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"In a poll of American men (I have no idea hoe big the sample was, so it is probably tosh.) over half of the men surveyed said that they had had sex with a women they disliked. Would you have sex with someone you dislike? "Maybe they where including the guys wives in the poll | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha" and we wonder why single guys get a hard time  | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha"
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha
I hope your prospective meets do their homework!!!"Im just being genuine...from my experience....my job is a all male enviroment....i go to pubs 3 days a week.....i go the football....im a lad's lad.....i get on with the older lads as well my old man's age 40-50 plus....I got m8's who are well to do from solihull.. and place's and i got m8's from the worst areas going.....and what i can say from my experience....is..show me a SINGLE bloke, who say's he wouldnt have sex with a bird on a one nigher, cuz he didnt like her personality....and i will show you a lier...especially on a swingers website...if bloke wer looking 4 birds they like theyd b on a dating website.....im just being honest women....and if you wanna be naive or gullable, carry on....but every1 wants genuine ppl....then when i b genuine and u get shot down 4 it....ha ha carnt win...and also i said single bloke, one a one night stand.....bare that in mind....not bloke in a relationship....not bloke looking 4 regular meets....not blokes looking 4 couples.....SINGLE BLOKES LOOKING 4 A ONE NIGHT STAND is the bloke im talking about....and again just being honest not rude or looking 4 a row.....honest | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha
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Im just being genuine...from my experience....my job is a all male enviroment....i go to pubs 3 days a week.....i go the football....im a lad's lad.....i get on with the older lads as well my old man's age 40-50 plus....I got m8's who are well to do from solihull.. and place's and i got m8's from the worst areas going.....and what i can say from my experience....is..show me a SINGLE bloke, who say's he wouldnt have sex with a bird on a one nigher, cuz he didnt like her personality....and i will show you a lier...especially on a swingers website...if bloke wer looking 4 birds they like theyd b on a dating website.....im just being honest women....and if you wanna be naive or gullable, carry on....but every1 wants genuine ppl....then when i b genuine and u get shot down 4 it....ha ha carnt win...and also i said single bloke, one a one night stand.....bare that in mind....not bloke in a relationship....not bloke looking 4 regular meets....not blokes looking 4 couples.....SINGLE BLOKES LOOKING 4 A ONE NIGHT STAND is the bloke im talking about....and again just being honest not rude or looking 4 a row.....honest"I'm a female that goes to the pub, been going to the footie for 34 years, work in an all-male environment, but wouldn't shag someone I disliked just for the sake of getting my end away. Difference is women think with their brain and NOT their genitals!!!!! | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha
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Im just being genuine...from my experience....my job is a all male enviroment....i go to pubs 3 days a week.....i go the football....im a lad's lad.....i get on with the older lads as well my old man's age 40-50 plus....I got m8's who are well to do from solihull.. and place's and i got m8's from the worst areas going.....and what i can say from my experience....is..show me a SINGLE bloke, who say's he wouldnt have sex with a bird on a one nigher, cuz he didnt like her personality....and i will show you a lier...especially on a swingers website...if bloke wer looking 4 birds they like theyd b on a dating website.....im just being honest women....and if you wanna be naive or gullable, carry on....but every1 wants genuine ppl....then when i b genuine and u get shot down 4 it....ha ha carnt win...and also i said single bloke, one a one night stand.....bare that in mind....not bloke in a relationship....not bloke looking 4 regular meets....not blokes looking 4 couples.....SINGLE BLOKES LOOKING 4 A ONE NIGHT STAND is the bloke im talking about....and again just being honest not rude or looking 4 a row.....honest
I'm a female that goes to the pub, been going to the footie for 34 years, work in an all-male environment, but wouldn't shag someone I disliked just for the sake of getting my end away.
Difference is women think with their brain and NOT their genitals!!!!!"i completey agree with you....im not saying that enviroment makes you like that....im saying because of that enviromenti talk 2 a lot of different blokes... | |||
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"Simoncook. Thank you for being brutally honest. It confirms exactly what I thought about many single men. " lol your very intuative then....i ent being horrible...i wudnt date any1 i dnt like....i wudnt meet regulary with sum1 i dnt like....i wudnt meet with a couple i dnt like.....but if it was a one night stand what difference does it make?....your never gonna see them again | |||
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"Simoncook. Thank you for being brutally honest. It confirms exactly what I thought about many single men. " Yeah, but Laine.. He is being honest and I doubt that you will get many other as candid! To everyone... As the male of the species, I can tell you that when you are single and want sex it can be any port in a storm! I will qualify that.. I do accept that there are exceptions to the rule, but in the main, ask a bunch of guys down the pub if they have ever shagged a minger....  If it is all mates together, at least one will admit to it! Also, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, their idea of a minger may be different to anyone elses. That said, after a drink or two, on go the beer goggles (and they do exist!) and out comes the knob!
As I said before, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I have seen profiles of women that have massive validation lists, that must have just amazing personalities!
Why guys who perhaps are not the best looking haven't got lists like that I can only guess... Perhaps it is because women are more fussy and way more choosey!  (which would kinda prove my point!) | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha
I hope your prospective meets do their homework!!!
Im just being genuine...from my experience....my job is a all male enviroment....i go to pubs 3 days a week.....i go the ....im a lad's lad.....i get on with the older lads as well my old man's age 40-50 plus....I got m8's who are well to do from solihull.. and place's and i got m8's from the worst areas going.....and what i can say from my experience....is..show me a SINGLE bloke, who say's he wouldnt have sex with a bird on a one nigher, cuz he didnt like her personality....and i will show you a lier...especially on a swingers website...if bloke wer looking 4 birds they like theyd b on a dating website.....im just being honest women....and if you wanna be naive or gullable, carry on....but every1 wants genuine ppl....then when i b genuine and u get shot down 4 it....ha ha carnt win...and also i said single bloke, one a one night stand.....bare that in mind....not bloke in a relationship....not bloke looking 4 regular meets....not blokes looking 4 couples.....SINGLE BLOKES LOOKING 4 A ONE NIGHT STAND is the bloke im talking about....and again just being honest not rude or looking 4 a row.....honest
I'm a female that goes to the pub, been going to the footie for 34 years, work in an all-male environment, but wouldn't shag someone I disliked just for the sake of getting my end away.
Difference is women think with their brain and NOT their genitals!!!!!"Sorry fumna but bollox... 
women can be just as up for a meaningless fuck as a man, my pussy does all the thinking upon occasion!
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"also i know 4 a fact women shag blokes they dnt like as well.....cuz im a total dickhead, and i've shagged more birds then my look's justify ha ha .....i think some women love it when a bloke is a bit of a knob head, cuz it ent being a knob head, its being open and saying stuff that loads of blokes r thinking, just ent stupid enuff to say it and absolutly abbliterate there chances of getting the ride.....i shud lern. ha ha "Big difference between being a knob head and being honest.The 2 men in my life rate honesty above all else...neither is a knob head! | |||
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"also i know 4 a fact women shag blokes they dnt like as well.....cuz im a total dickhead, and i've shagged more birds then my look's justify ha ha .....i think some women love it when a bloke is a bit of a knob head, cuz it ent being a knob head, its being open and saying stuff that loads of blokes r thinking, just ent stupid enuff to say it and absolutly abbliterate there chances of getting the ride.....i shud lern. ha ha "Maybe the women you know shag guys they don't like....but I wouldn't think amongst the vast majority of women it's at all common. I could NEVER shag a man I didn't like. | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha
I hope your prospective meets do their homework!!!
Im just being genuine...from my experience....my job is a all male enviroment....i go to pubs 3 days a week.....i go the ....im a lad's lad.....i get on with the older lads as well my old man's age 40-50 plus....I got m8's who are well to do from solihull.. and place's and i got m8's from the worst areas going.....and what i can say from my experience....is..show me a SINGLE bloke, who say's he wouldnt have sex with a bird on a one nigher, cuz he didnt like her personality....and i will show you a lier...especially on a swingers website...if bloke wer looking 4 birds they like theyd b on a dating website.....im just being honest women....and if you wanna be naive or gullable, carry on....but every1 wants genuine ppl....then when i b genuine and u get shot down 4 it....ha ha carnt win...and also i said single bloke, one a one night stand.....bare that in mind....not bloke in a relationship....not bloke looking 4 regular meets....not blokes looking 4 couples.....SINGLE BLOKES LOOKING 4 A ONE NIGHT STAND is the bloke im talking about....and again just being honest not rude or looking 4 a row.....honest
I'm a female that goes to the pub, been going to the footie for 34 years, work in an all-male environment, but wouldn't shag someone I disliked just for the sake of getting my end away.
Difference is women think with their brain and NOT their genitals!!!!!
