FabSwingers.com forum: Transgender and the NHS.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be. "

I don't think it's ethical to do it at all. I don't think gender reassignment is an ethical procedure/process to begin with.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Seems insanely pointless given all the other limitations, having just read an article on it. The womb would be temporary since the body would keep rejecting it, a seperate operation is needed to widen the pelvis, they still won't create eggs so the baby won't even be related to them unless they freeze some sperm and literally get themselves pregnant. That and the fact that the absolute last thing the world is short on is babies that are already born and in dire need of a loving home.

But fuck it, the NHS is already abused left, right and center by people only too happy to take out more than they pay in. It's never going to be financially sustainable in it's current form so why the fuck not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems insanely pointless given all the other limitations, having just read an article on it. The womb would be temporary since the body would keep rejecting it, a seperate operation is needed to widen the pelvis, they still won't create eggs so the baby won't even be related to them unless they freeze some sperm and literally get themselves pregnant. That and the fact that the absolute last thing the world is short on is babies that are already born and in dire need of a loving home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would they not get a loving home?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because it's fucked up shit that shouldn't be done, let alone on the NHS, that's why the fuck not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

I don't think it's ethical to do it at all. I don't think gender reassignment is an ethical procedure/process to begin with.

you know being trans anit a choice right ? wtf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some of the comments in here are nasty as fuck couldn't a trans person and yes person couldn't give a baby a loving home ? my close friend and HIS girl friend will have a baby in a few years and he is gonna make a brill dad better than some of guys on here you wanna mo am about trans people having babies when it's the people who are lbgt adopting straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom!!!!

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over a year ago

Basingstoke

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

why would they not get a loving home? "

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies. "

why should it be up to them to adopte them tho they can have a baby of their own if they like why should us lbgt adopte unwanted babies maybe if people put something at the end of it their wouldnt be so many unwanted babies why can't straight people adopte them oh that's right cause you rather have your own babies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"some of the comments in here are nasty as fuck couldn't a trans person and yes person couldn't give a baby a loving home ? my close friend and HIS girl friend will have a baby in a few years and he is gonna make a brill dad better than some of guys on here you wanna mo am about trans people having babies when it's the people who are lbgt adopting straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom!!!!"

I don't find your comment helpful or nice TBH. I see your argument but straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom. What about accidents? *ape Seriously ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion "

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

Unwanted babies!!! Some babies are given up through giving the child a better life or through no choice. Doesn't mean they aren't loved!! WOW

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find your comment helpful or nice TBH. I see your argument but straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom. What about accidents? *ape Seriously ? "

no-one said *ape most unwanted babies come from drug user

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf? "

I can see what your saying, and I'd say yes and no. It depends. It's a very emotive subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find your comment helpful or nice TBH. I see your argument but straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom. What about accidents? *ape Seriously ? "

and are you joking there people in here saying trans people shouldn't have kids wtf what cause straight people are getting the back last what our lbgt people been getting for years you don't like it ? we had to put up with deal with it as it's true

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

They won't be producing eggs anyway so they are no more biologically related to a baby born this way than an adopted one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find your comment helpful or nice TBH. I see your argument but straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom. What about accidents? *ape Seriously ?

no-one said *ape most unwanted babies come from drug user "

And you get this info stats from??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find your comment helpful or nice TBH. I see your argument but straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom. What about accidents? *ape Seriously ?

no-one said *ape most unwanted babies come from drug user

And you get this info stats from??"

doing 3 years of studying it love so where you get yours from ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

They won't be producing eggs anyway so they are no more biologically related to a baby born this way than an adopted one. "

my mate who is trans is gonna be related to his kids as three people can have a kid know so eggs from two different people and then a sperm from a guy so yes they would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find your comment helpful or nice TBH. I see your argument but straight people's unwanted kids from not using a condom. What about accidents? *ape Seriously ?

no-one said *ape most unwanted babies come from drug user

And you get this info stats from??

doing 3 years of studying it love so where you get yours from ? "

Oh right 'love' studying it, you must be right then. Studying what? Ethics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

omg putting an opinion across you know nothing about clearly don't have any friends who are trans ? right cause if you did you would the shit they get every bloddy day if they wants kids let whats it to do with omg

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

They won't be producing eggs anyway so they are no more biologically related to a baby born this way than an adopted one.

my mate who is trans is gonna be related to his kids as three people can have a kid know so eggs from two different people and then a sperm from a guy so yes they would "

If you are using your own sperm in your 'own' womb then you are literally getting yourself pregnant. I put it in the same bucket as people who want to be careless with their sexual health - do what the fuck you like, just stop asking other tax payers to fund it because i don't believe any more than 5% of people in these categories put as much tax in as they take out

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"omg putting an opinion across you know nothing about clearly don't have any friends who are trans ? right cause if you did you would the shit they get every bloddy day if they wants kids let whats it to do with omg "

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you find actually people going through the gender clinics won't work with people who don't work as my mate who is trans has told me this and she still paying for her transition they just get support all my trans friends have payed for their own transition actually so stop making out they are something they are not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb. "

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking "

Now your just putting people in a box! Not everyone claiming esa etc are as you describe! Don't stigmatise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf?

I can see what your saying, and I'd say yes and no. It depends. It's a very emotive subject "

Indeed it is.

If your body refuses to bear children..... should the NHS pay to enable you to?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking "

They can have a fecking baby they just don't need to squeeze it out a body that isn't made for it. There's no logic to your statement. There's tax money wasted over there so it's ok so waste money here too

People wonder why we have £1.9 trillion of fucking debt and spend £46bn a year on fucking interest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to. "

fairply but most people try ivf first and the first ivf comes out of taxes and it be the same with trans women but people are getting all pissed of simply cayse they was not born a women its not fair and i think if the chance if there for them to carry a child why shouldn't they take it ? i would in a heart beat your telling me you wouldnt we should count our selfs lucky that we was born to the right body cause my trans firends go throught hell every day and it breaks me its like your body is a prison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf?

