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Terrible fire in London

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A whole block of flats is on fire. With people trapped.

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just put the news on, looks bad!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Those poor people. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like the fire brigade couldnt reach them. Many burnt alive

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

How the hell does a building go up in flames like that???

It doesn't bare thinking about...

Hopefully most people will get out...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How the hell does a building go up in flames like that???

It doesn't bare thinking about...

Hopefully most people will get out..."

God knows it's horrendous. Reminds me of the 9/11 scenes. X

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By *reakShow90Man
over a year ago

Manchester/halifax

Fuck sake poor buggers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How the hell does a building go up in flames like that???

It doesn't bare thinking about...

Hopefully most people will get out..."

Apparently the owners of the tower had been prosecuted in the past for fire safety negligence , awful tragedy

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How the hell does a building go up in flames like that???

It doesn't bare thinking about...

Hopefully most people will get out...

Apparently the owners of the tower had been prosecuted in the past for fire safety negligence , awful tragedy "

Oh god. It scares me that people smoke in my block of flats although there s only 4 floors here. X

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By *reakShow90Man
over a year ago

Manchester/halifax


"How the hell does a building go up in flames like that???

It doesn't bare thinking about...

Hopefully most people will get out...

Apparently the owners of the tower had been prosecuted in the past for fire safety negligence , awful tragedy

Oh god. It scares me that people smoke in my block of flats although there s only 4 floors here. X"

It happens part of why I dont smoke in.my house

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How the hell does a building go up in flames like that???

It doesn't bare thinking about...

Hopefully most people will get out...

Apparently the owners of the tower had been prosecuted in the past for fire safety negligence , awful tragedy

Oh god. It scares me that people smoke in my block of flats although there s only 4 floors here. X

It happens part of why I dont smoke in.my house

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most of the tenets smoke in this building. Only me n the lady below me who don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A whole block of flats is on fire. With people trapped.

PTU xxx"

Has any more information been released did it get put out is anyone injured.

P. S great profile and pictures.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A whole block of flats is on fire. With people trapped.

PTU xxx

Has any more information been released did it get put out is anyone injured.

P. S great profile and pictures. "
sounds like a number of people got out. Maybe 1 trapped. X

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

My heart goes out to those poor souls who are trapped.

Let's not forget the emergency services crews facing massive personal risk.

Bad times...

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By *reakShow90Man
over a year ago

Manchester/halifax


"My heart goes out to those poor souls who are trapped.

Let's not forget the emergency services crews facing massive personal risk.

Bad times... "

Very good shout hate when people bitch about the nhs and police they do a great job and if anything dont get paid enough for what they do

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

That's councillor knew more then he was willing to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My heart goes out to those poor souls who are trapped.

Let's not forget the emergency services crews facing massive personal risk.

Bad times... "

Exactly Lisa, just heard eye witness account of him rushing to get out and the fire brigade rudhubgvin. Such bravery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dreadful situation

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Does sound like a large number of people got out. Fingers crossed for no fatalities. Xx

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

That looks horrific. Just hope and pray all made it out in time and none of the emergency service people get hurt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the wiki page there is approximately 120 residential apartments in the building....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't even begin to imagine the horror of those poor people. Tragic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh no. What awful news to wake up to. I can even imagine what those poor people are going through

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's a major incident and really bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been looking online reading about this terrible fire. Also hearing eye witness reports which are heart breaking.

Awful news.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Watching the news.

Awful doesn't even come close.

So so sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heart goes out to all in that building, couldn't begin to imagine what they are going through!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A whole block of flats is on fire. With people trapped.

PTU xxx

Has any more information been released did it get put out is anyone injured.

P. S great profile and pictures. sounds like a number of people got out. Maybe 1 trapped. X"
Hopefully that person gets out it looks bad like.

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By *rowleyMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Terrible news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what was said earlier no one above the fourth floor could escape because of the smoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Horrifying. .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fear the news will only get worse ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just had a quick squiz and sounds like an accident waiting to happen unfortunately - other similar buildings in the area as well - absolutely awful news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just awful news. Not far from me... can see the smoke from my garden

Hoping all residents get out ok and all the emergency services boys & girls keep safe too x

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By *nked_kittenWoman
over a year ago

Ankh Morpork


"Just awful news. Not far from me... can see the smoke from my garden

Hoping all residents get out ok and all the emergency services boys & girls keep safe too x"

When I woke up and saw the pictures I thought it was an image from a film first. So bad

I live in flats and I've had this fear before though it's not a big tower block. I had a nightmare about not being able to get my pets out in time

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"I fear the news will only get worse ....

