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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Er, it has been for years. In fact ever since it became mandatory to wear one back in 1983.

If a child under the age of 16 is not wearing a seatbelt, the driver of the vehicle will have their license endorsed with 3 penalty points.

Otherwise, any person over the age on 16 not wearing a seatbelt will be subject to a fine.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

No. I'm tired of being told what to do "for my own good". I'm tired of enduring ads on the radio with the sickening sound of a head hitting the road. I wear my seat belt because I want to.

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By *rjpinkMan
over a year ago

winterfell

I got fined about 10 years ago for not having my seatbelt on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Much like drink driving, speeding, using a mobile, driving wwithout insurance etc, etc, it can only ever be enforced if you are caught. And the liklihood of being caught is probably somewhat slim

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

It would be my opinion it should be mandatory for all passengers and optional for the driver

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?""

Yes.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?""

I guess your question leaves a little room for interpretation, given that it could be interpreted as you asking if it is currently enforced or whether or not it should be (regardless of whether or not it currently is).

So, to cover all the bases, Yes, & Yes.

Yes, seatblet law is currently enforced and rightly so.

If the state were to relax enforcement, the law would effectively become meaningless, and you only have to look at statistical evidence to know how many lives have been saved by this law.

Let's also consider that penalties for both Mobile Phone use and speeding have recently been revised and increased, so it is perhaps fair to assume that it is highly unlikely that there will be any relaxation of enforcement with regard to seatbelt law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Much like drink driving, speeding, using a mobile, driving wwithout insurance etc, etc, it can only ever be enforced if you are caught. And the liklihood of being caught is probably somewhat slim"

About the same likelihood as to get killed in a car crash when not strapped.

You decide if it's worth it.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt"

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?""

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond... "

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought it was compulsory to wear a seatbelt if the vehicle had them fitted

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative."

Why not just cross the road without looking?

Why would you wish to compromise your safety and the safety of people in the car with you ?

Of course it's your choice. Bu are you going to refund the NHS the treatment costs for any injuries you have in a car accident just because you wanted a choice ?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative.

Why not just cross the road without looking?

Why would you wish to compromise your safety and the safety of people in the car with you ?

Of course it's your choice. Bu are you going to refund the NHS the treatment costs for any injuries you have in a car accident just because you wanted a choice ? "

I think if you're too stupid to want to wear a seatbelt you deserve all you get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I thought it was compulsory to wear a seatbelt if the vehicle had them fitted "

Yes. I'm talking about the enforcement of that law.....

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?"

Bingo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

What possible reason is there for not enforcing it?

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo! "

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

What possible reason is there for not enforcing it? "

Waste of police time trying to educate thick fucks.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ? "

Nice one..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ? "

I believe the unsaid implication is that if you would wish to leave your seat belt off then you are doing the gene pool a favour by hastening your own removal from it

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ?

Nice one.."

I was asking was this what you wanted ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

What possible reason is there for not enforcing it?

Waste of police time trying to educate thick fucks."

So does that also apply in all instances where crime is committed by people who willingly disregard the law but fail to meet an assessment of intellectual prowess ?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

...

Some people should leave their belts off whilst I ram into their back end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I'm tired of being told what to do "for my own good". I'm tired of enduring ads on the radio with the sickening sound of a head hitting the road. I wear my seat belt because I want to.

"

It's not only for your own good.

If you fly threw the windshield during an accident and hit a child with your body, that's not fair on them...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative."

I think you'll find that most airbag systems will not deploy if the corresponding seatbelt is not in use.

Not all cars will detect if there is a person sat in the seat (pressure senors) and will use the detection of an engaged seatbelt to determine if the seat is occupied.

Also, where airbags are equipped, seatbelt pre-tensioners are also fitted as the seatbelt is pulled tight prior to the airbag being deployed.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative.

I think you'll find that most airbag systems will not deploy if the corresponding seatbelt is not in use.

Not all cars will detect if there is a person sat in the seat (pressure senors) and will use the detection of an engaged seatbelt to determine if the seat is occupied.

Also, where airbags are equipped, seatbelt pre-tensioners are also fitted as the seatbelt is pulled tight prior to the airbag being deployed."

Cool.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

What possible reason is there for not enforcing it?

Waste of police time trying to educate thick fucks.

So does that also apply in all instances where crime is committed by people who willingly disregard the law but fail to meet an assessment of intellectual prowess ? "

Can you think of any examples where the criminal has had to take several lessons, and a test in which the none adherence to the rule at any time would have constituted violation and suspension of the process?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ?

Nice one..

I was asking was this what you wanted ?

"

So *they* remove themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

What possible reason is there for not enforcing it?

Waste of police time trying to educate thick fucks.

So does that also apply in all instances where crime is committed by people who willingly disregard the law but fail to meet an assessment of intellectual prowess ?

Can you think of any examples where the criminal has had to take several lessons, and a test in which the none adherence to the rule at any time would have constituted violation and suspension of the process? "

Yes Clem I can think of many it's really not that hard ......