I can see what your saying, and I'd say yes and no. It depends. It's a very emotive subject

Indeed it is.

If your body refuses to bear children..... should the NHS pay to enable you to? "

It's an ethical question, it's like saying should a cancer patient be giving life saving drugs if they are a smoker or over 60yo. I can't say as every situation is different. Plus it's late and can't explain my point at the best of times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

I don't think it's ethical to do it at all. I don't think gender reassignment is an ethical procedure/process to begin with.

you know being trans anit a choice right ? wtf "

Yes I do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking

People wonder why we have £1.9 trillion of fucking debt and spend £46bn a year on fucking interest. "
i think you find they will have a c section thye wouldnt be able to push a child out? the fact you said that prove you know nothing about being trans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking

People wonder why we have £1.9 trillion of fucking debt and spend £46bn a year on fucking interest. i think you find they will have a c section thye wouldnt be able to push a child out? the fact you said that prove you know nothing about being trans "

No do your research. The procedure was done in america, the patient had a pelvic operation a year before the womb transplant for that very reason. You're not the only person that knows someone trans

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option? "

Since they use their own sperm to be related to the baby then they would be the logical path!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option? "

these days lot of trans couple end up using both eggs lets use my friend he is female to male trans so what he is doing is freezing his eggs and then what they will do is put his eggs and into his gf and then get a sperm doner so the child with be related to him and his bf but yeah it is i always wanted to do it but the tech thats around these days it won't be need he is also donating his eggs to women who can't produce eggs which is pretty dam amazing i think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

Since they use their own sperm to be related to the baby then they would be the logical path! "

I would be a surrogate, I'd just be carrying the baby, which I think is very logical. Unfortunately life's hard at times and being born a wrong gender must be awful and cruel yet to try and change internal organs etc so as they can carry a child is in my eyes wrong, sad yes but there's other ways and means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

Hey I agree with you it is amazing! I'm on your wavelength. Just a different mind set on things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

Since they use their own sperm to be related to the baby then they would be the logical path!

they actually do this already like our eggs etc ovaries yeah i know alot about this as i have alot of friends who are trans maybe thats why i think its a lush idea cause i know my females friends would love this well the ones who want kids one firend doesn't want kids at all lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*"

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking

No do your research. The procedure was done in america, the patient had a pelvic operation a year before the womb transplant for that very reason. You're not the only person that knows someone trans

my friend is post op right she has to put a kinda like dildo up her self everyday cause it actually like a open womb as if she didnt do this it would close up so you are reading bullshit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking

No do your research. The procedure was done in america, the patient had a pelvic operation a year before the womb transplant for that very reason. You're not the only person that knows someone trans

my friend is post op right she has to put a kinda like dildo up her self everyday cause it actually like a open womb as if she didnt do this it would close up so you are reading bullshit "

wound *

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!"

there is a couple who done it already don't now how science comes into but it worked pretty cool i think we have came so far in medical science its just wow meaning only 100 years ago most women died in labour but now and to think what we are gonna be like in another 100 year i even read some where that someone is having a head transplant end of this year if it works i don't know but we will never learn more if we don't take these risks i guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true. "

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know "

i can;t send you it due to your filters but if you type into google 3 people have a baby it will prove its be done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know "

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb.

i rather my taxes go to them having a baby then people claiming esa for things they don't have just so they can sit around playing xbox all day smoking

No do your research. The procedure was done in america, the patient had a pelvic operation a year before the womb transplant for that very reason. You're not the only person that knows someone trans

my friend is post op right she has to put a kinda like dildo up her self everyday cause it actually like a open womb as if she didnt do this it would close up so you are reading bullshit "

Your source for everything is "my mate said"

Google "With womb transplants a reality, transgender women dare to dream of pregnancies" and educate yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't have babies. Get a dog instead. Far less hassle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was some hoo rah about designer babies a while back WHere DNA from 3 people where used to effect the way the child looked and to help eradicate possible birth defects and hereditary conditions so in affect three people can produce a baby ,but ethically is ir right and should the NHS bear the price andif it's a transgender couple is it any more wrong than a straight couple trying to do this ?I say if you pay your taxes and stamp then your entitled to help if you've never put into the system then no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be. "
I think it should only be free for immigrants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

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can gender reassignment ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't have babies. Get a dog instead. Far less hassle.

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a dogs for easter not just for Xmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

can gender reassignment ?"

What the hell has that got to do with it?

What's your point .... come-on make it good if you can ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd not wipe my arse with that excuse for a newspaper - the express and mail just exist to stir hate and support inequalities

I've not seen the medical research nor economics of this but the tyranny of the masses is never a reasonably credible stance alone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

can gender reassignment ?

What the hell has that got to do with it?

What's your point .... come-on make it good if you can ? "
lots of people will argue it's not natural and it's something you should go private for and leave the resources free to treat cancer etc etc (not me)but this could be seen as a procedure to appease someone vanity just like breast enhancement and other countless operations carried out free that fall outside life saving everyday procedures that get pushed back due to lack of funding .but hey we live in a society where if you don't like your body you can have modern medicine change it for you and if you can prove its effecting your mental state the NHS will strive to do so ,is that fair

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over a year ago

"No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

can gender reassignment ?

What the hell has that got to do with it?

What's your point .... come-on make it good if you can ? lots of people will argue it's not natural and it's something you should go private for and leave the resources free to treat cancer etc etc (not me)but this could be seen as a procedure to appease someone vanity just like breast enhancement and other countless operations carried out free that fall outside life saving everyday procedures that get pushed back due to lack of funding .but hey we live in a society where if you don't like your body you can have modern medicine change it for you and if you can prove its effecting your mental state the NHS will strive to do so ,is that fair "

Have you even considered the risk to the unborn child as it develops during pregnancy ....

Have you even considered the health risks to the host parent due to the potential of organ rejection ...

Have you even consider how the hospital cost and recourses required will result in less funding and delaying medical treatments of people who have genuine health problem....