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Sadly, I think you might be right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shocking news!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just awful news. Not far from me... can see the smoke from my garden

Hoping all residents get out ok and all the emergency services boys & girls keep safe too x

When I woke up and saw the pictures I thought it was an image from a film first. So bad

I live in flats and I've had this fear before though it's not a big tower block. I had a nightmare about not being able to get my pets out in time

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This is my biggest fear living in a block of flats

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was there man jumped out of building window like 11 floors up and splattered on the floor but you don't see them putting this on news but I recorded it to expose them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I fear the news will only get worse ....

Sadly, I think you might be right "

I think it's one of those tragic events where the hope of miracles is all we can cling too as the truth unfolds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect we are witnessing the worst mass fatality in living memory. Truly, truly horrific.

The figures of 4-500 people living there and only 30 in hospital combined with the absolute worst possible combination of how quick it took hold, middle of the night amd the reports of no fire alarms is very, very ominous.

So so sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heart breaking

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By *ishandwantCouple
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"I was there man jumped out of building window like 11 floors up and splattered on the floor but you don't see them putting this on news but I recorded it to expose them "

Well done you!

I hope you're proud of your efforts to document the last desperate seconds of some poor bastard who faced a choice of burning to death or hurling themselves from the 11th floor.

The reasons the TV news doesn't show such things are simple. Respect and dignity for the victim. Two words you should learn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there man jumped out of building window like 11 floors up and splattered on the floor but you don't see them putting this on news but I recorded it to expose them "

Sad and disrespectful. I hope you delete it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

That is their job, the fire service do that.

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I was there man jumped out of building window like 11 floors up and splattered on the floor but you don't see them putting this on news but I recorded it to expose them "

There is a reason they wont put it on the news, its called respect for the dead. Imagine being that persons next of kin and watching that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tragity wise it been a good 1st half of the year

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

Because there is a danger that the building will collapse.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

Stuck for words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tragity wise it been a good 1st half of the year "

Yes. Fantastic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some negative and hostile comments seem to be appearing in the thread and would be best reacted too by ignoring them ....

Clumsy and inappropriate comments are disrespectfully shameful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just came up on the BBC app that a number of fatalities confirmed. Thoughts are with these poor souls.

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

bedford

Awful news this day and age sprinklers should be fitted in all buildings , feel sorry for everyone involved ??

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By *hell and jWoman
over a year ago

Worksop

People have died too xx terrible news xx

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

My heart goes out the victims and there families.

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

An awful tragedy. It really is shocking if if it comes out its a result of poor fire safety management.

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple
over a year ago

dukinfield

It's just been confirmed "a number of people have died" shocking news.

My heart goes out to all affected!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am just beyond words, I can't imagine how that must feel to of been trapped. I want to cry

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By *hell and jWoman
over a year ago

Worksop

My heart go out yo all involved x must be awerfull for fire fighters too xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

Yes because idiots will be fiming it on their phones amd people will be getting in the way if the emergency servicesamd putting themselves at risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat

Yes because idiots will be fiming it on their phones amd people will be getting in the way if the emergency servicesamd putting themselves at risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in

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By *abes in the woodWoman
over a year ago

wales

It sad news think take theses tower block down .my daughter lives in towee block it like 20 floor she half way it scare me .but heart goes out to family friends.also emergency services do great job in all this

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

Too many tragedies in such a short space of time, if only my hugs and smiles could take away the pain of those affected xxx RIP xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in "

Do you have any expertise in this ir are you just going to criticise professionals who are trained in major incidents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

terrible. Hope people got out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in "

Do you know anything about fire safety? The only people going in there should be the fire brigade, anyone else is putting theirs and fire personnel in danger. The police are there to stop a tragic situation getting worse.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"I was there man jumped out of building window like 11 floors up and splattered on the floor but you don't see them putting this on news but I recorded it to expose them "

That is disgusting

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in "

You were there? Did you run in? If that's the right course of action and you think other people should run into burning buildings, why didn't you?

You clearly have little to no experience or knowledge in how these situations are dealt with so do the world a favour and shut the fuck up

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

No more words.... Just

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in "

do something decent by deleting the footage you took..

respect you may have gone there like others to try and help but in response to this post as has been stated its the job of the police at such incidents to assist in keeping people away to allow the Brigade to do their job..

on such a job well meaning people would have only gotten in the way and more importantly put themselves at risk..

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By *nked_kittenWoman
over a year ago

Ankh Morpork


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if people had run into the building. The police did the right thing to stop that. They arnt trained for fire fighting and it would have been chaos and terrifying.

I feel sick thinking about it. My dad was a fire fighter and you can not comprehend what they go through dealing with stuff like this.