Sorry fumna but bollox...
women can be just as up for a meaningless fuck as a man, my pussy does all the thinking upon occasion!
Women are just told that wanting a fuck is wrong,there must be a "connection"."will agree to disagree with you Jem. I was speaking from my experience in that I personally couldn't shag someone I disliked. I maybe should have rephrased the final line to say "some women" xx | |||
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"also i know 4 a fact women shag blokes they dnt like as well.....cuz im a total dickhead, and i've shagged more birds then my look's justify ha ha .....i think some women love it when a bloke is a bit of a knob head, cuz it ent being a knob head, its being open and saying stuff that loads of blokes r thinking, just ent stupid enuff to say it and absolutly abbliterate there chances of getting the ride.....i shud lern. ha ha
Big difference between being a knob head and being honest.The 2 men in my life rate honesty above all else...neither is a knob head! "ye thats what i say.... "i think some women love it when a bloke is a bit of a knob head, cuz it ent being a knob head, its being open and saying stuff that loads of blokes r thinking" in other words being honest | |||
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"ye i gotta be honest...as a single bloke...i cudnt giv a fuck if the women was the most annoying idiot i've ever met in my life.....it would just make me beat her pussy up harder....obviously if i was looking 4 a gf, and wanted 2 make love it wud b diff.....but if it's just 4 sex....i think id enjoy it more if i didnt like her ha ha
I hope your prospective meets do their homework!!!
Im just being genuine...from my experience....my job is a all male enviroment....i go to pubs 3 days a week.....i go the ....im a lad's lad.....i get on with the older lads as well my old man's age 40-50 plus....I got m8's who are well to do from solihull.. and place's and i got m8's from the worst areas going.....and what i can say from my experience....is..show me a SINGLE bloke, who say's he wouldnt have sex with a bird on a one nigher, cuz he didnt like her personality....and i will show you a lier...especially on a swingers website...if bloke wer looking 4 birds they like theyd b on a dating website.....im just being honest women....and if you wanna be naive or gullable, carry on....but every1 wants genuine ppl....then when i b genuine and u get shot down 4 it....ha ha carnt win...and also i said single bloke, one a one night stand.....bare that in mind....not bloke in a relationship....not bloke looking 4 regular meets....not blokes looking 4 couples.....SINGLE BLOKES LOOKING 4 A ONE NIGHT STAND is the bloke im talking about....and again just being honest not rude or looking 4 a row.....honest
I'm a female that goes to the pub, been going to the footie for 34 years, work in an all-male environment, but wouldn't shag someone I disliked just for the sake of getting my end away.
Difference is women think with their brain and NOT their genitals!!!!!
Sorry fumna but bollox...
women can be just as up for a meaningless fuck as a man, my pussy does all the thinking upon occasion!
Women are just told that wanting a fuck is wrong,there must be a "connection".
will agree to disagree with you Jem. I was speaking from my experience in that I personally couldn't shag someone I disliked. I maybe should have rephrased the final line to say "some women" xx"i dont think i cud fuck someone i disliked either, but i still think with my pussy | |||
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"that's cos ye've nae brain Jem xx"Well u know i'm a geordie...scots with their heads stoved in | |||
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"that's cos ye've nae brain Jem xx
Well u know i'm a geordie...scots with their heads stoved in "exactly honey, which is why I still have the brains, lmao xxxxx | |||
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"that's cos ye've nae brain Jem xx
Well u know i'm a geordie...scots with their heads stoved in
exactly honey, which is why I still have the brains, lmao xxxxx "True but i do know what a piece of fruit is | |||
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"In a poll of American men (I have no idea hoe big the sample was, so it is probably tosh.) over half of the men surveyed said that they had had sex with a women they disliked. Would you have sex with someone you dislike? "have they been asked after they spilt up with the ex's.....
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"Hell everyone knows that some guys will stick their cock in anything as long as its warm n wet, unless they are into necrophilia "necrophilia,they always swallow. | |||
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"Hell everyone knows that some guys will stick their cock in anything as long as its warm n wet, unless they are into necrophilia
necrophilia,they always swallow. "is that before or after they excrete faecal matter? | |||
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"Hell everyone knows that some guys will stick their cock in anything as long as its warm n wet, unless they are into necrophilia
necrophilia,they always swallow. is that before or after they excrete faecal matter? "any extra lubrication,is always a bonus. | |||
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"Simoncook. Thank you for being brutally honest. It confirms exactly what I thought about many single men. " Couldn't agree more. For the ladies on site with low self esteem that post highlighting that fact: this is the type of man I refer to when I say some men are like sharks circling after smelling blood in the water! Simon's naivety in thinking being brutal will endear him is down to his age. The older, "wiser" men will be more subtle and hide their feelings! | |||
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" I could NEVER shag a man I didn't like. Neither could I!" Damn...!!!  ;-) | |||
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"Simoncook. Thank you for being brutally honest. It confirms exactly what I thought about many single men. Couldn't agree more. For the ladies on site with low self esteem that post highlighting that fact: this is the type of man I refer to when I say some men are like sharks circling after smelling blood in the water! Simon's naivety in thinking being brutal will endear him is down to his age. The older, "wiser" men will be more subtle and hide their feelings!" it's a womans naivaty 2 think a single bloke is after anything else other then sex, on a 1 night stand....regardless of age...like i said...bloke looking 4 couples regular meet's different.....but just 1 night stand then 99% of blokes would shag anything, regarless of personallity, if they say different then i would stuggle 2 belive it, and if the bird was a complete idiot it just makes the tale funnier 2 tell the lad's down the boozer the next day.....haha....im quite aware this is doing anything other then endearing me 2wards people....it just makes me laugh when ppl take the bate and bite ha ha | |||
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"Simon, I have nothing but respect for your candid honesty, it's refreshing. A simple question for you, when you are 'prospecting' either on Fab or out in the 'real' world, do you start with a goal or standard of women you hope to have sex with, is your hope or ideal at the 'setting off out stage' that the nights conquest will be attractive physically and mentally? If so would the experience of a one night stand with your 'ideal' be better in any way than your 'compromise'." yes absolutley.....if i meet a girl who i connect with mentally, we have things in common.....same music, go there same bar's...etc....then i would obviously prefer it....infact id propbably be really nice, and a gentleman, i would infact be hoping she doesnt sleep with me on the first date, and that we might date again.....or if we do sleep 2gether keep in touch and become freinds......im just saying if i never met a bird like that on a night out, and i just spoke 2 sum idiot who was, "not my cup of tea" but i was sexually attracted 2 her, im not gonna turn down sex beacause i dnt like her personality.....it's a one night stand, y wud I.... | |||
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"I too admire the guys honestly, however, I think he has completely failed to grasp the concept of swinging. I have had sex with men I've been too d*unk to coherently understand any more then 2 words out of 10 they've spoken. I didn't dislike them. I just didn't know them, huge difference. Since I started swinging, I've been turned down by a few men who do understand the concept of swinging, because they have started talking to me, and have realised I am not for them personality wise. Swinging is not about banging everything in sight before you settle down with the woman of your dreams, who thinks the sun shines out of your arse. Its about mutual respect, as well as sex, something Simon seems to have little of. " no i do...i would prefer 2 like them....i just anserd the question that was asked by the OP......y im getting so shot down i dnt know.....i would obviously pfrefer 2 get on with sum1, and have a laugh, and i would show respect even if i didnt like them.....i wouldnt b rude.....im just saying i wudnt not have sex on a one night stand cuz the bird was a bit of a plonka.....my lordy lord people on here need 2 lighten up | |||
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"i am not sure what I want to say so bear with me.... i think i want to say, is the same that we say to people when they complain about young guys, or old guys, or asian guys ect ect ect... which is labels, labels labels.... and that everyone shouldn't be judged because the happen to fit a certain stereotype.... so in respect.. the only person simon can truely speak for... is simon.... as honest as that is i know that simon isn't speaking for me in any way,shape or form.... he may have a lot of people who may nod their heads.... but i know he isn't speaking for me.. and i find a lot of the generalisations abhorant and distasteful...." i never genralised....i said clearly bout 3-4 times...in my experience...from my football teams....from my job....from the pub's i go in....that ok mayb just 95% of blokes would....from what ive herd.....slepp with sum1 on a one night stand they dnt like....i never generalised....i find ur misiterpration abhorant and distasteful | |||