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over a year ago

Oh and for the record if you do want a designer baby , Cosmetic or gender reassignment cool but don't expect the whole world to be fine with it especially those who can't get the help with regular life altering illnesses struggling to cope because the system is not coping

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over a year ago

"Oh and for the record if you do want a designer baby , Cosmetic or gender reassignment cool but don't expect the whole world to be fine with it especially those who can't get the help with regular life altering illnesses struggling to cope because the system is not coping"

Of course people with emotional trauma caused by body conscious issue deserve help..... But no-ones life is in danger because they cant have a baby.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge

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over a year ago

"No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

can gender reassignment ?

What the hell has that got to do with it?

Have you even considered the risk to the unborn child as it develops during pregnancy ....

Have you even considered the health risks to the host parent due to the potential of organ rejection ...

Have you even consider how the hospital cost and recourses required will result in less funding and delaying medical treatments of people who have genuine health problem.... "
I have and I know people in such situations and I know people with very little tact that have had certain procedures and flaunted such procedures in front of said people who have been knocked back for life altering operations due to lack of funding or specialists available so I do know what I'm talking about sadly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I be changed into a hottie on the NHS ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge "
no hate here I say yes if u want a child go for it but understand there will be people who will be pissed off at what would seen as NHS playing political correctness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I be changed into a hottie on the NHS ?

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you can get a gastric band lol to help you attain that flatter stomach and a nose job to help your mental state

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over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge "

Since when does having an opinion constitute hate ,,,,,

What you have just said is a negative comment!

This thread is an oppertunity for people to exchange thought and views so if you feel its worth challenging those views that's a good thing but its completely offensive to brand people haters because their opinion differ from your own..

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over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge

Since when does having an opinion constitute hate ,,,,,

What you have just said is a negative comment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge

Since when does having an opinion constitute hate ,,,,,

What you have just said is a negative comment!

Point taking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the way to go is wait till brain transplants are a common thing then if your transgender get your brain transplanted into the body you desire and have babies the natural way lol

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over a year ago

Transphobia on fab...shocker

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over a year ago

The thread isn't about stopping them having kids. It's about tax payers paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for the fairly pointless activity of carrying a pregnancy in a temporary womb. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge no hate here I say yes if u want a child go for it but understand there will be people who will be pissed off at what would seen as NHS playing political correctness "

In an ideal world where NHS funding and resources were sufficiently abundant so everyone who felt the quality of their life would be improved by a non essential medical procedure they could lead contented lives.... but until that time comes it's unrealistic to expect society to fund those procedure while the NHS are struggling to maintain the provision of the healthcare it was intended to provide at its inception...

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over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

very eloquently put better than I could of lol

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies. "

I don't agree with that statement. If it was true I would have been able to adopt a baby I couldn't however,my girl's were 3 1/2 and nearly 5. Babies up for adoption weren't in abundance.

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over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be. "

I dont think it should be available on the NHS. There is not enough money in the NHS to help people with life threatening illnesses and i feel those needs are greater.

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over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker"

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge

Since when does having an opinion constitute hate ,,,,,

What you have just said is a negative comment!

Point taking"

No probs ... x

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over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

I dont think it should be available on the NHS. There is not enough money in the NHS to help people with life threatening illnesses and i feel those needs are greater."

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over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be. "

Can you link to the actual article in the forum?

I'd like to read the article and also the sources of information it was wrotten from to see how much of it is bullshit because that's pretty much all the daily mail prints.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Transphobia on fab...shocker"

You could read it like that or you could read it as, is this right for the NHS to fund, which is completely different.

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over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

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over a year ago

For me even just considering the merits of investing transplant funding to provide a result for beneficiaries of such a procedure pail to insignificance compared to the benefit that would be gained by investing those funds and resources providing transplants to those who've lost limbs or sight....

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over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

You could read it like that or you could read it as, is this right for the NHS to fund, which is completely different. "

And yet some people managed to get both into one post!

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

I don't believe the NHS has enough money for the sick and dying people in its care.

I do believe in equality.

But not at any cost. There is one pot of money. People are dying from underfunding.

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over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

I made a point but you haven't provided a salient response to my post...

Can you point me to any expression of transphobia in this thread..

Because I cant see it....

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Of course people with emotional trauma caused by body conscious issue deserve help..... But no-ones life is in danger because they cant have a baby.....

I don't agree with that either. I had year's of IVF treatment,when you can't do something that nature dictates you should be doing it's destroying. So many time's I thought the only way I can stop feeling the way I do is if I'm not here,so many times I thought of getting in my car and driving at high speed into a wall,so many time's...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

I don't believe the NHS has enough money for the sick and dying people in its care.

I do believe in equality.

But not at any cost. There is one pot of money. People are dying from underfunding. "

So that means no IVF either?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I'd having babies a right then? I know it's a biological function but is someone who is unable to best children any less of a woman?

There are already avenues open to people such as ivf, surrogacy, adoption etc. Both can be used by all types of genders. There is already equality there.

I don't know yet whether I think it is ethical to place wombs in people temporarily or not. I'd need to read more info on it rather than make a snap decision. But I stand by the point that bring unable to carry a child, for whatever reason, does not make any woman a lesser woman.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

I don't believe the NHS has enough money for the sick and dying people in its care.

I do believe in equality.

But not at any cost. There is one pot of money. People are dying from underfunding.

So that means no IVF either?"

Is your point on equality for trans people or practical funding? You just switched arguments

I don't have an oppinion on IVF and don't know enough to comment, so I won't.

Like I said, there is one pot of money and it doesn't make sense to take so much out of thr pot for so few.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

That's just nonsense I'm afraid and here's why .

A guy is born into a woman's body or vice versa , and that's a tragedy for the individual . However , today we have the means to help them to a point , but we can't logistically change their inner workings to the point that a natural pregnancy can happen .