And to use the word splattered to describe someone who faced death by jumping or death by burning is just disgusting

Everyone who went to help...police, fire brigades and ambulance risked getting hurt last night so just shut the fuck up with your inane and poison filled comments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there man jumped out of building window like 11 floors up and splattered on the floor but you don't see them putting this on news but I recorded it to expose them "
hope your just being inflammatory.. but really have respect. As for the police with crowd control.. they have to. The fire brigade dont want policeman in the building any more than they want members of the public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway, back on point.

It's a tragic thing to be waking up to. We can all but hope that the fatality count isn't as bad as feared.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Horrific

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It awful my heart goes out to all that people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My heart goes out to those poor people

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By *verage JosephMan
over a year ago

Grays & London

Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

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By *elloIntrigueMan
over a year ago

North West UK

Awful, awful story, my thoughts go out to anyone affected.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!"

Now is not the time for politics.

Now is the time to support those families who have lost loved ones.

Now is the time to offer practical support those who have lost their homes and everything in them.

Now is the time to take the advice of the emergency services on the ground there, by staying away, and not gawping.

Now is the time to be thankful for the huge amount of hard work that all of the emergency services are doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!"

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!"
why do things always turn political.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok back to the point please and don't abuse people no matter what the provocation.

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By *verage JosephMan
over a year ago

Grays & London


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted ....."

Yep first appliance was there in 6min. It's not about the 1st appliance it's about the weight of attack. How long before the 2nd 3rd & 4th etc etc.

We've warned the Government of these risks, but they didn't listen!

And trust me I know what I'm talking about here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

Really some ignorant and disrespectful posts

Each of the first responders/ Blue Lights has a role to play, assigned as a clear part of a tactical response in a major incident.

The fact that they were there in less than six minutes of the initial calls is a testament to them.

Let us hope and pray that as many people are as safe and well as can be

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Having only just seen the news, what an awful thing to happen, the footage of it is horrendous. God help those poor people.

Also imagine running into a building like that to try and save lives and then be slagged off for that. What a mad world we live in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now is not the time for competitive outrage,,,,

Now is the time for compassion and respect

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By *verage JosephMan
over a year ago

Grays & London


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?"

Yes this IS policy. As building regs would normally make you safe inside your flat for a minimum of 1hr. But the problem with this fire is it was a rapid growing external fire, and no fire regs with the window etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's heartbreaking listening to the eyewitness accounts. Love and prayers to all involved.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?"

Completely normal. 2 main reasons firstly trying to negotiate stairwells in thick smoke means zero visibility and is near impossible and that's before you consider the effects of smoke inhalation. Amd secondly tower block fires are not uncommon amd are normally easily contained die to the design and safety features of the buidling. The FBU have already said something has gone massively wrong with the building's safety for this to have happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tragity wise it been a good 1st half of the year "

Damn auto correct, meant to say 'tragedy wise, it hasn't been a great 1st half of the year'

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?

Completely normal. 2 main reasons firstly trying to negotiate stairwells in thick smoke means zero visibility and is near impossible and that's before you consider the effects of smoke inhalation. Amd secondly tower block fires are not uncommon amd are normally easily contained due to the design and safety features of the buidling. The FBU have already said something has gone massively wrong with the building's safety for this to have happened "

Sounds like serious flaws in the construction or maintenance. Generally building materials (fire doors, concrete etc) have a fire resistant rating. Theoretically a building could "contain" a fire for a period of time adequate for the fire services to arrive, control the area and get people out.

So sad though for everyone affected.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

for anyone who live in london and have even been to the notting hill carnival will know the area...

you have the westway running thru it.... next stop up on the tube (ladbroke grove) is basically where the carnival route starts.... then it basically ends at latimer road by where the westfield shopping centre is......

have to say i am stunned anyone above half way managed to get out of that.....

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

It seems it's horror after horror at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some saying a faulty fridge caught fire on 4th floor.

People jumping from the building, so many trapped. So upset to hear and absolutely heartbreaking.

Thoughts with all those who have families in the flats and those affected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm still in shock but 100% they made the wrong decision because it was a fire on 1 side of the building only and they were not running in to help only until everyone started pushing there way to try get in to run up and help they started going in

You were there? Did you run in? If that's the right course of action and you think other people should run into burning buildings, why didn't you?

You clearly have little to no experience or knowledge in how these situations are dealt with so do the world a favour and shut the fuck up "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some saying a faulty fridge caught fire on 4th floor.

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Pure speculation, it'll be weeks before the source of the fire is established and if the building collapses I fear it never will be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Terrible footage, looks like it's totally gutted from the fire.