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" yes absolutley.....if i meet a girl who i connect with mentally, we have things in common.....same music, go there same bar's...etc....then i would obviously prefer it....infact id propbably be really nice, and a gentleman, i would infact be hoping she doesnt sleep with me on the first date, and that we might date again.....or if we do sleep 2gether keep in touch and become freinds......im just saying if i never met a bird like that on a night out, and i just spoke 2 sum idiot who was, "not my cup of tea" but i was sexually attracted 2 her, im not gonna turn down sex beacause i dnt like her personality.....it's a one night stand, y wud I...." ".then i would obviously prefer it....infact id propbably be really nice" I agree with you. When anyone achieves a 'goal' and hits the standard they set themselves it is always better than under achieving. The satisfaction and fulfilment from achieving is always better in some way than under achieving. Don't get me wrong, an under achievement or compromise can still be ok, but when you know what it's really like to hit your goal it's a very poor second place in the fulfilment stakes. In fact for many it becomes 'unfulfilling'. If you rarely achieve in life, you will usually be ok with accepting compromise. If you know the sweet taste of achievement then every compromise on your goal or standards become less ok, less good and eventually bad. So what has this got to do with nsa sex? It is my opinion that EVERY time you compromise your standards in the attraction stakes it is down to YOUR under achievement. YOU have failed to 'pull' what you set out to pull and because of your inability, you choose to put up with 'unfulfilling' sex. You can kid yourself into believing it's better than nothing and it's only sex, for those used to compromising that's possibly true, but for those who aspire to fulfilment, it's like preparing all week and getting all dressed up to go eat at a silver service top 5 star restaurant, missing out on the night and then settling for a greasy donner kebab on the way home. You can say your not disappointed, it's all just food at the end of the day. But some of us choose not to bother with the donner kebab. Chances are your only gonna feel guilty and unfulfilled after eating it! I can completely understand where your coming from Simon, and your so right in much of what you say, but your wrong to suggest we all (or even 99% of us) think and act only in the way you describe. | |||
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"I too admire the guys honestly, however, I think he has completely failed to grasp the concept of swinging. I have had sex with men I've been too d*unk to coherently understand any more then 2 words out of 10 they've spoken. I didn't dislike them. I just didn't know them, huge difference. Since I started swinging, I've been turned down by a few men who do understand the concept of swinging, because they have started talking to me, and have realised I am not for them personality wise. Swinging is not about banging everything in sight before you settle down with the woman of your dreams, who thinks the sun shines out of your arse. Its about mutual respect, as well as sex, something Simon seems to have little of. " I don't think he's failed to grasp the concept of swinging at all. In fact he probably has a much better understanding of why some men are on here and what they want from swinging. Your view of swinging is not universal. I think Simon has hit a chord because in some respects what he's saying is very true. | |||
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"I too admire the guys honestly, however, I think he has completely failed to grasp the concept of swinging. I have had sex with men I've been too d*unk to coherently understand any more then 2 words out of 10 they've spoken. I didn't dislike them. I just didn't know them, huge difference. Since I started swinging, I've been turned down by a few men who do understand the concept of swinging, because they have started talking to me, and have realised I am not for them personality wise. Swinging is not about banging everything in sight before you settle down with the woman of your dreams, who thinks the sun shines out of your arse. Its about mutual respect, as well as sex, something Simon seems to have little of. I don't think he's failed to grasp the concept of swinging at all. In fact he probably has a much better understanding of why some men are on here and what they want from swinging. Your view of swinging is not universal. I think Simon has hit a chord because in some respects what he's saying is very true. " ye m8 i agree with everything you said....its v true....comprimise ent as gd....and i ent sayin i kid myself im fully aware it ent as fullfilling....and i also said in my experience.....but my dear deidre you one clever bloke.....like you analgy....and your right | |||
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" I don't think he's failed to grasp the concept of swinging at all. In fact he probably has a much better understanding of why some men are on here and what they want from swinging. Your view of swinging is not universal. I think Simon has hit a chord because in some respects what he's saying is very true. " Think you will find she actually means the real context of swing and not what some horny one track mind male/female actually views it as People who use swinging sites for these reasons are NOT swingers they are chance rs But i do agree a lot of it goes on unfortunately Only balanced by people who DO really understand the life style and live it not just play with it | |||
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" I don't think he's failed to grasp the concept of swinging at all. In fact he probably has a much better understanding of why some men are on here and what they want from swinging. Your view of swinging is not universal. I think Simon has hit a chord because in some respects what he's saying is very true. Think you will find she actually means the real context of swing and not what some horny one track mind male/female actually views it as People who use swinging sites for these reasons are NOT swingers they are chance rs But i do agree a lot of it goes on unfortunately Only balanced by people who DO really understand the life style and live it not just play with it" ye id say im a chancer.....with a view 2 mayb swinging....as a hobbie not a lifestyle...surely it's about having fun with like minded people...im not a horny 1 track minded male thoe....i got 2 much goin on in my life | |||
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" I don't think he's failed to grasp the concept of swinging at all. In fact he probably has a much better understanding of why some men are on here and what they want from swinging. Your view of swinging is not universal. I think Simon has hit a chord because in some respects what he's saying is very true. Think you will find she actually means the real context of swing and not what some horny one track mind male/female actually views it as People who use swinging sites for these reasons are NOT swingers they are chance rs But i do agree a lot of it goes on unfortunately Only balanced by people who DO really understand the life style and live it not just play with it" Thank you Soapy xxx | |||
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" I don't think he's failed to grasp the concept of swinging at all. In fact he probably has a much better understanding of why some men are on here and what they want from swinging. Your view of swinging is not universal. I think Simon has hit a chord because in some respects what he's saying is very true. Think you will find she actually means the real context of swing and not what some horny one track mind male/female actually views it as People who use swinging sites for these reasons are NOT swingers they are chance rs But i do agree a lot of it goes on unfortunately Only balanced by people who DO really understand the life style and live it not just play with it" I think I understood the point she was making Soaps, I just don't accept that it is a universally held view. | |||
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" I think I understood the point she was making Soaps, I just don't accept that it is a universally held view. " Yes i thought ya might i just didn't know how else ta start the post I do realise what ya saying is true about the universally held view I just find it sad that people think like that about a way of life i fa one have been in a long time Call me old fashioned if ya wants lol xx | |||
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"lmao.....is it really a big deal....u would have 2 b preety naive 2 think that there wasnt single men in it just 4 the sex.....and there probably has been since the very first day swinging was about....every1 knows.....as long as every1's freindly, and polite, whats the big deal...Im not saying i want to dislike people, id much much rather like them.....but i just crnt belive your acting like this is a surprise or a problem....." Why do you have to attack everyone whose views differ from yours?? To me yes the way my lifestyle/ hobby has degraded ta the morals of an ally cat over the years is a big deal and i cant believe you act like you do either | |||
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"lmao.....is it really a big deal....u would have 2 b preety naive 2 think that there wasnt single men in it just 4 the sex.....and there probably has been since the very first day swinging was about....every1 knows.....as long as every1's freindly, and polite, whats the big deal...Im not saying i want to dislike people, id much much rather like them.....but i just crnt belive your acting like this is a surprise or a problem..... Why do you have to attack everyone whose views differ from yours?? To me yes the way my lifestyle/ hobby has degraded ta the morals of an ally cat over the years is a big deal and i cant believe you act like you do either " what are you onabout....stop crying.....i didnt attack any1's view's.....you gave a view....i gave a view.....they wer different....get over it...if anything you attacked my view by calling me 1 track minded horney male...or witever it was u said.....m8 if you crnt take it dnt dish it out.....lmao... | |||