So a procedure to create an artificial womb is heralded as an answer , but at what cost ? Both the financial and ethical cost are way too great for universal agreement . What happens if the rejection rate is too high ? What happens if there's only a 50/50 chance of seeing the pregnancy through ? What happens if the recipient dies or has complications during the pregnancy ? These are the ethical issues .

And as for the NHS funding these procedures , can you imagine the shitstorm that will happen when ordinary people are denied life saving procedures while trans people are getting this done ? The NHS isn't there for this , and to be honest another poster suggests that ivf may be in the same category . I kind of agree with that too . It's not life saving , it's not a condition , it's a personal desire and the NHS is in enough trouble with funds without going down this road .

Inevitably there would be a backlash on the trans community too . The already ageing population would view this as yet another reason to pour vitriol on the community , and that's a fact . One can imagine the media having a field day if it went ahead , and the clock would be well and truly turned back .

None of this makes me transphobic in any way shape or form . It's pure logic from my perspective .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course people with emotional trauma caused by body conscious issue deserve help..... But no-ones life is in danger because they cant have a baby.....

You have my total sympathy and empathy and it sounds like your Doctors initiated treatment intended too hopefully rectify the problems you experienced...

I lost my soul-mate because Doctors couldn't offer a treatment

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over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

I don't believe the NHS has enough money for the sick and dying people in its care.

I do believe in equality.

But not at any cost. There is one pot of money. People are dying from underfunding.

So that means no IVF either?

Is your point on equality for trans people or practical funding? You just switched arguments

I don't have an oppinion on IVF and don't know enough to comment, so I won't.

Like I said, there is one pot of money and it doesn't make sense to take so much out of thr pot for so few. "

But those positions aren't equal. No help for trans people but no opinion on IVF?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

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sorry that's crap and a totally different debate ,people die every day waiting for organs etc the young and old who's to say who's more important surely happiness overrides money but the experts who perform these life changing operations are thin on the ground its more about their ability to cope with the demand ,people with money win out in these situations they can go private

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over a year ago

Personally, and this is only my opinion at this time of the morning. I don't think It should be in the NHS. I've read stories where someone has had a sex change, and then regretting it. The NHS should not be responsible for such a life changing decision and procedure.

As I said, my opinions mean nothing.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

I don't know if it should be free on the NHS maybe one day yeah. IVF cost myself and my ex thousands of pounds,I never totalled it. All I know is the absolute devastation when you can't have your own child,people don't choose to have a child you realise that when you can't they just choose when.

My heart goes out to them.

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over a year ago

"I don't know if it should be free on the NHS maybe one day yeah. IVF cost myself and my ex thousands of pounds,I never totalled it. All I know is the absolute devastation when you can't have your own child,people don't choose to have a child you realise that when you can't they just choose when.

My heart goes out to them."
that's what I said basically you can't put a price on a persons happiness

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over a year ago

"No way should it be funded by the NHS....it's utterly ridicules to even contemplate the merits are providing such a procedure on the state ....

can gender reassignment ?

What the hell has that got to do with it?

Have you even considered the risk to the unborn child as it develops during pregnancy ....

Have you even considered the health risks to the host parent due to the potential of organ rejection ...

Have you even consider how the hospital cost and recourses required will result in less funding and delaying medical treatments of people who have genuine health problem.... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

That's just nonsense I'm afraid and here's why .

None of this makes me transphobic in any way shape or form . It's pure logic from my perspective . "

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over a year ago

My heart goes out to them."

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over a year ago

I don't think such a procedure should be funded on the NHS, it's both ethically and financially wrong. All that time, effort and money when the chance of a successful pregancy is minimal is not the best use of NHS funding.

I'd also add that I don't agree with IVF being funded either, I understand that IVF only has a success rate of upto 32% dependent on age (2010 statistics). I have been in the position of being told I may not conceive naturally, we decided from the outset that we would not go through IVF as there were already children that needed love, care and attention either through fostering or adoption. I'd also seen people go through the IVF process and seen nothing but heartache, and knew that wasn't something I could put ourselves through.

Ginger

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over a year ago

"I don't think such a procedure should be funded on the NHS, it's both ethically and financially wrong. All that time, effort and money when the chance of a successful pregancy is minimal is not the best use of NHS funding.

Ginger

^^^This^^^

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By *enny79TV/TS
over a year ago

chesterfield

Ok you do get what transgender is don't you?? By some of the comments I don't think you do transgender is a female trapped in a males body me personally get broody around baby's and would love to carry and have my own. I'm not against adopting either I was adopted myself but for me the feeling I would get helping a new person enter the world would be amazing but regardless where the baby came from me or adopted they would be loved cared for the playing god comments really ivf,clones,even surgery we as humans have been playing god for years lengthening life killing others ask yourself if u got cancer and Drs could remove it to lengthen ur life you would well that is playing god so please don't preach about how wrong it is

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"Ok you do get what transgender is don't you?? By some of the comments I don't think you do transgender is a female trapped in a males body me personally get broody around baby's and would love to carry and have my own. I'm not against adopting either I was adopted myself but for me the feeling I would get helping a new person enter the world would be amazing but regardless where the baby came from me or adopted they would be loved cared for the playing god comments really ivf,clones,even surgery we as humans have been playing god for years lengthening life killing others ask yourself if u got cancer and Drs could remove it to lengthen ur life you would well that is playing god so please don't preach about how wrong it is "

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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago

Land of the giants... ;-)

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be. "

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

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By *enny79TV/TS
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

Ty I agree I need breast work to put them in the correct position but not getting implants I want them to b as natural as possible

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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago

Land of the giants... ;-)

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

Ty I agree I need breast work to put them in the correct position but not getting implants I want them to b as natural as possible

Ahhhh I was thinking boob job on a non transgender... I would be happy for a transgender to have a boob job on the nhs too...

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

I don't agree with that statement. If it was true I would have been able to adopt a baby I couldn't however,my girl's were 3 1/2 and nearly 5. Babies up for adoption weren't in abundance."

