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"It's illegal but you don't get prosecuted if two doctors sign and it happens within the criteria set out. Hence the 'decriminalisation' aspect of it. In 2008 an art student reportedly inseminated herself and had medical abortions and created art from the aborted foetuses and blood. Decriminalisation would mean anyone could abort a baby even at their due date so long as they kill it inside the womb and call it performance art and that would be perfectly legal, even if they are literally pulling fully formed limbs and eyeballs from their vagina. Just think about that for a minute. I'm pro choice and think that is sick. There should be a limit. " It's a Satanists dream come true. | |||
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"It's illegal but you don't get prosecuted if two doctors sign and it happens within the criteria set out. Hence the 'decriminalisation' aspect of it. In 2008 an art student reportedly inseminated herself and had medical abortions and created art from the aborted foetuses and blood. Decriminalisation would mean anyone could abort a baby even at their due date so long as they kill it inside the womb and call it performance art and that would be perfectly legal, even if they are literally pulling fully formed limbs and eyeballs from their vagina. Just think about that for a minute. I'm pro choice and think that is sick. There should be a limit. " I get the impression that the 24 week limit stands. | |||
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"It's illegal but you don't get prosecuted if two doctors sign and it happens within the criteria set out. Hence the 'decriminalisation' aspect of it. In 2008 an art student reportedly inseminated herself and had medical abortions and created art from the aborted foetuses and blood. Decriminalisation would mean anyone could abort a baby even at their due date so long as they kill it inside the womb and call it performance art and that would be perfectly legal, even if they are literally pulling fully formed limbs and eyeballs from their vagina. Just think about that for a minute. I'm pro choice and think that is sick. There should be a limit. I get the impression that the 24 week limit stands." not if the mother is in danger or just can't cope. i know someone 7 months gone who was able to abort just coz she was mentally unable to cope with the pregnancy any longer. majority of abortions are done for medical reasons anyway, which is why you can get 2 doctors to give the say so. i'm pro-choice also. i think it's not for me personally but if others do not want to continue a pregnancy then they should be allowed to terminate. i don't believe it's anyone elses right to tell someone how they should act with their own body, even the weirdo mentioned above is doing something i don't agree with but it's her body to do that with. i prioritise with autonomy over the self than over a dependent (which is what a foetus or embryo is). | |||
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"I'm pro choice, but do agree with today's medical advances we need to lower the limits. So many babies are being born and survive at a few later than the limit or even at it x "  | |||
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"I find the general view from the left that if a child is born with severe mental/physical retardations, sure to live a miserable life and make life for the parents miserable, humanely putting it down is outrageous and sickening to even suggest, yet killing a perfectly healthy baby that's still in the womb is perfectly acceptable, because mummy is young and still hadbt partying to do... to be very hypocritical." My extremist view is that if men aren't pro-choice they shouldn't be allowed an opinion  | |||
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"I find the general view from the left that if a child is born with severe mental/physical retardations, sure to live a miserable life and make life for the parents miserable, humanely putting it down is outrageous and sickening to even suggest, yet killing a perfectly healthy baby that's still in the womb is perfectly acceptable, because mummy is young and still hadbt partying to do... to be very hypocritical. My extremist view is that if men aren't pro-choice they shouldn't be allowed an opinion "I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. " I don't think that men should be able to decide if women have an abortion or not, but I do think they should be able to have a 'financial' abortion. If women can decide to not have a child and get an abortion then so should men. No contraceptive method is foolproof. The condom, coil and pill all fail and if a man has a one night stand or even is in a relationship and doesn't consent to having a child then he should be able to have a 'financial abortion' if she decides to keep it. There are stories of women having one night stands, the man wears a condom, she takes used condom out of bin and empties it into her and nine months later is suing for maintenance and the courts give it to her, despite him never having consented to having a child and taking all relevant precautions to prevent a pregnancy and another story of an underage schoolboy groomed and r*ped by his female teacher who then got pregnant and sued the