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" yes absolutley.....if i meet a girl who i connect with mentally, we have things in common.....same music, go there same bar's...etc....then i would obviously prefer it....infact id propbably be really nice, and a gentleman, i would infact be hoping she doesnt sleep with me on the first date, and that we might date again.....or if we do sleep 2gether keep in touch and become freinds......im just saying if i never met a bird like that on a night out, and i just spoke 2 sum idiot who was, "not my cup of tea" but i was sexually attracted 2 her, im not gonna turn down sex beacause i dnt like her personality.....it's a one night stand, y wud I.... ".then i would obviously prefer it....infact id propbably be really nice" I agree with you. When anyone achieves a 'goal' and hits the standard they set themselves it is always better than under achieving. The satisfaction and fulfilment from achieving is always better in some way than under achieving. Don't get me wrong, an under achievement or compromise can still be ok, but when you know what it's really like to hit your goal it's a very poor second place in the fulfilment stakes. In fact for many it becomes 'unfulfilling'. If you rarely achieve in life, you will usually be ok with accepting compromise. If you know the sweet taste of achievement then every compromise on your goal or standards become less ok, less good and eventually bad. So what has this got to do with nsa sex? It is my opinion that EVERY time you compromise your standards in the attraction stakes it is down to YOUR under achievement. YOU have failed to 'pull' what you set out to pull and because of your inability, you choose to put up with 'unfulfilling' sex. You can kid yourself into believing it's better than nothing and it's only sex, for those used to compromising that's possibly true, but for those who aspire to fulfilment, it's like preparing all week and getting all dressed up to go eat at a silver service top 5 star restaurant, missing out on the night and then settling for a greasy donner kebab on the way home. You can say your not disappointed, it's all just food at the end of the day. But some of us choose not to bother with the donner kebab. Chances are your only gonna feel guilty and unfulfilled after eating it! I can completely understand where your coming from Simon, and your so right in much of what you say, but your wrong to suggest we all (or even 99% of us) think and act only in the way you describe. " A brilliant post as usual Spice. i don't want to get into the what is swinging argument...i eschew all lifestyles ,i am just me.There is a deeper ponit here though,and i think it is about sexual maturity. Many of us will have done the d*unken one night stand in our youth,male or female, waking up the next morning with a hangover, desperately trying to remember our bed partners name. As we grow,and hopefully ,learn, our attitudes mature.i am here because i love sex, and the best sex occurs between people who are not compromising, not settling,not accepting second best, but making a choice of who they want to fuck,how,where and when The men who i know to be successful on here share that attitude. They could settle for a bunk up with a girl they dont like,but don't.They too are looking for great sex,not just any sex. | |||
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"lmao.....is it really a big deal....u would have 2 b preety naive 2 think that there wasnt single men in it just 4 the sex.....and there probably has been since the very first day swinging was about....every1 knows.....as long as every1's freindly, and polite, whats the big deal...Im not saying i want to dislike people, id much much rather like them.....but i just crnt belive your acting like this is a surprise or a problem..... Why do you have to attack everyone whose views differ from yours?? To me yes the way my lifestyle/ hobby has degraded ta the morals of an ally cat over the years is a big deal and i cant believe you act like you do either what are you onabout....stop crying.....i didnt attack any1's view's.....you gave a view....i gave a view.....they wer different....get over it...if anything you attacked my view by calling me 1 track minded horney male...or witever it was u said.....m8 if you crnt take it dnt dish it out.....lmao..." Enough said i think | |||
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" As we grow,and hopefully ,learn, our attitudes mature.i am here because i love sex, and the best sex occurs between people who are not compromising, not settling,not accepting second best, but making a choice of who they want to fuck,how,where and when The men who i know to be successful on here share that attitude. They could settle for a bunk up with a girl they dont like,but don't.They too are looking for great sex,not just any sex. " couldn't have put that last paragraph any better.... and i think that seperates those people who truely get and understand it from the "oppotunists" who think that because it is a swinging site people will have sex with anyone...... | |||
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"lmao.....is it really a big deal....u would have 2 b preety naive 2 think that there wasnt single men in it just 4 the sex.....and there probably has been since the very first day swinging was about....every1 knows.....as long as every1's freindly, and polite, whats the big deal...Im not saying i want to dislike people, id much much rather like them.....but i just crnt belive your acting like this is a surprise or a problem..... Why do you have to attack everyone whose views differ from yours?? To me yes the way my lifestyle/ hobby has degraded ta the morals of an ally cat over the years is a big deal and i cant believe you act like you do either what are you onabout....stop crying.....i didnt attack any1's view's.....you gave a view....i gave a view.....they wer different....get over it...if anything you attacked my view by calling me 1 track minded horney male...or witever it was u said.....m8 if you crnt take it dnt dish it out.....lmao... Enough said i think" private messaging me, then blocking me. grow up.....i didnt attack any1's view....i stated a fact....there are blokes on here just 4 the sex.....course there is....im one of em.....whats wrong with that....I am on here 2 look 4 NSA sex with women who i dont have to worry about being in my normal day 2 day life.....so what?.....the question was would you have sex if you didnt like sum1.....i rekon most people have done that....and i still would...i wouldnt go out my way 4 it obviously...whats wrong with that.....if she wants sex and i want sex...then we will have sex.... i crnt stand katie price, but i would still shag her cuz she's fit......and thats y im on here my sexual urges.....not my social life....i would never ever ever have a relationship with sum1 i dnt like....and i wudnt hang around with sum1 i dnt like.....i said it's better if you like the person....obviously....and hopefully i will like most people i meet cuz in real life...belive it or not...im quite a nice polite popular person....i dnt just go round causing row's.....your just being 2 touchy....cause i dissagreed with....messaging me, i got a lot 2 learn, lmao m8 im 22 i got time 2 make mistakes and learn.....but at this time in my life any half decent bird i meet, im gonna climb on board....and theres loads more like me.....it's a swinging website 4god sake what did u expect....if you dnt like it...fair enough....i dnt blame ya.....but dnt start flairing up on me cause i dnt think like you | |||
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" A brilliant post as usual Spice. i don't want to get into the what is swinging argument...i eschew all lifestyles ,i am just me.There is a deeper ponit here though,and i think it is about sexual maturity. Many of us will have done the d*unken one night stand in our youth,male or female, waking up the next morning with a hangover, desperately trying to remember our bed partners name. As we grow,and hopefully ,learn, our attitudes mature.i am here because i love sex, and the best sex occurs between people who are not compromising, not settling,not accepting second best, but making a choice of who they want to fuck,how,where and when The men who i know to be successful on here share that attitude. They could settle for a bunk up with a girl they dont like,but don't.They too are looking for great sex,not just any sex. " Thank you Jemima. I think you've summed it up very well. The key phrase is 'sexual maturity'. The thing about any type of maturity is that you don't appreciate it until you've got it. It also is not a god given right, sadly not everyone achieves maturity with age or experience. | |||
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"some people prefer a deep, sensual mature approach, were the mind is stimulated, as well has the body, during sex.....that's great....somtimes I do as well.....some people like 2 go out 2 reflex, dance to spandau ballet, gold, then go home and have a great time just suckin, fuckin, licking, and flicking....it's getting the balance....both can be enjoyed....i started this post lighthearted, but some people like 2 get offended.....they need 2 lighten up, sex is as much about physical enjoyment as it is mental.....i like both at different times.....and i get both from different people....i want spiritual and phscolgical fullfillment, then i want some1 i like, share common intrest's, and can look in there eye's and feel that thing you somtimes get. but when im just horney and i want sex, then i ent being funny but it's more about physical attraction then personality.....and if people ent mature enough 2 accept/admit most people think like that.....then thats fine" The point you've just made is different to having sex with people you do not like though isn't it? Purely physical sex with someone you don't know is different to actually deciding you don't like someone and then having sex with them. | |||
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"In a poll of American men (I have no idea hoe big the sample was, so it is probably tosh.) over half of the men surveyed said that they had had sex with a women they disliked. Would you have sex with someone you dislike? "i did for the last 10 years of my marrage | |||
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"some people prefer a deep, sensual mature approach, were the mind is stimulated, as well has the body, during sex.....that's great....somtimes I do as well.....some people like 2 go out 2 reflex, dance to spandau ballet, gold, then go home and have a great time just suckin, fuckin, licking, and flicking....it's getting the balance....both can be enjoyed....i started this post lighthearted, but some people like 2 get offended.....they need 2 lighten up, sex is as much about physical enjoyment as it is mental.....i like both at different times.....and i get both from different people....i want spiritual and phscolgical fullfillment, then i want some1 i like, share common intrest's, and can look in there eye's and feel that thing you somtimes get. but when im just horney and i want sex, then i ent being funny but it's more about physical attraction then personality.....and if people ent mature enough 2 accept/admit most people think like that.....then thats fine" You are missing my point totally,when i am being done by 7 men in a club do you think i find out their views on the American debt crisis and wether Hegel sent western philosophy down a moral dead end ? Nowhere did i mention personality.i am talking about the choices that lead to great sex. Your attitude sums up why many of us won't meet younger men,wham bam thank you ma'am may be what you want...but it's not for the majority of women on the site. | |||