Statistically they exist. However, the state is well known for not making it easy to adopt, being incredibly prejudice with whom they place them and favouring returning the babies to their biological family even when they are horrendous. Every day there are 10 babies born heroin addicts in this country...

Unfortunately, both China and Russia have closed their adoption programmes to foreigners for some bizzare reason relating to national pride. Except babies with learning difficulties.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"There was some hoo rah about designer babies a while back WHere DNA from 3 people where used to effect the way the child looked and to help eradicate possible birth defects and hereditary conditions so in affect three people can produce a baby ,but ethically is ir right and should the NHS bear the price andif it's a transgender couple is it any more wrong than a straight couple trying to do this ?I say if you pay your taxes and stamp then your entitled to help if you've never put into the system then no "

What if you do put into the system but your contribution doesn't even cover a quarter of the cost?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think people were saying its the lgbt community responsibility to come round and adopt all the unwanted "straight" babies ... if you are a ff couple and can find a donor ... no problem... if you are mm and can find a surrogate ... no problem

I think the point was it seems like a waste of nhs resources to spend on a temporary womb and all the other operations that are required along with it ... that might not work ... when there are so many poor children in the care system desperate for a loving home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf?

I can see what your saying, and I'd say yes and no. It depends. It's a very emotive subject

Indeed it is.

If your body refuses to bear children..... should the NHS pay to enable you to? "

I do think there is a difference between your body not being designed to have children and your body being deffective and not allowing you to have children ... in one scenario you are looking for help to make your body do what it should , in the other you are looking for your body to do something it should never have been genetically capable of ... as has been said your body will continue to reject the womb

However i suppose that also opens up the can of worms of what about women who have their womb removed due to cancer ... do we give them a temporary womb? I sometimes think we just have to work with the hand life gave us as sad as that might be ... not all medical advancements are necessarily required

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over a year ago

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

Have i missed something? You cant make 1 baby from 2 eggs .. so what you mean is your trans friend who is now male will use his frozen egg ... a sperm donor will be used and the girlfriend will cary the fertilised egg in her womb? In which case the girlfriend is a surrogate here and not genetically related to the baby at all ... shes just carrying it

Contrary to what you said earlier 3 people cannot make a baby

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

A lot of people are deliberately conflating the rights of trans people to have children with taxpayers funding a temporary womb for them to give birth from. The latter offers absolutely nothing in terms of making them more able to have a baby since they will never produce the eggs themselves. Since they would use their own sperm to be related to the child, nobody has said anything remotely logical about why they can't just use a surrogate.

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over a year ago

"A lot of people are deliberately conflating the rights of trans people to have children with taxpayers funding a temporary womb for them to give birth from. The latter offers absolutely nothing in terms of making them more able to have a baby since they will never produce the eggs themselves. Since they would use their own sperm to be related to the child, nobody has said anything remotely logical about why they can't just use a surrogate. "

My understanding is that it would also use the 3 person egg process, someone mentioned it earlier. Why can't cis couples who can't conceive all use surrogates?

Aren't all wombs temporary?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

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"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge

Since when does having an opinion constitute hate ,,,,,

What you have just said is a negative comment!

De rigueur on this site it appears. If you have an opposing view the automatic response from some is "troll" or "haters".

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

My understanding is that it would also use the 3 person egg process, someone mentioned it earlier. Why can't cis couples who can't conceive all use surrogates?

Aren't all wombs temporary?"

It doesn't need the 3 person egg process. What's the benefit that you think justifies the cost? Rather than just using the pointless arguement of "we waste money there so let's waste money here too" why not actually spell out why it's so important that a transgender person gets themself pregnant, that everyone else should have to pay for it?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

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"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

Couldn't have worded it better myself!

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over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

Ty I agree I need breast work to put them in the correct position but not getting implants I want them to b as natural as possible

Ahhhh I was thinking boob job on a non transgender... I would be happy for a transgender to have a boob job on the nhs too...

You point has no logic... to qualify for a boob job on nhs you must either have pretty much no boob at all (there is a medical description but cant remember it) or they would be so large they are causing pain and back problems

How did either of those person choose to be born that way any more than the trans person ?

Not saying i do or dont agree with either ... just pointing out that the logic for your stance is seriously flawed and hypocritcal

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

That's just nonsense I'm afraid and here's why .

None of this makes me transphobic in any way shape or form . It's pure logic from my perspective . "

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over a year ago

"Wow so much hate and negative comments

Well I for one think that the Nhs should fund it

I very much doubt that trans gender people have it easy and people are so quick to judge "

when you say hate... you mean quietly voiced disapproval right?

When you say negative comments, you mean factual comments right?

The NHS shouldn't pay for it. You could donate your savings to pay for a reassignment privately for someone though... sound good?

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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago

Land of the giants... ;-)

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

Ty I agree I need breast work to put them in the correct position but not getting implants I want them to b as natural as possible

Ahhhh I was thinking boob job on a non transgender... I would be happy for a transgender to have a boob job on the nhs too...

How did either of those person choose to be born that way any more than the trans person ?

Not saying i do or dont agree with either ... just pointing out that the logic for your stance is seriously flawed and hypocritcal "

My point is very logical.. on non transgender people... I am more than happy for them to have a boob job if it is for medical reasons on the nhs... but not for cosmetic reasons...

Transgender people also should be allowed too... effectively they are born in the wrong gender... in order for them to have peace and acceptance in themselves and from others I think it is right for transgender to have changes made free on the NHS. ..

Logic...

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over a year ago

" Rather than just using the pointless arguement of "we waste money there so let's waste money here too" why not actually spell out why it's so important that a transgender person gets themself pregnant, that everyone else should have to pay for it?"

If you don't think money should be spent on IVF for cis couples then we are agreeing?

I care that either everyone has access to fertility treatment or no one has access to fertility treatment.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

If you don't think money should be spent on IVF for cis couples then we are agreeing?

I care that either everyone has access to fertility treatment or no one has access to fertility treatment.

It's not fertility treatment so your point is logically flawed. It is in no way enabling them to create a baby they wouldn't have a higher probability of success creating through other methods.