Was it a steel framed building?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?"

its standard practise, the last thing you want in a 'normal' compartment fire in such a building is other's who are usually safe within their own flats to be blocking stairwells and impeding the crews attending..

and no one without breathing apparatus will make any progress and then you have more casualties..

that's the normal practise but anyone who has any experience of such things will tell you straight away that this has been totally unprecedented in the speed and how the fire has spread..

it's 'gone up' the outside and then compromised the flats once the windows have gone..

thoughts are with the survivors and the families of those lost..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Don't abuse people when posting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

Areyiu stupid or just plain old ignorant? Since when wasit a police job to put out fires, they'll have controlling the crowds which includes people like you videoing the horror in their phones, they need to make sure the fire service have easy access and room to do their job, you know, the guys with the breathing apparatus,fire retardant suits and lots of water. A fat lot of good a booby would do running into an inferno. Get real man. And how many people did you rescue by the way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a residents organisation blog from November last year that has surfaced online and raises significant health and safety concerns about the private company appointed by the local council to look after this building. It is very uncomfortable reading and states that they fear a fire and loss of life is the only way authorities will listen to their concerns

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Sad and scary for the poor buggers who have no option than continue to live in high rises.

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

It seems that the block was renovated a couple of years ago at the cost of £10,000,000 and they clad the outside of the building with foam filled panels as I understand it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does sound like a large number of people got out. Fingers crossed for no fatalities. Xx"

Large Muslim population in the building. They say ramadam might have saved many lives as lots were awake due to being able to eat and drink.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat

Areyiu stupid or just plain old ignorant? Since when wasit a police job to put out fires, they'll have controlling the crowds which includes people like you videoing the horror in their phones, they need to make sure the fire service have easy access and room to do their job, you know, the guys with the breathing apparatus,fire retardant suits and lots of water. A fat lot of good a booby would do running into an inferno. Get real man. And how many people did you rescue by the way? "

As above...

Also the police were moving people back because of the danger of the building collapsing, the debris that was fuming, and the danger from smoke and possibly fume inhalation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm back.

Gonna pop the news back on. It's heartbreaking the whole block looks like it just went up in seconds. Thank goodness people did get out.

Xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ok back to the point please and don't abuse people no matter what the provocation."

I dunno I leave em all for five mins. xxx

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple
over a year ago

dukinfield


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all "

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?

Yes this IS policy. As building regs would normally make you safe inside your flat for a minimum of 1hr. But the problem with this fire is it was a rapid growing external fire, and no fire regs with the window etc."

I can imagine the sheer speed the block went up and the heat possibly rendered the fire doors next to useless. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!"

Contractors have issued a statement saying no evidence their cladding was connected to how quickly it spread. Draw your own conclusions as to the speed of that denial

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

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I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?

Yes this IS policy. As building regs would normally make you safe inside your flat for a minimum of 1hr. But the problem with this fire is it was a rapid growing external fire, and no fire regs with the window etc.

I can imagine the sheer speed the block went up and the heat possibly rendered the fire doors next to useless. xx"
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Fire doors are there to stop due spreading, they resist fire for upto 1 hour.. Sadly it looks like the fire spread up the outside of the building and then came back in through the windows

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

shame every flat didnt put the plugs in the baths and sinks and flood the place with water.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some saying a faulty fridge caught fire on 4th floor.

Pure speculation, it'll be weeks before the source of the fire is established and if the building collapses I fear it never will be"

Exactly. I'm thinking of the firefighters at the moment with the mammoth task they have on their hands.

Naturally thoughts are also with all those affected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I couldn't watch the news on this, i just couldn't bring myself to watch it. Having watched the 9/11 events and the images of people jumping out of windows i thought it would be the same, and i just can't handle that.

My love and thoughts go out to everyone who has friends and family caught up in this.

The frustration and emotions the emergency services must have felt too....

Be thankful for what you have folks, because you never know when it may be taken away from you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!"

Make me angry private companies turning a virtually fireproof concreat building into a fire trap by cutting corners doing it on the cheep.

My hart goes out to all effected xxx

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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the media don't respect the dead, they barely respect the living (and that's only coz they can sue them). i remember the pic of the guy jumping outta the twin towers was everywhere.

sad news anyway, especially if the landlords really had been prosecuted for breeching safety regulations before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"shame every flat didnt put the plugs in the baths and sinks and flood the place with water......."

It's not the fire that gets you, it's the smoke. Also seems a lot of the fire was on the outside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"shame every flat didnt put the plugs in the baths and sinks and flood the place with water.......

It's not the fire that gets you, it's the smoke. Also seems a lot of the fire was on the outside. "
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Its not really viable anyhow tall buildings are fed water via break tanks that feed floor by floor or say every five floors.

They would empty pretty quickly as the pumps would stop working quickly in a fire on that scale or the pipes would simply burn through being plastic these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They spent 10 million refurbishing the building the cladding was not fireproof so they turned a fireproof concreat building into something that burns

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By *hil39Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

Very, very sad news, and an emotional day

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

A baby has been saved by being thrown out the window. Small mercies.