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"ye id say im a chancer.....with a view 2 mayb swinging....as a hobbie not a lifestyle...surely it's about having fun with like minded people...im not a horny 1 track minded male thoe....i got 2 much goin on in my life" Simon, as you've been honest thus far in how you view casual sex, please answer this question as honestly as you can: When you meet a woman and fall in love, would you share her with other men and swing together? Even if she wanted to? I suspect I know what your answer will be. | |||
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"ye id say im a chancer.....with a view 2 mayb swinging....as a hobbie not a lifestyle...surely it's about having fun with like minded people...im not a horny 1 track minded male thoe....i got 2 much goin on in my life Simon, as you've been honest thus far in how you view casual sex, please answer this question as honestly as you can: When you meet a woman and fall in love, would you share her with other men and swing together? Even if she wanted to? I suspect I know what your answer will be." No i wont, im not having a go at any1....i dnt judge any1 who does....but when I eventually settle down, and i want to get marrid....i personnaly wouldnt want 2 swing.....what anser was u expecting? | |||
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"ye id say im a chancer.....with a view 2 mayb swinging....as a hobbie not a lifestyle...surely it's about having fun with like minded people...im not a horny 1 track minded male thoe....i got 2 much goin on in my life Simon, as you've been honest thus far in how you view casual sex, please answer this question as honestly as you can: When you meet a woman and fall in love, would you share her with other men and swing together? Even if she wanted to? I suspect I know what your answer will be. No i wont, im not having a go at any1....i dnt judge any1 who does....but when I eventually settle down, and i want to get marrid....i personnaly wouldnt want 2 swing.....what anser was u expecting?" and if she wanted to she wudnt be the women id marry............however who knows i might change my mind in the future and do a complete u-turn......thats my honest anser | |||
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"Simon, as you've been honest thus far in how you view casual sex, please answer this question as honestly as you can: When you meet a woman and fall in love, would you share her with other men and swing together? Even if she wanted to? I suspect I know what your answer will be. No i wont, im not having a go at any1....i dnt judge any1 who does....but when I eventually settle down, and i want to get marrid....i personnaly wouldnt want 2 swing.....what anser was u expecting? and if she wanted to she wudnt be the women id marry............however who knows i might change my mind in the future and do a complete u-turn......thats my honest anser" Yes, that's what I thought you'd say. What it tells me however is what you think of my wife. If we invited you over to play you'd come, no doubt about that from what you've said, but if we asked you to bring your own partner so I could have sex with her you wouldn't bring her because you would feel threatened that another man may please your woman better than you. But here's the real rub of it; some men we've played with have had bigger cocks than mine and Siren has enjoyed them, very much so, some guys have had better linguistic skills than me and she's loved the sensations they've given her, but did it make me feel inadequate? Not in the slightest because I have that mental connection with her that others don't even get a glimpse of. Plus it gives me a real kick to watch her being pleasured. It also allows me to find out what else pleases her which we then incorporate into our own lovemaking when we're on our own. And that's the difference between you and me. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong but I think you see this website as a means of filling a gap in your life that you aren't filling elsewhere and while you're young, free & single you see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy some of the women on here. Would I do the same in your position? Absolutely. But I think I'd tailor my language a little better and not refer to the women on here as though they are nothing more than meat in a cattle market. Sometimes it's far better to think it than say it. No offence intended in any aspect of my post, I'm just being as honest with you as you were with me. | |||
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"Simon, as you've been honest thus far in how you view casual sex, please answer this question as honestly as you can: When you meet a woman and fall in love, would you share her with other men and swing together? Even if she wanted to? I suspect I know what your answer will be. No i wont, im not having a go at any1....i dnt judge any1 who does....but when I eventually settle down, and i want to get marrid....i personnaly wouldnt want 2 swing.....what anser was u expecting? and if she wanted to she wudnt be the women id marry............however who knows i might change my mind in the future and do a complete u-turn......thats my honest anser Yes, that's what I thought you'd say. What it tells me however is what you think of my wife. If we invited you over to play you'd come, no doubt about that from what you've said, but if we asked you to bring your own partner so I could have sex with her you wouldn't bring her because you would feel threatened that another man may please your woman better than you. But here's the real rub of it; some men we've played with have had bigger cocks than mine and Siren has enjoyed them, very much so, some guys have had better linguistic skills than me and she's loved the sensations they've given her, but did it make me feel inadequate? Not in the slightest because I have that mental connection with her that others don't even get a glimpse of. Plus it gives me a real kick to watch her being pleasured. It also allows me to find out what else pleases her which we then incorporate into our own lovemaking when we're on our own. And that's the difference between you and me. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong but I think you see this website as a means of filling a gap in your life that you aren't filling elsewhere and while you're young, free & single you see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy some of the women on here. Would I do the same in your position? Absolutely. But I think I'd tailor my language a little better and not refer to the women on here as though they are nothing more than meat in a cattle market. Sometimes it's far better to think it than say it. No offence intended in any aspect of my post, I'm just being as honest with you as you were with me." I was just about to say that! Excellent post | |||
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" But here's the real rub of it; some men we've played with have had bigger cocks than mine and Siren has enjoyed them, very much so, some guys have had better linguistic skills than me and she's loved the sensations they've given her, but did it make me feel inadequate? Not in the slightest because I have that mental connection with her that others don't even get a glimpse of. Plus it gives me a real kick to watch her being pleasured. It also allows me to find out what else pleases her which we then incorporate into our own lovemaking when we're on our own. " Couldnt agree with that bit more xx | |||
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"Simon, as you've been honest thus far in how you view casual sex, please answer this question as honestly as you can: When you meet a woman and fall in love, would you share her with other men and swing together? Even if she wanted to? I suspect I know what your answer will be. No i wont, im not having a go at any1....i dnt judge any1 who does....but when I eventually settle down, and i want to get marrid....i personnaly wouldnt want 2 swing.....what anser was u expecting? and if she wanted to she wudnt be the women id marry............however who knows i might change my mind in the future and do a complete u-turn......thats my honest anser Yes, that's what I thought you'd say. What it tells me however is what you think of my wife. If we invited you over to play you'd come, no doubt about that from what you've said, but if we asked you to bring your own partner so I could have sex with her you wouldn't bring her because you would feel threatened that another man may please your woman better than you. But here's the real rub of it; some men we've played with have had bigger cocks than mine and Siren has enjoyed them, very much so, some guys have had better linguistic skills than me and she's loved the sensations they've given her, but did it make me feel inadequate? Not in the slightest because I have that mental connection with her that others don't even get a glimpse of. Plus it gives me a real kick to watch her being pleasured. It also allows me to find out what else pleases her which we then incorporate into our own lovemaking when we're on our own. And that's the difference between you and me. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong but I think you see this website as a means of filling a gap in your life that you aren't filling elsewhere and while you're young, free & single you see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy some of the women on here. Would I do the same in your position? Absolutely. But I think I'd tailor my language a little better and not refer to the women on here as though they are nothing more than meat in a cattle market. Sometimes it's far better to think it than say it. No offence intended in any aspect of my post, I'm just being as honest with you as you were with me." nar you got it wrong....i wudnt wanna swing with my wife cuz i dnt want this side of my life to have anything to do with my private life....if my auntie or mom or sumthing found out through the grapvine...well i wudnt like it...it doesnt show my judgment on anybody's wife.....i dnt know u from adam.....i dnt think theres anything wrong with swingin....sex is sex 2 me....the only reason i wudnt do it....is if my kids wer at school and sum1 found out.....or my dad's m8's knew i was swinging......there all old school it wud b humiliating 4 him.....i dnt judge fuckin no1 ur out of order 4 saying that.....i am always honest on here and if i did i wud say......i cudnt giv a fuck if sum1 had a bigger cock then me.....lmao....im very confident in the bedroom.....so that ent got fuck all 2 do with it.....saying im judging people...m8 thats is bang out of order.....i wudnt do it my familys 2 big and they wudnt understand.....iwudnt want my kids finding sumthing like that....or my brothers and sisters.....that is y.....not cuz im ashamed but beacause they wudnt get it.....y did u say that.....fucking ridiculas.... | |||