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over a year ago

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

Ty I agree I need breast work to put them in the correct position but not getting implants I want them to b as natural as possible

Ahhhh I was thinking boob job on a non transgender... I would be happy for a transgender to have a boob job on the nhs too...

How did either of those person choose to be born that way any more than the trans person ?

Not saying i do or dont agree with either ... just pointing out that the logic for your stance is seriously flawed and hypocritcal

My point is very logical.. on non transgender people... I am more than happy for them to have a boob job if it is for medical reasons on the nhs... but not for cosmetic reasons...

Logic...

You said you only agree with reconstructive breast surgery

You dont get a cosmetic boob job on the nhs ... unless you count a breast enhancement for someone with barely more than nipples as cosmetic ... but again i dont see that (basically a woman who doesnt feel like a "proper" woman because she is missing key woman parts) as any different to a trans person who had the right to have peace and acceptance in themselves

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over a year ago

If you don't think money should be spent on IVF for cis couples then we are agreeing?

I care that either everyone has access to fertility treatment or no one has access to fertility treatment.

It's not fertility treatment so your point is logically flawed. It is in no way enabling them to create a baby they wouldn't have a higher probability of success creating through other methods. "

You just can't bear to agree with me, can you?

"Its not fertility cause they cant blah blah blah in the first place blah blah"

It must be so infuriating to hold the same opinion as some woke snowflake lefty

kiss and make up? xx

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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago

Land of the giants... ;-)

"Reading on daily male now about womb transplants for transgendered people. So if a male to female wanted to have a baby they now can via the womb transplant.

However here is the debate... should it be free on the NHS? I personally don't think it should be.

Personally I think it should be.. it's not as if a transgender person has chosen to be transgender..

I disagree with something like a boob job unless it's to do with boob reconstruction... but this I agree with...

How amazing science is.. brilliant..

Ty I agree I need breast work to put them in the correct position but not getting implants I want them to b as natural as possible

Ahhhh I was thinking boob job on a non transgender... I would be happy for a transgender to have a boob job on the nhs too...

How did either of those person choose to be born that way any more than the trans person ?

Not saying i do or dont agree with either ... just pointing out that the logic for your stance is seriously flawed and hypocritcal

My point is very logical.. on non transgender people... I am more than happy for them to have a boob job if it is for medical reasons on the nhs... but not for cosmetic reasons...

Logic...

You said you only agree with reconstructive breast surgery

I'm not disagreeing with you... the example you gave is correct.. I would regard that as a medical reason..

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over a year ago

If you don't think money should be spent on IVF for cis couples then we are agreeing?

I care that either everyone has access to fertility treatment or no one has access to fertility treatment.

It's not fertility treatment so your point is logically flawed. It is in no way enabling them to create a baby they wouldn't have a higher probability of success creating through other methods.

You just can't bear to agree with me, can you?

"Its not fertility cause they cant blah blah blah in the first place blah blah"

It must be so infuriating to hold the same opinion as some woke snowflake lefty

kiss and make up? xx "

Its more infuriating when people make having an opinion on anything as left vs right politics and use it to try shame you into thinking your opinion is wrong

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

Because it's fucked up shit that shouldn't be done, let alone on the NHS, that's why the fuck not."

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

If you don't think money should be spent on IVF for cis couples then we are agreeing?

I care that either everyone has access to fertility treatment or no one has access to fertility treatment.

It's not fertility treatment so your point is logically flawed. It is in no way enabling them to create a baby they wouldn't have a higher probability of success creating through other methods.

You just can't bear to agree with me, can you?

"Its not fertility cause they cant blah blah blah in the first place blah blah"

It must be so infuriating to hold the same opinion as some woke snowflake lefty

kiss and make up? xx

Its more infuriating when people make having an opinion on anything as left vs right politics and use it to try shame you into thinking your opinion is wrong "

Exactly, I'm perfectly happy for trans people to do this if they want to, i just haven't heard any valid reasons for the NHS to fund it.

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over a year ago

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

I don't agree with that statement. If it was true I would have been able to adopt a baby I couldn't however,my girl's were 3 1/2 and nearly 5. Babies up for adoption weren't in abundance.

Unfortunately, both China and Russia have closed their adoption programmes to foreigners for some bizzare reason relating to national pride. Except babies with learning difficulties. "

Wasn't their some incidents of Russian children being adopted by foreigners, who were then subject to abuse and neglect?

We looked into the adoption process some years ago, it's quite daunting.

Sorry to go off topic.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

why would they not get a loving home?

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying there are already thousands of babies that would love to be adopted by them, the world is not short on babies.

I don't agree with that statement. If it was true I would have been able to adopt a baby I couldn't however,my girl's were 3 1/2 and nearly 5. Babies up for adoption weren't in abundance.

Unfortunately, both China and Russia have closed their adoption programmes to foreigners for some bizzare reason relating to national pride. Except babies with learning difficulties.

Wasn't their some incidents of Russian children being adopted by foreigners, who were then subject to abuse and neglect?

We looked into the adoption process some years ago, it's quite daunting.

Sorry to go off topic. "

Probably but the real reason is more the rise of nationalism. Neither want to be seen as poor countries even though they also are unable or unwilling to provide humane facilities for children in care.

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over a year ago

Backs out quietly

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

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Pope din for a read but rather not comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is indeed an emotive subject.

I am in agreement with advances in medical science but there are equally as important ethical issues.

Trans people can have their own children. There are options to freeze and store sperm and eggs before any medical intervention commences. I haven't seen the article relating to womb transplants in Trans women, but the sheer scale of how the body would need to be altered to accommodate this, along with strong hormonal drugs to sustain and prevent rejection by the body seems a huge ordeal and who knows what side effects that would create. And also the ethical debate on the fetus, how many pregnancies would miscarry, could there be abnormalities due to the drugs used to maintain the pregnancy in a transplanted womb. I for one think its a far wider debate than just "should Trans women be allowed a pregnancy and should treatment be subsidised by the NHS.