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes. Also send the nhs bill to people injured while not wearing one.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

what a ridiculous thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No."

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what a ridiculous thread"

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

What possible reason is there for not enforcing it?

Waste of police time trying to educate thick fucks.

So does that also apply in all instances where crime is committed by people who willingly disregard the law but fail to meet an assessment of intellectual prowess ?

Can you think of any examples where the criminal has had to take several lessons, and a test in which the none adherence to the rule at any time would have constituted violation and suspension of the process?

Yes Clem I can think of many it's really not that hard ...... "

Go for it.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts. "

You're not asking a coherent question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love driving

I also love not being dead

Therefore I wear my seatbelt

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"what a ridiculous thread"

Feel free to avoid it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question. "

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"No. I'm tired of being told what to do "for my own good". I'm tired of enduring ads on the radio with the sickening sound of a head hitting the road. I wear my seat belt because I want to.

It's not only for your own good.

If you fly threw the windshield during an accident and hit a child with your body, that's not fair on them..."

That's a very good point,so it should be enforced.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2."

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"No. I'm tired of being told what to do "for my own good". I'm tired of enduring ads on the radio with the sickening sound of a head hitting the road. I wear my seat belt because I want to.

It's not only for your own good.

If you fly threw the windshield during an accident and hit a child with your body, that's not fair on them...

That's a very good point,so it should be enforced."

If that's the case you best ban all motorcyclists now!

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

Yeah, just think of the selfish bastards that cost the NHS millions of pounds in unnecessary surgery and bills

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ?

I believe the unsaid implication is that if you would wish to leave your seat belt off then you are doing the gene pool a favour by hastening your own removal from it"

I find this thought pretty callous!

We lose enough young people (particularly men and boys) to car accidents each year as it is!

Their brains operate differently - they think they're immortal - and they take stupid risks!

Tell them they don't 'have' to wear a seat belt and that death toll escalates hugely!

A callous post op!

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester

Interesting fact.....

Years ago, before the three point seatbelt with the snatch system existed, car manufacturers had simple loop 'lap belts' which were more dangerous and actually caused worse injury.

Volvo invented the seatbelt design of today, with the snatch stop system, and after lots of testing, tweaking and perfecting, proven to be comfortable, efficient, self adjusting to everyone and retains a person in sudden forward motion. They chose not to patent the design. They made it freely available for all car manufacturers to use to save lives, rather than trying to cash in.

Think that's pretty remarkable and Volvo should be applauded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

Should the scraping up of bodies off the road by the emergency services be mandatory?

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Interesting fact.....

Years ago, before the three point seatbelt with the snatch system existed, car manufacturers had simple loop 'lap belts' which were more dangerous and actually caused worse injury.

Volvo invented the seatbelt design of today, with the snatch stop system, and after lots of testing, tweaking and perfecting, proven to be comfortable, efficient, self adjusting to everyone and retains a person in sudden forward motion. They chose not to patent the design. They made it freely available for all car manufacturers to use to save lives, rather than trying to cash in.

Think that's pretty remarkable and Volvo should be applauded. "

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ?

I believe the unsaid implication is that if you would wish to leave your seat belt off then you are doing the gene pool a favour by hastening your own removal from it

I find this thought pretty callous!

We lose enough young people (particularly men and boys) to car accidents each year as it is!

Their brains operate differently - they think they're immortal - and they take stupid risks!

Tell them they don't 'have' to wear a seat belt and that death toll escalates hugely!

A callous post op! "

.... terrible.

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By *utterflyandArtificeCouple
over a year ago

Trowbridge

Of course it should be enforced.

If it only impacted on the individual then crack on.

But it impacts on so many more people who have to clean up the mess of your face when it will have been reduced to mush and trailed over the bonnet at you have been catapaulted from your seat to the bonnet via the screen. But it wont be you cleaning up the human detritus but a copper or a paramedic, because you will be in no fit state and probably bleeding out because of your decision to rebel and not wear a belt.

Similarly if you were in the back, you would be propelled forward and kill whoever was in the front seat, your momentum (mass x accelaration) changing the force you exert into that of a charging rhino.

But you crack on and exercise your freedom of choice, break the law, with no thought to anyone else.

Although Darwinism would suggest.....

Apologies to those who are breakfasting late

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative."

Do you channel Jonathon Swift?

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"No. I'm tired of being told what to do "for my own good". I'm tired of enduring ads on the radio with the sickening sound of a head hitting the road. I wear my seat belt because I want to.

It's not only for your own good.

If you fly threw the windshield during an accident and hit a child with your body, that's not fair on them...

That's a very good point,so it should be enforced.

If that's the case you best ban all motorcyclists now! "

I would if I had the power to,they're a bloody nuisance

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Is this like a natural selection thing OP?

Bingo!

So you to remove yourself from the gene pool ?