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" But here's the real rub of it; some men we've played with have had bigger cocks than mine and Siren has enjoyed them, very much so, some guys have had better linguistic skills than me and she's loved the sensations they've given her, but did it make me feel inadequate? Not in the slightest because I have that mental connection with her that others don't even get a glimpse of. Plus it gives me a real kick to watch her being pleasured. It also allows me to find out what else pleases her which we then incorporate into our own lovemaking when we're on our own. Couldnt agree with that bit more xx "the mental connection is far more important that the physical connection why does my other half put up with me being bi and sleeping about with other guys ? she is an attractive, financially independent businesswoman with a fantastic sense of humour and moreovert has that 'human' touch that makes people fall for her in minutes so she doesnt need to be with me. it's not coz i'm a fantastic shag, it's not coz i am fantastically rich or because i am intellectually stimulating it's because we have a meeting of minds (with the exception of this afternoon lol) and there is something deeper between us that is intangible but readily apparent to us and those who know us | |||
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"The film Coyote Ugly comes to mind. How many of us have woke up and thought about gnawing our arm off for whatever reason? " My favourite saying from the film too - and when I was in my late teens early 20's felt like doing it a few times but because on fab now and a bit wiser (be it age or just experience)I usually go for those i DO feel attracted to - even if it just for a one off | |||
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"So you wouldn't want you family/friends to discover you're on a swinging site having sex with other men's wives in front of them... yet your username makes you very easy to find and anyone who knows you well enough would identify you from your photos. Do you think they'd think more of less of you than if they discovered you swinging as a single or swinging as a couple? Your argument doesn't stack up." do you think thats my real name....i mean come on that is stupid 2 think that....and the photos is a risk im taking mayb i shud change them then | |||
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"simon, don't look at a difference of opinion as a negative. i would take wishy's comments constructively and build on them rather than thinking he is 'getting at you' if you want to 'develop' in the swinging community then i would take his comments on board sometimes you have to let the barriers down because i honestly don't believe that his comments were malicious reacting defensively and a little aggressively will only serve to get you on even more 'block lists' or worse, justify yet another young man / single man bashing session which quite frankly i can't take any more of "ye but how wud u take it if he said....."no but it does show me how you view my mife and judge other women" when infact i never said anything like that he has just delibrlatly manipulated me in2 saying sumthing so he cud say that.....also people dnt take my opinions....i took every1 elses's and agreed with them.....they just love writing my opinion off as just a young man who needs 2 mature.....when i am mature im just not mature all the time ha ha bring on the block list's cuz all the ones who have blocked me so far i cudnt giv a fuck | |||
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"simon, don't look at a difference of opinion as a negative. i would take wishy's comments constructively and build on them rather than thinking he is 'getting at you' if you want to 'develop' in the swinging community then i would take his comments on board sometimes you have to let the barriers down because i honestly don't believe that his comments were malicious reacting defensively and a little aggressively will only serve to get you on even more 'block lists' or worse, justify yet another young man / single man bashing session which quite frankly i can't take any more of
ye but how wud u take it if he said....."no but it does show me how you view my mife and judge other women"
when infact i never said anything like that he has just delibrlatly manipulated me in2 saying sumthing so he cud say that.....also people dnt take my opinions....i took every1 elses's and agreed with them.....they just love writing my opinion off as just a young man who needs 2 mature.....when i am mature im just not mature all the time ha ha bring on the block list's cuz all the ones who have blocked me so far i cudnt giv a fuck"wishy is the only one who can explain his comments to you, but i believe he wasn't being malicious - just asking you consider what you had said and look at the wider picture. as for the rest of your posting, you really aren't helping yourself fella | |||
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"simon, don't look at a difference of opinion as a negative. i would take wishy's comments constructively and build on them rather than thinking he is 'getting at you' if you want to 'develop' in the swinging community then i would take his comments on board sometimes you have to let the barriers down because i honestly don't believe that his comments were malicious reacting defensively and a little aggressively will only serve to get you on even more 'block lists' or worse, justify yet another young man / single man bashing session which quite frankly i can't take any more of
ye but how wud u take it if he said....."no but it does show me how you view my mife and judge other women"
when infact i never said anything like that he has just delibrlatly manipulated me in2 saying sumthing so he cud say that.....also people dnt take my opinions....i took every1 elses's and agreed with them.....they just love writing my opinion off as just a young man who needs 2 mature.....when i am mature im just not mature all the time ha ha bring on the block list's cuz all the ones who have blocked me so far i cudnt giv a fuck
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" as for the rest of your posting, you really aren't helping yourself fella
ye i know but the kinda people i wanna impress ent people like this anyway.....so if i ent impressing these...gd....im happy with that"but in representing yourself in such a way in a public forum, you run the risk of alienating those who you do wish to attract so bite ur lip (or typing finger) and give your responses some forethought | |||
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" But here's the real rub of it; some men we've played with have had bigger cocks than mine and Siren has enjoyed them, very much so, some guys have had better linguistic skills than me and she's loved the sensations they've given her, but did it make me feel inadequate? Not in the slightest because I have that mental connection with her that others don't even get a glimpse of. Plus it gives me a real kick to watch her being pleasured. It also allows me to find out what else pleases her which we then incorporate into our own lovemaking when we're on our own. Couldnt agree with that bit more xx
the mental connection is far more important that the physical connection
why does my other half put up with me being bi and sleeping about with other guys ?
she is an attractive, financially independent businesswoman with a fantastic sense of humour and moreovert has that 'human' touch that makes people fall for her in minutes so she doesnt need to be with me.
it's not coz i'm a fantastic shag, it's not coz i am fantastically rich or because i am intellectually stimulating
it's because we have a meeting of minds (with the exception of this afternoon lol) and there is something deeper between us that is intangible but readily apparent to us and those who know us"i notice Simon ignored my point...i think wanton confident women just don't compute
Anyway i just wanted to agree with the above, for many years kev and i had a same sex dont count rule.It affected our relationship not one jot.
Wht does kev allow me to have an intense D/s relationship ?Because our connection is for life,deep and total.
The fact Simon considers the women on here good enough for him,but any women he is with too good to swing (and yes i read his excuses,)suggests so much about maturity that i am gobsmacked this argument is still continuing | |||
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" as for the rest of your posting, you really aren't helping yourself fella
ye i know but the kinda people i wanna impress ent people like this anyway.....so if i ent impressing these...gd....im happy with that
but in representing yourself in such a way in a public forum, you run the risk of alienating those who you do wish to attract
so bite ur lip (or typing finger) and give your responses some forethought
"ye i know what your sayin, and i know you r absolutley correct i crnt help it....but im just spouting the truth....and i did take there opinions better then they took mine....untill sum1 crossed the line...also 2 the bloke above.....if i had a girlfreind i would show her respect sicerity shoulder 2 cry on, lend and ear 4 lisening, and be the perfect gent, who will look after provide and be a best freind 2 the girl......however i wernt talking bout a girlfreind i was talking bout a 1 night stand.....and if i was shaggin sum1 elses's wife....which i would gladly....then i would be absolutley polite and respectull of course i would thats basic behaviour.....not at any point have i suggested anything else....and i would be the sole of discretion....and blokes do tell there mate about there conquest's....women tell there m8s 2....if you dont then u need 2 get sum propper m8s who u trust...and if they dnt know the women wots the problem...i just mearly stated as a single man i would shag a bird i didnt like if she was good looking......ha ha and i stand by that | |||
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Yes, you're right, that was what I was trying to convey. Referring to 'beating up some pussy' and 'climbing on' is akin to saying to the girls on here that they deserve to be treated as nothing more than a piece of meat.
The other point I was trying to make by asking if he'd let his own woman swing was that it is insulting to the couples on here that he'd play with them but not let them play with his woman - the message that is sending is 'I have no respect for you or your woman but I have no problem fucking her, but there is no way you are getting near my woman.'