Using a line from Jurassic park, scientists are preoccupied on whether they could, instead of whether they should....

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over a year ago

Using a line from Jurassic park, scientists are preoccupied on whether they could, instead of whether they should...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is indeed an emotive subject.

I am in agreement with advances in medical science but there are equally as important ethical issues.

Using a line from Jurassic park, scientists are preoccupied on whether they could, instead of whether they should...."

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If you don't think money should be spent on IVF for cis couples then we are agreeing?

I care that either everyone has access to fertility treatment or no one has access to fertility treatment.

It's not fertility treatment so your point is logically flawed. It is in no way enabling them to create a baby they wouldn't have a higher probability of success creating through other methods.

You just can't bear to agree with me, can you?

"Its not fertility cause they cant blah blah blah in the first place blah blah"

It must be so infuriating to hold the same opinion as some woke snowflake lefty

kiss and make up? xx

Its more infuriating when people make having an opinion on anything as left vs right politics and use it to try shame you into thinking your opinion is wrong "

I wonder if there's any anti immigration, pro fox hunting, climate change denying, 4x4 driving transsexuals who are paid up members of the conservative party........ ponder ponder.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

With ref to the OP a friend of mine is going through gender reassignment at the moment. And hand on heart, it pisses me off that the laser treatment to remove her beard is paid for by national insurance. So I'm not in favour. To be honest, i didn't think IVF was free on the nhs ?

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over a year ago

"With ref to the OP a friend of mine is going through gender reassignment at the moment. And hand on heart, it pisses me off that the laser treatment to remove her beard is paid for by national insurance. So I'm not in favour. To be honest, i didn't think IVF was free on the nhs ?"

Most Doctor surgeries won't refer women with excess facial/body hair for hair removal on the NHS even for medical reasons

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Most Doctor surgeries won't refer women with excess facial/body hair for hair removal on the NHS even for medical reasons"

Wow! That's even worse!

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over a year ago

Electrolysis is essential for removing hair on the genital / testicle area prior to surgery. As the penis and testicles are used to create the vagina, then the hair follicles must be destroyed as hair will start growing inside the body and cause infection. It isn't just for cosmetic reasons.

That said my friend paid for all her electrolysis procedures so I suppose its down to each trusts funding.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Electrolysis is essential for removing hair on the genital / testicle area prior to surgery. As the penis and testicles are used to create the vagina, then the hair follicles must be destroyed as hair will start growing inside the body and cause infection. It isn't just for cosmetic reasons.

That said my friend paid for all her electrolysis procedures so I suppose its down to each trusts funding. "

The procedure i mentioned was purely facial. She's still in her first 2 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

Theres no such thing as Transphobia, nobody has an irrational fear of a guy in a frock...

And I for one dont think any Trans should recieve feminisation treatment on the NHS, its an over loaded, under funded service struggling to do major surgeries on people with life threatening problems, if a Tran is so desperate to be femininised, let him/her save up the money for said elective surgery..

By the way I am a Tran, but not one with their head stuck up their own arse

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

•+• Access Denied •+•

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf? "

good point. sometimes i do think we should be creating societies of people that can learn to cope with whatever life throws at them, and this includes fertility problems.

i'm not sure if it's cruel to deny people unnecessary medical procedures if we have that technology available to do them.

and what is unnecessary anyway? is it really everyone's right to have/bear children also?

just because there is an over abundance of children why should only infertile people be denied the right to bear them when we have the technology so they can? we don't limit people who are not infertile.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf?

good point. sometimes i do think we should be creating societies of people that can learn to cope with whatever life throws at them, and this includes fertility problems.

i'm not sure if it's cruel to deny people unnecessary medical procedures if we have that technology available to do them.

and what is unnecessary anyway? is it really everyone's right to have/bear children also?

Morality is usually linked to some sort of sustainable lifestyle. The present population explosion in the world is not sustainable, the planets eco system can't cope with 7bn people unless many of them are dramatically poor. Unfortunately, the trend is still upwards to 12bn by 2050. People that don't have children are doing the world a favour. People who adopt existing children, even more so.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't agree with it and think it's opening doors to playing god as such. Just my opinion

I kinda agree with this.

I'd love to have carried my babies but I appreciate the body I was given wasn't designed for it.

So should women get ivf?

good point. sometimes i do think we should be creating societies of people that can learn to cope with whatever life throws at them, and this includes fertility problems.

i'm not sure if it's cruel to deny people unnecessary medical procedures if we have that technology available to do them.

and what is unnecessary anyway? is it really everyone's right to have/bear children also?

and yet you still see whole countries denying contraception to their people and justifying that.

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over a year ago

I'm not sure you can base any debate on something read in the Daily Mail...

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

Theres no such thing as Transphobia, nobody has an irrational fear of a guy in a frock...

By the way I am a Tran, but not one with their head stuck up their own arse"

Just clapped soo hard my palms bled!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That said my friend paid for all her electrolysis procedures so I suppose its down to each trusts funding.

The procedure i mentioned was purely facial. She's still in her first 2 years. "

Then I do agree, non essential procedures should be funded by the individual.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not sure you can base any debate on something read in the Daily Mail..."

Read it in one of the many other sources it was reported then

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over a year ago

I may be wrong but I think you get two or three goes at ivf on the NHS depending on your postcode.

I agree that laser hair removal shouldn't be on the NHS.

I'm undergoing it myself at the moment. Very expensive but very effective.

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over a year ago

"I'm not sure you can base any debate on something read in the Daily Mail...

Read it in one of the many other sources it was reported then

You mean The Sun and The Metro? The sources all lead back to something "told to a Sunday Mail reporter".

My comment still stands.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not sure you can base any debate on something read in the Daily Mail...

Read it in one of the many other sources it was reported then

You mean The Sun and The Metro? The sources all lead back to something "told to a Sunday Mail reporter".