I believe the unsaid implication is that if you would wish to leave your seat belt off then you are doing the gene pool a favour by hastening your own removal from it

I find this thought pretty callous!

We lose enough young people (particularly men and boys) to car accidents each year as it is!

Their brains operate differently - they think they're immortal - and they take stupid risks!

Tell them they don't 'have' to wear a seat belt and that death toll escalates hugely!

A callous post op!

.... terrible."

Just bear in mind that those young lads are someone's sons - and the majority grow up to be good husbands, fathers etc! Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?""

I'm sure there's an argument by many, that it's their life and should be their choice?

Just to play devil's advocate; the cost of investigating a fatal accident fully, can be in the region of 1.5 million pounds.

So if the seat belt saved the individual (it doesn't always) then there's a stance from the public side that you're being selfish by not doing so?

Personally I'm not sure why you wouldn't? A simple fender bender with no belt on leaves you with a face like a duck billed platypus as opposed to a sore shoulder.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester


"

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative."

My combine 'arrvestor, don't ave seat belt, or air bags. Ohhh arrggghhh

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

"

Who are you asking?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Yes.

-Matt

I don't think it should be. Id also like to see new cars with a system whereas if you're not wearing your seatbelt the airbag system is inoperative.

Why not just cross the road without looking?

Why would you wish to compromise your safety and the safety of people in the car with you ?

Of course it's your choice. Bu are you going to refund the NHS the treatment costs for any injuries you have in a car accident just because you wanted a choice ?

I think if you're too stupid to want to wear a seatbelt you deserve all you get. "

I thought this was where this was going.

I have been in cars when the driver hasn't put his belt on (it's always a he); I don't know whether it's out of laziness or devil-may-care attitude towards their safety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

I'm sure there's an argument by many, that it's their life and should be their choice?

Just to play devil's advocate; the cost of investigating a fatal accident fully, can be in the region of 1.5 million pounds.

So if the seat belt saved the individual (it doesn't always) then there's a stance from the public side that you're being selfish by not doing so?

Personally I'm not sure why you wouldn't? A simple fender bender with no belt on leaves you with a face like a duck billed platypus as opposed to a sore shoulder."

Not their life if they are catapulted out of their seat into someone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll admit to skipping my seatbelt wearing regularly

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I'll admit to skipping my seatbelt wearing regularly "

If you received 3 points and a fine, would that make you stop your bad habit?

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester

I couldn't not wear a seatbelt.

It just doesn't feel right,

Having always worn a seatbelt, even as a child, in the back seats.... I'm just use to it.

I actually feel uncomfortable, missing something, if I don't put it on. Even if just sat in car, not moving.... if feels awkward without.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought it was compulsory to wear a seatbelt if the vehicle had them fitted

Yes. I'm talking about the enforcement of that law....."

Oops didn't read properly.

Well it's enforced by means of a fixed penalty notice.

Not sure how else it can be done?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking? "

You

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You "

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clem do you plan these threads in advance of Sunday publication ......?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll admit to skipping my seatbelt wearing regularly

If you received 3 points and a fine, would that make you stop your bad habit? "
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Yes it would

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Clem do you plan these threads in advance of Sunday publication ......? "

Nah, i was watching one of those cop shows on Dave, there was some scum bag arguing with the police about him not wearing a seatbelt and i was struck with the thought of "why are we trying to keep people like this prick alive?".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clem do you plan these threads in advance of Sunday publication ......?

Nah, i was watching one of those cop shows on Dave, there was some scum bag arguing with the police about him not wearing a seatbelt and i was struck with the thought of "why are we trying to keep people like this prick alive?". "

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I'll admit to skipping my seatbelt wearing regularly

If you received 3 points and a fine, would that make you stop your bad habit? .

Yes it would "

Such a liar!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Authoritarian countries always have less societal problems, we already know this.

Countries like Japan that jail people for illegal drug use have less people taking illegal drugs.

Its not rocket science.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"I thought it was compulsory to wear a seatbelt if the vehicle had them fitted

Yes. I'm talking about the enforcement of that law.....

Oops didn't read properly.

Well it's enforced by means of a fixed penalty notice.

Not sure how else it can be done?

"

There is proposed system that helps with clems darwinism idea. In place of an airbag, if the seatbelt is not worn, as spike deploys instead

Firm but fair, or too harsh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll admit to skipping my seatbelt wearing regularly

If you received 3 points and a fine, would that make you stop your bad habit? .

Yes it would

Such a liar! "
.

Well not completely obviously because I'd still be weighing up the risks.. Curiously I never skip seatbelts on a motorway which means I'm more likely to be caught and more likely to need it if I was in a accident

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By *abes in the woodWoman
over a year ago

wales

I agree should alway wear seat belt in car.as last year my 2 children were in car with dad both ended in hospital critical buy both had seat belt my one child was still worst of as passenger was 10 percent survival as she still had seat belt on .yes it still should be seat belt at all times .x

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I agree should alway wear seat belt in car.as last year my 2 children were in car with dad both ended in hospital critical buy both had seat belt my one child was still worst of as passenger was 10 percent survival as she still had seat belt on .yes it still should be seat belt at all times .x"

Agreed.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I thought it was compulsory to wear a seatbelt if the vehicle had them fitted

Yes. I'm talking about the enforcement of that law.....

