it again and again, new fences bout 4-5, she told the police and nothing happend, she told them again and again, nothing happend, they smashed her window, she told the police, again nothing, then she told me and my cousons, and we went round and had a little word, and guess what? nothing ever happend to her fence windows, or anything ever again. and they are polite 2 her now, and im sure they have learnt a lesson that they wouldnt of learnt, from say an asbo or a fine, or community service, which they would of seen as a badge of honour. "

Believe it or not the law of the land applies to Newcastle upon Tyne too. You don't have different rules - thats just your family exercising your choice of how to deal with something outside of the law. My choice is different one to yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really hope so.....my husband fought in Ulster (sorry "kept the peace") when terrorists from both sides were killing hundreds of innocent people. Have friends affected by both 9/11 and the London bombings. Have watched the grief of the parents of Damilola Taylor and Sarah Payne!

Bay for blood? Oh, I do hope so!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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well it depends were you com from i suppose, beacasue its different rules down here, For e.g my auntie kept geting her fence kicked down, she knew the kids who wer doing it, and asked them to stop, then they did it again and again, new fences bout 4-5, she told the police and nothing happend, she told them again and again, nothing happend, they smashed her window, she told the police, again nothing, then she told me and my cousons, and we went round and had a little word, and guess what? nothing ever happend to her fence windows, or anything ever again. and they are polite 2 her now, and

alright calm down, i was jim sure they have learnt a lesson that they wouldnt of learnt, from say an asbo or a fine, or community service, which they would of seen as a badge of honour.

Believe it or not the law of the land applies to Newcastle upon Tyne too. You don't have different rules - thats just your family exercising your choice of how to deal with something outside of the law. My choice is different one to yours."

all right, whats your problem, calm down, I was just giving you an example, whats wrong with that? I just wouldnt wanna see my family get walked over,by some mindless thugs, while the police couldnt do anything beacause there under to much restrante these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as all politicians are made to try it first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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all right, whats your problem, calm down, I was just giving you an example, whats wrong with that? I just wouldnt wanna see my family get walked over,by some mindless thugs, while the police couldnt do anything beacause there under to much restrante these days."

??? Its a forum. Its a debate. People exchange points of _iew. If people don't agree with certain points of _iew it does not indicate they are 'uncalm'.

I think by your words you're the one a little hot under the collar and into vigilante behaviour that requires a lot less calm than taking part in a forum topic. In my humble opinion. Keep asking me questions kleep responding to my posts then expect a response back. Until I feel I've nothing more to say to you - which is at this point.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Am wondering why the sudden interest in bringing back the death penalty?

I've seen a couple of newspapers who are bigging up their campaigns. Am I being cynical thinking it is part of a smoke screen attempt?

Grundian has article saying murder rate at lowest for 12 years, 619, drop from 644 in previous year.

"The Home Office figures published today show that England and Wales are in the middle of the European murder league at 13.5 deaths per million population. Finland tops the table at 23.4, followed by Scotland at 21.4, and Ireland on 20 per million. Northern Ireland now has a murder rate well below Scotland at 15.2. Austria has the lowest murder rate in Europe at 6.1 per million."

So is murder out of control to the extent that extreme measures need to be taken?

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

Whilst I'd advocate the return of the death penalty for say, Police or other Emergency Services personnel, terrorism or related offences, and for child killing, I also consider that miscarraiges of justice have occurred due to questionable expert witness testimony etc and could well do so in future.

So, maybe the alternative is not to dump then in a jail for the rest of their lives, being looked after.

what we need to do in this country is introduce Hard Labour. put them in chain gangs, building new prisons, fixing our roads, renovating old housing to allow people on housing lists the chance to get accommodation etc.

Don't limit hard labour to the really serious cases. All the yobs who make our lives a misery; get them to repair what they have destroyed or damaged. Get them out in the open to sweep streets, clean up graffiti, grit roads and pavements in winter.

Forget about their human rights; they forfeited those when they committed a crime.

Have them out on public _iew, showing that they are paying something back into the community, without relying on the public coffers or taxes to pay for it!

If they are already infirm, or for health reasons, they can't work outdoors, I'm sure there are plenty of tasks that can be worked on inside.

Other countries do this. We have to get rid of our namby-pamby, liberal attitudes, and get back to some real punishments, where the the culprits will have to break into a sweat and do something constructive!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For murder if guilt is 100% proven then I believe in the death penalty. I also believe rapists and paedophilles should be fully castrated (cock and balls).

and female rapists & paedophilles?"

A good point, and one for which I don't have an answer. But most sex crimes are committed by men so would provide a punishment for the majority of offenders

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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all right, whats your problem, calm down, I was just giving you an example, whats wrong with that? I just wouldnt wanna see my family get walked over,by some mindless thugs, while the police couldnt do anything beacause there under to much restrante these days.

??? Its a forum. Its a debate. People exchange points of _iew. If people don't agree with certain points of _iew it does not indicate they are 'uncalm'.