My comment still stands. "

No, as i said earlier, if you google "With womb transplants a reality, transgender women dare to dream of pregnancies" then you'll get sources that aren't newspapers nor do they refer to newspapers.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I may be wrong but I think you get two or three goes at ivf on the NHS depending on your postcode.

I agree that laser hair removal shouldn't be on the NHS.

I'm undergoing it myself at the moment. Very expensive but very effective. "

But at the end of the day gender reassignment surgery is providing a real benefit in the right circumstances. There's no benefit to enabling a trans person to get pregnant other than... they get to experience pregancy.

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over a year ago

"I'm not sure you can base any debate on something read in the Daily Mail...

Read it in one of the many other sources it was reported then

You mean The Sun and The Metro? The sources all lead back to something "told to a Sunday Mail reporter".

My comment still stands.

No, as i said earlier, if you google "With womb transplants a reality, transgender women dare to dream of pregnancies" then you'll get sources that aren't newspapers nor do they refer to newspapers. "

I did. There's no mention of it being made available on the NHS in any of those sources. The Guardian article is about womb transplants in cis women.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not sure you can base any debate on something read in the Daily Mail...

Read it in one of the many other sources it was reported then

You mean The Sun and The Metro? The sources all lead back to something "told to a Sunday Mail reporter".

My comment still stands.

No, as i said earlier, if you google "With womb transplants a reality, transgender women dare to dream of pregnancies" then you'll get sources that aren't newspapers nor do they refer to newspapers.

I did. There's no mention of it being made available on the NHS in any of those sources. The Guardian article is about womb transplants in cis women.

Ok i see what you are saying now. I thought the OP was just debating it hypothetically anyway. It's not actually been done outside of america (to my knowledge) so an NHS decision is a long way off.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It is indeed an emotive subject.

I am in agreement with advances in medical science but there are equally as important ethical issues.

Using a line from Jurassic park, scientists are preoccupied on whether they could, instead of whether they should...."

I've read the whole thread now and this comes closest to my views. Thanks, Iconic.

The HFEA has approved material from 3 genetic sources being used (2 eggs and 1 sperm) in very restricted circumstances.

Finding egg donors is hard, finding organ donors is hard for the operations we now consider a regular part of medical practice, finding womb donors will be very difficult. They are tricky things.

I'm not anti-advancement but it seems to be wrong argument at this time.

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If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby "

no its not cause it's been done only don't wanna look it up cause it prove you wrong I can't stand women like you always have to be right when you are wrong

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby

no its not cause it's been done only don't wanna look it up cause it prove you wrong I can't stand women like you always have to be right when you are wrong "

you can post links to the bbc, i found one for you. it explains that there is only one egg and sperm but mitochondria (one type of cell oragnelle) from a 3rd person can be implanted o replace faulty ones.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37485263

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over a year ago

"Transphobia on fab...shocker

Where ?..... I cant see anything even resembling a Transphobic post in this thread .....

If you don't believe trans people deserve the same rights as cis people that's transphobia.

Just as, if you don't believe minorities deserve the same rights as white people, that's racism. The same with women and misogyny

Infertile cis couples have access to ivf on the NHS. If you believe that no trans people deserve help on NHS that's transphobia. Pretty simple really

Theres no such thing as Transphobia, nobody has an irrational fear of a guy in a frock...

By the way I am a Tran, but not one with their head stuck up their own arse"

Do you speak on behalf of all trans people?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby

no its not cause it's been done only don't wanna look it up cause it prove you wrong I can't stand women like you always have to be right when you are wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37485263"

Well technically you're both right. 3 people really just means ~99% of one egg and ~1% of another so it is 2 eggs but not really. Semantics really.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby

no its not cause it's been done only don't wanna look it up cause it prove you wrong I can't stand women like you always have to be right when you are wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37485263

Well technically you're both right. 3 people really just means ~99% of one egg and ~1% of another so it is 2 eggs but not really. Semantics really. "

the baby will have the DNA from all 3 contributing though.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby

no its not cause it's been done only don't wanna look it up cause it prove you wrong I can't stand women like you always have to be right when you are wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37485263

Well technically you're both right. 3 people really just means ~99% of one egg and ~1% of another so it is 2 eggs but not really. Semantics really.

the baby will have the DNA from all 3 contributing though."

Yes, just not very much. An amount that is statistically insignificant.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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If I couldn't have children I would of adopted and I'd still love to adopt a child if I was in a position to.

What about surrogacy ? Could this not be an option?

gf*

Sorry to sound pedantic but how will the baby be genetically related to both? When it will only be the donors and either your friend or his gf, not both!

Ok but seriously it's impossible to have 3 people create a baby! That's basic biology. You have one sperm one egg ! So what you said above I'm afraid is not true.

i will send you link to the people who did maybe they explain it in there i don't know

No link will ever explain science, it's fact I'm afraid! Only two people can create a fetus M+F sperm penetrates egg creates baby

no its not cause it's been done only don't wanna look it up cause it prove you wrong I can't stand women like you always have to be right when you are wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37485263

Well technically you're both right. 3 people really just means ~99% of one egg and ~1% of another so it is 2 eggs but not really. Semantics really.

the baby will have the DNA from all 3 contributing though.

Yes, just not very much. An amount that is statistically insignificant. "

vital all the same. interestingly they've used a male embryo so the new mtDNA won't be passed on.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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although i'm not sure how that works as the course i was doing fucked up half way through and i couldn't use the site in the way i should so had to abandon the course.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"It is indeed an emotive subject.

I am in agreement with advances in medical science but there are equally as important ethical issues.

Using a line from Jurassic park, scientists are preoccupied on whether they could, instead of whether they should...."

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Most Doctor surgeries won't refer women with excess facial/body hair for hair removal on the NHS even for medical reasons"

Yet most surgeries I've been to have recommended epilators I could buy whilst offering gastric surgery I didn't ask for!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People dying of cancer because "NICE" say drugs too expensive to save lives.

In those circumstances one has to question the morals of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good thread ....

Shame some blinked people are unable to see the difference between opinion and prejudice

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