Oops didn't read properly.

Well it's enforced by means of a fixed penalty notice.

Not sure how else it can be done?

There is proposed system that helps with clems darwinism idea. In place of an airbag, if the seatbelt is not worn, as spike deploys instead

Firm but fair, or too harsh?"

Diving standards would increase.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement? "

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"
Yes as seat belts save lifes

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

All new cars should all be fitted with devices so the engine cuts out if seatbelts aren't worn.

Most new ones now sound a tone when the seat recognises its occupied and seatbelt

is undone. This also should be made to cut the engine out.

Wearing of the seatbelt was made mandatory, in part,due to the enormous cost to the NHS to treat horrendous collision injuries suffered.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?""

Definitely not but you should have to have private medical insurance and lose the right to free hospital treatment and care if you're in a car accident and get worse injuries than if you've been wearing one

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Definitely not but you should have to have private medical insurance and lose the right to free hospital treatment and care if you're in a car accident and get worse injuries than if you've been wearing one"

I'm a great believer in letting people do what they want as long as they only harm or injure themselves and it doesn't impact in any way on others which includes hospital care

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"what a ridiculous thread"

Actually it is an intelligent question.

The statistics show that since wearing seatbelts the number of accidents involving pedestrians and cyclists has risen both for those killed and those seriously injured.

One theory is the seatbelt makes the driver feel they will not be hurt in an accident and are therefore less observant or careful than they would be if they had no seatbelt one.

It would be dangerous to put that down to seatbelt use alone but it could be a contributing factor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?"

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what a ridiculous thread

Actually it is an intelligent question.

The statistics show that since wearing seatbelts the number of accidents involving pedestrians and cyclists has risen both for those killed and those seriously injured.

One theory is the seatbelt makes the driver feel they will not be hurt in an accident and are therefore less observant or careful than they would be if they had no seatbelt one.

It would be dangerous to put that down to seatbelt use alone but it could be a contributing factor.

"

By that logic, and I think it's probably right, not wearing a seatbelt would only lower the accident rate for as long as it took people to get used to not wearing one.

But let's not forget the rear seat passenger killing the person in the front seat by not wearing a seatbelt.

Personally, I think we should get rid of seatbelts and airbags, and have a fuck off spike in the middle of the steering wheel instead.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester


"what a ridiculous thread

Actually it is an intelligent question.

The statistics show that since wearing seatbelts the number of accidents involving pedestrians and cyclists has risen both for those killed and those seriously injured.

One theory is the seatbelt makes the driver feel they will not be hurt in an accident and are therefore less observant or careful than they would be if they had no seatbelt one.

It would be dangerous to put that down to seatbelt use alone but it could be a contributing factor.

"

Since wearing seatbelts....

Population has increased massively

Lots more pedestrians any cyclists

Lots more car drivers.

We don't have tv adverts anymore, 'green cross code man', 'Charlie sais, always.....'

With so much health n safety, cotton wool bollocks, the younger generation seem oblivious to danger, lack of common sense or never been taught to cross a road!

Can't see how seabelt statistics can take into account, the all the necessary factors!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

I thought it was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

I thought it was. "

I think he's asking if it should be, not questioning if it is.

The question's wording seems to be designed to cause confusion.

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

I thought it was.

I think he's asking if it should be, not questioning if it is.

The question's wording seems to be designed to cause confusion. "

just the way the op likes it!

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

If anyone gets hurt or killed when not wearing a seat belt they should pay all the costs involved not let the tax payer collect the tab for their self indulgence. Oh dear I suppose that bright idea might apply to a lot of things.

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife


"If anyone gets hurt or killed when not wearing a seat belt they should pay all the costs involved not let the tax payer collect the tab for their self indulgence. Oh dear I suppose that bright idea might apply to a lot of things."

yes break your ankle whilst wobbling around in your heels, pick up your own tab?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

I thought it was.

I think he's asking if it should be, not questioning if it is.

The question's wording seems to be designed to cause confusion.

just the way the op likes it! "

Yeeesss

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got fined about 10 years ago for not having my seatbelt on. "

Im going to give you a fine for indecent exposure after seeing those pics so come here and pay it personally lol...

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"If anyone gets hurt or killed when not wearing a seat belt they should pay all the costs involved not let the tax payer collect the tab for their self indulgence. Oh dear I suppose that bright idea might apply to a lot of things."

Yep. We've been manoeuvred in to finding certain things unacceptable and accepting other stuff. It's frowned on for instance to smoke while pregnant but not to wheel your new born at exhaust level along a busy road.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

Does anyone know what the rules are on not wearing a seatbelt if it doesn't fit?