I think by your words you're the one a little hot under the collar and into vigilante behaviour that requires a lot less calm than taking part in a forum topic. In my humble opinion. Keep asking me questions kleep responding to my posts then expect a response back. Until I feel I've nothing more to say to you - which is at this point."

what r u onabout, I was taking your points of _iew, i was agreeing with certain things your wer saying, weather as u wer jut completely disregard everyhting i said. lmao, honestley r u being serius, everything u just said, its like your talking to urself. I was lisening 2 u and agreeing with some of your points of _iew, and then explaining mine using examples ent that how a forum works?. what the fuck are you onabout, i didnt do anything wrong. y you go off like that 4? I do not no, maybe you just thought hes got a point, but didnt wanna admit it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for me

Someone above said DNA is so accurate that it's fool proof when in fact DNA is 99.4% accurate which is enough to convict in court as it proves beyond resonable doubt but to sentence someone to death it would have to be 100% and that is mathamatically impossible due to DNA's complexity.

However I do think Chemical or Physical castration should be allowed for Peado's!!! and in cases such as Baby P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for me.

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By *ustyAngelWoman
over a year ago

gloucester


"

So, maybe the alternative is not to dump then in a jail for the rest of their lives, being looked after.

what we need to do in this country is introduce Hard Labour. put them in chain gangs, building new prisons, fixing our roads, renovating old housing to allow people on housing lists the chance to get accommodation etc.

Don't limit hard labour to the really serious cases. All the yobs who make our lives a misery; get them to repair what they have destroyed or damaged. Get them out in the open to sweep streets, clean up graffiti, grit roads and pavements in winter.

Forget about their human rights; they forfeited those when they committed a crime.

Have them out on public _iew, showing that they are paying something back into the community, without relying on the public coffers or taxes to pay for it!

If they are already infirm, or for health reasons, they can't work outdoors, I'm sure there are plenty of tasks that can be worked on inside.

"

Agreed, TBH I often consider id be better off inside. Thats shouldnt be the case, we have plenty of roads, railways etc that need maitainance, using them to build new prisons is a great idea too... Goverment always says there overcrowded. If they didnt work meal rations would be bland & bare minimun to survive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will just say this it ain't as good inside as the media say it is and talking from a lot of experience of the penal system I would rather sleep under a bridge then be inside prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will just say this it ain't as good inside as the media say it is and talking from a lot of experience of the penal system I would rather sleep under a bridge then be inside prison."

I don't think it's that rosey inside either. My sister is a nurse in a category A prison. She says it's dire and I like the sound of that!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I think the pressures on today's top footballers to succeed at all costs with additional sponsorship/bonuses and fear of relegation with all the monetary losses attached is suffice encouragement to not miss spot kicks. Adding the threat of death to a penalty is to be quite honest ridiculous!!!

How would it be carried out for instance? After a penalty miss would an executioner then enter the pitch and behead the player who missed with an axe?

I find this thread bizarre.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?"

Absolutely not! One innocent man executed is one innocent man executed too many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the media can be blamed for anyones thinking that its easy inside. Its common knowledge that prisoners are allowed visitors - some conjugal rights too, are allowed to marry as if they are still on the outside and can get a hold of contraband. Even if you use these examples without knowing anything else about what goes on in prison and its reward system for good behaviour, its too may perks over and above basic care for a person who is inside as a punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will just say this it ain't as good inside as the media say it is and talking from a lot of experience of the penal system I would rather sleep under a bridge then be inside prison.

I don't think it's that rosey inside either. My sister is a nurse in a category A prison. She says it's dire and I like the sound of that!

"

The animal who killed Milly Dowler has already been attacked and he has a life of that to look forward to. Makes me happy does that, so long as they don't kill him.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I will just say this it ain't as good inside as the media say it is and talking from a lot of experience of the penal system I would rather sleep under a bridge then be inside prison.

I don't think it's that rosey inside either. My sister is a nurse in a category A prison. She says it's dire and I like the sound of that!

The animal who killed Milly Dowler has already been attacked and he has a life of that to look forward to. Makes me happy does that, so long as they don't kill him. "

He is about to sue for damages and get legal aid...

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?"

Absolutely not.

1. Death penalty in _iew is not necessarily the appropriate ultimate punishment - I mean that for me a life long sentence would be worse.

2. I dont believe two wrongs make a right no matter what the crime.

3. I do not like the idea of making another human being a killer through executing somebody.

4. Too many juducial errors have been shown to be made.

The only death penalty I would allow is death by chocolate... sorry, could not resist a flippant comment in what is a very sensitive, emotive subject.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"well would you sign the petition to bring back the death penalty which would force parliament to debate the issue?"

Nope. Waste of time

but i'd be at the front of the queue to pull the lever whatever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will just say this it ain't as good inside as the media say it is and talking from a lot of experience of the penal system I would rather sleep under a bridge then be inside prison.

I don't think it's that rosey inside either. My sister is a nurse in a category A prison. She says it's dire and I like the sound of that!

The animal who killed Milly Dowler has already been attacked and he has a life of that to look forward to. Makes me happy does that, so long as they don't kill him.

He is about to sue for damages and get legal aid..."

I bet he doesn't get anywhere with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No way!"

agreed.

no fucking chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES for some things a life for a life. Not where its a loved one helping other to die if thay are very ill ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

E-petitions urge MPs to debate return of death penaltyComments (1502)

The first "e-petitions" - which allow the public to prompt parliamentary debates if they get enough support - have been published by the government.

The return of the death penalty heads the list of demands, with dozens of separate campaigns calling for it.

However a petition opposing its return was the most popular one six hours after the site launched.

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