"ye cuz im being honest....im a propper bloke... with testosterone running through my veins.....i like football rugby boxing....i go the pub...and i treat my women like a princess.....but thats how we talk down my way.....thats how the women talk....if they get offended by it...then they need 2 get a thicker skin and except it's lighthearted banter....not said in a horrible disrespecting tone like ur trying 2 make out....but in a freindly flirty way.....and im not disrepecting swinging couples.....its personal choice.....i explained why, and its 2 do with my private life as oppose 2 thinking its wrong....and finally....oh no your really not gonna let me shag your wife....damm im gutted....o well plenty more fish in the sea, im sure ill get over it | |||
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" ...and blokes do tell there mate about there conquest's....women tell there m8s 2....if you dont then u need 2 get sum propper m8s who u trust...and if they dnt know the women wots the problem..." On your first point - some might in order to seemingly glorify themselves amongst others as they scrabble for attention on the d*unken heap of a night out, but certainly this individual does not, nor has done, nor ever will. What Ladies discuss amongst themselves is entirely their own business, and is beyond the scope of this thread entirely. Wolf :L | |||
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"We swing together, I love my wife, I will happily share her with another male individual who will show her courtesy, respect, care and consideration and more importantly sincerity. I find sadly less than one percent of single males on here will even come close on those basic Gentlemanly and humanistic qualities, and even fewer have a thought to any civil upkeep with the husband... which just confirms them as raiding oppurtunists. As for lack of discretion in talking over their 'conquests' in the pub, I am greatly saddened. I was raised a disciplined Gentleman, and as such have always kept my own counsel. Wolf
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" ...and blokes do tell there mate about there conquest's....women tell there m8s 2....if you dont then u need 2 get sum propper m8s who u trust...and if they dnt know the women wots the problem... On your first point - some might in order to seemingly glorify themselves amongst others as they scrabble for attention on the d*unken heap of a night out, but certainly this individual does not, nor has done, nor ever will. What Ladies discuss amongst themselves is entirely their own business, and is beyond the scope of this thread entirely. Wolf :L" Shoes...and kids | |||
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" ...and blokes do tell there mate about there conquest's....women tell there m8s 2....if you dont then u need 2 get sum propper m8s who u trust...and if they dnt know the women wots the problem... On your first point - some might in order to seemingly glorify themselves amongst others as they scrabble for attention on the d*unken heap of a night out, but certainly this individual does not, nor has done, nor ever will. What Ladies discuss amongst themselves is entirely their own business, and is beyond the scope of this thread entirely. Wolf :L" In fairness im surprised that any bloke while growing up or during his formative years hasn't discussed his conquests with his mates. | |||
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"so in con-clusion.....simon is the only person who has gone against the grain, and admited he would shag somebody on a 1 night stand if he didnt like them, but he was sexually attracted to them, he also has stated that he wouldnt share his wife, beacause it would just not be pratical with the size of his family and his community, we have also discoverd that when people dissagree with a young guy on here they only say he is immature and needs 2 grow up, but they carnt argue his point, also everybody is perfect and they all are the most perfect and polite people, who only ever have sex when there is a mental connection, simon is the only 1 who doesnt, we also discoverd the lack of backbone on this forum. it would appear simon is a complete idiot whos opinions dnt count, and every1 will misinterprite what he says, using school playground tatics. the only one who chats any sense is black spice....and he didnt even agree with me....but least what he said made sense and was correct....also the fella tellin me i ent helping myself is a decent bloke 2....and as 4 letting me get on with things my own way....as 4 me allienating people i cudnt giv a fuck, i only wanna shag birds who av got a brain on em an can see the lighthearted banter and realise, fuck me this fella isnt a bullshiter like alot on here....he is actually just saying he wants 2 fuck my brains out and anything else is a bonus....fair enough.....happy swinging kid's "funny i have read the thread and didnt read it like that, but hey ho horses for courses KIDDO | |||
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"so in con-clusion.....simon is the only person who has gone against the grain, and admited he would shag somebody on a 1 night stand if he didnt like them, but he was sexually attracted to them, he also has stated that he wouldnt share his wife, beacause it would just not be pratical with the size of his family and his community, we have also discoverd that when people dissagree with a young guy on here they only say he is immature and needs 2 grow up, but they carnt argue his point, also everybody is perfect and they all are the most perfect and polite people, who only ever have sex when there is a mental connection, simon is the only 1 who doesnt, we also discoverd the lack of backbone on this forum. it would appear simon is a complete idiot whos opinions dnt count, and every1 will misinterprite what he says, using school playground tatics. the only one who chats any sense is black spice....and he didnt even agree with me....but least what he said made sense and was correct....also the fella tellin me i ent helping myself is a decent bloke 2....and as 4 letting me get on with things my own way....as 4 me allienating people i cudnt giv a fuck, i only wanna shag birds who av got a brain on em an can see the lighthearted banter and realise, fuck me this fella isnt a bullshiter like alot on here....he is actually just saying he wants 2 fuck my brains out and anything else is a bonus....fair enough.....happy swinging kid's funny i have read the thread and didnt read it like that, but hey ho horses for courses KIDDO "how did u read it then? | |||
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"One final comment.. "iam spouting the truth" Thats your problem simon,you are of an age where u see things that way...there is a universal truth,and you know it.People who do not share your truth are clearly dishonest. The certainity of youth...amusing in a 6 year old, worrying in a 22 yr old. if you read i say from my experince....from the people i met....working class normall lads who i mix with every day....salt of the earth kinda lads....i wernt aying every1 thought the same....if you read it i agree with other people...they got a problem with my opinion....which from my experience is the truth....i never said any1 was wrong....i just saying im not wrong either...but every1 gets annoyed with it cuz i dn" Your experience does not equal the truth,despite what Bishop Berkeley said. If i cant improve him sexually i can at least try other things | |||
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"One final comment.. "iam spouting the truth" Thats your problem simon,you are of an age where u see things that way...there is a universal truth,and you know it.People who do not share your truth are clearly dishonest. The certainity of youth...amusing in a 6 year old, worrying in a 22 yr old. if you read i say from my experince....from the people i met....working class normall lads who i mix with every day....salt of the earth kinda lads....i wernt aying every1 thought the same....if you read it i agree with other people...they got a problem with my opinion....which from my experience is the truth....i never said any1 was wrong....i just saying im not wrong either...but every1 gets annoyed with it cuz i dn Your experience does not equal the truth,despite what Bishop Berkeley said. If i cant improve him sexually i can at least try other things "ye i didnt say it was the truth.....i said it was the truth from my experience....then when people came with a different version of events i lisend and agreed....people just didnt like mine.... | |||
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"so in con-clusion.....simon is the only person who has gone against the grain, and admited he would shag somebody on a 1 night stand if he didnt like them, but he was sexually attracted to them, he also has stated that he wouldnt share his wife, beacause it would just not be pratical with the size of his family and his community, we have also discoverd that when people dissagree with a young guy on here they only say he is immature and needs 2 grow up, but they carnt argue his point, also everybody is perfect and they all are the most perfect and polite people, who only ever have sex when there is a mental connection, simon is the only 1 who doesnt, we also discoverd the lack of backbone on this forum. it would appear simon is a complete idiot whos opinions dnt count, and every1 will misinterprite what he says, using school playground tatics. the only one who chats any sense is black spice....and he didnt even agree with me....but least what he said made sense and was correct....also the fella tellin me i ent helping myself is a decent bloke 2....and as 4 letting me get on with things my own way....as 4 me allienating people i cudnt giv a fuck, i only wanna shag birds who av got a brain on em an can see the lighthearted banter and realise, fuck me this fella isnt a bullshiter like alot on here....he is actually just saying he wants 2 fuck my brains out and anything else is a bonus....fair enough.....happy swinging kid's funny i have read the thread and didnt read it like that, but hey ho horses for courses KIDDO
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"so in con-clusion.....simon is the only person who has gone against the grain, and admited he would shag somebody on a 1 night stand if he didnt like them, but he was sexually attracted to them, he also has stated that he wouldnt share his wife, beacause it would just not be pratical with the size of his family and his community, we have also discoverd that when people dissagree with a young guy on here they only say he is immature and needs 2 grow up, but they carnt argue his point, also everybody is perfect and they all are the most perfect and polite people, who only ever have sex when there is a mental connection, simon is the only 1 who doesnt, we also discoverd the lack of backbone on this forum. it would appear simon is a complete idiot whos opinions dnt count, and every1 will misinterprite what he says, using school playground tatics. the only one who chats any sense is black spice....and he didnt even agree with me....but least what he said made sense and was correct....also the fella tellin me i ent helping myself is a decent bloke 2....and as 4 letting me get on with things my own way....as 4 me allienating people i cudnt giv a fuck, i only wanna shag birds who av got a brain on em an can see the lighthearted banter and realise, fuck me this fella isnt a bullshiter like alot on here....he is actually just saying he wants 2 fuck my brains out and anything else is a bonus....fair enough.....happy swinging kid's funny i have read the thread and didnt read it like that, but hey ho horses for courses KIDDO
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"so in con-clusion.....simon is the only person who has gone against the grain, and admited he would shag somebody on a 1 night stand if he didnt like them, but he was sexually attracted to them, he also has stated that he wouldnt share his wife, beacause it would just not be pratical with the size of his family and his community, we have also discoverd that when people dissagree with a young guy on here they only say he is immature and needs 2 grow up, but they carnt argue his point, also everybody is perfect and they all are the most perfect and polite people, who only ever have sex when there is a mental connection, simon is the only 1 who doesnt, we also discoverd the lack of backbone on this forum. it would appear simon is a complete idiot whos opinions dnt count, and every1 will misinterprite what he says, using school playground tatics. the only one who chats any sense is black spice....and he didnt even agree with me....but least what he said made sense and was correct....also the fella tellin me i ent helping myself is a decent bloke 2....and as 4 letting me get on with things my own way....as 4 me allienating people i cudnt giv a fuck, i only wanna shag birds who av got a brain on em an can see the lighthearted banter and realise, fuck me this fella isnt a bullshiter like alot on here....he is actually just saying he wants 2 fuck my brains out and anything else is a bonus....fair enough.....happy swinging kid's funny i have read the thread and didnt read it like that, but hey ho horses for courses KIDDO