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By *AA123Couple
over a year ago

Lichfield

I imagine the company that owns Hotpoint tumble driers are a bit nervous at this moment fretting over the possible cause.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I imagine the company that owns Hotpoint tumble driers are a bit nervous at this moment fretting over the possible cause."
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Once you issue a recall your liabilities drop right off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted .....

Yep first appliance was there in 6min. It's not about the 1st appliance it's about the weight of attack. How long before the 2nd 3rd & 4th etc etc.

We've warned the Government of these risks, but they didn't listen!

And trust me I know what I'm talking about here!"

Well said mate. I think we might be in the same profession.

I'm not gonna get into the politics or who did what or didn't, I'm just going to reflect for a while and think of the poor victims and their families. R.I.P

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat "

I am sure the Fireman would have liked nothing more than tripping over passed out Police Officers and bystanders who have followed them in. Thus increasing an already tragic number of deaths and taking much more time to try and get the residents out.

Police are not trained to fight fires and saved many more lives by keeping the crowd back to allow the firefighters to do their job.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

What the hell was the new cladding made from? Newspaper, straw and petrol??? Tower blocks are supposed to contain fires and smoke to the unit they start in. Something when badly wrong here. So tragic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I imagine the company that owns Hotpoint tumble driers are a bit nervous at this moment fretting over the possible cause."

Doubt people would be doing tumble drying at 1am around the time the fire started, tumble dryers are noisy and would probably stop you falling asleep.

I just hope that nobody gets any ideas on new ways to attack us and we see a wave of deliberate fires started everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking the police was more concerned about stopping crowds than helping people from the flat

I am sure the Fireman would have liked nothing more than tripping over passed out Police Officers and bystanders who have followed them in. Thus increasing an already tragic number of deaths and taking much more time to try and get the residents out.

Police are not trained to fight fires and saved many more lives by keeping the crowd back to allow the firefighters to do their job.

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I have heard that as there was debris falling from outside the building the police used riot shields to create a tunnel for the firefighters to gain access.

Just shows how uninformed thst comnent was

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By *urreyfun38Couple
over a year ago

croydon


"shame every flat didnt put the plugs in the baths and sinks and flood the place with water.......

It's not the fire that gets you, it's the smoke. Also seems a lot of the fire was on the outside. .

Its not really viable anyhow tall buildings are fed water via break tanks that feed floor by floor or say every five floors.

They would empty pretty quickly as the pumps would stop working quickly in a fire on that scale or the pipes would simply burn through being plastic these days"

The other problem being that as that small amount of water hits the fire would just turn to steam

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why wasn't there sprinklers in the foyers and stairwells or even in the flats.

When I worked in the welcome break hotel there were sprinklers in each room. You've got to in places where you can't escape easily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!"

Get your story right. The landlord was the local authority. They engaged a management company, who engaged the contractors. Not saying there wasn't cost cutting....but as yet you are just spreading speculation. Not helpful until the facts emerge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wasn't there sprinklers in the foyers and stairwells or even in the flats.

When I worked in the welcome break hotel there were sprinklers in each room. You've got to in places where you can't escape easily.

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Because tower blocks shouldn't need them. The whole point is that the fire stays within a flat, people stay inside theirs until the fire brigade move floor to floor through smoke free stairs and corridors evacuating people.

That's why something went very wrong here, because a) smoke filled the hallways, b) the fire burned up the outside of the building spreading the fire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wasn't there sprinklers in the foyers and stairwells or even in the flats.

When I worked in the welcome break hotel there were sprinklers in each room. You've got to in places where you can't escape easily.

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Because the fire regulations do not state that's have to be fitted to buildings built before a certain date.

All new builds have to have sprinkler systems.

But as always costs vame into it they spent loads on making the building look pretty but not enough on safety.

All high rise should have a tank fed sprinkler system in the comon areas and stairwell to allow escape and independent ones in each residence but cost a lot to do.

Go to one of the high class places and it would have all been installed on e first build

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just have a feeling there's something sinister about how it started.

The guy who apparently lived on the 4th floor in number 16 who said his fridge just exploded and caused a fire.

Do fridges just explode? I've never really heard of an exploding fridge, wouldn't you attempt to try and put it out, assuming the hallways would have some kind of rolled up fire extinguisher or fire blankets and foam extinguishers rather than just leave something on fire in your flat.

I'm just suspicious but all I can think of is someone doing some kind of chemical weapon building or bomb making and it's gone wrong.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!

Get your story right. The landlord was the local authority. They engaged a management company, who engaged the contractors. Not saying there wasn't cost cutting....but as yet you are just spreading speculation. Not helpful until the facts emerge."

Despite cost cutting the materials used would still have had to conform to UK standards, including fire resistance. The contractor who undertook the project are a big, reputable company so it isn't a case of using a cowboy builder.