abuse victim for maintenance and won. I'm sorry but that's just unacceptable. Look up the stories. Equality works both ways. I would give men up until the abortion limit of the child which is 23 weeks to submit a financial abortion, so that the woman can then decide if she wants to keep it and be solely responsible for it or have the option to abort it. I would also make it that a man can't be sued for maintenance if he has financially aborted within the limit, with an extension if he was not told that she was pregnant within the limit. I don't think women should have the sole option on whether they want to be responsible for a child or not. More importantly I would really love to see the approval of male reversible contraceptives to give men that freedom. The best option is prevention. | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. " This is rubbish Reproductive rights affect both men and women and stating that only women can develop legislation for something means that you don't believe in equality between the sexes. You should have the most qualified people for the job - it shouldn't matter if they are male or female. What next? Only men can decide on divorce cases because usually it is their finances which are affected the most? Ridiculous. | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. I don't think that men should be able to decide if women have an abortion or not, but I do think they should be able to have a 'financial' abortion. If women can decide to not have a child and get an abortion then so should men. No contraceptive method is foolproof. The condom, coil and pill all fail and if a man has a one night stand or even is in a relationship and doesn't consent to having a child then he should be able to have a 'financial abortion' if she decides to keep it. There are stories of women having one night stands, the man wears a condom, she takes used condom out of bin and empties it into her and nine months later is suing for maintenance and the courts give it to her, despite him never having consented to having a child and taking all relevant precautions to prevent a pregnancy and another story of an underage schoolboy groomed and r*ped by his female teacher who then got pregnant and sued the abuse victim for maintenance and won. I'm sorry but that's just unacceptable. Look up the stories. Equality works both ways. I would give men up until the abortion limit of the child which is 23 weeks to submit a financial abortion, so that the woman can then decide if she wants to keep it and be solely responsible for it or have the option to abort it. I would also make it that a man can't be sued for maintenance if he has financially aborted within the limit, with an extension if he was not told that she was pregnant within the limit. I don't think women should have the sole option on whether they want to be responsible for a child or not. More importantly I would really love to see the approval of male reversible contraceptives to give men that freedom. The best option is prevention. " In a society where men do financially abort their children by walking away, your idea is humorous. I can actually see where you're coming from though. | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. This is rubbish Reproductive rights affect both men and women and stating that only women can develop legislation for something means that you don't believe in equality between the sexes. You should have the most qualified people for the job - it shouldn't matter if they are male or female. What next? Only men can decide on divorce cases because usually it is their finances which are affected the most? Ridiculous. " Yet it's all men in the US deciding just this. | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. I don't think that men should be able to decide if women have an abortion or not, but I do think they should be able to have a 'financial' abortion. If women can decide to not have a child and get an abortion then so should men. No contraceptive method is foolproof. The condom, coil and pill all fail and if a man has a one night stand or even is in a relationship and doesn't consent to having a child then he should be able to have a 'financial abortion' if she decides to keep it. There are stories of women having one night stands, the man wears a condom, she takes used condom out of bin and empties it into her and nine months later is suing for maintenance and the courts give it to her, despite him never having consented to having a child and taking all relevant precautions to prevent a pregnancy and another story of an underage schoolboy groomed and r*ped by his female teacher who then got pregnant and sued the abuse victim for maintenance and won. I'm sorry but that's just unacceptable. Look up the stories. Equality works both ways. I would give men up until the abortion limit of the child which is 23 weeks to submit a financial abortion, so that the woman can then decide if she wants to keep it and be solely responsible for it or have the option to abort it. I would also make it that a man can't be sued for maintenance if he has financially aborted within the limit, with an extension if he was not told that she was pregnant within the limit. I don't think women should have the sole option on whether they want to be responsible for a child or