In my own car do wear a seat belt but in order to do so i have to have the seat further back than is ideal and i can't change gear properly.

More importantly the seat belt lies across my neck not my chest, so if i was in a crash it would decapitate me.

In other people's cars I often have to wear the belt as a lap belt as it just won't go round me in the usual fashion.

Just curious.

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife


"Does anyone know what the rules are on not wearing a seatbelt if it doesn't fit?

In my own car do wear a seat belt but in order to do so i have to have the seat further back than is ideal and i can't change gear properly.

More importantly the seat belt lies across my neck not my chest, so if i was in a crash it would decapitate me.

In other people's cars I often have to wear the belt as a lap belt as it just won't go round me in the usual fashion.

Just curious."

you can get a pregnancy one online for bigger boobs

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed. "

But i never said i did...

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP? "

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Does anyone know what the rules are on not wearing a seatbelt if it doesn't fit?

In my own car do wear a seat belt but in order to do so i have to have the seat further back than is ideal and i can't change gear properly.

More importantly the seat belt lies across my neck not my chest, so if i was in a crash it would decapitate me.

In other people's cars I often have to wear the belt as a lap belt as it just won't go round me in the usual fashion.

Just curious."

There's no reason why you shouldn't use a booster seat with a seatbelt extension.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"what a ridiculous thread

Actually it is an intelligent question.

The statistics show that since wearing seatbelts the number of accidents involving pedestrians and cyclists has risen both for those killed and those seriously injured.

One theory is the seatbelt makes the driver feel they will not be hurt in an accident and are therefore less observant or careful than they would be if they had no seatbelt one.

It would be dangerous to put that down to seatbelt use alone but it could be a contributing factor.

"

Could it also be due to larger numbers of vehicles and cyclists on the roads?

Both taking greater risks, speeding and then we come to the cyclists who, looking like they've just come off the Tour De France ride two or three abreast on busy roads. . . . suicide.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"what a ridiculous thread

Actually it is an intelligent question.

The statistics show that since wearing seatbelts the number of accidents involving pedestrians and cyclists has risen both for those killed and those seriously injured.

One theory is the seatbelt makes the driver feel they will not be hurt in an accident and are therefore less observant or careful than they would be if they had no seatbelt one.

It would be dangerous to put that down to seatbelt use alone but it could be a contributing factor.

Could it also be due to larger numbers of vehicles and cyclists on the roads?

Both taking greater risks, speeding and then we come to the cyclists who, looking like they've just come off the Tour De France ride two or three abreast on busy roads. . . . suicide."

Two abreast is recommended for busy roads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you ever seen the mess left behind when someone has crashed and they havnt been wearing their seatbelt clem?

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't post on here op as they ain't for the faint hearted but search for every 15 minutes on you tube.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you ever seen the mess left behind when someone has crashed and they havnt been wearing their seatbelt clem?

PTU xxx "

I think he's hinting that why should we enforce it if people just don't bother? Not the fact of should it be law or if it is now.

Get a sideways shunt and the seat belt won't do much. High speed impacts throw people in all sorts of horrendous positions, but some restraint is better than none I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

Yes, you should try shovelling up the body parts of those that don't wear them and end up getting flung out of the windows, not pretty. People should be shown graphic images of those that don't wear them and have suffered the consequences, they'd soon change their minds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

Yes, you should try shovelling up the body parts of those that don't wear them and end up getting flung out of the windows, not pretty. People should be shown graphic images of those that don't wear them and have suffered the consequences, they'd soon change their minds. "

Nah, people have been shooting and bombing the crap out of eachother for thousands of years with plenty of graphic footage around. Hasn't stopped anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

Yes, you should try shovelling up the body parts of those that don't wear them and end up getting flung out of the windows, not pretty. People should be shown graphic images of those that don't wear them and have suffered the consequences, they'd soon change their minds.

Nah, people have been shooting and bombing the crap out of eachother for thousands of years with plenty of graphic footage around. Hasn't stopped anyone."

I seem to have made a few people rethink wearing one

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By *ero666Man
over a year ago

fife

I usually ask nicely if she wants restrained in them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

Yes, you should try shovelling up the body parts of those that don't wear them and end up getting flung out of the windows, not pretty. People should be shown graphic images of those that don't wear them and have suffered the consequences, they'd soon change their minds.

Nah, people have been shooting and bombing the crap out of eachother for thousands of years with plenty of graphic footage around. Hasn't stopped anyone."

it does work

I work in engineering and ever since I saw videos and images of what can machines do to a person, I am much more careful

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Have you ever mentioned to another motorist that they have forgotten to put their seatbelt on, and received a cheery wave and a "thankyou!" ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" Have you ever mentioned to another motorist that they have forgotten to put their seatbelt on, and received a cheery wave and a "thankyou!" ? "

Yes.