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"In a poll of American men (I have no idea hoe big the sample was, so it is probably tosh.) over half of the men surveyed said that they had had sex with a women they disliked. Would you have sex with someone you dislike? "Well i wouldn't but i am in the group of men who won't stick their cocks in any wet orifice. There are many others about who will though and if that does it for them who am i to judge. | |||
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"Dunno why, but how this forum 'turned' in general and the thoughts of 1 young man in particular, just made me think of the Dolly Parton song 'just because i'm a woman' extract : Now a man will take a good girl And he'll ruin her reputation But when he wants to marry Well, that's a different situation He'll just walk off and leave her To do the best she can While he looks for an angel To wear his wedding band " does that mean im bad to women untill i marry one.....or im just bad 2 women all the time married or not? haha | |||
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"Dunno why, but how this forum 'turned' in general and the thoughts of 1 young man in particular, just made me think of the Dolly Parton song 'just because i'm a woman' extract : Now a man will take a good girl And he'll ruin her reputation But when he wants to marry Well, that's a different situation He'll just walk off and leave her To do the best she can While he looks for an angel To wear his wedding band does that mean im bad to women untill i marry one.....or im just bad 2 women all the time married or not? haha " No, it means Dolly had shite taste in men | |||
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"Dunno why, but how this forum 'turned' in general and the thoughts of 1 young man in particular, just made me think of the Dolly Parton song 'just because i'm a woman' extract : Now a man will take a good girl And he'll ruin her reputation But when he wants to marry Well, that's a different situation He'll just walk off and leave her To do the best she can While he looks for an angel To wear his wedding band does that mean im bad to women untill i marry one.....or im just bad 2 women all the time married or not? haha " your post came across that while ur single then any holes a goal but when it comes to hey lads hey and it's time to settle down then a 'good girl' is much the preferred option don't take it seriously tho i'm just having some fun with ya
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"Dunno why, but how this forum 'turned' in general and the thoughts of 1 young man in particular, just made me think of the Dolly Parton song 'just because i'm a woman' extract : Now a man will take a good girl And he'll ruin her reputation But when he wants to marry Well, that's a different situation He'll just walk off and leave her To do the best she can While he looks for an angel To wear his wedding band does that mean im bad to women untill i marry one.....or im just bad 2 women all the time married or not? haha No, it means Dolly had shite taste in men " , excellent. that did make me genuinely LOL | |||
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"Dunno why, but how this forum 'turned' in general and the thoughts of 1 young man in particular, just made me think of the Dolly Parton song 'just because i'm a woman' extract : Now a man will take a good girl And he'll ruin her reputation But when he wants to marry Well, that's a different situation He'll just walk off and leave her To do the best she can While he looks for an angel To wear his wedding band does that mean im bad to women untill i marry one.....or im just bad 2 women all the time married or not? haha No, it means Dolly had shite taste in men
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"Dunno why, but how this forum 'turned' in general and the thoughts of 1 young man in particular, just made me think of the Dolly Parton song 'just because i'm a woman' extract : Now a man will take a good girl And he'll ruin her reputation But when he wants to marry Well, that's a different situation He'll just walk off and leave her To do the best she can While he looks for an angel To wear his wedding band does that mean im bad to women untill i marry one.....or im just bad 2 women all the time married or not? haha your post came across that while ur single then any holes a goal but when it comes to hey lads hey and it's time to settle down then a 'good girl' is much the preferred option don't take it seriously tho i'm just having some fun with ya
especially after u were talking about pete doherty being an ace lyricist
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country music isn't to everyones taste but the lyrics are simple yet very cleverly crafted"lmao ye m8..thats preety right...at the mo any hole is a goal...i make no bones....an wen i settle down i settle down...ha ha ...i love the banter....pete is a ace lyracist ....i promise...lol...my mom loves dolly parton......didnt she say "it cost a lot of money to look this cheap" haha i would deffo still jump on board dolly parton.....fit as fuck still...bet she loves it........... | |||
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" You mean to say not all LOLs are genuine? *Femme falls on her ass in genuine amazement* "am sorry to shatter ur illusions so late on at night but sadly not most LOLs are really just 'slightly nervous laughs when either you find something mildly amusing and hopes the message recipient does too' OR the sender of the message says something that you either dont understand or they find funny while u find it just, well, ya know ............' anyhow ur comment did genuinely make me giggle so fank u x | |||
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" You mean to say not all LOLs are genuine? *Femme falls on her ass in genuine amazement*
am sorry to shatter ur illusions so late on at night but sadly not
most LOLs are really just 'slightly nervous laughs when either you find something mildly amusing and hopes the message recipient does too' OR the sender of the message says something that you either dont understand or they find funny while u find it just, well, ya know ............'
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"Ok I am going to try and say this. Some girls are the marrying kind ready to settle down good girls who you would take home to your mum and then there are easy girls like me I put out to early. Question when you went out clubbing/pub (normal) with friends do you go out to have a good time, or do you go out to pull." good time with my m8s 1st and foremost....if i pull its' a bonus....usually if theres a group of lads having a gd time and having a genuine larf...then usually a group of girls will join in 4 the craick and the banter.....gr8 times | |||
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" You mean to say not all LOLs are genuine? *Femme falls on her ass in genuine amazement*
am sorry to shatter ur illusions so late on at night but sadly not
most LOLs are really just 'slightly nervous laughs when either you find something mildly amusing and hopes the message recipient does too' OR the sender of the message says something that you either dont understand or they find funny while u find it just, well, ya know ............'
anyhow ur comment did genuinely make me giggle so fank u x Well i like your posts you brighten up the place , so you are welcome"don't ! you'll have me fillin 'up xxx | |||
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" You mean to say not all LOLs are genuine? *Femme falls on her ass in genuine amazement*
am sorry to shatter ur illusions so late on at night but sadly not
most LOLs are really just 'slightly nervous laughs when either you find something mildly amusing and hopes the message recipient does too' OR the sender of the message says something that you either dont understand or they find funny while u find it just, well, ya know ............'
anyhow ur comment did genuinely make me giggle so fank u x Well i like your posts you brighten up the place , so you are welcome
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"Ok I am going to try and say this. Some girls are the marrying kind ready to settle down good girls who you would take home to your mum and then there are easy girls like me I put out to early. Question when you went out clubbing/pub (normal) with friends do you go out to have a good time, or do you go out to pull." What total rubbish,and to see a woman pulling the whore /madonna split makes me think that the past 40 years had not happened! What is a "good girl".i am a wife,a mother,a sunday school teacher, a slut,a daughter,a carer, a sub, a pta member,a yummy mummy,a wi member,a woman Take me home to mother and she will love me,take me to a club and i will be fucking as they close the doors and beg me to leave. Put yourself in a box created by men to make women feel bad about their sexuality,i destroyed that box years ago. | |||
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"Put yourself in a box created by men to make women feel bad about their sexuality,i destroyed that box years ago." I like that quote, well said.. and good for you. | |||
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"We swing together, I love my wife, I will happily share her with another male individual who will show her courtesy, respect, care and consideration and more importantly sincerity. I find sadly less than one percent of single males on here will even come close on those basic Gentlemanly and humanistic qualities, and even fewer have a thought to any civil upkeep with the husband... which just confirms them as raiding oppurtunists. As for lack of discretion in talking over their 'conquests' in the pub, I am greatly saddened. I was raised a disciplined Gentleman, and as such have always kept my own counsel. Wolf
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"Ok I am going to try and say this. Some girls are the marrying kind ready to settle down good girls who you would take home to your mum and then there are easy girls like me I put out to early. Question when you went out clubbing/pub (normal) with friends do you go out to have a good time, or do you go out to pull." Can you imagine the reaction to this if a guy had posted it.... | |||
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"Wow, that was some thread. Simon....I admire you for your honesty, and I am guessing there are a good few men about on this site that think the same as you but wouldn't dream of putting it on the forums for the reaction they may get. I am also guessing there are a lot of men on these type of sites who think the way you do but play the game to get what they want. Then there are the men who play the game because that is how they are anyway. Swinging for us is using a man for sex and him using us for some MFM fun. It works for us and it is how we want to play. Swinging for what is deemed " real " swingers is a totally different scenario and thinking. As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with either way as long as it is what you want and find others who want the same. " very fair statement i agree | |||
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"see.. this is where we are going to now come up against a "grey" area... define the word "used" in the context of swinging..... if I in anyway thought I was being "used" by any potential people I play with.... I would absolutely walk in the other direction... example of that... used because I just happened to be a black guy.... so maybe I am the exception as opposed to the norm.... however a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, are going to find the way that simon in this context used the word "used" to be demeaning.... again, rightly or wrongly...... hey any piece of meat, any port in a storm, any fish in the sea ect ect ect...... " did I use the word used?....and if I did was I quoting sombody else?...did sum1 else say I was saying used or using?....if I did use it then almost certainly people will read in out of context.....I never said used and ment it as I used sum girl.... | |||
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"see.. this is where we are going to now come up against a "grey" area... define the word "used" in the context of swinging..... if I in anyway thought I was being "used" by any potential people I play with.... I would absolutely walk in the other direction... example of that... used because I just happened to be a black guy.... so maybe I am the exception as opposed to the norm.... however a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, are going to find the way that simon in this context used the word "used" to be demeaning.... again, rightly or wrongly...... hey any piece of meat, any port in a storm, any fish in the sea ect ect ect...... " I would say used as in an agreement between people to get what they want out of the situation, in this case sex. It isn't a "bad " used for me and I am guessing there is a better word to use, but that was the one that came to mind. I used the word used ( not sure if Simon did and I hate deciphering text speak so I am not going to re read it all | |||
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