not. More importantly I would really love to see the approval of male reversible contraceptives to give men that freedom. The best option is prevention. " How do you prevent men who demanding a financial abortion when they happily went barebacking and knew the risks? | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. I don't think that men should be able to decide if women have an abortion or not, but I do think they should be able to have a 'financial' abortion. If women can decide to not have a child and get an abortion then so should men. No contraceptive method is foolproof. The condom, coil and pill all fail and if a man has a one night stand or even is in a relationship and doesn't consent to having a child then he should be able to have a 'financial abortion' if she decides to keep it. There are stories of women having one night stands, the man wears a condom, she takes used condom out of bin and empties it into her and nine months later is suing for maintenance and the courts give it to her, despite him never having consented to having a child and taking all relevant precautions to prevent a pregnancy and another story of an underage schoolboy groomed and r*ped by his female teacher who then got pregnant and sued the abuse victim for maintenance and won. I'm sorry but that's just unacceptable. Look up the stories. Equality works both ways. I would give men up until the abortion limit of the child which is 23 weeks to submit a financial abortion, so that the woman can then decide if she wants to keep it and be solely responsible for it or have the option to abort it. I would also make it that a man can't be sued for maintenance if he has financially aborted within the limit, with an extension if he was not told that she was pregnant within the limit. I don't think women should have the sole option on whether they want to be responsible for a child or not. More importantly I would really love to see the approval of male reversible contraceptives to give men that freedom. The best option is prevention. " Your "stories" of women conceiving by using an empty condom taken from the bin are just that. There is no way that semen would survive going cold in a vessel covered in spermicidal lubricant, sorry. | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though." The anti-choice mentality in the (some) States is insane I am glad we live in a sensible country by comparison | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though. The anti-choice mentality in the (some) States is insane I am glad we live in a sensible country by comparison "so am i glad. i don't get why they're so rabid about women not having womens rights. and they wanna not give out contraception. seems like horrible politics right now. | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though. The anti-choice mentality in the (some) States is insane I am glad we live in a sensible country by comparison
so am i glad. i don't get why they're so rabid about women not having womens rights. and they wanna not give out contraception. seems like horrible politics right now."
All women should have easy access to safe abortion care without these idiots trying to throw in the most ridiculous obstacles they can think of.
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though. The anti-choice mentality in the (some) States is insane I am glad we live in a sensible country by comparison
so am i glad. i don't get why they're so rabid about women not having womens rights. and they wanna not give out contraception. seems like horrible politics right now.
All women should have easy access to safe abortion care without these idiots trying to throw in the most ridiculous obstacles they can think of.
It's so regressive it's unbelieveable "apart from that especially it doesn't make sense if they want to keep the welfare bill down as well. not saying everyone who wants abortion is poor or anything like that but these kids will need schooling, medicare, and all kinds of welfare. | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though. The anti-choice mentality in the (some) States is insane I am glad we live in a sensible country by comparison
so am i glad. i don't get why they're so rabid about women not having womens rights. and they wanna not give out contraception. seems like horrible politics right now.
All women should have easy access to safe abortion care without these idiots trying to throw in the most ridiculous obstacles they can think of.
It's so regressive it's unbelieveable
apart from that especially it doesn't make sense if they want to keep the welfare bill down as well. not saying everyone who wants abortion is poor or anything like that but these kids will need schooling, medicare, and all kinds of welfare."I don't there is a lot of sense or logic to a lot of shit the Americans come up with tbh | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though. The anti-choice mentality in the (some) States is insane I am glad we live in a sensible country by comparison
so am i glad. i don't get why they're so rabid about women not having womens rights. and they wanna not give out contraception. seems like horrible politics right now.
All women should have easy access to safe abortion care without these idiots trying to throw in the most ridiculous obstacles they can think of.