The criticism of cladding is that it creates a gap between the face of the building which can act like a chimney allowing fire to spread up the floors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!

Get your story right. The landlord was the local authority. They engaged a management company, who engaged the contractors. Not saying there wasn't cost cutting....but as yet you are just spreading speculation. Not helpful until the facts emerge.

Despite cost cutting the materials used would still have had to conform to UK standards, including fire resistance. The contractor who undertook the project are a big, reputable company so it isn't a case of using a cowboy builder.

The criticism of cladding is that it creates a gap between the face of the building which can act like a chimney allowing fire to spread up the floors."

And with windows open the chimney effect has even worse consequences as the fire has multiple entry points

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Rain screen cladding and a curtain wall facade were added to improve thermal insulation and modernise the exterior last year according to news reports. It has also been reported that the fire spread on the exterior of the building and then engulfed the flats. This cladding must have passed building regs but it has to be a factor in the rapid spread of the fire. Time will tell. God bless them all

All done by a private landlord using the cheapest contractors. Let's see how that pans out eh!

Get your story right. The landlord was the local authority. They engaged a management company, who engaged the contractors. Not saying there wasn't cost cutting....but as yet you are just spreading speculation. Not helpful until the facts emerge.

Despite cost cutting the materials used would still have had to conform to UK standards, including fire resistance. The contractor who undertook the project are a big, reputable company so it isn't a case of using a cowboy builder.

The criticism of cladding is that it creates a gap between the face of the building which can act like a chimney allowing fire to spread up the floors.

And with windows open the chimney effect has even worse consequences as the fire has multiple entry points"

The heat of the fire would probably just shatter the glass anyway, although open windows would allow it to spread inside faster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just have a feeling there's something sinister about how it started.

The guy who apparently lived on the 4th floor in number 16 who said his fridge just exploded and caused a fire.

Do fridges just explode? I've never really heard of an exploding fridge, wouldn't you attempt to try and put it out, assuming the hallways would have some kind of rolled up fire extinguisher or fire blankets and foam extinguishers rather than just leave something on fire in your flat.

I'm just suspicious but all I can think of is someone doing some kind of chemical weapon building or bomb making and it's gone wrong.

"

Yes fridges do set on fire and you won't be tackling it with any of the media you have mentioned, as a fire in a domestic property can double in size every 60 seconds, never mind a wind driven fire in a high rise.

I think it's way too early to speculate on the cause of the fire.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

I've had a freezer nearly go up before now. Fortunately the mains trip switch did its job and cut the power before the short created enough heat for anything to full catch fire, it can easily happen.

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By *azza80Woman
over a year ago

Your wildest Dreams


"I've had a freezer nearly go up before now. Fortunately the mains trip switch did its job and cut the power before the short created enough heat for anything to full catch fire, it can easily happen."

My parents house burnt down wen I was a little girl cuz motor on the freezer caught fire x

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter


"Just have a feeling there's something sinister about how it started.

The guy who apparently lived on the 4th floor in number 16 who said his fridge just exploded and caused a fire.

Do fridges just explode? I've never really heard of an exploding fridge, wouldn't you attempt to try and put it out, assuming the hallways would have some kind of rolled up fire extinguisher or fire blankets and foam extinguishers rather than just leave something on fire in your flat.

I'm just suspicious but all I can think of is someone doing some kind of chemical weapon building or bomb making and it's gone wrong.

"

Fridges use electricity and are therefore capable of catching fire, just like any thing else. In fact roughly 8% of fires caused by electrical apparatus are caused by fridges and freezers. Usually in the region of the motor, at the rear of the appliance. Naturally fridges tend to be situated under worktops and therefore a small fire breaking out will be difficult to expose and extinguish in the early stages. Especially as the occupants will be shocked, untrained and fearful.

There have been many white good recalls over recent years, one that I can immediatelly think of was for a company called Beko. They recalled over half a million fridge freezers following a series of fires.

It's worth remembering that a fridge is probably the worst item in your home to catch fire as it is packed full of flammable insulation and gasses, all toxic when involved in fire. And if the fridge has a plastic back it can propogate a fire at an unbelievable rate.

Just search 'Plastic backed fridge freezer vs. metal backed fridge freezer ' for a good video to show the difference.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interview with residents on V Derbyshire.

Apparently there is a "stay put" policy in the building. Could mean many, many residents just stayed put during the fire. Terrible.

.

I've never lived in such a block....wouldn't want to. But is this kind of policy normal....? It makes no sense to my thinking. Must have just added to the tragedy, surely?

Yes this IS policy. As building regs would normally make you safe inside your flat for a minimum of 1hr. But the problem with this fire is it was a rapid growing external fire, and no fire regs with the window etc.