I get annoyed with the ones who start off and put the seatbelt on whilst manoeuvring the vehicle.

I wondered if you were just in musing on the loo mode?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

No. They should use police resources for more important things than babysitting idiots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

No. They should use police resources for more important things than babysitting idiots. "

I think it's fair to say that most police work is babysitting idiots ?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Much like drink driving, speeding, using a mobile, driving wwithout insurance etc, etc, it can only ever be enforced if you are caught. And the liklihood of being caught is probably somewhat slim"

Not anymore, speed cameras also can send you a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. ANPR cameras I have been told can scan for taxed & insured vehicles.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


" Have you ever mentioned to another motorist that they have forgotten to put their seatbelt on, and received a cheery wave and a "thankyou!" ?

Yes.

I get annoyed with the ones who start off and put the seatbelt on whilst manoeuvring the vehicle.

I wondered if you were just in musing on the loo mode?

"

Pretty much, inbetween a spot of gardening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did..."

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across. "

It's ok that you're wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe. "

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Much like drink driving, speeding, using a mobile, driving wwithout insurance etc, etc, it can only ever be enforced if you are caught. And the liklihood of being caught is probably somewhat slim

Not anymore, speed cameras also can send you a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. ANPR cameras I have been told can scan for taxed & insured vehicles."

Anpr cameras do a hell of a lot more than that, they are one of the most useful intelligence tools the police have and they get better all the time. For instance, they can tell the difference between a true car and one on cloned plates due to subtle differences on the reg plates, position of screws etc. The police once don't flag up untaxed cars but the dvla have their own vehicle mounted anpr for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life. "

Explain your thought process then, to question why the op lived in Afghanistan.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life. "

I refer you to my previous answer x.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life.

Explain your thought process then, to question why the op lived in Afghanistan."

He was being "un-confrontational"......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing that should be enforced is minors -16 to wear them, but enforced on the driver and NOT the minor.

As for the driver, well see, he/she should fucking know the ramifications of not wearing one, so no I don't think it should be enforced on the driver, it's their choice.

But to be quite honest if he/she doesn't know the ramifications of not wearing one then he/she shouldn't be driving in the first place.

$0.02

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"The only thing that should be enforced is minors -16 to wear them, but enforced on the driver and NOT the minor.

As for the driver, well see, he/she should fucking know the ramifications of not wearing one, so no I don't think it should be enforced on the driver, it's their choice.

But to be quite honest if he/she doesn't know the ramifications of not wearing one then he/she shouldn't be driving in the first place.

$0.02"

Perfect answer.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"The only thing that should be enforced is minors -16 to wear them, but enforced on the driver and NOT the minor.

As for the driver, well see, he/she should fucking know the ramifications of not wearing one, so no I don't think it should be enforced on the driver, it's their choice.

But to be quite honest if he/she doesn't know the ramifications of not wearing one then he/she shouldn't be driving in the first place.

$0.02"

But why should the consequences of that bad choice be forced on other people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only thing that should be enforced is minors -16 to wear them, but enforced on the driver and NOT the minor.

As for the driver, well see, he/she should fucking know the ramifications of not wearing one, so no I don't think it should be enforced on the driver, it's their choice.

But to be quite honest if he/she doesn't know the ramifications of not wearing one then he/she shouldn't be driving in the first place.

$0.02

But why should the consequences of that bad choice be forced on other people? "

How is it "forced" on other people?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair I've often confused Wiltshire wth Afghanistan!.

Only the other day I was out setting up IEDs out on the plains. By the time I'd realised my faux Pas it was too late

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life.

Explain your thought process then, to question why the op lived in Afghanistan."

This :


"

"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question. "

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be fair I've often confused Wiltshire wth Afghanistan!.

Only the other day I was out setting up IEDs out on the plains. By the time I'd realised my faux Pas it was too late "

You are probably right but that's not why Afghans were mentioned.. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be fair I've often confused Wiltshire wth Afghanistan!.

Only the other day I was out setting up IEDs out on the plains. By the time I'd realised my faux Pas it was too late

You are probably right but that's not why Afghans were mentioned.. Lol"
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With any look I'll get him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If taxi drivers don't have to wear them then we shouldn't have to!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If taxi drivers don't have to wear them then we shouldn't have to!!!"

They do have to wear them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they don't if they have a passenger behind them. Ask 1 next time your in 1

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life.

Explain your thought process then, to question why the op lived in Afghanistan.

This :

"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question. "

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

"

I still struggle to understand how you confuse me asking a question, to stating a fact. I didn't state "the wearing of seatbelts isn't compulsory". I asked "should it be enforced?". Do you see the difference?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question.

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

Do you know the difference between "should it be law" and "should it be enforced"?

Why can't you understand simple English?

It is both the Law and it is enforced.

Do you live in Afghanistan OP?