It's so regressive it's unbelieveable
apart from that especially it doesn't make sense if they want to keep the welfare bill down as well. not saying everyone who wants abortion is poor or anything like that but these kids will need schooling, medicare, and all kinds of welfare."I totally agree. If I was by immaculate conception to fall pregnant I would abort, 1. Because I can't afford another child. 2. It's not fair on my other two children. 3. I'm too old (subjective) | |||
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"It's illegal but you don't get prosecuted if two doctors sign and it happens within the criteria set out. Hence the 'decriminalisation' aspect of it. In 2008 an art student reportedly inseminated herself and had medical abortions and created art from the aborted foetuses and blood. Decriminalisation would mean anyone could abort a baby even at their due date so long as they kill it inside the womb and call it performance art and that would be perfectly legal, even if they are literally pulling fully formed limbs and eyeballs from their vagina. Just think about that for a minute. I'm pro choice and think that is sick. There should be a limit. It's a Satanists dream come true. " You. Obviously don't know any satanists | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. This is rubbish Reproductive rights affect both men and women and stating that only women can develop legislation for something means that you don't believe in equality between the sexes. You should have the most qualified people for the job - it shouldn't matter if they are male or female. What next? Only men can decide on divorce cases because usually it is their finances which are affected the most? Ridiculous. " Maybe only a third should be men. Like only a third of women are MPs. Btw foetuses only become babies after their born | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though." Amniocentesis? Ridiculous legislation. | |||
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" I don't think that men should be allowed a say on what women do with their bodies at all. Obviously, they have opinions, but I feel that any change to abortion regulation should be decided by an all female panel. This is rubbish Reproductive rights affect both men and women and stating that only women can develop legislation for something means that you don't believe in equality between the sexes. You should have the most qualified people for the job - it shouldn't matter if they are male or female. What next? Only men can decide on divorce cases because usually it is their finances which are affected the most? Ridiculous. Maybe only a third should be men. Like only a third of women are MPs. Btw foetuses only become babies after their born" I'm sure it's classed as a baby when it's viable to survive if born premature that's usually 20-25 weeks I think. | |||
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"alabama has just brought it into law now that if a woman wants an abortion then she needs permission of the feotus dad. not sure how he can prove he's the dad though. Amniocentesis? Ridiculous legislation." I guess that would be the only way Which in itself carries a 0.5-1% chance of causing miscarriage So if they were to insist on it in some warped, backward attempt at denying the woman's right to abortion they would be instantly increasing the risk of it occuring spontaneously anyway It's fucking bonkers | |||
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"It's illegal but you don't get prosecuted if two doctors sign and it happens within the criteria set out. Hence the 'decriminalisation' aspect of it. In 2008 an art student reportedly inseminated herself and had medical abortions and created art from the aborted foetuses and blood. Decriminalisation would mean anyone could abort a baby even at their due date so long as they kill it inside the womb and call it performance art and that would be perfectly legal, even if they are literally pulling fully formed limbs and eyeballs from their vagina. Just think about that for a minute. I'm pro choice and think that is sick. There should be a limit. " Frankly I have no idea what this story and your horrendous extrapolation - or the other extreme cases you offered - have to do with the needs of everyday women. Women don't want to grow fetuses and dismember them for show; they want to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy and get on with their lives. The vast majority of abortions are done at first trimester (and these days chemically), yet the debate focuses more on late abortions, why is that? The only sensible thing you wrote was looking forward to more reliable male contraception. | |||
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"Btw foetuses only become babies after their born I'm sure it's classed as a baby when it's viable to survive if born premature that's usually 20-25 weeks I think. " Babies in utero are not a person in the eye of the law, so their rights are limited, and subordinate to those of the carrying mother. Yes, with advances in medical science half-term babies have good chances of surviving; but in most cases do so with debilitating health issues, often needing specialist support throughout their lives. The stories of "miracle babies" simply should not be used in debating abortion, or in fact should point out that in cases of serious medical complications the parents (and esp. the mother) should indeed be in a position to decide if they can/want to put this level of energy&resources in keeping said baby alive. | |||
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"Btw foetuses only become babies after their born I'm sure it's classed as a baby when it's viable to survive if born premature that's usually 20-25 weeks I think. Babies in utero are not a person in the eye of the law, so their rights are limited, and subordinate to those of the carrying mother. Yes, with advances in medical science half-term babies have good chances of surviving; but in most cases do so with debilitating health issues, often needing specialist support throughout their lives. The stories of "miracle babies" simply should not be used in debating abortion, or in fact should point out that in cases of serious medical complications the parents (and esp. the mother) should indeed be in a position to decide if they can/want to put this level of energy&resources in keeping said baby alive." I kind of agree, down to ethics I suppose. | |||
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" Frankly I have no idea what this story and your horrendous extrapolation - or the other extreme cases you offered - have to do with the needs of everyday women. Women don't want to grow fetuses and dismember them for show; they want to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy and get on with their lives. The vast majority of abortions are done at first trimester (and these days chemically), yet the debate focuses more on late abortions, why is that? The only sensible thing you wrote was looking forward to more reliable male contraception. " They aren't one off cases. Look up #shoutyourabortion on Twitter. It's a whole campaign with feminists coming themselves cheering and 'proud' to have an abortion. While I don't think people should be ashamed of it I think saying you are proud is wrong. The reason late terminations were brought up is because the proposed law change is to decriminalise abortion at all stages. | |||
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