I can imagine the sheer speed the block went up and the heat possibly rendered the fire doors next to useless. xx.

Fire doors are there to stop due spreading, they resist fire for upto 1 hour.. Sadly it looks like the fire spread up the outside of the building and then came back in through the windows"

Yea I've heard bits n bobs thro out the day whilst I've been out. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the tenants action group have posted a raft of previous concerns raised over fire safety,going back some years..all ignored..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the tenants action group have posted a raft of previous concerns raised over fire safety,going back some years..all ignored.."

It's a shame some don't take fire safety seriously. Many don't appreciate the speed at which fire can spread. The London fire brigade were trying to get smoking on the underground banned many years before the King's Cross tragedy Unfortunately, it took the death of 31 people for anything to be done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the tenants action group have posted a raft of previous concerns raised over fire safety,going back some years..all ignored..

It's a shame some don't take fire safety seriously. Many don't appreciate the speed at which fire can spread. The London fire brigade were trying to get smoking on the underground banned many years before the King's Cross tragedy Unfortunately, it took the death of 31 people for anything to be done. "

the cuts to housing budgets have been catastrophic in loads of deprived areas in london..even kensington has them!, and cutting 600 firemen hasn't really helped...deaths from fires have massively increased in central london in the last 5 years..it's shameful!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not good, 12 is dead R.I.P

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By *verage JosephMan
over a year ago

Grays & London


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted .....

Yep first appliance was there in 6min. It's not about the 1st appliance it's about the weight of attack. How long before the 2nd 3rd & 4th etc etc.

We've warned the Government of these risks, but they didn't listen!

And trust me I know what I'm talking about here!

Well said mate. I think we might be in the same profession.

I'm not gonna get into the politics or who did what or didn't, I'm just going to reflect for a while and think of the poor victims and their families. R.I.P"

I'm off sick at the moment, & should have & would have been there. My colleges have just been telling me how bad it is!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Please look up the address to send donations to the families. They have lost absolutely everything. I have been to that block (pre-cladding) and it is heartwarming to see how the community is pulling together.

Listening to some of the experts on the radio today it sounds like the cladding, particularly the thin metal layer and the gap acting as a chimney, turned what should have remained a fire in one room into this awful catastrophe.

RIP to the dead, and thoughts for everyone affected, including the witnesses who won't forget the images they saw.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted .....

Yep first appliance was there in 6min. It's not about the 1st appliance it's about the weight of attack. How long before the 2nd 3rd & 4th etc etc.

We've warned the Government of these risks, but they didn't listen!

And trust me I know what I'm talking about here!

Well said mate. I think we might be in the same profession.

I'm not gonna get into the politics or who did what or didn't, I'm just going to reflect for a while and think of the poor victims and their families. R.I.P

I'm off sick at the moment, & should have & would have been there. My colleges have just been telling me how bad it is!"

a comment i got back from someone was that 'it was fucking naughty' and he's got just under 20 in..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted .....

Yep first appliance was there in 6min. It's not about the 1st appliance it's about the weight of attack. How long before the 2nd 3rd & 4th etc etc.

We've warned the Government of these risks, but they didn't listen!

And trust me I know what I'm talking about here!

Well said mate. I think we might be in the same profession.

I'm not gonna get into the politics or who did what or didn't, I'm just going to reflect for a while and think of the poor victims and their families. R.I.P

I'm off sick at the moment, & should have & would have been there. My colleges have just been telling me how bad it is!"

Looks horrendous. Looks like EDBA in use plus one of the hottest days of the year. Not good.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Absolutely fucking horrible. Heart breaking. Tough watching the news today.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Absolutely fucking horrible. Heart breaking. Tough watching the news today. "

It is awful hearing the list of things that the Action Group identified as risks that were not dealt with.

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By *ondon-guy68Man
over a year ago

London

All the local community have been amazing, and with help coming from all over the country as well lots of places literally full of donations

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By *verage JosephMan
over a year ago

Grays & London


"Boris must be waking up today regretting closing 10 london fire stations.

Expect more things like this in the future as thanks to the Conservatives firefighters have to work till they are 60!

STOP CUTTING THE EMERGENCY SERVICES!

I understand natural frustration but are you aware official reports say the fire brigade were in attendance in number within 6 minutes of being alerted .....

Yep first appliance was there in 6min. It's not about the 1st appliance it's about the weight of attack. How long before the 2nd 3rd & 4th etc etc.

We've warned the Government of these risks, but they didn't listen!

And trust me I know what I'm talking about here!

Well said mate. I think we might be in the same profession.

I'm not gonna get into the politics or who did what or didn't, I'm just going to reflect for a while and think of the poor victims and their families. R.I.P

I'm off sick at the moment, & should have & would have been there. My colleges have just been telling me how bad it is!