It would seem that you like to "imagine" words into whatever it is you think you read. I can't help you I'm afraid. I never at any point asked if it was "the law" to wear a seatbelt, simply "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced". A simple difference that you have failed to observe.

So simple that you can't even ask the question properly or reply politely when faced with your obvious lack of coherent line of thought.

As someone who's worked in the legal justice system I surely know about law, enforcement and many other concepts that seem alien to you.

Carry on your confrontational tone in this thread. Hopefully you'll learn something about life.

Explain your thought process then, to question why the op lived in Afghanistan.

This :

"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

You're not asking a coherent question. "

You have incoherent understanding. Ask at the local primary school. I'm sure most pupils will be able to explain it to you. It's as simple as 2+2.

"

Ah. You've missed the point of the OP. Fair enough.

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across. "

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're caught without one you should be forced to install an ejector seat.

With or without a sunroof.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?"

Not on dining room chairs, no.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already "

It's amazing the flak I get when people don't actually read what I write. And then i get called argumentative for defending that fact. Stunning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already

It's amazing the flak I get when people don't actually read what I write. And then i get called argumentative for defending that fact. Stunning. "

Yes I've noticed that.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already

It's amazing the flak I get when people don't actually read what I write. And then i get called argumentative for defending that fact. Stunning.

Yes I've noticed that. "

You two sat on the settee next to each other?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is enforced !!

But I know I'm guilty of not enforcing it :-/

My kids get told " SEATBELT" when in the car but adults in the backseat I don't

insist as I just assume they are belting up :-/

I've just highlighted poor judgement to myself :-/

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already

It's amazing the flak I get when people don't actually read what I write. And then i get called argumentative for defending that fact. Stunning. "

Well you'll get a fab award for most argumentative formite then

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

•+• Access Denied •+•

yes, it should.

i don't care if you wanna chuck yourself through your car window, but if your body lands on me on the way outta your windows i will be pissed off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced?

No. They should use police resources for more important things than babysitting idiots.

I think it's fair to say that most police work is babysitting idiots ? "

True

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By *ikerdaveMan
over a year ago

redcar


"No. I'm tired of being told what to do "for my own good". I'm tired of enduring ads on the radio with the sickening sound of a head hitting the road. I wear my seat belt because I want to.

It's not only for your own good.

If you fly threw the windshield during an accident and hit a child with your body, that's not fair on them...

That's a very good point,so it should be enforced.

If that's the case you best ban all motorcyclists now! "
leave us motorcyclists out of it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already "
.

Who could forget dear old Joey...I still cry when I see a porter loo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already

It's amazing the flak I get when people don't actually read what I write. And then i get called argumentative for defending that fact. Stunning.

Well you'll get a fab award for most argumentative formite then "

You are easily amazed OP. And stunned at that. Without a taser.

Doesn't it occur to you why you got different kinds of answers?

I think school education should be "enforced". Not only for under 16...

So that people don't construct sentences like " Sould we enforce driving on the left hand side of the road?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There us a lot to be said about not wasting police time enforcing seat belt use.

There is also I feel a lot to be said about the use of mobile phones being specifically targeted for prosecution.

Both are covered under driving without due care, so why do they need special laws?

As for all the silly comments on cost to the NHS, have you never considered the cost of sporting injuries? Or how about the cost of no exercise injuries?

The OP asked a simple enough question, really don't understand how so many got the wrong end of the stick over it.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"How would you like to see it enforced further than it is now?

Who are you asking?

You

Why do you think i want further enforcement?

God Fucking knows.... Maybe you just want an argument. Certainly seems that way reading through the thread. Carry on sunshine, I can't be arsed.

But i never said i did...

You are the most argumentative OP I've ever come across.

Aww you've forgotten Diamond Joe already

It's amazing the flak I get when people don't actually read what I write. And then i get called argumentative for defending that fact. Stunning.

Well you'll get a fab award for most argumentative formite then

You are easily amazed OP. And stunned at that. Without a taser.

Doesn't it occur to you why you got different kinds of answers?

I think school education should be "enforced". Not only for under 16...

So that people don't construct sentences like " Sould we enforce driving on the left hand side of the road?" "

It doesn't really amaze me. You're not the only person who didn't understand. Stop being so confrontational.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It doesn't really amaze me. You're not the only person who didn't understand. Stop being so confrontational. "

Precisely. More precision required when commencing a discussion.

I'm not confrontational. I was simply mirroring your attitude.

You smile and I smile

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"You are easily amazed OP. And stunned at that. Without a taser.

Doesn't it occur to you why you got different kinds of answers?

I think school education should be "enforced". Not only for under 16...

So that people don't construct sentences like " Sould we enforce driving on the left hand side of the road?" "

I recommend you never debate with a philosopher. The OPs question is text book layout to provide maximum philosophical debate. Unfortunately a lot of people on here conflated 'should we?' with 'do we?' and got cross when the OP, very reasonably I thought, asked them to consider the question again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are easily amazed OP. And stunned at that. Without a taser.