Looks horrendous. Looks like EDBA in use plus one of the hottest days of the year. Not good."

Yeah EDBA used. Crews didn't return to station till 5pm and the were suppose to go off duty at 9:30, and had to go back on duty tonight at 8! But allowed to stand down till 12.

Been told lots of people are in the stairwells

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm dreading finding out how many people are dead. It's gonna be a lot more than the 12 already announced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm dreading finding out how many people are dead. It's gonna be a lot more than the 12 already announced. "

They think more than 5 times over. Very sad

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heartbreaking.

And tough for the fire crews who will have had to respond.

I cant imagine what people have gone through.

To lose everything in one night, plus bereavement... How do you move on...

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

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"I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

"

I have to admit, I read a post on here, started to type a typically blunt response and thought there's no point. So I deliberately avoided this thread for a bit because rage.

I think it's truly horrific what happened but the resilience and kindness of people at times is incredible. The Muslim community in particular have struck me with how much they have done to assist and help others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

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I'm finding it difficult to read any news like this or other atrocities happening world wide. I care very much, I just don't write about it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Meli and The Brain (you sound like a new thing), I get the tragedy overload - we've had a lot recently. It just struck me that this is closer to all of us than terrorism - it's homes, neighborhood and council services.

China and Somalia today are, perhaps, the tragedies too far for this forum.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Heartbreaking.

And tough for the fire crews who will have had to respond.

I cant imagine what people have gone through.

To lose everything in one night, plus bereavement... How do you move on..."

The lead fire service person was also talking about the crews' mental health after seeing these they have never experienced before. The work to find and identify people has barely begun.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

"

I rarely if ever post on the threads pertaining to huge tragedies like this or terrorism. It doesn't mean I'm not interested it just means I'm not interested in expressing my shock and sadness publicly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meli and The Brain (you sound like a new thing), I get the tragedy overload - we've had a lot recently. It just struck me that this is closer to all of us than terrorism - it's homes, neighborhood and council services.

China and Somalia today are, perhaps, the tragedies too far for this forum.

"

I rarely write anything when any tragedy strikes. I feel utterly devastated for people who have lost people or endured terror or natural disasters. I'm not one for writing my condolences on here or Facebook; it seems pointless to me. It gets to a point where I can't read them any more. It won't change anything.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I don't know Lickerty, it is quite a big thread. If people don't keep posting it doesn't mean they are not thinking about how horrendous it is.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"I don't know Lickerty, it is quite a big thread. If people don't keep posting it doesn't mean they are not thinking about how horrendous it is."

PS, the action groups blogs make interesting reading, especially the power surges that were blowing up electrical goods in previous years and that were happening in the early hours of the morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

"

I think whem the full death toll starts to become apparent then there will be far more talk.

I find it heartbreaking, the coverage is reducing me to tears on a regular basis. But I find it heartwarming seeing the resilience amd kindness of humanity at it's very best.

But I'm also fucking angry, amd that is why I've stayed away from this thread since yesterday because now is not the time for angry rants about the many, many things that are disturbing about this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want to speculate or to put suspicious thoughts in anyone's mind's....... hopefully cause of this horrendous tragedy will come to light when the investigation is complete.

But it has to be said.. has it not crossed anyone's mind's that this may not have been an accident?

Everyone seems to be blaming the cladding and the materials in the building for the rapid spread of the fire, but would a particular highly flammable liquid excellerant such as petrol do a similar thing?

Get the fire to take a firm hold very quickly in one or two of the flats and then let the cladding etc do the rest?

It may just be me assuming, but with recent, terrible events in Manchester and London, I think that there is more to this than meets the eye.

The chief fire officer on the news yesterday said that in her 29 years service, she has dealt with some extremely bad fires including some in high rise blocks, but she has never seen anything on this scale.

All seems a little suspicious to me?

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman
over a year ago

London


"I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

"

I've lived in a tower block, so the safety issues and death tolls is hitting a raw nerve for me.

I have finally gained the strength to even look at the news on this. Never mind look at this thread.

This is too much for me. Just too too much.

RIP to all those who died.

My heart is full.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that this fire has generated so little interest on here. People get incensed or feel sympathy about other things and threads fill in no time.

There is one story of the teenager who got out. She and her family have lost everything but she still turned up to do her GCSE exam yesterday.

The story of praise for young Muslim men helping people to safety and Muslim Aid getting out the volunteers to feed people, organise the clothes donations and offer up help. The churches opening up their halls and volunteers. The people taking in families so that they have somewhere to sleep.

"
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Meh.. Its just life, people do good things everyday just like they do bad things as well... People just like to point out what's wrong with society more than what's right with it

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