Doesn't it occur to you why you got different kinds of answers?

I think school education should be "enforced". Not only for under 16...

So that people don't construct sentences like " Sould we enforce driving on the left hand side of the road?"

I recommend you never debate with a philosopher. The OPs question is text book layout to provide maximum philosophical debate. Unfortunately a lot of people on here conflated 'should we?' with 'do we?' and got cross when the OP, very reasonably I thought, asked them to consider the question again."

Very insightful, love it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are easily amazed OP. And stunned at that. Without a taser.

Doesn't it occur to you why you got different kinds of answers?

I think school education should be "enforced". Not only for under 16...

So that people don't construct sentences like " Sould we enforce driving on the left hand side of the road?"

I recommend you never debate with a philosopher. The OPs question is text book layout to provide maximum philosophical debate. Unfortunately a lot of people on here conflated 'should we?' with 'do we?' and got cross when the OP, very reasonably I thought, asked them to consider the question again."

I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior. "

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?"

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

Back to your question. It's quite diferent to what I said and you quoted me. And it isn't a philosophical difference.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

Back to your question. It's quite diferent to what I said and you quoted me. And it isn't a philosophical difference. "

How was my question "wrong"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

Back to your question. It's quite diferent to what I said and you quoted me. And it isn't a philosophical difference.

How was my question "wrong"?"

Not sure it was? could have been misinterpreted but it's not wrong?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

How can you post a wrong question?

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

Back to your question. It's quite diferent to what I said and you quoted me. And it isn't a philosophical difference.

How was my question "wrong"?"

No questions are 'wrong'.. You may not get the answer you were looking for or expected.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

Back to your question. It's quite diferent to what I said and you quoted me. And it isn't a philosophical difference.

How was my question "wrong"?

No questions are 'wrong'.. You may not get the answer you were looking for or expected. "

Oh, you know i did.

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

Back to your question. It's quite diferent to what I said and you quoted me. And it isn't a philosophical difference.

How was my question "wrong"?

No questions are 'wrong'.. You may not get the answer you were looking for or expected.

Oh, you know i did."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm no f**king philosopher. I'm a practitioner. From a legal point of view, you can only enforce certain acts or ommissions when there's a law in place to prescribe that behavior.

A law being in place is not the same as a law being enforced, when was the last person hanged for putting a stamp on upside down?

That's where OP got it all wrong with his question. Open for interpretations of all sorts.

"

You are talking bollocks and have done the entire thread.

He didn't get it "wrong". You did. Because you didn't UNDERSTAND the question being asked.

You have, did, and still are misunderstanding the point. Entirely.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ha ha brilliant! I've never known anyone to accuse an OP of asking the wrong question before

I'm going to remember that one for next time I've got the wrong end of the stick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear mine most of the time but I do a lot of short journeys and a lot of stop- start trips where I'm in and out of the car/van I agree with it being enforced and would take the punishment like a man if I get caught. Same way I don't bitch about traffic cops pulling people for speeding despite now having 3 points on my license for speeding. I knew the law and I got caught. Tough shit.

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By *atindollTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

20 years driving a cab and rarely wear it...in fact last time I used the motorway I had to search around for the thing it had been that long since I wore it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ha ha brilliant! I've never known anyone to accuse an OP of asking the wrong question before

I'm going to remember that one for next time I've got the wrong end of the stick "

A bunch of you with heads in bums still.

Several people asked OP for clarifications. People with broader knowledge and understanding, hence seeing a lot more in this ambiguously worded question than the average Joe Public will ever fathom.

OP's condescending short answers became irritating.

No one ever said he asked the " wrong" question. LMAOL!

Who cares anyway? A few posts left on this thread, fill it up with the same cr*p if you wish.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ha ha brilliant! I've never known anyone to accuse an OP of asking the wrong question before

I'm going to remember that one for next time I've got the wrong end of the stick

A bunch of you with heads in bums still.

Several people asked OP for clarifications. People with broader knowledge and understanding, hence seeing a lot more in this ambiguously worded question than the average Joe Public will ever fathom.

OP's condescending short answers became irritating.

No one ever said he asked the " wrong" question. LMAOL!

Who cares anyway? A few posts left on this thread, fill it up with the same cr*p if you wish.

"

Its *OK* to admit you're wrong. The damage is done.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond... "

I didn't think this deserved more than a "No" to be honest with you.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts. "

It was at this point it was you demonstrated that you hadn't understood the difference between something being "a law" and a law being "enforced".

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"Ill alter my post then to "should the wearing of seatbelts be enforced for adults?"

Are you talking about another country?

It's been the law and being enforced in the whole of EU, North America and beyond...

No.

I can't take "No" for an answer when you express a short opinion on undisputed facts.

It was at this point it was you demonstrated that you hadn't understood the difference between something being "a law" and a law being "enforced". "

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over a year ago

Nice arse Clem

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Thanks! I've been working out

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